Hi Everyone,
I've been lurking for awhile and just placed my order for a new Prius
Package #2. I have a few question
1. I paid $23,900 - sticker here in the Northeast. Is this typical in
today's market? I believe so.
2. Should I take the extended Toyota warranty? $1300 to bring the 36,000 to
50,000 for 5 years?
3. Any driving tips for a newbie? I'm pretty aware of my habits and I want
to maximize MPG.
4. Is the EV switch a good idea?
5. Is it possible to simply charge the batteries with a battery charger
thereby - using the ICE less?
Thanks in advance for any replies. This is a very helpful group.
David
Tomes - 11 May 2008 13:50 GMT
"D&LBusch" ...
> Hi Everyone,
> I've been lurking for awhile and just placed my order for a new Prius
> Package #2. I have a few question
>
> 1. I paid $23,900 - sticker here in the Northeast. Is this typical in
> today's market? I believe so.
Dunno about pricing these days. I have a package #2 and I love it.
> 2. Should I take the extended Toyota warranty? $1300 to bring the 36,000
> to 50,000 for 5 years?
My opinion is no - this is just more money that the dealer can make off of
you. This is a reliable car.
> 3. Any driving tips for a newbie? I'm pretty aware of my habits and I
> want to maximize MPG.
You can just get in it and drive it like a normal car and get very good
mileage, no problem there. However, there is a trick with your foot that
you can learn that will give you about 8 or 5 more MPG depending on a lot of
stuff. The thing is to train the foot so that it rests on the pedal just a
bit so it uses the electrics and not the gas motor at the right times. If
you push too hard it will use the gas. It takes a while to get good at
this. Depending upon terrain, you can use the electrics moreso than if you
'just drove it', and thus increase your MPG. This works on flat or
decending road portions and you can at least maintain your speed, and
increase it on downhills even. Just make sure that you do not hold up
traffic when doing this. We can discuss this further if you wish.
> 4. Is the EV switch a good idea?
You can get this now? (Perhaps you are not in the USA?) Absolutely get it.
There are many times that I want it to run EV when it just decides to use
gas. It will have the overrides to ensure that the car is not hurt.
> 5. Is it possible to simply charge the batteries with a battery charger
> thereby - using the ICE less?
When the car starts up it will use the gas engine for a while anyway to heat
up the emissions stuff as Toyota views the Prius' status as a non-polluter
as more important than a high MPG vehicle. So for the first few minutes the
battery is charging up anyway. I try to use up as much of the electrons as
possible before I turn it off because of this. I also find that I wish that
it would use the electrics more than it does as I have almost never had the
batery run down into the 'purple' zone where the engine comes on by itself
to recharge. (Thus my wish to have that EV switch.) My normal driving in
the hilly western NJ is such that the engine comes on plenty to get up hills
and start from stops that the battery is well tended. The only times I run
out the battery is when I sit in traffic and use the AC (which runs off the
electrice, not the engine directly). YMMV.
So, in the USA anyway, I do not believe it is possible on a stock Prius to
charge the batteries from house current, and I do not see the advantage it
would provide.
> Thanks in advance for any replies. This is a very helpful group.
> David
Michelle Steiner - 11 May 2008 14:43 GMT
> > 2. Should I take the extended Toyota warranty? $1300 to bring the
> > 36,000 to 50,000 for 5 years?
> My opinion is no - this is just more money that the dealer can make
> off of you. This is a reliable car.
Furthermore, if someone wants to buy an extended warranty, you can get
the max warranty (7 years, 100,000) miles for $995. I forget which
dealer offers it, but I'm sure that someone else here can supply that
information.
> > 4. Is the EV switch a good idea?
> You can get this now? (Perhaps you are not in the USA?) Absolutely
> get it. There are many times that I want it to run EV when it just
> decides to use gas. It will have the overrides to ensure that the
> car is not hurt.
It's still a third-party add on in the USA.

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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 11 May 2008 15:11 GMT
> 3. Any driving tips for a newbie? I'm pretty aware of my habits and I want
> to maximize MPG.
Drive it like normal, and be amazed.
Bob & Holly Wilson - 11 May 2008 15:43 GMT
> Hi Everyone,
> I've been lurking for awhile and just placed my order for a new Prius
> Package #2. I have a few question
>
> ....
> 3. Any driving tips for a newbie? I'm pretty aware of my habits and I want
I would recommend visiting these sites for Prius driving and maintenance
tips:
http://www.greenhybrid.com/
http://www.priuschat.com/
There are others but for hybrid and Prius specific information, these
are the top of my lists.
GOOD LUCK!
Bob Wilson
ps. I maintain: http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/55101-post1.html
Ike - 11 May 2008 16:31 GMT
> Hi Everyone,
> I've been lurking for awhile and just placed my order for a new Prius
> Package #2. I have a few question
>
> 1. I paid $23,900 - sticker here in the Northeast. Is this typical in
> today's market? I believe so.
It doesn't matter. Amortizing the difference between the
price you paid and what you might have paid shows that
the struggle for best price is meaningless. You will be
much happier bragging about your choosing skills rather
than your haggling skills.
> 2. Should I take the extended Toyota warranty? $1300 to bring the 36,000 to
> 50,000 for 5 years?
No. NO. !!! NO !!!
That is a terrible offer, and your dealer should be told
that it makes you suspicious of everything else he will
ever tell you. On priuschat or one of the other forums
you can get 100k/7y for under $1k. And check the
warranty on the hybrid system in your state - be amazed.
> 3. Any driving tips for a newbie? I'm pretty aware of my habits and I want
> to maximize MPG.
Read the forums - greenhybrid is a good source.
> 4. Is the EV switch a good idea?
Not if you install it yourself (voids the warranty).
Those who do so usually find it entertaining only for a
short while. The traction battery stores energy
equivalent to 3-4 ounces of gasoline. THIS IS NOT AN
ELECTRIC CAR.
> 5. Is it possible to simply charge the batteries with a battery charger
> thereby - using the ICE less?
THIS IS NOT AN ELECTRIC CAR.
The electric drive enables the Miller-cycle ICE to
provide acceleration that is acceptable to us (electric
motor has max torque at zero RPM). A Miller-cycle or
Atkinson-cycle engine has terrible low-end acceleration
but great economy once it gets going. The Prius hybrid
drive gives you the benefit of both. We must wait for at
least one more generation of Prius before we can begin
thinking of this as an "electric car charged by an
on-board ICE".
> Thanks in advance for any replies. This is a very helpful group.
> David
Shawn Hirn - 14 May 2008 01:47 GMT
> Hi Everyone,
> I've been lurking for awhile and just placed my order for a new Prius
> Package #2. I have a few question
>
> 1. I paid $23,900 - sticker here in the Northeast. Is this typical in
> today's market? I believe so.
I bought my 2008 Prius with package #2 in January for $22,400 in
Pennsylvania.
> 2. Should I take the extended Toyota warranty? $1300 to bring the 36,000 to
> 50,000 for 5 years?
Do what makes you sleep well at night. I opted not to buy an extended
warranty on my Prius.
> 3. Any driving tips for a newbie? I'm pretty aware of my habits and I want
> to maximize MPG.
Avoid stopping suddenly as much as possible. Gentle use of the breaks
allows for more time for them to regenerate the battery's power.
> 4. Is the EV switch a good idea?
Beats me. I have no idea what an EV switch is.
> 5. Is it possible to simply charge the batteries with a battery charger
> thereby - using the ICE less?
I don't know.
Chas Gill - 14 May 2008 10:11 GMT
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I've been lurking for awhile and just placed my order for a new Prius
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>> to
>> 50,000 for 5 years?
Here in the UK we have the option to extend the warranty at any time up to 3
years old. I intend to extend mine for 2 years before July, when the car
will be three years old. UK owners also have an 8 year/100k miles (I
think!) warranty on all the Hybrid components in addition to the 3 year
warranty on the rest. Given Toyota's reputation for reliability it may be
that the extension of the 3 year warranty for the regular bits might be a
waste of money, but I'm prepared to do this for a couple of years and see
what transpires.
> Do what makes you sleep well at night. I opted not to buy an extended
> warranty on my Prius.
>
>> 3. Any driving tips for a newbie? I'm pretty aware of my habits and I
>> want
>> to maximize MPG.
Leave it at home ;-). Seriously, though, there is a huge set of received
wisdom about tyre pressures, Prius "foot" and general driving style that can
be found here and on other sites (try Priuschat.com) if you really want to
be bothered. Personally, I find all of this a little tiresome after a while
and it detracts from my enjoyment of the car. Most of the suggestions are
no different than would apply to any car in terms of fuel economy, so by all
means practice such habits, but I remain doubtful about inflating tyres
beyond the manufacturer's recommended pressures and the so-called Prius
Foot" or pulse-glide technique is simply a pain in the butt for the driver
and those that have to follow. If I were you I'd just drive it and enjoy
it. The difference between your gas mileage doing this and doing all the
other stuff as well won't amount to more than a few mpg and I don't reckon
it's worth the bother, considering how much gas you'll likely save in any
case. The Prius was designed clever to take the grief away from you, the
driver. Why become an add-on engine management system?
> Avoid stopping suddenly as much as possible. Gentle use of the breaks
> allows for more time for them to regenerate the battery's power.
>
>> 4. Is the EV switch a good idea?
>
> Beats me. I have no idea what an EV switch is.
The EV switch does little more than "encourage" the car to use battery
traction when there is a power source choice that doesn't compromise the
Prius battery management systems. In practice (as has already been said)
this amounts to maybe a mile or so under 30mph on the flat with a trailing
wind and a warm engine. About the only practical purpose I've found for
mine is to creep away from the house quietly in the early morning and to
arrive quietly late at night. I still reckon it's only fitted in countries
that have tax laws that are advantageous for alternative fuel vehicles, in
that the EV switch theoretically throws the car into electric traction mode.
Beyond that it has very little practical value in everyday driving.
>> 5. Is it possible to simply charge the batteries with a battery charger
>> thereby - using the ICE less?
No. The Prius battery was never designed to be charged (ie managed) by
anything other than the on-board systems and to attempt to do so would
probably lead to an early death for the battery and give you no measurable
benefit in terms of mpg. The ICE will run anyway when it's cold, to rapid
heat the exhaust catalyser, thus reducing undesirable emissions more
quickly. Remember the Prius is a balanced package of innovation that not
only addresses gas consumption but also emissions control. It's all been
designed to work as an integrated whole and IMHO interference with this very
spohisticated group of systems is unwise. It is a fascinating piece of
machinery designed to work silently and unobtrusively at minimising your
impact on the environment and dwindling oil supplies. Be interested in it
by all means, as I am, but after three years I have found that the best way
to treat the car is to just get in it, drive it and enjoy it.
> I don't know.
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 14 May 2008 11:49 GMT
> >> 5. Is it possible to simply charge the batteries with a battery charger
> >> thereby - using the ICE less?
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> probably lead to an early death for the battery and give you no measurable
> benefit in terms of mpg.
In other words:
this is a gasoline car, people. The only form of energy that you, the
owner, put into the car is gasoline. Period. It is not an electric
car. Never was, never will be.
Chas Gill - 14 May 2008 14:50 GMT
>> >> 5. Is it possible to simply charge the batteries with a battery
>> >> charger
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> owner, put into the car is gasoline. Period. It is not an electric
> car. Never was, never will be.
Your words Elmo, not mine. The car generates it's own energy on
deceleration (actually claws back some of the energy used for acceleration)
and converts this to electrical energy stored in a battery. So, whilst what
you say is true, it is an economical truth in that it doesn't tell the whole
story. Although it may be a "gasoline" car it is a very efficient one and
gets more work done out of the gas than most other cars on the road, very
comfortably and with some style. This is it's real attraction. That it
does this using batteries is incidental.
Chas
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 14 May 2008 16:17 GMT
> > this is a gasoline car, people. The only form of energy that you, the
> > owner, put into the car is gasoline. Period. It is not an electric
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> you say is true, it is an economical truth in that it doesn't tell the whole
> story.
It doesn't have to tell the whole story.
How the system manages the energy that's put into it, is immaterial.
It's a gasoline car that uses advanced systems to manage the energy
better than other gasoline cars.
Regardless, the sole source of energy for the Prius is gasoline. It's a
gasoline car.
Chas Gill - 14 May 2008 19:42 GMT
>> > this is a gasoline car, people. The only form of energy that you, the
>> > owner, put into the car is gasoline. Period. It is not an electric
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> Regardless, the sole source of energy for the Prius is gasoline. It's a
> gasoline car.
And your point is...................?
bobbi@mail.org.nul - 14 May 2008 21:41 GMT
>>> > this is a gasoline car, people. The only form of energy that you, the
>>> > owner, put into the car is gasoline. Period. It is not an electric
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>>
>And your point is...................?
On top of his troll head, as usual...
richard schumacher - 27 May 2008 19:10 GMT
> 2. Should I take the extended Toyota warranty? $1300 to bring the 36,000 to
> 50,000 for 5 years?
No, it's a waste of money. See for example Consumer Report's
reliability guide. If you absolutely have to have one you can get it
anytime in the first 36,000 miles/36 months for $1000. See
http://www.priuschat.com
I get more "peace of mind" keeping that money in the bank.
> 3. Any driving tips for a newbie? I'm pretty aware of my habits and I want
> to maximize MPG.
The most effective ways of improving MPGs are to drive right and keep
the tires inflated:
- Don't speed. As with any car MPGs fall off fast above 65 MPH or so.
- Accelerate briskly (this makes most efficient use of the engine)
- Gliding (no arrows on the "Energy" display) is better than coasting
- Coasting is better than braking
- Braking is better than stopping
- Check tire pressures at least monthly. Also, many people inflate the
original tires to 42/40 PSI front/rear because it noticeably improves
MPGs.
> 4. Is the EV switch a good idea?
Not really. In the US it will void the warranty and for most drivers
will not noticeably improve MPGs.
> 5. Is it possible to simply charge the batteries with a battery charger
> thereby - using the ICE less?
We must be clear here. There are two battery systems:
- 12V used for booting up the computers and running certain fluid pumps
when you first turn the car ON
- 201V traction battery which is used for load leveling and running the
electric drive motors.
The 12V battery is easily accessible (jump point under the hood) for
external charging, but it contains so little energy that doing this will
not noticeably increase MPGs. The 201V traction battery is very much
and very deliberately *not* easily accessible. You can pay an
aftermarket company about $10,000 to convert a Prius into a plugin, but
this also voids the warranty.
Earle Jones - 11 Jun 2008 01:28 GMT
> Hi Everyone,
> I've been lurking for awhile and just placed my order for a new Prius
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> 2. Should I take the extended Toyota warranty? $1300 to bring the 36,000 to
> 50,000 for 5 years?
*
The 'platinum' extended warranty (7 years and 100,000 miles) is
available for about $1,000 from Troy Dietrich at Greenfield Toyota
(Michigan). Remember that you must buy this warranty before you have
36,000 miles on the car. The warranty is from Toyota and is good at any
Toyota dealer. Don't buy any third-party warranty!
Here is a letter I received from Troy Dietrich in October of '06:
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Here is all the basic info:
I am currently offering the Toyota Platinum 7 yr / 100,000 mile Extra
Care plan w/ $0 deductible for $990.00 on the Prius, which is the
longest plan available in both mileage and years.
Most of the details on the Extra Care plans can be found directly at
their website at the following link, including all the various terms and
options available, just let me know if you would like a quote on a
different plan.
http://www.toyotafinancial.com/pyv/extended_service_coverage/n_index.html
Here are the purchase instructions if / when you decide to purchase.
I would need you to mail me an original signed letter indicating the
exact current mileage on your vehicle, and a copy of your current
registration.(If you are in a state where you don't get your state
registration right away, I can also use a copy of the bill of sale,
purchase contract, or some other official document which shows the
owners name and address, along with the vehicles VIN)
Sorry, I know its a little inconvenient, but its the only way we could
come up to cover ourselves on the mileage and VIN verification. After I
receive your letter, I can call you for credit card info, if that's how
you choose to pay, or you can include a check, money order, or the
credit card info with it. Also, make sure that the registration copy is
legible (I have gotten a couple of them recently that I couldn't read or
had part of the VIN chopped off on the copy).
Mail to:
Toyota of Greenfield
12 Olive Street
Greenfield, MA 01301
Attn: Troy Dietrich
Please call or email me if you think of any more questions. The phone
number for Toyota of Greenfield is (413) 772-0231...or my new direct
line is (413) 772-0989.
Thanks,
Troy
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