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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Trucks / September 2005

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Front brake pad longevity 2002 Toyota 4-runner

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hombrewdude - 23 Sep 2005 14:16 GMT
I have a 2002 4-runner sport SR5 with towing package.

I thought it was supposed to have upgraded brakes (not sure)

My truck has 48k and the front brakes look good still.

Whats the average life?

Any hints on how to change them?

I loosened the 2 of the caliper bolts, and fluid started leaking..
These are nothing like previous brake work I have done.
Ken Shelton - 23 Sep 2005 17:23 GMT
> I have a 2002 4-runner sport SR5 with towing package.
>
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> I loosened the 2 of the caliper bolts, and fluid started leaking..
> These are nothing like previous brake work I have done.

Yep, never loosen those bolts.

Pad life varies greatly with the driving habits and traffic
conditions of the driver.  There is no way to estimate someone
else's pad life.

Don't the pads just slip out after the retainers are removed?

Ken
hombrewdude - 23 Sep 2005 17:30 GMT
I will have to check that..

I sometimes pull a small camper with the truck.

When the brakes heat up they sometimes have some chatter.
Probably warped rotors.
I bought new rotors, so I need to change the pads and the rotors...

I need to find a book!
Jeff Strickland - 23 Sep 2005 19:10 GMT
>I will have to check that..
>
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>
> I need to find a book!

Yes, you do.
Jeff Strickland - 23 Sep 2005 19:09 GMT
If fluid came out, you didn't loosen the caliper bolts.

>I have a 2002 4-runner sport SR5 with towing package.
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I loosened the 2 of the caliper bolts, and fluid started leaking..
> These are nothing like previous brake work I have done.
Ken Shelton - 25 Sep 2005 23:03 GMT
> If fluid came out, you didn't loosen the caliper bolts.
>
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>> I loosened the 2 of the caliper bolts, and fluid started leaking..
>> These are nothing like previous brake work I have done.

Loosening the bolts that hold the two halves of the caliper together
will allow fluid to leak out.
hombrewdude - 26 Sep 2005 18:58 GMT
I found that out...

so how do I replace the rotor then?
qslim - 26 Sep 2005 23:57 GMT
The caliper itself is held on the steering knuckle by two 17mm bolts. Once
the bolts are out, you can slide the caliper off the rotor, and the rotor
pops right off the hub. If you are in to doing basic stuff like this
yourself, grab a Chilton. It's a must have for doing little simple (yet
critical) things like brake work!
hombrewdude - 27 Sep 2005 01:31 GMT
I have done many brakes before on american cars... I never seen one
like this.
Chilton does not make a book for my 2002 truck.. I checked.

Are my brakes different cause it was the towing package?
My rims are 16"
Bruce L. Bergman - 27 Sep 2005 05:09 GMT
>I have done many brakes before on american cars... I never seen one
>like this.
>Chilton does not make a book for my 2002 truck.. I checked.

 You might have to break down and get the Toyota Factory Service
Manual set from the dealer.  They are hellaciously expensive when
compared to Chilton or Haynes, but the best and most accurate repair
books I have ever worked with.

 You'll get your payback for them the first problem you solve (like
how your front brakes come apart) and you'll get a chunk of it back
again in resale value by passing the books on to the new owner when
you sell the car.

>Are my brakes different cause it was the towing package?
>My rims are 16"

 Might be, but I don't know.  (I have a LandCruiser with the 4-piston
fixed calipers.)  They are more than likely different between the 2WD
and 4WD versions of the truck.  That might be a case of 'plop them on
the dealer parts counter and see what the parts man says.'

     --<< Bruce >>--

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hombrewdude - 27 Sep 2005 14:44 GMT
The books are $129 each and there are 2 of them..

I don't mind spending the money on a repair book, since I do everything
myself...  But I didn't know how detailed the factory books were...
Jeff Strickland - 27 Sep 2005 18:41 GMT
> The books are $129 each and there are 2 of them..
>
> I don't mind spending the money on a repair book, since I do everything
> myself...  But I didn't know how detailed the factory books were...

Very.

If you do your own work, you NEED the factory shop manuals. I have it for my
Jeep, and it's WONDERFUL. I can't imagine doing the work without it. The
pictures are, "your framis looks like this," where the Hanyes or Chilton
say, "your framis looks kinda like this," but the framis they are showing
doesn't even begin to approach the part you have in your hand.

If one is inclined to buy a manual, they should buy the factory shop manual
and not even consider Hanyes or Chilton.
davidj92 - 27 Sep 2005 22:54 GMT
> The books are $129 each and there are 2 of them..
>
> I don't mind spending the money on a repair book, since I do
> everything myself...  But I didn't know how detailed the factory
> books were...

Check eBay if you don't need them in a hurry, they have a wide selection for
various models and are usually at a good price. I've bought 3 new factory
sets there at a lot less than dealer.
HTH, davidj92
Bruce L. Bergman - 28 Sep 2005 06:41 GMT
>The books are $129 each and there are 2 of them..
>
>I don't mind spending the money on a repair book, since I do everything
>myself...  But I didn't know how detailed the factory books were...

A typical Chilton or Haynes repair book literally guesses at how the
car goes together - they take a photographer, a book writer, and a
mechanic, they buy one example car of that model, and partially take
it apart while taking pictures.  (Then they put the car back together
and sell it.)  Unless someone clues them in on a detail, they ASSUME
that all the cars in the covered model year range are all built like
that one example.

 They have no idea about running changes between model years or other
details like.  They can't have access to or copy the Toyota drawings
or paperwork outright, because that would be a copyright violation.

 The Toyota books are written by Toyota paid technical writers - and
if there are any questions, they walk across the hall and ask the
Toyota engineers that built the car for the wiring diagrams, exploded
assembly drawings, troubleshooting diagrams and other data that they
wrote up while designing the car.  They have full access, no guessing.

 The TFRM are detailed enough that you can do practically anything
given time, patience, and access to the proper tools - if anything,
they're TOO detailed, which can be both good and bad...  ;-)

 Oh, and another note on that 'Proper Tools' line - if the manual
calls for a Special Service Tool, most of the time that can be done
with an industry standard tool from your local Snap-On or MAC dealer,
or a quality auto parts supplier.  You might spend $50 or $100 on
special brake tools before you do your first brake job, but the next
time they're "free" because you already have them.

 A two-post car lift is handy if you have the scratch ($2K up)  to
install one in your garage (and necessary if you want to swap
transmissions at home) but you can do just fine with a good full-size
floor trolley jack, a set of wheel ramps and a set of jackstands.

 And tools are there for the long haul - don't waste your money
buying crap.  Good tools can be handed down for several generations,
bad tools can break the first time you use them.  There are good
mid-priced ones (Craftsman, Husky, Kobalt, Stanley) if you are on a
budget, but avoid stuff from the 99c Bargain Bin that will not last.

 And don't be afraid to ask the Snap-On Man (or the other route
service tool companies) for a cash discount, because they normally
figure the "Free Financing" into their posted prices for beginning
mechanics buying a full $10K to $20K+ toolbox and set of tools on
credit.  TANSTAAFL - they have to pay those finance charges somehow.

 And now you know why mechanics don't normally loan out tools - they
have a hell of an investment tied up in that little rolling box.

    --<< Bruce >>--

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Jeff Strickland - 27 Sep 2005 16:01 GMT
>>I have done many brakes before on american cars... I never seen one
>>like this.
>>Chilton does not make a book for my 2002 truck.. I checked.
>
>  You might have to break down and get the Toyota Factory Service
> Manual set from the dealer.

... which is a MUCH better choice, by the way.
Jeff Strickland - 27 Sep 2005 16:00 GMT
>> If fluid came out, you didn't loosen the caliper bolts.
>>
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> Loosening the bolts that hold the two halves of the caliper together will
> allow fluid to leak out.

Sure, but those aren't the bolts that hold the caliper to the hub assembly,
and hence are not the "caliper bolts".
 
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