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Car Forum / Toyota / Prius / July 2008

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Prius vs Camry hybrid

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Moe - 04 Jul 2008 14:37 GMT
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZWigWOB1IHo
 They like the Camry because it's bigger, has more power and seemed
more normal.
Was Istoben - 04 Jul 2008 14:48 GMT
>  http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZWigWOB1IHo
>  They like the Camry because it's bigger, has more power and seemed more
> normal.

I suppose that's why it costs more and wastes more fuel.  Either one will
take 5 people to work day after day.
Mike Rosenberg - 04 Jul 2008 15:54 GMT
>   They like the Camry because it's bigger, has more power and seemed
> more normal.

And what about mileage?  I'm getting 46 MPG overall in the 2004 Prius
for over 93K miles; I've been seeing 35 MPG is typical for the Camry
hybrid.

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Ike - 04 Jul 2008 17:02 GMT
A Chevrolet Tahoe is bigger, has more power, and by the
standards of a few years ago was more "normal".

Today's Prius provides the best combination of
performance, capacity, economy, safety, reliability, and
features. When a better combination reaches the market,
the name of that next-generation car will probably be
"the 2010 Prius".

>  http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZWigWOB1IHo
>  They like the Camry because it's bigger, has more power and seemed more
> normal.
Scott - 25 Jul 2008 00:48 GMT
I had a 2006 Prius that was, unfortunately, destroyed a couple of months
ago (comprehensive claim--I wasn't even in the car at the time).

While I waited for a new car, I had the chance to drive a HyCam for
quite a bit of the intervening months. I think I can give a pretty fair
evaluation.

Before anyone jumps on the positive things I have to say about the
HyCam, remember that I' now driving a Prius again, so know where my
loyalties lie.

Perhaps my #1 issue with the Prius is the seats. Just don't like 'em,
and I haven't found a good way to fix the deficiencies. Back in the
summer of '04, BP (Before [my] Prius), I drove cross country in a
'99 Solara. I absolutely would not want to attempt the same in the
Prius; in the latter, even shorter trips, say 500 miles round in 1-2
days, are quite uncomfortable. I'd love adjustable electric seats--or
even manually adjustable seats with more adjustment points, if it's a
weight issue. The Hycam seating is *much* more comfortable, and that's
not simply a luxury--I think good seats is important with something you
may well sit in for hours at a time, and the Prius has the worst seats
of any car I've owned since about 1990. The irony of this is that the
Prius's efficiency shines with pulse-and-glide driving--which would
*really* benefit from an adjustable seat bottom for more thigh support.

Noise. Wow, the HyCam is quieter. I can listen to the radio at much
lower settings in the HyCam than in the Prius (I listen to talk radio;
it's not a matter of thumping bass).

This is, I am certain, a function of sound insulation. I was startled to
find out how easily you can hear the Prius's sound system at even modest
volume levels (e.g., even under 20) if you're standing *outside* the car
with all the doors and windows closed.

The Camry is, basically, a more pleasant car to drive. I thought the
"more familiar layout" statement in the Edmunds video to be just silly.
I've had people sit in my Prius and state how they liked its layout
better; "because I'm more familiar with it" isn't in itself a good
enough reason.. Personally, I wish the MFD was a little less MF--I like
being able to change AC/Heat modes without messing with switching
screens.

HyCam trunkspace: pretty bad. Weekend for two at best.
Prius: bring a mattress for quick camping in back.

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Ike - 25 Jul 2008 02:41 GMT
> Perhaps my #1 issue with the Prius is the seats. Just don't like 'em,
> and I haven't found a good way to fix the deficiencies.

In 2004 a good friend wanted a Prius like mine but also
wanted a driver-side seat like that in his Porsche. We
found one in a junkyard, ripped up, for $70.

It took a while to fabricate the adaptation between the
bottom of the recycled seat and the Prius. We included
the power system, wiring it to the car. The nav system
was undisturbed. Works fine.

This was when leather was not a Toyota option. We had
leather installed in his whole car, including the "odd"
seat. It all matches and looks fine - and his Prius has
a power seat!

Ike
Scott - 26 Jul 2008 03:35 GMT
> In 2004 a good friend wanted a Prius like mine but also
> wanted a driver-side seat like that in his Porsche. We
> found one in a junkyard, ripped up, for $70.

Of course, you then give up the side airbag in the seat.

I'd considered the option (not Porsche, specifically), but decided that
losing an airbag wasn't a good compromise.

There was something in Priuschat a little while ago about Volvo seats in
a Prius:

http://priuschat.com/forums/prius-modifications/45487-operation-volvo-sea
ts-prius-7.html

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Pete Granzeau - 04 Jul 2008 19:08 GMT
>  http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZWigWOB1IHo
>  They like the Camry because it's bigger, has more power and seemed
>more normal.

(1) $2,775 more for the Camry.
(2) 11 mpg less on the highway.

Of COURSE it's bigger, more powerful.  It's in a different class.

Why didn't they compare a Maybach to a Yaris?  BIG difference, there.
Tomes - 04 Jul 2008 20:10 GMT
>>  http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZWigWOB1IHo
>>  They like the Camry because it's bigger, has more power and seemed
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>
> Why didn't they compare a Maybach to a Yaris?  BIG difference, there.

Yep.
Lu R - 07 Jul 2008 09:12 GMT
>  http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZWigWOB1IHo
>  They like the Camry because it's bigger, has more power and seemed more
> normal.

Id rather my 2004 Prius with a hatch than a Camry sedan anyday.
noname87@hotmail.com - 08 Jul 2008 20:41 GMT
What I don't get is why they didn't compare the Camry Hybrid to the
Camry. When I look at the cost difference between the Camry Hybrid
(27,500 MSRP) and a Camry (22,735 for LE with traction control), It
was roughly a 5000 difference. Consumer Reports reports a real world
combined MPG of 34 for the hybrid and 24 for the Camry. At $5 a gallon
the hybrid saves $6100 during the first 100K miles. Now if all the
mileage is highway, CR claims the hybrid yields 41 and the Camry
yields 36.  Hybrid saves $1700 over 100K. This is based on CR data.
Now factor in the fact that you should be able to  get the regular
Camry below MSRP. Does the Camry hybrid make sense? Yes it is greener
but from an economic point of view, I doesn't seem to be debatable.
Comments?

As for why compare the Camry to the Prius. Looking at the specs the
interior room is somewhat similar. The Camry has 2 more inches in
shoulder room in front and 3.5 in rear, 1.5 in leg room in front and 1
inch less in the rear. The usable trunk space is less in the Camry
Hybrid. Overall, The Camry would be a better 5 person car than the
Prius due to the rear shoulder room. I am 6' 6". Although the Camry
has more leg room, I find the Prius a better (although tight) fit
because the Camry center console limits my ability to bow my legs. My
daughter claims that the backseat has more legroom than my 95 Camry.
As for me, I would not want to be the third person in the back seat in
either car.

Overall, I think it is fair to compare the two cars size wise. If you
want more performance, slightly better crash safety and better seats
at the cost of mileage then the Camry Hybrid or the plain Camry might
be for you. If you want better gas mileage and can live with a smaller
back seat and less acceleration than the Prius might be a better fit.
Bob & Holly Wilson - 09 Jul 2008 09:12 GMT
> What I don't get is why they didn't compare the Camry Hybrid to the
> Camry. ...

Because there are ride characteristics that hybrids share not found in
ordinary gas engine vehicles. They are significantly quieter and
smoother than the gas equivalent and don't wear out as quickly as the
gas only vehicles. So instead of changing cars every 3-6 years, the
hybrids keep rolling on and on and on. There is a cost of replacing a
worn out, gas car more frequently than the hybrid.

Bob Wilson
noname87@hotmail.com - 10 Jul 2008 01:24 GMT
So instead of changing cars every 3-6 years, the
> hybrids keep rolling on and on and on. There is a cost of replacing a
> worn out, gas car more frequently than the hybrid.
>
> Bob Wilson

Bob,

I agree on some of your points. However my current Camrys (one has
130k, the other 110k) are still going strong after 13 years. Many
people claim the Camry is good for 200,000+. My only real issue at
this point is oil leaks. I am buying a Prius so I am NOT bashiong the
Prius. I happen to like it.  I just think gas Toyotas are more than
capable of lasting more than 3-6 year unless you are a real road
warrior.
Bob & Holly Wilson - 11 Jul 2008 09:36 GMT
> I agree on some of your points. However my current Camrys (one has
> 130k, the other 110k) are still going strong after 13 years. Many
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> capable of lasting more than 3-6 year unless you are a real road
> warrior.

We had a '91 Camry with nearly 180,000 miles on the odometer when we
lost it in an accident and replaced it will a used '03 Prius. Since
then, I've occasion to observe the differences.

The Prius engine works much less than the Camry engine. At speeds under
42 mph, I typically use 38 mph on city streets, the engine is off at
least 1/3d of the time and off upon coming to a stop and when stopped.
On the highway, the engine also loafs and getting +54 MPG at 65 mph when
I could only get ~38 MPG with the Camry.

The less stress, the longer the drivetrain and engine last and that
pattern is quite evident with the Prius. There is nothing wrong with a
Camry, it just comes from a different technological generation.

Bob Wilson
David Kelly - 10 Jul 2008 02:51 GMT
>> What I don't get is why they didn't compare the Camry Hybrid to the
>> Camry. ...
>
> Because there are ride characteristics that hybrids share not found in
> ordinary gas engine vehicles.

I thought Bob was going to point out the standard and hybrid Camry's
ride better than a Prius.

There is no need to apologize for the way the Prius rides. Its a good,
controlled, and safe ride. Its not plush. I had a 2000 Avalon XLS which
was too plush. Like my 2007 Prius ride better.
 
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