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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Trucks / April 2004

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Thanks Roger, again...  Starter going "Click-Click"

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RedForeman ?? - 27 Apr 2004 15:17 GMT
Guys, I've been a yota nut for years, although I may not post here very
often, I can surely say this is a great group, nice bunch of guys... As
such, I must thank Roger Brown, for yet, another wonderful service he's done
"us" yoters....

Recently I had the "click-click" problem with a starter on my 98 Taco.
Never having been abandoned, I knew it was coming... So, I ordered the parts
from Roger, didn't know what I needed, just knew that he had them, I needed
them... So I ordered the full set, A,B,C,D...

After beating the ground a hundred times, wondering how the starter comes
off, I sat down, took my p/r tire off, and stretched the brake line, and it
was easy as pie.... Popped off the solenoid cap, inspected the copper
contacts, or what was left of them... Matched up as close as possible, the
one I had OEM was much longer, but close enough for me... mounted them, and
then a buddy of mine showed up... Told me not to install it without having
it tested first... the next morning.  So I waited... The funny part, my drew
14amps, and a reman off the shelf only pulled 12amps... My 6 year old,
factory TOYOTA starter, was _STILL_ stronger, more powerful than the brand
new, freshly rebuilt stock unit off the shelf.. that was funny.. So all is
good, I installed the starter in 45m and had it running 20m later....

All that for $10 or so?  Roger, I'll be sending the ones I didn't use back,
ain't in no hurry 'bout it though.... Thanks man....

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is that better??

Roger Brown - 27 Apr 2004 17:22 GMT
"RedForeman ©®" wrote:

> Guys, I've been a yota nut for years, although I may not post here very
> often, I can surely say this is a great group, nice bunch of guys... As
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> new, freshly rebuilt stock unit off the shelf.. that was funny.. So all is
> good, I installed the starter in 45m and had it running 20m later....

Exactly why you want to repair and retain the original starter, they work better than the rebuilt units do.

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RedForeman ?? - 28 Apr 2004 16:09 GMT
>> Matched up as close as possible, the one I had OEM was much longer, but
>> close enough for me... mounted them, and then a buddy of mine showed
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Exactly why you want to repair and retain the original starter, they
> work better than the rebuilt units do.

Hey Roger, wanna see what came off mine?? They are different, only in length
of the curve..  I admittedly worried at first about that, but then realize
if it's only 3/16ths longer, the contact IS there, so the length may not be
an issue... just a thought...

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RedForeman ??  future fabricator and creator of a ratbike
streetfighter!!! ==========================
2003 TRX450ES
1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale)
'98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted....
==========================
???`???,???,???`???,???,???`???,??,???`???,???,???`???,??,???`???

is that better??

Roger Brown - 28 Apr 2004 17:27 GMT
"RedForeman ©®" wrote:

> > "RedForeman ©®" wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> if it's only 3/16ths longer, the contact IS there, so the length may not be
> an issue... just a thought...

I think you can get slightly different length contacts (same general shape) with different contact mfgs., as the aftermarket mfgs. make contacts to fit multiple applications, so likely make them to fit a wider variety of starters to keep the number of
different parts to a minimum.  Its also possible in some cases to install a different shape contact if space permits.  As long as it makes a good contact, the exact shape is not all that important, the extra metal may give a few percent more contact life,
but that might be the difference of 200K miles vs. 190K miles of use or whatever.

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RedForeman ?? - 28 Apr 2004 21:10 GMT
>> Hey Roger, wanna see what came off mine?? They are different, only
>> in length of the curve..  I admittedly worried at first about that,
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> few percent more contact life, but that might be the difference of
> 200K miles vs. 190K miles of use or whatever.

Ok, didn't really think it mattered as long as there was contact... Thanks
again....

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RedForeman ??  future fabricator and creator of a ratbike
streetfighter!!! ==========================
2003 TRX450ES
1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale)
'98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted....
==========================
???`???,???,???`???,???,???`???,??,???`???,???,???`???,??,???`???

is that better??

Roger Brown - 29 Apr 2004 16:01 GMT
"RedForeman ©®" wrote:
> Ok, didn't really think it mattered as long as there was contact... Thanks
> again....

On some starters, there is lots of room for contacts.  For example on my '85/22RE starter, you could run contacts that span nearly 1/2 the circumference of the solenoid, yet there were only the smallest contacts in there from the factory.  I think in
later years, they tried putting in larger contacts to increase the surface area but there was more "stuff" inside the solenoid on some models, so this limited how large the contacts could be.  

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LisalouLiLRed - 27 Apr 2004 23:41 GMT
Roger definitely knows his starters! :-)
 
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