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Car Forum / Toyota / Prius / March 2005Reliability, maintenance
Compared with typical new cars, what have you '05 Prius owners experienced with reliability/maintenance problems? What kind of maintenance work is done only by a dealer, and what kind are all repair shops able to do? Thanks. My '05 is covered for '05 so I probably won't opt for 3rd party maintenance anytime soon. Worked great out of the box. > Compared with typical new cars, what have you '05 Prius owners experienced > with reliability/maintenance problems? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks. > Compared with typical new cars, what have you '05 Prius owners experienced > with reliability/maintenance problems? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks. You are not likely to get a lot of responses to this. The Prius have been pretty reliable as delivered. The '05 is the same as the '04 (I've been told) so there shoudl not be any "first year bugs" to worry about. Most cars have specialized tools now. For instance, the process for checking the idle speed on my Ford requires a special fitting and a bottle of propane. The gas engine and running gear of the Prius are like any other new car; Without the books you shouldn't mess with it. The rest of it should not need any normal service, so it doesn't matter whether the it shoud be done by the dealer or not. Daniel > What kind of maintenance work is done only by a dealer, and what kind are > all repair shops able to do? The vast majority of regularly scheduled maintenances could be a DIY job, or done by any competent mechanic. (mainly oil/filter change and tire rotation every 5,000 miles/6 months in the US) Read the scheduled maintenance guide here: http://smg.toyotapartsandservice.com/index.php?vehicle=Prius&year=2005 Note that in the US the Prius comes with 3 years/36,000 miles of Toyota Roadside Assistance free with the car, too. I can't speak of 05's but the only thing I would have an outside vendor do to my Prius is wash, dry and wax or rotate and balance the tires. KK > Compared with typical new cars, what have you '05 Prius owners experienced > with reliability/maintenance problems? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks. > "Jay" wrote > Compared with typical new cars, what have you '05 Prius owners experienced > with reliability/maintenance problems? Considering I just spent some "quality time" on a tow truck (bum starter, but not a Prius) I asked the driver how many electric or hybrids he's towed (he's with AAA of So. Calif and gets an eyeful). He's said none so far which is good news. However, he did say he would be less than willing to tow a hybrid with a breached battery. There is a lot going on about who will clean up the mess in case of an accident and he doesn't want to wreck the bed of his truck should a leaky one be in need of a tow. This will be interesting. He mentioned a possibly callout of a fire department's HazMat team, but all this is still in the speculative mode until he gets involved in one...and the pricey disposal fee which I'm sure will occur in California. C'mon. Someone go smash one up so we can find out what really is going to happen! ;o) I'm still waiting to see the "fine print" on the 10 year California battery warranty to see if it is pro-rated (steeply) somehow or if it is an, indeed, "free battery for 10 years." I can't get a battery to last more than 2 years so I'm skeptical (my laptop batteries only last 1-2 years for me and I think they are the same cell material). If it takes a charge and the operating interval is short, it may not be a warranty issue but merely a "You can't go very far" issue unless you replace it for $3500-$4500. Maybe it excludes normal wear and tear? Dunno, but I'm skeptical on a "free" 10 year battery switchout from anyone. Maybe 1 year, but 10?! Someone please post the actual Toyota battery warranty wording. B~ >> "Jay" wrote >> Compared with typical new cars, what have you '05 Prius owners [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > B~ "Hybrid Vehicle System Warranty This warranty covers repairs needed to correct defects in material or workmanship of the components listed here and supplied by Toyota, subject to the exceptions indicate under "What is not covered" on pages 11-12: Battery control module Hybrid control module Hybrid vehicle battery Inverter with converter Coverage is for 96 months or 100,000 miles, whichever occurs first." Then, from page 11: What is not covered ...damage or failures resulting directly or indirectly from any of the following: fire, accidents, theft, abuse, negligence, misuse (example racing or overloading), improper repairs, alteration, tampering, use of non-genuine Toyota Accessories, lack of maintenance, improper maintenance, airborne chemicals, tree sap, road debris (including stone chips), rail dust, salt, hail, floods, wind storms, lightning & other environmental condition, water contamination. altered odometer, total loss vehicles.... pretty much what an honest person would expect would be excluded. It's repair or replacement at no cost. There is no prorated BS.  SignaturePeace, BobJ >>> "Jay" wrote >>> Compared with typical new cars, what have you '05 Prius owners [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > water contamination. altered odometer, total loss vehicles.... pretty much > what an honest person would expect would be excluded. > "Bill" wrote: > "Hybrid Vehicle System Warranty [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Coverage is for 96 months or 100,000 miles, whichever occurs first." That is interesting and thanks for the info. Looks like 8 years instead of the 10 years I've read about. Still, having come from a Ford product where their warranty was (even in their owner's manual) "Pay for the first repair and any subsequent repair on the same item is warranted for life by Ford" ended up being nothing but a false promise which they secretly did away with a few years into ownership. Never a letter, nadda. Just disappeared until I took the car back for same repairs (water pumps, alternators, radiators, etc). I still cannot fathom a free battery for 8 years! Sounds too good to be true (call me suspicious of advertising claims). I have noticed that in the Central Valley of Calif. I don't see too many Prius's on the road (maybe 1 in the past year) compared to the LA valley region where I'll see 3-4 a day. I wonder if they are limiting sales to areas where the battery will be less suspect to fail due to heat? Maybe too many rednecks in the Valley with their F-150 trucks. B~ > I still cannot fathom a free battery for 8 years! Sounds too good to be > true (call me suspicious of advertising claims). I have noticed that in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > B~ There are actually two batteries in the Prius. The one we have been talking about is the "traction" battery, but there is a smaller (downright undersized) auxiliary 12 volt battery. The aux battery doesn't do much more than boot the computer system when you turn the car on, but it has demonstrated just the sort of problem you have experienced. It is a little better because it isn't mounted under the hood, but is out of the engine heat. (I used to live in the Phoenix area, and I never got a battery to last through more than 2 summers in our cars with batteries under the hood. Two of them exploded when I hit the starter.) The small size and "sealed lead-acid" design conspire to make it last only a few years. Why it costs $200 US is anybody's guess. The traction battery is something different altogether. It is a nickle-metal hydride battery that is carefully managed by the hybrid computer and encased in a metal housing, with fan cooling controlled by the hybrid computer. They have proven extremely reliable and can be reasonably expected to last the life of the car. 8 years is only what Toyota is willing to bet their money on against the increased salability the warranty brings. It is like the 3 year warranty they offer on the car overall... there is no reason to expect the battery to only last 8, 10 or 20 years; they just bet there will be negligible failure rate in the first 8 years. Our lead-acid communications batteries (the flooded cells) in our microwave sites at work typically last 25 years, in an environment similar to the one the traction battery lives in. The NiMH traction battery should be in the same range. Mike > There are actually two batteries in the Prius. The one we have been talking > about is the "traction" battery, but there is a smaller (downright [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > lead-acid" design conspire to make it last only a few years. Why it costs > $200 US is anybody's guess. Isn't it a glass mat design? > > "Bill" wrote: > > "Hybrid Vehicle System Warranty [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I took the car back for same repairs (water pumps, alternators, radiators, > etc). Sounds like you shoulda sued them. The warranty is a contract. Was something done to the car to invalidate the warranty? > I still cannot fathom a free battery for 8 years! Sounds too good to be > true (call me suspicious of advertising claims). The warranty is a contract. If mine fails within the warranty period and Toyota does not perform I will sue them. > "richard schumacher" wrote: > Sounds like you shoulda sued them. The warranty is a contract. Was > something done to the car to invalidate the warranty? No. Nothing done to the car to invalidate it. It was just a Ford secret until something went wrong (again) and they ran. Remember their under the hood computer that failed in heat? They ran from that. Probaby because they could and would you really hire a $500 lawyer for a $300 part? The Prius battery may be another matter though.... >> I still cannot fathom a free battery for 8 years! Sounds too good to be >> true (call me suspicious of advertising claims). > > The warranty is a contract. If mine fails within the warranty period > and Toyota does not perform I will sue them. Wouldn't surprise me if they found a way out and blame it on the owner somehow (lack of maintenance or something). Seems to be harder and harder to get a warranty covered these days since dealers aren't pleased with the low reimbursements provided by manufacturer's rather than what they can get out of the individual owner. I'm sure a lot will hinge on the dealer's attitude at that time and the story they tell Toyota or visa-versa. I had a normal car battery fail once and the out was "It still takes a charge." "Well, yeah, it does, but for how long?" - it's not anything like new. My Ni-Hi hydride batteries in my laptops usually fail by not working as long as when new (one runs for 5 minutes on battery now verses 1 1/4 hours when new...but it still takes a charge). Will this be Toyota's scheme? It runs for 6 blocks and then it's dead. "But, it still takes a charge!" Dealer: "If you want it to run further, we got this Super-Turbo Enhancement battery over here will let go for $4500." Dunno. Guess I better lose weight so I can get into one and find out the answers for myself. <lol> B~ > I had a normal car battery fail once and the out was "It still takes a > charge." "Well, yeah, it does, but for how long?" - it's not anything [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > B~ I think the primary mistake too many people make is focusing on the battery, although it seems to be remarkably reliable. Believe me, if there were a problem we would know it by now. We knew it about the aux battery years ago. There are at least half a dozen parts in any car that will set you back as much as the Prius battery even if you were to buy one new. If your present car has an automatic transmission, have you priced a replacement and checked the the life expectancy, and how long was the warranty? (The Prius has no transmission per se.) If the timing belt fails, (the Prius doesn't have one) how much is the repair if it involves "just" a new cylinder head, or if it is cheaper to replace the engine? The air bags should be replaced every ten years according to most car owner's manuals, although some now say 15 years... at about $1000 apiece. How much for an ABS pump? Or shock absorbers (Volvo wants $500 apiece for the rear shocks on my '85 760 wagon, plus installation!). If your car has a turbo, have you priced one of *those* babies recently? (My Volvo's is $2500 plus labor, about $3200 US total) Or the ECU found in every car sold in America in two decades? How many of the parts in that list does your present car have, and how many are warrantied for 8 years / 100K miles standard? The fact is a replacement main battery is available from wrecking yards (and the hybrid system includes built-in diagnostics to test it) for about the same price as a new bumper or windshield from Toyota. But the batteries are a *lot* more reliable than windshields or bumpers. You don't worry about how long your car tires will last because your bike tires only last 1000 miles, do you? Become informed: the Prius battery isn't your old lead-acid, either. It's all a matter of perspective. I don't want you to stop obsessing about the Prius battery and start obsessing about the car you have now (although you would be more justified). Just don't worry about either (unless your car has some serious known problems), because we were not born to live in fear. Don't let the irrational fearmongers distract you from the facts. Or you could just buy a Prius and improve your chances. (BTW... you do know the Prius is a mid-sized car, don't you? If you can get yourself out of a chair I doubt you need to lose weight to fit.) Mike [ groundless speculation about being scewed by a car dealer he doesn;t go to for a car he doesn't own deleted ] > Dunno. Guess I better lose weight so I can get into one and find out the > answers for myself. <lol> Had to laugh at that. I guess bent peg is saying that he's somewhat over 500 pounds. That's the only way that he would be too fat to fit. Seriously, for every one else's benefit, this guy's a troll. He's done a fairly good job of making wild, baseless suppositions about the car. Please don't take any of his 'comments' as based on fact. Look up the facts yourself. I like my Prius. I'd buy a second one if I had a need. I highly recommend it to anyone looking for a new car. Very low maintenance, very economical and the resale price has held up super well compared to other, similarly sized cars. Daniel > Had to laugh at that. I guess bent peg is saying that he's somewhat > over 500 pounds. That's the only way that he would be too fat to fit. Not quite 500 lbs., but enough where I hate to getting into a low-to-the ground vehicle and then climbing up and out of one. Truck and SUV heights are better suited for me. I know GMC and Toyota are supposedly coming out with a hybrid (truck/SUV) as well and a more reasonable height for tall fat people. > Seriously, for every one else's benefit, this guy's a troll. He's done > a fairly good job of making wild, baseless suppositions about the car. Dunno 'bout that. If one doesn't ask questions, then one is pretty much left with what one gets, no? There's no base on what to gauge the car's longevity now. > Please don't take any of his 'comments' as based on fact. Look up the > facts yourself. Here's a fact for you Daniel: I know my regular car batteries last maybe 2 years. When one crapped, it was between 1st and 2nd gear in the middle of an intresection. RPM dropped, no field for alternator with a load of car accessories, and it died right there and right now. Wouldn't surprise me if any electric car acted the same. Oh, same longevity goes for the laptop batteries which are supposedly the same material as the hybrid's battery. Call me skeptical or a troll. Suit yourself. I'd expect anything else on the car to last longer, price excluded, but a car with a battery expectancy of 8 to 10 years is beyond the realm of reality from my own experiences. And no one knows what to expect when the hybrid's battery begins a shorter charge capacity from chemical depletion or aged internal resistance, do they? > I like my Prius. I'd buy a second one if I had a need. I highly > recommend it to anyone looking for a new car. Very low maintenance, > very economical and the resale price has held up super well compared to > other, similarly sized cars. I' agree on that -- so far, but at 10 years who's going to invest that much money in any car much less for a battery? It won't be worth enough to sell for $3500 (my current car at 10 years is worth $500 or so I'm told at the Toyota and Dodge dealerships). I doubt if the Prius in 10 years will be worth the money for a new battery alone. That is much more of a fact. B~ >> Had to laugh at that. I guess bent peg is saying that he's somewhat >> over 500 pounds. That's the only way that he would be too fat to fit. > > Not quite 500 lbs., but enough where I hate to getting into a low-to-the > ground vehicle and then climbing up and out of one. Truck and SUV heights > are better suited for me. The Prius seat is higher from the ground than most cars, inlcuding the 1993 Camry, any Mustang and 1995 Cadellac seville. It does sound like a truck is more appropriate in bent_peg's case. > There's no base on what to gauge the car's longevity now. If you look around you'll find that people have reported driving them for 200,000 miles. If you look into the technology, you'll find they are not constructed or treated like cell phone batteries. > Here's a fact for you Daniel: > I know my regular car batteries last maybe 2 years. When one crapped, it > was between 1st and 2nd gear in the middle of an intresection. RPM dropped, > no field for alternator with a load of car accessories, and it died right > there and right now. Wouldn't surprise me if any electric car acted the > same. No, I don't think it would suprise you at all. What will suprise you is that it will still be running strong many years after you bought it. Of course, there's less suprise if one reads any of the threads or articles that explain the difference between lead acid cells and the ones used by the Prius. > Oh, same longevity goes for the laptop batteries which are supposedly the > same material as the hybrid's battery. Call me skeptical or a troll. OK, You are a skeptic and a troll. >> the resale price has held up super well compared to >> other, similarly sized cars. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Toyota and Dodge dealerships). I doubt if the Prius in 10 years will be > worth the money for a new battery alone. That is much more of a fact. The only fact in that paragraph is the phrase "I doubt if". The rest is supposition. Funny, my wrecked RX7 was bought and rebuilt. My wife's 10 year old chevy had it's tranny replaced twice. I don't see why a 10 year old Prius would not have a rebuilt or used battery pack installed for a thousand bucks. Yup, You are a skeptic and a troll. Yep, I am a skeptic. ....and you are a shill. B~ > [ groundless speculation about being scewed by a car dealer he doesn;t > go to for a car he doesn't own deleted ] [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Daniel I'd call BP a soft-core troll, more valuable than annoying. (Lots of people would call me annoying, too!) The questions are appropriate, even if they seem to lean toward the FUD side. Worries about new technology are part of the landscape of our rocket-ride techno age. On the subject of computer (and cell phone) NiMH batteries, the difference is one of design criteria. The number one criterion for portable electronics rechargable batteries is energy density for the volume. The number two criterion is rapid charge rate. The number three criterion is short, meteoric life (no kidding!) Computer and cell phone batteries are modestly priced, rugby-playing devices that live to die. The consumer is drawn by the qualities of energy capacity (how long will the battery power my device?) and rapid recharge (how long do I have to wait?) Price is not as important as either of those as long as the target consumer isn't completely outraged and the interval between replacement isn't so short that the consumer vows never to buy one of *those* again. Within those constraints, the higher the price and the shorter the life expectancy the more profitable the battery is to manufacture. For those reasons, the internal structure of a portable device battery is very different from that of a hybrid system battery. The plates are thinner and shaped for maximum surface area, with separators made of thin, inexpensive materials. The battery temperature rises sharply during charging and the materials are redeposited roughly, ensuring short life. The batteries are expected to be drained flat at least occasionally and may be overcharged or overheated or charged too fast... more profitable that way. A friend of mine used to work in a torpedo factory, and he was telling me about the steam (peroxide and ethanol) turbines that powered the torpedoes. They were about the size of an oatmeal box and had no lubrication system at all, but produced over 500 hp! I was amazed; how did the turbine survive? He replied they only had to run for a few minutes. Design criteria! More to the topic, the wet cells that power our communication sites appear to be identical in construction to the batteries we replace every couple years in our cars, except for the clear cases. But they last more than 20 years because they are made to - and they aren't made to crank an engine. Most of them reach the end of their life when the positive post grows out of the case - they still hold a charge pretty much as well as they did when Jimmy Carter was president (our battery guy load tests them twice a year). Mike They can warrantee it because it's not one battery per se, it is a set of batteries in a series (six rows of 12?) and if one or two fails, you wouldn't notice the difference. Also, there are NO MOVING PARTS. NiMH batteries have an extraordinary lifespan of charge/discharge cycles, which is further reinforced by the computerized charging system. KK >> "Bill" wrote: >> "Hybrid Vehicle System Warranty [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > B~ > >> "Jay" wrote > >> Compared with typical new cars, what have you '05 Prius owners [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > contamination. altered odometer, total loss vehicles.... pretty much what an > honest person would expect would be excluded. * The warranty in California (and any other states that use the California emission standards) is 120,000 miles and 120 months. earle * In article <earle.jones-AC6FA8.22122614032005@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, > The warranty in California (and any other states that use the > California emission standards) is 120,000 miles and 120 months. 150,000 miles. SignatureStop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush. My 2001 Prius has 106,000 trouble free miles. It was purchased in October 2000. Toyota has backed up the car and it's warranty beyond expectations. There was an issue of low tire life with the early 'low resistance' tires and they even created a reimbursement program for those. The main traction battery pack is a large series array of roughly "D" sized cells to produce ~ 220 volts. The local (Newport RI) dealer has said he knows of NO FAILURES so far. He has heard that individual cells can be isolated and replaced at a fraction of the total cost of the full array. This issue of the battery pack cost has been repeated ad nauseum in other forums. We shall see as I progress into the uncharted territory of post warranty Prius ownership. I have definitely gotten my moneys worth from this car and there seems to be a healthy resale market. (tho probably for ones w/ less miles than mine) > The main traction battery pack is a large series array of roughly "D" sized > cells to produce ~ 220 volts.\ The original Japanese-only 1998-2000 model year Prius used the old cylindrical "D" sized cells. Beginning with the 2001 model year minor redesign (first model year sold in the US), Toyota switched to the prismatic design (smaller in size/weight and more energy storage than the cylindrical design). For the 2004 model year redesign, Toyota switched to the more energy-dense version of the prismatic cells (again, smaller in physical size but hold more energy). You can read more about the batteries here: Cylindrical module: http://www.peve.panasonic.co.jp/catalog/e_maru.html Prismatic module: http://www.peve.panasonic.co.jp/catalog/e_kaku.html I could be wrong here, but I think some one of the Honda hybrids may have used the cylindrical design (I know they use the PanasonicEV batteries, though). Ford is going with Sanyo for their hybrid batteries. > However, he did say he would be less than willing to tow a hybrid with a > breached battery. There is a lot going on about who will clean up the mess [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > this is still in the speculative mode until he gets involved in one...and > the pricey disposal fee which I'm sure will occur in California. what disposal fee? Toyota will pay you a $200 bounty for the hybrid battery, to make sure that it is recycled properly. The hybrid battery packs in the Prius have labels on them for whom to contact to recycle them. See the HV Battery Pack Recycling section in the Prius Emergency Response Guides. You can also read the proper way to handle an accident there, too. If you're concerned, print out a copy and give it to your AAA driver and your local fire/rescue department. (I know that both Toyota and Honda give training sessions to first responders if asked.) page 11 (of the printed version): http://techinfo.toyota.com/public/main/1stprius.pdf page 19 (of the printed version): http://techinfo.toyota.com/public/main/2ndprius.pdf To quote Toyota's press release: http://pressroom.toyota.com/photo_library/display_release.html?id=20040623 <quote> How long does the Prius battery last and what is the replacement cost? The Prius battery (and the battery-power management system) has been designed to maximize battery life. In part this is done by keeping the battery at an optimum charge level - never fully draining it and never fully recharging it. As a result, the Prius battery leads a pretty easy life. We have lab data showing the equivalent of 180,000 miles with no deterioration and expect it to last the life of the vehicle. We also expect battery technology to continue to improve: the second-generation model battery is 15% smaller, 25% lighter, and has 35% more specific power than the first. This is true of price as well. Between the 2003 and 2004 models, service battery costs came down 36% and we expect them to continue to drop so that by the time replacements may be needed it won't be a much of an issue. Since the car went on sale in 2000, Toyota has not replaced a single battery for wear and tear. Is there a recycling plan in place for nickel-metal hydride batteries? Toyota has a comprehensive battery recycling program in place and has been recycling nickel-metal hydride batteries since the RAV4 Electric Vehicle was introduced in 1998. Every part of the battery, from the precious metals to the plastic, plates, steel case and the wiring, is recycled. To ensure that batteries come back to Toyota, each battery has a phone number on it to call for recycling information and dealers are paid a $200 "bounty" for each battery. </quote> More links for info on accident training can be found here: http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/toyota-prius/links/Technical_Mechanical_0009 66854260/Emergency_Responders_001011822061/ > I'm still waiting to see the "fine print" on the 10 year California battery > warranty to see if it is pro-rated (steeply) somehow or if it is an, indeed, > "free battery for 10 years." I can't get a battery to last more than 2 > years so I'm skeptical (my laptop batteries only last 1-2 years for me and I > think they are the same cell material). If it takes a charge and the > operating interval is short, it may not be a warranty issue but merely a > "You can't go very far" issue unless you replace it for $3500-$4500. Maybe > it excludes normal wear and tear? Dunno, but I'm skeptical on a "free" 10 > year battery switchout from anyone. Maybe 1 year, but 10?! Your laptop batteries don't have the built-in battery management that the Prius battery has. The Prius battery is never fully charged or discharged, which prolongs its life. Your laptop battery probably also doesn't have built-in heating or cooling to keep it at room temperature, also prolonging its life (Prius blows cabin air over the batteries for temperature control). The battery pack on a Prius is modular, so it is possible to just replace a bad cell/module, and not the entire pack, if necessary. But, with used battery pack prices under $1000, might as well do a complete changeout... > Someone please post the actual Toyota battery warranty wording. Note that 96 months = 8 years, and 120 months = 10 years. Taken from: (US) "2001 Toyota Prius Owner's Warranty Information" booklet, Printed in U.S.A 6/00, PN: 00404-02001-PRIUS page 5, "Introduction," "Warranty Coverages at a Glance" Under "New Vehicle Limited Warranty," Hybrid Vehicle System is listed as 96 months/100,000 miles. page 6, "Your Warranties in Detail," "General Warranty Provisions" "Repairs Made at No Charge: Repairs and adjustments covered by these warranties are made at no charge for parts and labor." page 8, "Your Warranties in Detail," "New Vehicle Limited Warranty" "Hybrid Vehicle System Warranty: This warranty covers repairs needed to correct defects in materials or workmanship of the components listed here and supplied by Toyota, subject to the exceptions indicated under "What is not Covered" on pages 10-11: * Battery control module * Hybrid control module * Hybrid vehicle battery pack * Inverter with converter Coverage is for 96 months or 100,000 miles, whichever occurs first." pages 10-11, "Your Warranties in Detail," "New Vehicle Limited Warranty" "WHAT IS NOT COVERED This warranty does not cover damage or failures resulting directly or indirectly from any of the following: * Fire, accidents or theft * Abuse or negligence * Misuse- for example, racing or overloading * Improper repairs * Alteration or tampering, including installation of non-Genuine Toyota Accessories * Lack of or improper maintenance, including use of fluids other than those specified in the Owner's Manual * Installation of non-Genuine Toyota Parts * Airborne chemicals, tree sap, road debris (including stone chips), rail dust, salt, hail, floods, wind storms, lightning and other environmental conditions * Water contamination This warranty also does not cover the following: TIRES: Tires are covered by a separate warranty provide by the tire manufacturer. See page 25. NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR: Noise, vibration, cosmetic condtions and other deterioration caused by normal wear and tear. MAINTENANCE EXPENSE: Normal maintenance services such as engine tune-ups; replacement of fluids and filters; lubrication; cleaning and polishing; replacement of spark plugs and fuses; and replacement of worn wiper blades, brake pads/linings and clutch linings. VEHICLES WITH ALTERED ODOMETER: Failure of a vehicle on which the odometer has been altered so that the actual vehicle mileage cannot be readily determined. SALVAGE OR TOTAL-LOSS VEHICLES: Any vehicle that has ever been issued a "salvage" title or similar title under any state's law; or has ever been declared a "total loss" or equivalent by a financial institution or insurer, such as by payment for a claim in lieu of repairs because the cost of repairs exceeded the cash value of the vehicle. This exclusion does not apply to the emission control warranties. INCIDENTAL DAMAGES: Incidental or consequential damages associated with a vehicle failure. Such damages include but are not limited to inconvenience; the cost of transportation, telephone calls and lodging; the loss of personal or commercial property; and the loss of pay or revenue." Taken from: (US) "2004 Toyota Prius Owner's Warranty Information" booklet, Printed in U.S.A 7/03, PN: 00505-T2004-PRIUS page 6, "Introduction," "Warranty Coverages at a Glance" Under "New Vehicle Limited Warranty," Hybrid Vehicle System is listed as 96 months/100,000 miles. Under "Emission Control Warranty," "California(*)," the Hybrid Battery Pack is listed as 120 months/150,000 miles. (*) Also applies to Maine, Massachusetts, New York, and Vermont vehicles equipped with a California Certified Emission Control System. Vehicles covered by this warranty are also covered by the Federal Emission Control Warranty. page 7, "Your Warranties in Detail," "General Warranty Provisions" "Repairs Made at No Charge: Repairs and adjustments covered by these warranties are made at no charge for parts and labor." page 9, "Your Warranties in Detail," "New Vehicle Limited Warranty" "Hybrid Vehicle System Warranty: This warranty covers repairs needed to correct defects in materials or workmanship of the components listed here and supplied by Toyota, subject to the exceptions indicated under "What is not Covered" on pages 11-12: * Battery control module * Hybrid control module * Hybrid vehicle battery pack * Inverter with converter Coverage is for 96 months or 100,000 miles, whichever occurs first." pages 11-12, "Your Warranties in Detail," "New Vehicle Limited Warranty" "WHAT IS NOT COVERED This warranty does not cover damage or failures resulting directly or indirectly from any of the following: * Fire, accidents or theft * Abuse or negligence * Misuse- for example, racing or overloading * Improper repairs * Alteration or tampering, including installation of non-Genuine Toyota Accessories * Lack of or improper maintenance, including use of fluids other than those specified in the Owner's Manual * Installation of non-Genuine Toyota Parts * Airborne chemicals, tree sap, road debris (including stone chips), rail dust, salt, hail, floods, wind storms, lightning and other environmental conditions * Water contamination This warranty also does not cover the following: TIRES: Tires are covered by a separate warranty provide by the tire manufacturer. See page 25. NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR: Noise, vibration, cosmetic condtions and other deterioration caused by normal wear and tear. MAINTENANCE EXPENSE: Normal maintenance services such as: * Engine tune-ups * Replacement of fluids and filters * Lubrication * Cleaning and polishing * Replacement of spark plugs and fuses * Replacement of worn wiper blades, brake pads/linings and clutch linings VEHICLES WITH ALTERED ODOMETER: Failure of a vehicle on which the odometer has been altered so that the actual vehicle mileage cannot be readily determined. SALVAGE OR TOTAL-LOSS VEHICLES: Any vehicle that has ever been issued a "salvage" title or similar title under any state's law; or has ever been declared a "total loss" or equivalent by a financial institution or insurer, such as by payment for a claim in lieu of repairs because the cost of repairs exceeded the cash value of the vehicle. This exclusion does not apply to the emission control warranties. INCIDENTAL DAMAGES: Incidental or consequential damages associated with a vehicle failure. Such damages include but are not limited to inconvenience; the cost of transportation, telephone calls and lodging; the loss of personal or commercial property; and the loss of pay or revenue." page 20, "Your Warranties in Detail," "California Emission Control Warranty" "YOUR WARRANTY RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS .... CARB [California Air Resources Board] regulations require that Toyota must warrant the emission control system on your vehicle for the time periods indicated on this page, provided there has been no abuse, neglect or improper maintenance of your vehicle. .... Where a warrantable condidtion exists, Toyota will repair your vehicle at no cost to you, including diagnosis, parts and labor. MANUFACTURER'S WARRANTY COVERAGE .... * Warranty coverage for the hybrid battery pack is 10 years or 150,000 miles, whichever occurs first." page 21, "Your Warranties in Detail," "California Emission Control Warranty" "WHAT IS NOT COVERED These warranty obligations do not apply to failures or noncompliance caused by: * The use of replacement parts not certified in accordance with aftermarket parts certification regulations. * The use of replacement parts not equivalent in quality or design to original equipment parts. Provisions under the "What is Not Covered" section of the New Vehicle Limited Warranty also apply to this warranty." Thanks to all who replied. |
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