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Car Forum / Toyota / Prius / February 2005

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mileage vs. A/C usage

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Spam Collector - 27 Jul 2004 00:18 GMT
What are people's experiences with the Prius with air conditioing?
I've read that the gas engine needs to run for the A/C to work, so
how much benefit do you see from having a hybrid in the South where
the A/C is used much of the year?  Normally if you're sitting in
traffic the engine would shut down, but if it is needed to run the
A/C do you end up with any fuel savings over a 'normal' car?
  I've been considering buying a hybrid, but I'm curious what to
expect in mileage numbers in city driving with the A/C running (and
in South Texas it would be running most of the year).

Thanks,
Frank
Michelle Steiner - 27 Jul 2004 02:29 GMT
> What are people's experiences with the Prius with air conditioing?
> I've read that the gas engine needs to run for the A/C to work, so
> how much benefit do you see from having a hybrid in the South where
> the A/C is used much of the year?  Normally if you're sitting in
> traffic the engine would shut down, but if it is needed to run the
> A/C do you end up with any fuel savings over a 'normal' car?

It does not need the ICE to run the A/C.  The A/C runs very well off the
battery, but occasionally, the ICE will kick in if the battery's charge
runs down.

I live in the Phoenix area, and the A/C is needed regardless of time of
day; it usually stays in the 90s all night.  I've had the car since
Thursday, and am getting mileage in the mid 40s.  I'm starting to learn
the gas-saving driving techniques, and have had some periods on the
highway with mileage in the high 50s to mid 60s.

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Mike Reshetar - 27 Jul 2004 14:58 GMT
I live in Southern Maryland where it is muggy most of the summer.

I have used the "Auto AC" feature on my 2004 Prius almost all the time with
resulting gas mileage of 45 to 47 MPG in what I call normal driving.
Recently went on a 600 mile plus trip with the above setting and averages
52.8 MPG for the trip. I have taken the same trip in a 2003 Chevy Malibu and
averaged only 26 MPG. Used AC and cruise control in both cars.

It was a pleasure to fill up only once for the trip. Ooppss, I meant twice.
Hit the final dot on the gas gauge when I arrived back in my home town.

Mike

> > What are people's experiences with the Prius with air conditioing?
> > I've read that the gas engine needs to run for the A/C to work, so
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> the gas-saving driving techniques, and have had some periods on the
> highway with mileage in the high 50s to mid 60s.
Michelle Vadeboncoeur - 27 Jul 2004 17:50 GMT
> What are people's experiences with the Prius with air conditioing?
> I've read that the gas engine needs to run for the A/C to work, so
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> expect in mileage numbers in city driving with the A/C running (and
> in South Texas it would be running most of the year).

Depends on which Prius you're talking about.

On the 2001-2003 Prius, the AC/defroster was belt driven off of the
gasoline engine.  So, AC use in summer is fairly similar to heater use
in winter ("waste" heat from the ICE to heat the cabin).  The fan will
continue to circulate the hot/cold air.  When the temperature of the
changes too much, the ICE will come back on to change the temperature
again.  (Just don't use MAX AC, and your system will cycle like this.  
MAX leaves the AC on all the time, so your engine runs all the time...)
Mileage won't be as good as if you didn't need to use the climate control,
but it's not outrageous, thanks to the cycling.

On the 2004 Prius, the AC/defroster is electric, run off of the hybrid
battery pack.  So, your engine doesn't need to run to power the AC.  
(Engine still needed for heat, however.)  If the battery charge gets
too low (about 2 bars on the gage), expect the ICE to come back on to
recharge the hybrid battery if you're stuck in a long traffic jam.
GAN - 04 Aug 2004 19:06 GMT
>What are people's experiences with the Prius with air conditioing?
>I've read that the gas engine needs to run for the A/C to work, so
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>Thanks,
>Frank

Go to this Web page to see the technical information on the 2004 Prius
air conditioning system.
http://www.denso.co.jp/motorshow/2003/en/presskit/product_electric/

GAN
Dmitri <Cabling-Design.com> - 18 Aug 2004 22:24 GMT
The page says it's running on CO2 It also states it is the world's first CO2
car A/C unit. It really does sound terrific, but what about service? I can
imagine a mechanic will be literally stunned by half of Prius's features.
So, high maintenance cost is inevitable? How high, can someone share their
experience here? I feel like I'm OK with paying a bit extra for a vehicle
that's easier on the environment, but thinking about maintenance costs
scares me.
Thanks!

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> >What are people's experiences with the Prius with air conditioing?
> >I've read that the gas engine needs to run for the A/C to work, so
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>
> GAN


GAN - 23 Aug 2004 16:30 GMT
>The page says it's running on CO2 It also states it is the world's first CO2
>car A/C unit. It really does sound terrific, but what about service? I can
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>scares me.
>Thanks!

The Prius A/C is NOT a CO2 unit. The CO2 unit was designed for a FUEL
CELL HYBRID vehicle.

"DENSO has developed and applied the world's first CO2 car air
conditioning system using CO2 as refrigerant for Toyota's fuel cell
hybrid vehicle launched last December. Through products like these,
DENSO continues to lead the 21st century in the creation of
comfortable vehicle environments."

GAN
dbs__usenet@tanj.com - 03 Feb 2005 07:51 GMT
> The page says it's running on CO2 It also states it is the world's first CO2
> car A/C unit. It really does sound terrific, but what about service? I can
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> scares me.
> Thanks!

Had my Prius for 2.5 years, and haven't spent a cent on maintenance.

Many cars are complicated enough that they should only be worked on by
the dealer or trained specialists.  Same with Televisions and computers,
but people buy them anyway.

Daniel
Michelle Steiner - 03 Feb 2005 09:04 GMT
> Had my Prius for 2.5 years, and haven't spent a cent on maintenance.

No oil changes?  No tire rotations?  No fluid replacements?  Or were
they all free?

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Mike Rosenberg - 03 Feb 2005 13:22 GMT
> > Had my Prius for 2.5 years, and haven't spent a cent on maintenance.
>
> No oil changes?  No tire rotations?  No fluid replacements?  Or were
> they all free?

I guess he's only talking about unscheduled maintenance.

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dbs__usenet@tanj.com - 05 Feb 2005 01:39 GMT
>> > Had my Prius for 2.5 years, and haven't spent a cent on maintenance.
>>
>> No oil changes?  No tire rotations?  No fluid replacements?  Or were
>> they all free?
>
> I guess he's only talking about unscheduled maintenance.

No, all scheduled maint has been free.  Have not needed unscheduled maint.

Daniel
dbs__usenet@tanj.com - 05 Feb 2005 01:38 GMT
>> Had my Prius for 2.5 years, and haven't spent a cent on maintenance.
>
> No oil changes?  No tire rotations?  No fluid replacements?  Or were
> they all free?

They were all free, included in the purchase price.  I think they should do
that for all thier cars.

Daniel
Michelle Steiner - 05 Feb 2005 04:16 GMT
> >> Had my Prius for 2.5 years, and haven't spent a cent on
> >> maintenance.
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> They were all free, included in the purchase price.  I think they
> should do that for all thier cars.

Oh, that's right, before the 2004 model, they provided free service for
the first n services; I forget what n is.

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Michael Pardee - 05 Feb 2005 13:51 GMT
>> >> Had my Prius for 2.5 years, and haven't spent a cent on
>> >> maintenance.
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> Oh, that's right, before the 2004 model, they provided free service for
> the first n services; I forget what n is.

n = 5

The 4th service was pretty extensive; glad that one was free!

Mike
Kevin Kirkeby - 06 Aug 2004 21:50 GMT
No doubt about it, our 04 Prius gets less mileage during the heat of summer
than during the "cooler" southern months. The engine does not have to run
for the a/c to work, it is a completely electric system, like that used in
the back of recreational vehicles, so there is no mechanical linkage to the
engine. It does put more draw on the batteries, though. The engine has to
run more to supply more charge to the batteries.

Average fuel consumption:

Jan:  45.99 MPG
Feb:  Unable to determine
Mar:  46.91 MPG
Apr:  44.55 MPG
May:  43.62 MPG
Jun:  47.42 MPG
Jul:   46.79 MPG

Keep in mind that you'll get better gas mileage with consistant driving,
rather than stop and go driving in the city. As you can see, we seem to
average about 43 to 47 MPG regardless of the air temperature.

KK

> What are people's experiences with the Prius with air conditioing?
> I've read that the gas engine needs to run for the A/C to work, so
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Thanks,
> Frank
Samuel Atlan - 07 Aug 2004 00:08 GMT
> No doubt about it, our 04 Prius gets less mileage during the heat of summer
> than during the "cooler" southern months. The engine does not have to run
> for the a/c to work, it is a completely electric system, like that used in
> the back of recreational vehicles, so there is no mechanical linkage to the
> engine. It does put more draw on the batteries, though. The engine has to
> run more to supply more charge to the batteries.

But on the upside, the A/C's motor is variable speed. It can run at just the
right speed for the temperature you need, so it's using the battery more
efficiently.
melvin - 03 Sep 2004 04:48 GMT
I live in the Nevada desert, where it's over 100just about every day from
May through September. The A/C doesn't change my mileage enough that I have
noticed it. And, no, the new Prius doesn't require the gas engine to be
running. It's a very efficient electric unit...
> What are people's experiences with the Prius with air conditioing?
> I've read that the gas engine needs to run for the A/C to work, so
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Thanks,
> Frank
 
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