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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Trucks / November 2004

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Heat Problem

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Jack - 27 Nov 2004 18:56 GMT
My heater doesn't seem to work right on my 85 22RE Pickup.  If I just let
it idle to warm up it doesn't get very warm at all.  If I drive it and get
the RPM's up to 2000 or so it does get warm but never hot.  
The needle on the temp guage goes up to about 1/3 of the way to the red
but never farther.  I tried putting some cardboard in front of the
radiator but that didn't help much until I drove 20 miles or so down the
freeway, at which point the needle did go up almost to the red zone and
the temperature at the outlets did get pretty hot but I was afraid that it
was going to overheat so I took the cardboard out and went back to the
lukewarm air.
Does this sound like a thermostat problem?  I stuck a thermometer in the
radiator yesterday and the water is getting up to about 175 degrees.  
Would a new 191 degree thermostat actually get the radiator water up to
191 degrees and would that extra 15-20 degrees make a noticible difference
in the amount of heat coming from the heat outlets?
Any recommendations???
TIA.
JM
Roger Brown - 27 Nov 2004 20:34 GMT
> My heater doesn't seem to work right on my 85 22RE Pickup.  If I just let
> it idle to warm up it doesn't get very warm at all.  If I drive it and get
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> TIA.
> JM

I run a 190F/88C t-stat in my '85 and I get lots of heat (no overheating
either):
    http://www.4Crawler.com/4x4/CheapTricks/index.shtml#Thermostat

Also, you might try back flushing the heater core, pull the hoses at the
firewall, shove a garden hose nozzle up the outlet line, run water through for
a minute or so, then run water in the inlet hose for a while too, until it runs
nice and clear.  Check the heater control valve to make sure its not clogged
and that it opens and closes fully with the heater temperature control cable.

Do you hear and gurgling sounds when the heater is on and you rev the engine?
Might have an air pocket in there, make sure and get all the air out of the
system.  If the gurgle remains, you might have a head gasket leak.

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  Roger
rj - 27 Nov 2004 22:09 GMT
How old is the thermostat?  They're cheap and easy to replace.  That would
be the first place I'd look.  Had a similar problem in my '87 4Runner, my
son put a thermostat in backwards.  After about 4 or 5 months I had the same
symptoms you're describing.
RJ
> My heater doesn't seem to work right on my 85 22RE Pickup.  If I just let
> it idle to warm up it doesn't get very warm at all.  If I drive it and get
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> TIA.
> JM
Bruce L. Bergman - 28 Nov 2004 00:05 GMT
>My heater doesn't seem to work right on my 85 22RE Pickup.  If I just let
>it idle to warm up it doesn't get very warm at all.  If I drive it and get
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>in the amount of heat coming from the heat outlets?
>Any recommendations???

 Go to the dealer and pick up a fresh thermostat, it will probably be
a 194F unit.  And will only be a couple dollars more than the generic.

 Taking the thermostat out or leaving a bad one (failed open) is
actually bad for the truck, since the engine never warms up the EFI
runs rich in 'open loop' and your fuel mileage will suck.  Can toast
the catalytic converter.

 If someone put a 180F thermostat in the truck thinking "cooler is
better" (which it isn't) the engine will warm up and go into
closed-loop, but wont be operating in the optimum range.  On most
properly set-up Toyotas, the temp gauge will go to straight-up middle
and stay there like it's bolted down (1/8" movement max).  If it
moves, you've got problems somewhere.

We hear about a lot of aftermarket t-stats that don't work right,
even when new.  Not sure why, but there's a design issue somewhere
when they try to build a "universal" part versus Toyota-specific.
Jack of All Trades, Master of None...

     --<< Bruce >>--

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