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Car Forum / Toyota / Prius / March 2005

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PacKat - 17 Mar 2005 15:28 GMT
Does the insurance for a Prius considerable higher, and how
much higher, than other standard car of the same price
range?
Thanks,
pac
Mike Rosenberg - 17 Mar 2005 23:50 GMT
> Does the insurance for a Prius considerable higher, and how
> much higher, than other standard car of the same price
> range?

I don't believe there's any difference.

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Kevin Kirkeby - 17 Mar 2005 23:52 GMT
My experience with the insurance is that the liability for property damage
is higher than the Saturn SL it replaced. Might have something to do with
body weight being almost 70% more than the Saturn. Otherwise, insurance is
reasonably similar. There isn't a high demand for the car in the aftermarket
parts arena (new model year) nor the steal and resell market (every part has
a VIN on it somewhere and it would be like joyriding in an exotic import,
just not enough of them to blend into the background.)

KK

> Does the insurance for a Prius considerable higher, and how much higher,
> than other standard car of the same price range?
> Thanks,
> pac
PacKat - 18 Mar 2005 01:13 GMT
> My experience with the insurance is that the liability for
> property
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>> Thanks,
>> pac

My insurer Geico, just gave me a quote.
-  Ford Explorer V8 1997  $591
-  Prius 2005 $712

Packat
dbs__usenet@tanj.com - 18 Mar 2005 03:42 GMT
> My insurer Geico, just gave me a quote.
> -  Ford Explorer V8 1997  $591
> -  Prius 2005 $712
>
> Packat

That sounds about right.  The explorer is older and worth less, but has
a higher risk than a car.  The Prius is brand new and thus has a higher
replacement cost.

I love insurance;  In the past 30 years I've been told my insurance was
going up because;

o  I was under 25
o  I was male
o  I was single
o  I had a sports car
o  I had a 4x4
o  I was under 32
o  I had a teenager with a license
o  I had a brand new car
o  I had a car with only two seats
o  I had too many tickets.

My mom got a shock when she was told that her insurance was going
up because she'd been driving more than 45 years (or was it 40???).
That appears to be a loophole to avoid age discrimination suits.
She pointed out that she did not get her license till the mid 60s.
They had to admit that they guessed at how long she'd driven from her age.

The insurance for my brand new Prius (in 2002) was not much more than my
10 year old ford 4x4.
Kevin Kirkeby - 19 Mar 2005 01:17 GMT
Hmm, not exactly comparing apples to apples, are we? :-).
If you're talking about full coverage, comp and collision for the both of
them, the difference can be accounted for by the fact that you have a $25K
car vs an $8000 SUV.

KK

> My insurer Geico, just gave me a quote.
> -  Ford Explorer V8 1997  $591
> -  Prius 2005 $712
>
> Packat
PacKat - 19 Mar 2005 15:01 GMT
> Hmm, not exactly comparing apples to apples, are we? :-).

Nope.  But they are the oly two I know.
I am surprise, the insureance for Prius is not much higher
because of the new technology.  The cost to fix a damage
engine must be sky high comparing to comparing conventional
engine.

pac
PacKat - 19 Mar 2005 16:11 GMT
>> Hmm, not exactly comparing apples to apples, are we? :-).
>
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>
> pac

sorry for all the pypo and repetition.  I need breakfast!!!
:-)
Mike Rosenberg - 19 Mar 2005 16:44 GMT
> I am surprise, the insureance for Prius is not much higher
> because of the new technology.  The cost to fix a damage
> engine must be sky high comparing to comparing conventional
> engine.

Liability insurance covers damage to other cars and property, so the
technology of the Prius isn't relevant.  Collision insurance could
conceivably cover engine and/or friction battery replacement, but that
would be a rare occurrence; in most collisions you would just need
standard body shop repairs, which would be the same for the Prius as for
conventional cars in the same size and price range.

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dbs__usenet@tanj.com - 21 Mar 2005 17:10 GMT
>> Hmm, not exactly comparing apples to apples, are we? :-).
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> pac

Now why would you think that?  First, the engine is roughly the same cost as
any other.  Second, the power split unit is about the same ost as a trans-axle.

The Insurance company must be taking into account the fact that the Prius
can't be hotwired, so theft is lower, or maybe that the car sustains
less damage than others in minor collisions.?

Daniel
B. Peg - 23 Mar 2005 00:42 GMT
My insurance quote from Automobile Club So. CA (3-22-05):  $1194 per year,
full cov, w/ $500 deductible.  Oddly, the Dodge Ram 1500 Hemi was $1200 yr.
with same coverage.  Prices are too similar and may be vehicle cost related?

Test drove the Prius.  Not bad.  Snappy accelleration, but it had a bad
shimmy in front on trucker's lanes on freeway.  Some say (Prius forum) it is
due to front end mis-alignment which having done after-purchase may
alleviate that.  It surprised the salesman as well (like the infamous "I
never saw one do that before" statement.  Uh, huh!).  Wind wasn't a problem
that day, but some on the forum say the car may wander from side wind loads
and turbulence due to the design.  This seemed more like road related shimmy
though.

However, when I asked the salesman about the "battery warranty" he said he
didn't know and would ask when we got back.  He marched up to the front
"General's window and lookout post" and called me over to hear the general
manager's spew.   I asked,  "If I show up here in two years with a dead
battery, do I get another one free?"  He thumbed through a clipboard of
papers and replied, "You are covered by Toyota's warranty" which still left
me with an answered question.  "So is it free?" I asked again.  His reply
(verbatim), "You are covered by Toyota's warranty."  Me again, "So is it
free?" (for the third time).  Then he ran off on some other issue still not
answering me.  His answers seem too scripted (and he was reading from one
off a clipboard).   Dunno.  Might need to go to another dealer as this one
seems set in avoiding giving a direct answer.

Lady there drove up in hers so I got to get some feedback.  Her's was
averaging 42 mpg and she was happy with that.  Had her rear windows tinted
and had some independent shop install leather seat covers and side panels
that looked really good.

B~
Michael Pardee - 23 Mar 2005 03:36 GMT
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> However, when I asked the salesman about the "battery warranty" he said he
> didn't know and would ask when we got back.  He marched up to the front
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> from one off a clipboard).   Dunno.  Might need to go to another dealer as
> this one seems set in avoiding giving a direct answer.

Wow - good thing you found out how well the dealership would back you up
before the time came!

I used to be the service manager for a general aviation avionics (airplane
electronics) shop, and I became acutely aware of how much customers
appreciated us going to bat with the manufacturers for them. The thing is
that it wasn't hard at all. We already knew all the sales and warranty
people by first name and anything that made sense to us made sense to them.
That dealership sounds like a real clinker.

Mike
Kevin Kirkeby - 23 Mar 2005 05:45 GMT
Indeed. Sounds like the dealership is a real piece of work. My understanding
of the California Emission Standards states is that the battery is
warranteed 10/120000km. Not positive on the exact term length, but it's a
replace or repair at no cost. That is for the TRACTION BATTERY, not the
auxillary battery, which will be subject to the 3/36K warrantee and likely
prorated by the manufacturer after that.

KK

> <big snip>
>> However, when I asked the salesman about the "battery warranty" he said
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Mike
dbs__usenet@tanj.com - 24 Mar 2005 04:00 GMT
> My insurance quote from Automobile Club So. CA (3-22-05):  $1194 per year,
> full cov, w/ $500 deductible.  Oddly, the Dodge Ram 1500 Hemi was $1200 yr.
> with same coverage.  Prices are too similar and may be vehicle cost related?

More likely having to do with your driving history (which is, of course
spotless) or your location (probably lowest crime in america).

> However, when I asked the salesman about the "battery warranty" he said he
> didn't know and would ask when we got back.  He marched up to the front
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> (verbatim), "You are covered by Toyota's warranty."  Me again, "So is it
> free?" (for the third time).

Most people learn in grade school what to do if you don't understand the
answer or think the other doesn't understand the question.  You rephrase
it to enhance understanding.  One way to rephrase the question would
have been "So there is no pro-ration?"

> Lady there drove up in hers so I got to get some feedback.  Her's was
> averaging 42 mpg and she was happy with that.  Had her rear windows tinted
> and had some independent shop install leather seat covers and side panels
> that looked really good.

Congrats on getting feedback from 1 person out of 150,000.

I just got back from a 1,200 mile round trip, most of it at 70MPH, but a
few hours stuck in LA "rush hour" traffic and about 100 miles around the
canyons of San Diego.  Wind?  No problem despite wind warnings on I-5.
Milage?  47.4 mpg.

Now you have feedback from 2 people.

:)
Bill - 20 Mar 2005 01:27 GMT
> Hmm, not exactly comparing apples to apples, are we? :-).
> If you're talking about full coverage, comp and collision for the both of
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>>
>> Packat

When I insured my 2005 Prius the insurance company's computer didn't find
the ABS and Anti-Theft discounts from looking at the VIN.  Glad I caught
this because they made quite a difference.
Kevin Kirkeby - 20 Mar 2005 05:04 GMT
Got mine in October 2003. The VIN would not even take in their online "add a
vehicle" option. They had to add it manually and for several weeks they had
it mispelled in their computer (PREUS). I imagine these things happen
anytime a manufacturer births a new product series.

KK

>> Hmm, not exactly comparing apples to apples, are we? :-).
>> If you're talking about full coverage, comp and collision for the both of
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> the ABS and Anti-Theft discounts from looking at the VIN.  Glad I caught
> this because they made quite a difference.
John Campbell - 26 Mar 2005 15:32 GMT
I've had a Prius for 3 years and my insurance is no higher than it was for
my previous car, a mini van.

> Does the insurance for a Prius considerable higher, and how
> much higher, than other standard car of the same price
> range?
> Thanks,
> pac
 
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