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GPS in a Prius

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Shawn Hirn - 12 Aug 2007 04:29 GMT
I am thinking of buying a new Prius. I just test drove one today that
had the package 4 options in it and I really like that car. I do want a
GPS, but buying the package 6 just to get the GPS makes no sense. I can
buy a third party GPS, plus get the ability to take the GPS with me when
I travel. I am curious if any of your Prius owners use a third party GPS
in your car and if so, how does it mount on the dashboard and how does
it work for you? I am not sure which GPS to buy, but it needs to mount
unobtrusively in the car, be easily removed so I can take it on vacation
with me when I rent a car far from home, and also be Mac OS X compatible
for updates.

If any of you has any comments on this topic, please post them here.

Thanks.
B. Peg - 12 Aug 2007 06:25 GMT
I've used a lot of Garmins over the years and they work very well.

However, they all are a pain to set up and remove because someone may want
it and not care what damage is done to your car to get it.  I've had that
happen on my old Ford.  Damage was more than the unit they stole.

Now I've gotten them built-in.  It's always there an running if you need it.
Convenience is a big plus.  Less theft to worry about as well as unplugging,
removing (that dash in the Prius is deep!) and setting up the thing
everytime you get in the car.  Since then, I'll never own another car
without it being built-in.  It integrates to well into the vehicle's
sound/phone system and you can talk to it whereas the portables aren't there
yet.

My two cents.

B~
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 12 Aug 2007 13:31 GMT
In article
<gRwvi.420139$p47.112150@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,

> However, they all are a pain to set up and remove because someone may want
> it and not care what damage is done to your car to get it.  I've had that
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> sound/phone system and you can talk to it whereas the portables aren't there
> yet.

...spending $2000 every three years for the privilege.
News - 12 Aug 2007 17:14 GMT
> I am thinking of buying a new Prius. I just test drove one today that
> had the package 4 options in it and I really like that car. I do want a
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Thanks.

Any of the PocketPC/GSM Phone/GPS units works fine, if you can live without
the Mac sync business (or maybe it is possible, but I have no need).
Harry Smith - 13 Aug 2007 02:35 GMT
>> I am thinking of buying a new Prius. I just test drove one today that
>> had the package 4 options in it and I really like that car. I do want
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> without the Mac sync business (or maybe it is possible, but I have no
> need).

We have a 2007 Prius with the navigation systemm, and a portable Garmin
for our other cars.  The Toyota system is very well integrated into the
car and uses the display that is also used for climate control, audio,
energy monitoring, etc.  The only problem we've found is that the system
will not let you (or more accurately, your passenger) set or modify any
destination (or even serach for restaurants, etc.) while the car is
moving.  That turned out to be a REALLY big irritation.

The Garmin works well, has slightly more complete coverage of some areas
of Canada, and is easy to mount.  Moreover, unlike the Toyota built-in,
an occupant in the car can program in a destination while underway.
Unfortunately, any way we've tried to mount it is very intrusive and,
well, ugly.  It has to be close to some glass area in order to maintain
consistent communication with the satellites, so it's hard to hide it.
Just plugging it in loose and sitting it in the center console or some
such is just not workable.  It comes with a suction cup windshield mount
that is very effective if you don't mind visibility being seriously
compromised by a large chunky thing stuck in your field of vision.  

I have no idea about MAC compatibilty.

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B. Peg - 13 Aug 2007 05:33 GMT
> ....  It comes with a suction cup windshield mount
> that is very effective if you don't mind visibility being seriously
> compromised by a large chunky thing stuck in your field of vision.

Also, Garmin mentions that in some states it's illegal to stick suction cups
devices on the windshield.  I know CA is one.  They make abean bag weighted
unit for some of their units to get around that issue.

B~
Paul Russell - 13 Aug 2007 08:52 GMT
> We have a 2007 Prius with the navigation systemm, and a portable Garmin
> for our other cars.  The Toyota system is very well integrated into the
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> destination (or even serach for restaurants, etc.) while the car is
> moving.  That turned out to be a REALLY big irritation.

You can disable this safety feature, I believe, although I've never
tried it myself. I think it's in the FAQ on priuschat.com.

Paul
Michelle Steiner - 13 Aug 2007 18:57 GMT
> > We have a 2007 Prius with the navigation systemm, and a portable
> > Garmin for our other cars.  The Toyota system is very well
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> You can disable this safety feature, I believe, although I've never
> tried it myself. I think it's in the FAQ on priuschat.com.

You can disable it only on 2004 and 2005 models.  Toyota removed that
back door in the 2006 and 2007 models.

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Mike Rosenberg - 13 Aug 2007 19:13 GMT
> You can disable it only on 2004 and 2005 models.  Toyota removed that
> back door in the 2006 and 2007 models.

That raises the question  of what happens if you have a 2004 or 2005
model but upgrade to the most recent DVD.  Can you still disable it, or
does the upgrade effectively mean you have a 2006-07 model of the GPS?

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Michael Pardee - 13 Aug 2007 19:24 GMT
>> You can disable it only on 2004 and 2005 models.  Toyota removed that
>> back door in the 2006 and 2007 models.
>
> That raises the question  of what happens if you have a 2004 or 2005
> model but upgrade to the most recent DVD.  Can you still disable it, or
> does the upgrade effectively mean you have a 2006-07 model of the GPS?

My guess is the DVD only updates the database and the interlock is in
firmware :-(

Mike
Michelle Steiner - 13 Aug 2007 23:46 GMT
> > You can disable it only on 2004 and 2005 models.  Toyota removed
> > that back door in the 2006 and 2007 models.
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> or does the upgrade effectively mean you have a 2006-07 model of the
> GPS?

They're completely different systems; the screen is larger, the graphics
are quite different, etc., in the 06 and 07 models.

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Harry Smith - 15 Aug 2007 01:33 GMT
>> You can disable it only on 2004 and 2005 models.  Toyota removed that
>> back door in the 2006 and 2007 models.
>
> That raises the question  of what happens if you have a 2004 or 2005
> model but upgrade to the most recent DVD.  Can you still disable it, or
> does the upgrade effectively mean you have a 2006-07 model of the GPS?

Well, according to posts from at least one person who upgraded the DVD (to
Version 6.1, I think), the disable feature disappeared -- and further, the
older version then could not be reloaded, since the computer protects
against overwriting with a less-current version.

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Mike Rosenberg - 15 Aug 2007 12:56 GMT
> > That raises the question  of what happens if you have a 2004 or 2005
> > model but upgrade to the most recent DVD.  Can you still disable it, or
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> older version then could not be reloaded, since the computer protects
> against overwriting with a less-current version.

I thought I vaguely remembered reading something like that somewhere.
I'd really like to upgrade but losing the disable feature would be a big
blow to me.

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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 16 Aug 2007 20:22 GMT
> > > We have a 2007 Prius with the navigation systemm, and a portable
> > > Garmin for our other cars.  The Toyota system is very well
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> You can disable it only on 2004 and 2005 models.  Toyota removed that
> back door in the 2006 and 2007 models.

Nope.

See Coastal E Tech's web site for the Lockpick 3.  06 and 07 models
included.
Michelle Steiner - 16 Aug 2007 21:07 GMT
> > > You can disable this safety feature, I believe, although I've
> > > never tried it myself. I think it's in the FAQ on priuschat.com.
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> See Coastal E Tech's web site for the Lockpick 3.  06 and 07 models
> included.

We were talking about disabling it in software.

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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 13 Aug 2007 11:50 GMT
> Unfortunately, any way we've tried to mount it is very intrusive and,
> well, ugly.  It has to be close to some glass area in order to maintain
> consistent communication with the satellites, so it's hard to hide it.

Someone on priusonline.com claims that his works perfectly well mounted
down under the radio, in front of the cupholders.

Unfortunately for me, that's where my XM radio is....
Bob3rd - 13 Aug 2007 13:36 GMT
On Aug 13, 6:50 am, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com>
wrote:
> In article <Xns998AEEA7780E3BorgH...@66.150.105.47>,
>
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>
> Unfortunately for me, that's where my XM radio is....

I don't have a Prius yet but I do have a Garmin C340 and I love it.  I
ordered an inexpensive tiny antenna with a long cable on it and can
mount it anywhere in my car.  I can also use my PC, no idea about OSX,
to program it and put custom points of interest or way points in.  For
example, I have all of the radio stations by categories such as talk,
jazz, news, etc.  I can just touch that item on the screen and it
gives distances and directions as well as frequencies.  If I want to
listen to NPR on a trip I can use my GPS to stay tuned to those
stations.  I love the flexibility of the Garmin.  See http://www.poi-factory.com/
for tons of custom way points that you can download and install on
your unit.  I have experienced the built in GPS and would vote for the
portable one. In my PT Cruiser it is not that obtrusive mounted on the
windshield but the Prius has a slightly different configuration.  With
the antenna extension you can put it anywhere.
Michael Pardee - 13 Aug 2007 13:42 GMT
>>> I am thinking of buying a new Prius. I just test drove one today that
>>> had the package 4 options in it and I really like that car. I do want
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> that is very effective if you don't mind visibility being seriously
> compromised by a large chunky thing stuck in your field of vision.

Other Garmin models may be different, but our C330 has a connection for a
remote antenna. We put the antenna on the dash near the right corner - it is
small enough to sit there on its own - and put the unit between the front
seats. There is a configuration item that has to be changed for the external
antenna and changed back when it is not being used. In a more permanent
installation the antenna could be put under the dash if desired.

Mike
mrv@kluge.net - 14 Aug 2007 01:18 GMT
> I am thinking of buying a new Prius. I just test drove one today that
> had the package 4 options in it and I really like that car. I do want a
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> If any of you has any comments on this topic, please post them here.

The built-in system in the Prius offers a few advantages over a
portable GPS unit.

* uses existing (often larger) display screen, touch and voice
activated
* uses existing audio (mutes radio for directions on driver's speaker)
* has dead-reckoning ability.  The Prius' navigation uses a series of
gyroscopes and the vehicle's speed sensor to know how fast it's going
and of any turns made, and can plot this on the map, even if the
navigation system has lost all satelite contact (such as in a long
tunnel or parking garage complex).
* uses car's own charging system (no batteries to change out or messy
charging cords)
* difficult to steal or accidentially misplace/lose
* single DVD, so no swapping out of discs or memory cards when on a
long trip.  (US/Canada on one DVD, for example)

However, a portable GPS system has a few advantages over the built-in
system in the Prius:
* available often for cheaper than the built-in system
* can be added after purchase
* can be used in other vehicles, or when walking/biking/etc.
* map/POI updates are often easier to get, more frequent updates, and
may be cheaper (if you only update your local area and not the entire
continent as on the Toyota system)
* may have some features (such as breadcrumbs/remembered routes) not
available on the built-in system

Toyota doesn't have update DVDs very often, but they're usually in the
US$250-$300 range...  If you are in Europe/UK, you can lookup DVD
updates and purchase through http://www.toyota-mapupdates.eu/default1.asp

Do note that you cannot easily add the factory Navigation system to a
Prius not already built with it.  (At least 2X the parts cost alone as
compared with the option pricing, let alone a lot of labor...)  So if
you want it, you'll have to order it that way.  US 2007 Prius option
packages #5 NL, #6 NW, Touring #5 NM, #6 NR, all have the factory
navigation included.  If your local dealer/region doesn't offer the #5
NL or NM, you may want to see if your dealer is willing to swap
outside of your region, or else you may want to yourself go out of
your local region to get the package you want.  Try different ZIP
codes in the "build and price your Prius" link on the left side under
"Shopping Tools":
http://www.toyota.com/prius/options.html

Yes, the Toyota system has a speed lockout of most Navigation buttons
when you are moving.  (Home and the 4 or 5 preset destinations still
work, as do various voice commands.)  For 2006, a larger display (with
better resolution) and newer navigation system was added, which
doesn't accept the known screen button hack to allow use of the screen
while in motion, but now does allow destination input by voice
command.  (Voice commands are usually spotty at best.  8(  )

If you really are annoyed by the speed lockout, you could purchase a
Lockpick:
http://www.coastaletech.com/LOCKPICK_MAIN.htm

As to whether a portable unit or the integrated Toyota unit is best,
that is really a personal decision...
Steve - 15 Aug 2007 01:50 GMT
>I am thinking of buying a new Prius. I just test drove one today that
>had the package 4 options in it and I really like that car. I do want a
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>Thanks.

What I did what get a Garmin 7500, get the external plug-in antenna and have
someone mount it under the dash in the center by the front window, and hang the
nav in front of the plastic tray with the smokey fold-down plastic piece in the
center of the dash by the front cup holder.  Any good car stereo shop will fix
you up with plug in power and mounting.

Then you have a FAR BETTER nav then the Denso nav that Toyota uses, you can take
it out when you want, and you can update the database over the web with SD
cards.

A bonus to this is that the nav screen doesn't get washed out by the sun, and
you can keep the consumption screen on the regular display together with the nav
screen.  Also, you don't have to put up with the the lockout.

Steve
G-Man - 16 Aug 2007 18:12 GMT
I purchased an Accord with NAV.  I purchased a Garmin Nuvi 360 for my Pilot
and travel.  I think the Nuvi is more useful than the Accord NAV.  I wish I
had saved my money in the Accord.

Get a portable NAV!

G-Man

>I am thinking of buying a new Prius. I just test drove one today that
> had the package 4 options in it and I really like that car. I do want a
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>
> Thanks.
 
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