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cost of 30K maintenance

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Jean B. - 16 Apr 2007 00:50 GMT
Egad!  I see this is almost $500.  IIRC that the service
contract is $900 (and if it goes through 30K), I think I'll
get one for my next Prius.  The maintenance costs are a killer.

(I'm also going to check the dealership where I bought my car.
 Perhaps it is cheaper.)
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Michelle Steiner - 16 Apr 2007 02:18 GMT
> Egad!  I see this is almost $500.

Find a different dealership.  Here in Phoenix, the dealers charge $295,
and I think that's way high.

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Michael Pardee - 16 Apr 2007 04:18 GMT
>> Egad!  I see this is almost $500.
>
> Find a different dealership.  Here in Phoenix, the dealers charge $295,
> and I think that's way high.

I agree - I do ours myself (on our Classics) in an afternoon, and I work on
cars very slowly. $500 is about the price of a timing belt change on a
Honda, which is not in the same league by any stretch.

Mike
Jean B. - 16 Apr 2007 15:53 GMT
>>> Egad!  I see this is almost $500.
>> Find a different dealership.  Here in Phoenix, the dealers charge $295,
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>
> Mike

Sigh.  I see it would (literally) pay to check around.  Too
bad my local dealership wouldn't match prices (at least I
assume they wouldn't).

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Jean B. - 16 Apr 2007 15:55 GMT
>> Egad!  I see this is almost $500.
>
> Find a different dealership.  Here in Phoenix, the dealers charge $295,
> and I think that's way high.

Thanks, I will check around.  $200 is a large price to pay for
convenience.

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mark_digital© - 16 Apr 2007 08:26 GMT
> Egad!  I see this is almost $500.  IIRC that the service contract is $900
> (and if it goes through 30K), I think I'll get one for my next Prius.  The
> maintenance costs are a killer.
>
> (I'm also going to check the dealership where I bought my car. Perhaps it
> is cheaper.)

If you can pass as a senior,
it could be even cheaper.
Jean B. - 16 Apr 2007 15:52 GMT
>> Egad!  I see this is almost $500.  IIRC that the service contract is $900
>> (and if it goes through 30K), I think I'll get one for my next Prius.  The
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> If you can pass as a senior,
> it could be even cheaper.

How do they define senior?  That seems to vary.

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Jean B.

mark_digital© - 16 Apr 2007 23:41 GMT
>>> Egad!  I see this is almost $500.  IIRC that the service contract is
>>> $900 (and if it goes through 30K), I think I'll get one for my next
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>> it could be even cheaper.
> How do they define senior?  That seems to vary.

Yes indeed it does vary very much. In one unrelated category of sales, one
cashier gives me a discount and the other doesn't. From your own past
experience would you advise me to mention this discrepancy to the cashier
who doesn't or would you advise against upsetting the apple cart?
mrv@kluge.net - 16 Apr 2007 18:11 GMT
> Egad!  I see this is almost $500.  IIRC that the service

Egad is right!

2004 US Prius 36 month/30,000 mile service:
http://smg.toyotapartsandservice.com/guides.php?v=14&y=2004&int_id=6

* Replace engine oil and oil filter
* Rotate tires
* Replace cabin air filter
* Replace engine air filter

engine oil and oil filter, and rotate tires is what is done at every
other 5,000 mile/6 month service, probably about $40.

Go to your dealer's website, perhaps they have some parts or service
discount coupons.

For the cabin air filter and engine air filter, I suggest buying the
filters yourself from your preferred Toyota parts source (your dealer
or online/elsewhere), and doing it yourself.  They're really easy!

Yes, the cabin air filter instructions are in the owner's manual, in
the DIY maintenance area.  I have listed suggestions on it here:
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/toyota-prius/message/73716
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/toyota-prius/message/73729
Basically, you need to take out all the stuff in your glove
compartment box, remove a pin to drop the glove box down, and then
slide the drawer out for the filter and replace.

For the engine air filter, the hardest part is figuring out how to pop
the clips.  (reminds me of some suitcases...)  Be sure you get all of
them! After that, you just flip up the cover, pull out the old filter
and drop in the new filter, and reverse the process...  You're looking
for the big black box that is sitting on top of the engine.
Photos of its location, and clip locations, can be found here:
http://www.vfaq.net/mods/AirFilter.html
(the page is for replacing the OEM air filter with a 3rd party K&N
filter, so you don't really need to read past the 3rd photo, but it
helps you identify where to replace the filter.)

my recollection of the engine air filter box is that it has 4 latches.
most of them you pull up, and then lift off the now loosened hook.
One of
the latches is different than the others, though.

Also, you do not want to tilt the old engine air filter that you are
taking out - you don't want the collected dirt/leaves to fall back
into the engine compartment!

After you have replaced both filters, you'll wonder why anyone pays a
dealer to do it, it's so simple...  (once you have figured out how to
do it once, anyways...)

You can find some suggested discount Toyota parts dealers here:
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/toyota-prius/links/Parts___Accessories__0009
96708657/Toyota_Parts_sources_001004633715


When I last needed to change the filters in my Prius, I had a special
parts discount coupon for my local dealer for air filters, so I went
local.  Otherwise, I would've ordered from:
Cabin air filter, $15:
http://www.metrotpn.com/ProductDetails.aspx?CollectionID=25&ProductID=133&SortIn
dex=13

Engine air filter, $12:
http://www.metrotpn.com/ProductDetails.aspx?CollectionID=25&ProductID=165&SortIn
dex=26


and yes, you typically should shop around for dealership pricing for
the "major" services, particularly if you only ask for the X mile
service (and not for what actually needs to be done to your car per
the scheduled maintenance guide).  Many dealers like to add in (and
charge you for!) a bunch of services at the X mile services, whether
you need them done or not.

For example, for my 2001 Prius' 48 month (60,000 mile) service:
http://smg.toyotapartsandservice.com/guides.php?v=14&y=2001&int_id=56
* Replace engine air filter
* Replace engine coolant
* Replace engine oil and oil filter
* Replace inverter coolant
* Replace spark plugs 2
* Rotate tires

Taken from my previous post on Nov. 11, 2005:

<quote>
Be sure to call around for pricing.  I just called around today for
the 60,000 mile service for my 2001 Prius.  (I'm only at ~41,000
miles, but I am behind by months...  (The last service or two I only
did the oil/filter change and tire rotation.)  I just put new winter
tires on my Prius today, and I haven't had an alignment done ever on
my Prius, so I also priced that too.

dealer 1: $395, though they suggest an additional tire balance ($45)
and a 4-wheel alignment ($79.95) at that service, if you choose to do
so.

dealer 2: $499.95 which includes a 4 wheel alignment (subtract $79.95
if you don't need the alignment)

dealer 3: $480, and an additional $69.95 for a 4-wheel alignment

dealer 4: $465, and an additional $98 (!) for a 4-wheel alignment

These dealers are in the metrowest Boston, MA area.
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mrv@kluge.net - 16 Apr 2007 18:30 GMT
> Egad!  I see this is almost $500.  IIRC that the service
> contract is $900 (and if it goes through 30K), I think I'll
> get one for my next Prius.  The maintenance costs are a killer.

The Toyota prepaid maintenance plan at the 5,000 mile/6 month
intervals which is oil/filter changes and tire rotations (Premium
version, not the Classic), offers:
http://www.toyotafinancial.com/pyv/prepaid_maintenance/comparison_classic_premiu
m.html

Every 5,000 miles    2 yr / 25,000 mi        $550 (includes 1 major
maintenance)
Every 5,000 miles    3 yr / 40,000 mi        $1,015 (includes 2 major
maintenances)
Every 5,000 miles    4 yr / 55,000 mi        $1,355(includes 3 major
maintenances)
But note that the listed prices are the MSRP.  You can haggle down
this price with the finance guy.  The 4 year/55,000 mile Premium
version at 5,000 mile intervals can be found for around $600...
(hint: see some of the suggested Toyota Extra Care extended warranty
dealers on vfaq.net )

If your local dealer is really that expensive, then a haggled-down
priced Toyota prepaid maintenance plan would be beneficial in your
case.

(Note that it is possible that your dealer has services included in
that $500 price for the 30,000 mile service that may not be covered by
the Toyota pre-paid maintenance plan, though, if those services aren't
what's listed on the scheduled maintenance guide...)
Marc Gerges - 16 Apr 2007 20:33 GMT
> The Toyota prepaid maintenance plan at the 5,000 mile/6 month
> intervals which is oil/filter changes and tire rotations (Premium
> version, not the Classic), offers:
[...]

My european spec Prius wants to see the dealer once a year at 15000 km
(10000 miles?) interval. What is the difference to a US spec car that
makes it go twice the distance before seeing the dealer?

Little anecdote: back in the 70es when the Japanese started sending cars
to Europe, they didn't have an extensive dealer network and wouldn't
want to send their customers to give cars to european manufacturer
dealerships to get an oil service. So they declared their cars would go
10000 to 15000 km between services. European manufacturers who, until
then, expected their customers to bring their cars in every 5000 or
sometimes even every 3000 km soon decided that their cars would go 10000
km between oil changes, too.

:-)

cu
 .\\arc
mrv@kluge.net - 16 Apr 2007 21:27 GMT
> My european spec Prius wants to see the dealer once a year at 15000 km
> (10000 miles?) interval. What is the difference to a US spec car that
> makes it go twice the distance before seeing the dealer?

US (and I think Canada) NHW11 Prius have 7500 mile/6 month service
intervals.

US (and I think Canada) NHW20 Prius have 5000 mile/6 month service
intervals.

Why the change?  I have no idea.  Essentially the same engine and
such...  Although I will speculate that Toyota may have preferred the
shorter 5000 mile interval for tire rotations based on the NHW11's
preference of outside edge wear...

I know that the UK Prius (NHW11 and NHW20) have used 1 year/10,000
mile intervals, similar to much of Europe.  Although the emissions
controls are different between the NA and EU models, the engine is
essentially the same...

Why the short interval in the US, as opposed to Europe?  I have no
idea, but local oil change customs seem to play a large role.  (Europe
is used to longer intervals, while the US is used to the 3month/3000
mile mantra...)

(I've also heard some debate that the motor oil sold in at least the
UK is of better quality than what is sold in the US.)

(Besides the service interval debate across the ponds, there is also
the tire rotation vs. no rotation debate as well...)
baumgrenze - 18 May 2007 19:02 GMT
mrv,

I note with interest your comment on the NHW11 and outside edge wear
on tires. I have a 2004 NHW20 and I am seeing the same, but just on
the driver's side of the vehicle. I have a composite photo of all 4
tires in a post on PriusChat, see:

http://priuschat.com/index.php?showtopic=33410&pid=444776&mode=threaded&show=&st
=&#entry444776


As I state there, I'm troubled because the tire with the most outside
wear spent 60% of its wear time in back and 40% in front, perhaps
suggesting a camber problem with the rear wheel?

thanks,

baumgrenze

On Apr 16, 1:27 pm, "m...@kluge.net" <m...@kluge.net> wrote:

> > My european spec Prius wants to see the dealer once a year at 15000 km
> > (10000 miles?) interval. What is the difference to a US spec car that
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> (I've also heard some debate that the motor oil sold in at least the
> UK is of better quality than what is sold in the US.)

> (Besides the service interval debate across the ponds, there is also
> thetirerotation vs. no rotation debate as well...)
bob - 17 Apr 2007 02:58 GMT
what does the 30k maintenance entail?

bob

> Egad!  I see this is almost $500.  IIRC that the service contract is $900
> (and if it goes through 30K), I think I'll get one for my next Prius.  The
> maintenance costs are a killer.
>
> (I'm also going to check the dealership where I bought my car. Perhaps it
> is cheaper.)
Jean B. - 17 Apr 2007 20:14 GMT
> what does the 30k maintenance entail?
>
> bob

I'll try to remember to get the maintenance book out of the
car later today.  Stay tuned.
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mrv@kluge.net - 18 Apr 2007 01:02 GMT
> > what does the 30k maintenance entail?
>
> I'll try to remember to get the maintenance book out of the
> car later today.  Stay tuned.

View the US Toyota Scheduled Maintenance Guides here:
http://smg.toyotapartsandservice.com/

also, be sure that you are getting the correct 30,000 mile service for
your Prius.  It is different for a NHW11 (more expensive) than for a
NHW20.

For a US NHW20 (2004-current) Prius, the 30,000 mile/36 month service
is:
<quote>
Replace engine oil and oil filter 1
Rotate tires
Replace cabin air filter
Replace engine air filter
Inspect the following:
  Ball joints and dust covers
  Brake lines and hoses
  Brake linings/drums and brake pads/discs 2
  Differential oil
  Drive shaft boots
  Engine and inverter coolant
  Exhaust pipes and mountings
  Fuel lines and connections, fuel tank band and fuel tank vapor vent
system hoses
  Fuel tank cap gasket
  Radiator, condenser and intercooler
  Steering gear box
  Steering linkage and boots
  Transmission fluid

Additional Maintenance Items for Special Operating Conditions:
Driving While Towing
Tighten nuts and bolts on chassis
Driving in Desert or On Dirt Roads
Tighten nuts and bolts on chassis

Applicable Footnotes:
1) Reset the oil replacement reminder ("MAINT REQD") light after
replacing engine oil.
2) Inspect thickness measurement and disc runout.
</quote>

For a US NHW11 (2001-2003) Prius, the 30,000 mile/24 month service was
provided for free/complimentary by Toyota with the purchase of the
car.  The service was:
<quote>
Replace engine air filter
Replace engine coolant
Replace engine oil and oil filter
Replace inverter coolant
Rotate tires
Inspect the following:
  Ball joints and dust covers
  Brake lines and hoses
  Brake linings/drums and brake pads/discs
  Differential oil
  Drive shaft boots
  Exhaust pipes and mountings
  Fuel lines and connections, fuel tank band and fuel tank vapor vent
system hoses
  Fuel tank cap gasket
  Steering gear box
  Steering linkage and boots
  Transmission fluid

Note: Maintenance services specified at this interval are provided by
Toyota at no charge, excluding items required for vehicles driven
under special operating conditions.

Additional Maintenance Items for Special Operating Conditions:
Driving on Rough, Muddy or Snow-Melted Roads
Inspect nuts and bolts on chassis and body
Driving on Unpaved or Dusty Roads
Replace air conditioning filter
</quote>
 
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