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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Trucks / October 2004

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Tundra vs Titan ?

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J.Smith - 02 Oct 2004 00:09 GMT
As long as we are comparing Toyotas with Nissans (I saw a trhead: Tacoma vs.
Frontier), could we compare the Tundra and Titan as well? I am a current
Tundra owner, and a happy one at that, but still want to know if something
better exists.
Dave Stone - 02 Oct 2004 04:21 GMT
> As long as we are comparing Toyotas with Nissans (I saw a trhead: Tacoma vs.
> Frontier), could we compare the Tundra and Titan as well? I am a current
> Tundra owner, and a happy one at that, but still want to know if something
> better exists.

The US-built Nissans have some QC issues. Things like loose interior
fitments and paint imperfections. Example:
http://www.aiada.org/article.asp?id=21080

On paper the Titan looks great, but they still have to work the bugs out
across their product line.
kkweaver - 02 Oct 2004 04:44 GMT
They all have problems.
My 01 4X4 Tacoma had its share as well.
Almost called Toyota on the lemon law when I first bought it.
They took care of it, but they all have there share.

> > As long as we are comparing Toyotas with Nissans (I saw a trhead: Tacoma
> vs.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> On paper the Titan looks great, but they still have to work the bugs out
> across their product line.
Dave Stone - 02 Oct 2004 05:40 GMT
> They all have problems.
> My 01 4X4 Tacoma had its share as well.
> Almost called Toyota on the lemon law when I first bought it.
> They took care of it, but they all have there share.

This can be true of all vehicles, yes, but you basically ignored what the
story was getting at. So far the then-new 2004 models from Nissan - Quest,
Titan and Armada fared worse than average in recent quality rankings.

From the article:

http://wardsauto.com/ar/auto_nissan_tries_right/

All five models produced at the Canton facility: the Nissan Titan pickup,
Armada SUV, Quest minivan, Altima sedan and Infiniti QX56 SUV, have been
criticized for poor quality, and Nissan North America Inc. scored an
uncharacteristically low score of 154 in the most recent J.D. Power &
Associates' Initial Quality Survey rankings of '04 models, an 8% falloff
from '03-model scores.

"Nissan's Titan, Pathfinder Armada and the new Quest minivan all experienced
worse than industry average problems," a J.D. Power official said at the
release of the IQS findings. (See related story: Power: Industry Quality
Rises, Michigan Plants Shine)
Ron Miller - 02 Oct 2004 07:32 GMT
> They all have problems.
> My 01 4X4 Tacoma had its share as well.
> Almost called Toyota on the lemon law when I first bought it.
> They took care of it, but they all have there share.

Are Japanese built Toy trucks still being imported?  I was getting ready to
go and take a serious look at the new Tacoma, but I've got this nagging
worry cause it's being built in the US.  A second strike strike against it
is that it's being built in the joint toyota/general motors factory.....  
kkweaver - 02 Oct 2004 13:15 GMT
I've been told there made, In Compton, Calif.

> > They all have problems.
> > My 01 4X4 Tacoma had its share as well.
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> worry cause it's being built in the US.  A second strike strike against it
> is that it's being built in the joint toyota/general motors factory.....
Ken Shelton - 02 Oct 2004 16:54 GMT
Tacomas have been built in Fremont, California, for many years.  Do a Google
search for NUMMI.
Ken

> I've been told there made, In Compton, Calif.
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> > worry cause it's being built in the US.  A second strike strike against it
> > is that it's being built in the joint toyota/general motors factory.....
xxx - 02 Oct 2004 04:40 GMT
"J.Smith" <none@none.com> sez:

> As long as we are comparing Toyotas with Nissans (I saw a trhead: Tacoma vs.
> Frontier), could we compare the Tundra and Titan as well? I am a current
> Tundra owner, and a happy one at that, but still want to know if something
> better exists.

I was waiting for the Tundra D-cab and the Titan to come out to make a buy
decision.  Before either of them showed up on the local lots, I took an
Armada out for a test drive.  Nice engine with lots of torque and power but
I hated the stupid dash.  The damn thing looks like an aircraft carrier deck
stuck out in front of you and it catches sunlight an throws it up into the
windshield for mondo glare in the day.

Plus, while going down the highway at 75 mph, the sun visors and whole
headliner where bouncing up and down making a
whubba-whubba-whubba-whubba-whubba noise even with all the windows up tight.
I was unimpressed.

Then, when I read that the Titan 4-door didn't even have a 6 ft. bed on it,
that cinched the deal for the Tundra (I camp/sleep in the back on dirtbike
trips).  Toss in the known quantity and reliability of the Toyota
engine/tranny combo compared to a brand new design in the Titan not tested
by time yet, I made the right move ...
J.Slater - 09 Oct 2004 04:32 GMT
> "J.Smith" <none@none.com> sez:
>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> engine/tranny combo compared to a brand new design in the Titan not tested
> by time yet, I made the right move ...

I to was planning on waiting for the Titan before I decided to go with the
Tundra.  My biggest beef with Nissan was a recent snafu on their part in
regards to a Frontier I have.  They basically told me to go and $%# myself
with a paint issue that all their reps said was a coverable fault. Took
Nissan Motor Co. a full year to deny my claim, all the while telling me it
was covered.  After several certified letters that were just given
lipservice, I sued, and won. I won the suit, they lost a customer forever.

Having said all this, I've never owned a Toyota and was skeptical about
their true quality, as I'd heard several reports indicating a general
decline in their overall quality, especially with the US built units. So, I
did test drive, extensively, used and new full size trucks (gas engines
only, 4X4 and at least 4-door access cabs) and deliberately left the Titan
and the Tundra for last. I drove the Tundra first, as it was on the first
along the highway before the Nissan dealer and I was not expecting to be so
impressed.  I was not expecting a Lexus-smooth V8/tranny and just a stunning
overall package. I tore myself from the Toyota dealer making sure they knew
I was going to Nissan to test drive the Titan before I decided on anything
and they were throwing all sorts of offers/incentives to me that my head
spun. I left anyhow, and I'm glad I did.

Titan was impressive in size, quite larger appearing than the Tundra, but
that was a negative for me. Already the Tundra was bigger than I really
wanted, but there was no way a Tacoma, even the crew cab version, was ever
going to accomodate the once-in-a-great-while needed six passenger capacity
that the Tundra had (wouldn't want to cramp some big fellows in the back for
very long though).  The horsepower/torque figures are impressive as well,
along with the estimated EPA mileage figures which make more power while
actually besting the Toyota's highest MPG by 1mpg.  The price was right too.
I really thought I was set to buy another Nissan, bad previous experience
notwithstanding.  This all changed during the test drive. Rattles,
"whump-whump" sound while rolling, I was starting to get a vivid reminder of
all the niggling little defects I'd learned to put up with on the Frontier.
I drove 2 other Titans that day, and they were all consistently poor
quality...compared to the Toyota only, mind you.

Sad but true, even though the US domestics seem to be really making great
strides in quality/durability/reliability, none, not even the $35,000+
models from Ford, seemed to be even in the same class of quality as the
Nissan/Toyota's. Don't hate me domestic owners for saying this. You know
it's the truth.  It's your money, mine is mine too.

Anyhow, the Tundra now has 20,000+ and I've been the most satisfied that
I've ever been with a pickup, ever.  I'll let you know when I reach 200,000.
I have no doubts it'll make it there and beyond.

Good luck
Ken Shelton - 02 Oct 2004 16:56 GMT
Among other things, the Titan is a true full-sized half-ton pickup.  My
Tundra is about a 7/8ths full size.  I'll prefer Toyota quality until I see
Nissan surpass it.
Ken

> As long as we are comparing Toyotas with Nissans (I saw a trhead: Tacoma vs.
> Frontier), could we compare the Tundra and Titan as well? I am a current
> Tundra owner, and a happy one at that, but still want to know if something
> better exists.
FCGrabo - 03 Oct 2004 07:01 GMT
Why don't you post a message on the Nissan message board?... the Titan
message board?

Gasp! Is there such a thing? That's where all your answers would be.

IMHO.. the Titans are too much front end robot look, and the cab
profile is, for me, too square.

I think that in a couple of years, the Titan will learn from its
mistakes and finally become a player in the full-sized truck market.

fcg
TundraOwner2002 - 18 Oct 2004 01:27 GMT
>I'll prefer Toyota quality until I see
>Nissan surpass it.
>Ken

I don't think that will ever happen.  Nissan quality has always been a little
slip-shod compared to Toyota's, IMO.

>Among other things, the Titan is a true full-sized half-ton pickup.  My
>Tundra is about a 7/8ths full size.

Just wait until the next-gen Tundra, I heard it's going to be a "true"
full-sized truck.  Until then, I'm quite happy with my "seven-eighths"
full-sized 2002 Tundra.
 
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