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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Trucks / February 2007

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88 SR5 V6 4x4 Clutch Woes

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sr5@aol.com - 31 Jan 2007 17:49 GMT
I have a 88 SR5 4 x 4 with the 3.0 liter V6 in it. Recently, I found
that my clutch pedal was sticking to the floor once engage. I
inspected the master cylinder and the slave cylinder and found that
both needed to be replaced. The master would not hold any fluid what
so ever and the slave looked as if it had worked beyond its agreement
with the master cylinder. I replaced both of them myself with rebuilt
ones that I obtained from a famous auto parts store. The R&R on both
of those took me about 2 hours even though I have never done anything
like that. During the process of pouring fluid into the master
reservoir the cardboard top, that sets on the bottle of the brake
fluid bottle came off and fell inside the reservoir. I did not see
this happen. After about 10 hours of banging my head against the wall
as to why I could not get any pressure in the system, I finally
started to check the system for leaks. As my luck (or lack of it)
played, the inside of the reservoir was the last place I looked. Once
I found this trash inside the reservoir I removed it, and within 5
minutes I had a working clutch system.

No one could tell me to look there in the reservoir for something
blocking the flow the of the fluid. But the symptoms where obvious
that something was not allowing the fluid to flow all the way through
the system to the slave cylinder.

Every thing was great for a couple of days until somehow air got back
into the system which left me with a spongy / sticky feeling clutch. I
bleed the system once more to satisfactory pressure retention in the
system. Again that service lasted only a few more days.

There most be a leak somewhere. But where? I have checked all the
clutch lines, including those two rubber hose sections. They all seem
fine, but do show signs of wear. One of the rubber hoses where it
connects to lower portion of the metal line that gos into the slave
cylinder looks a little odd. But it does not leak in my test.

Regarding that section of the rubber hose I am trying to figure out
how the system works. I am not a mechanic, but I am a engineer. I
wonder if once the system comes up to pressure, i.e, using the clutch
to shift the gears in city driving, that the hose can no longer handle
the pressure and it starts to leak out. How do these things work?

I mention this as there is a leak. I get fluid on the driveway after I
have been using the clutch while driving the truck for a while. If I
just start up the truck and leave it running, I get no fluid coming
out. It is difficult to tell, if it is hydraulic fluid or oil as the
transmission is covered in both. I spent 100.00 on paying someone to
pressure wash it for me under there and to have them try to find a
leak. They put in a new bolt, but the leak is still there.

Could this mean, that my rear main seal is gone? If so, does that have
any relationship to the way my clutch system loses pressure. Or could
it mean that I have a leak in the power steering unit? What else could
be leaking.

I have had this truck since it was new I had to replace the engine
about 3 years ago do to a head gasket failure. At that time, my
mechanic replaced, the water pump, clutch, through out bearing, etc. I
use the truck on the farm so it does have some value to me. I pull a
two thousand pound trailer with it on occasion loaded with 1000 pounds
of livestock. Never very far and on flat farm roads only.

What do you folks think the problem is?
Joseph Myers - 01 Feb 2007 01:53 GMT
>I have a 88 SR5 4 x 4 with the 3.0 liter V6 in it. Recently, I found
>that my clutch pedal was sticking to the floor once engage. I
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>What do you folks think the problem is?
Just my thoughts, if you replaced both the MC and the SC, then then
only thing that I can see might be leaking is at the tubing
connectors, or a hole in the tubing itself. The only other thing I can
think of right off is that I never buy rebuilt parts, half the time
they are in no better shape than what you took off. Trace the leak, if
it is coming down from the firewall area, it is the plunger seal on
the rebuilt MC. if is in the area of the SC, then it is bad. Hydraulic
or brake fluid has a distinct oder, unlike motor oil, sniff the can or
bottle.  JMTCW (1999 TACO 4x4 SR5 that beendown to the bottom of the
GC)
al - 01 Feb 2007 02:13 GMT
On Jan 31, 12:49 pm, "s...@aol.com" <sheepdogtr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a 88 SR5 4 x 4 with the 3.0 liter V6 in it. Recently, I found
> that my clutch pedal was sticking to the floor once engage. I
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>
> What do you folks think the problem is?

First, is the fluid level in the clutch resevoir going down?  If so,
then you probably do have a leak and the fluid on the driveway is
hydraulic fluid.  I suspect, however, that the fluid level is staying
constant or has just gone down a little.  Therefore, the leak on the
driveway is something else, possibly the rear seal as you propose.

  The loss of hydraulic pressure, then, is due to an internal leak in
either the slave cylinder or, much more likely, the master cylinder.
If the rebulid only replaced the internal seals on the old piston and
did not thoroughly hone the bore, the seal can easily fail again.
Fluid gets past the seal into another part of the cylinder.  Bleeding
will help initially but eventually won't help anymore.  There is no
hydraulic pressure and no external leak.  All you can do is replace
the master cylinder.  It might be wise to replace the rubber hoses too
if you have doubts about them.  They can deteriorate internally and
release bits of rubber into the fluid which hastens system failure.
The rubber hoses are necessary to permit flexibility in the fluid line
in order to allow relative motion between the drive train, to which
the clutch is attached, and the vehicle body, to which the master
cylinder is attached.  Good luck.  Al
Speedy Pete - 03 Feb 2007 01:27 GMT
You got a crappy clutch master cylinder. Take it off and get another one
OR better yet, get a better known brand.

In the past I have had a LOT of trouble with Autozone master cylinders
and will not ever use them again.

Typically I do my own rebuilds but if the parts are badly worn or the
rebuild kit is the same or more than the rebuilt part, I'll go with the
rebuild.

-SP

> I have a 88 SR5 4 x 4 with the 3.0 liter V6 in it. Recently, I found
> that my clutch pedal was sticking to the floor once engage. I
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> What do you folks think the problem is?
 
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