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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Trucks / February 2007

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22RE Timing Chain

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Paul - 07 Feb 2007 21:25 GMT
I was researching a problem with my 22RE engine and found this group.
My problem appears to be a common one;  the timing chain has worn a
hole in the cover.  The shop where I took it has told me that I'd be
better off either junking the truck or going w/ a reman engine.  Any
advice from someone who has been there would be appreciated.

The truck has 210k miles on it, but I have only owned it for the last
6 months.  I was on the way to work the other day when it stalled out
at idle.  It started right back up, but ran rough.  I drove it a total
of about 5 miles in that condition.  According to the mechanic, I
didn't damage the valves (chain didn't break), but he thinks with the
mileage that I'd be throwing money away by replacing the cover and
chain.

Thanks,
Paul
Mike - 08 Feb 2007 01:18 GMT
> I was researching a problem with my 22RE engine and found this group.
> My problem appears to be a common one;  the timing chain has worn a
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> Thanks,
> Paul

 That's a good question but really hard to answer. What condition is the
rest of the truck in ?  How much is the repair going to cost ? Can you
purchase another vehicle for the price of the repair ?

 If the truck is in good condition and well maintained it may be a good
idea to have it repaired. While you are doing the timing chain and cover
remove the cylinder head and have a valve job done. It might be a pricy
repair but you shouldn't have any more engine problems.

Depending on the cost of repair you may be able to purchase another vehicle
for less money. If you purchase another vehicle it may need just as much
work as the one you have now. Then you would be out the money for a second
vehicle and repair costs.
Bill Hall - 08 Feb 2007 04:18 GMT
Attn: Mike

Have you ever ACTUALLY replaced a timing chain, without removing the head?
Also, the oil pan! Head item aside, how do you check (remove) any broken
gasket material and junk (metal particles ) that most likely have been
ground up and will wind up in the oil  pan and subsequent pump!!. Maybe I
have done the last two the wrong way............

Might add, that the cost of the repair, if done by the OP (with help) should
not be much over $400.00, far less than the cost of a new truck!

Just my .02

Bill

>> I was researching a problem with my 22RE engine and found this group.
>> My problem appears to be a common one;  the timing chain has worn a
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> work as the one you have now. Then you would be out the money for a second
> vehicle and repair costs.
Mike - 08 Feb 2007 16:19 GMT
> Attn: Mike
>
> Have you ever ACTUALLY replaced a timing chain, without removing the head?

  Hell no!! But you get people asking all the time if the head really needs
to be removed to do a timing chain. If you have the engine that far apart it
only makes sense to replace the head gasket as well. Also, with 210,000
miles on the engine, it makes sense to have a valve job done while it is
apart.

> Also, the oil pan! Head item aside, how do you check (remove) any broken
> gasket material and junk (metal particles ) that most likely have been
> ground up and will wind up in the oil  pan

   The first question I have is were did the ground up gasket material come
from ???  If you cover the front of the oil pan while you are scraping the
old gaskets off you should not have any gasket material in the oil pan that
you need to remove.

 The second question is what are all these metal particles in the oil pan
that need removal ???  If  you are talking about the metal from the timing
chain cover it is most likely in the oil filter. As it was rubbed off the
timing cover while the engine was running it was suspended in the oil, run
through the oil pump and ended up in the oil filter. That's what oil filters
are for. Any shavings that were too heavy to be suspended by the oil will be
laying in the bottom of the oil pan and will most likely get removed at the
next oil change. Any particles that remain will stay at the bottom of the
pan and will not be a problem.

> and subsequent pump!!.

 Before any gasket material would be able to get into the oil pump it would
first have to go through the oil pump pickup screen.

Maybe I
> have done the last two the wrong way............

 Maybe..........

> Might add, that the cost of the repair, if done by the OP (with help) should
> not be much over $400.00, far less than the cost of a new truck!

 Yes, if the OP could do the work they would save alot of money that would
be spent in labor. The OP said they had taken the vehicle a mechanic, which
will be a bit more expensive.

> Just my .02
>
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> > work as the one you have now. Then you would be out the money for a second
> > vehicle and repair costs.
Bill Hall - 08 Feb 2007 16:31 GMT
I think the "Hell No"! and subsequent rant answered my question!!
Responding to a question with lack of knowledge and experience often leads
to embarrassment!
Bill

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> second
>> > vehicle and repair costs.
Mike - 08 Feb 2007 16:42 GMT
> I think the "Hell No"! and subsequent rant answered my question!!
> Responding to a question with lack of knowledge and experience often leads
> to embarrassment!
> Bill

  Sorry Bill, didn't mean to embarrass you......

> >> Attn: Mike
> >>
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> > second
> >> > vehicle and repair costs.
Bill Hall - 08 Feb 2007 17:21 GMT
""Chuckle".... I wasn't referring to me being embarrassed...... I have the
knowledge AND experience... Nuff Said!

>> I think the "Hell No"! and subsequent rant answered my question!!
>> Responding to a question with lack of knowledge and experience often
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>> > second
>> >> > vehicle and repair costs.
Ernie Leimkuhler - 08 Feb 2007 07:03 GMT
> I was researching a problem with my 22RE engine and found this group.
> My problem appears to be a common one;  the timing chain has worn a
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> Thanks,
> Paul

I did six 22RE headgaskets last year.
On my trucks and a few friends.
Every time I did the headgasket I went ahead and replaced the timing
chain cover, timing chain set, oil pump, and water pump.
All 4 of those together cost around $125 from the eBay parts dealers.

If the hole dumped your coolant into your oil pan then the engine will
need to be flushed before it can be used.
You might as well do the headgasket, and the rest.

Doing your own rebuild isn't that hard, and will end up around $500 in
parts.
It does however take quite a bit of time, quite a list of tools, a bit
of shop space to lay out the parts, and you really should get a factory
manual for your truck.

A reman  engine can cost from $1000 to $1800, depending on who you get
it from.
You can also opt for a Japanese crate engine known as the 21RU.
They cost around $600 and bolt right in.
They have a little less power, but they do work.

Toyota trucks routinely get 250,000 to 300,000 miles before the first
headgasket blows or the timing chain goes out.
After a rebuild you are looking at around 80,000 to 100,000 miles before
it goes again.

The best consistent engine pricing I have seen is from a eBay dealer
from Oregon.
grinder - 08 Feb 2007 15:43 GMT
>I was researching a problem with my 22RE engine and found this group.
> My problem appears to be a common one;  the timing chain has worn a
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> Thanks,
> Paul

I had my timing chain replaced at 125k as a precautionary matter.  It cost
about $1500 to have the shop replace it.  The truck still runs great at 150k
and I have no plans to get rid of it.  In fact I have had people at the
dealership offer to buy it.
Q - 08 Feb 2007 18:31 GMT
I replaced the timing chain, guides, and tensioner on my 22re engine
last summer without pulling the head or oil pan. Mine hadn't worn into
the front cover yet but was starting to make noise at 215,000 miles. I
bought the parts from an eBay store for about $60 which included the
metal guides instead of plastic. I saw new front covers on eBay for
under $100 also. The job was a piece of cake and took me just a few hours.

Q

> I was researching a problem with my 22RE engine and found this group.
> My problem appears to be a common one;  the timing chain has worn a
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> Thanks,
> Paul
Paul - 08 Feb 2007 21:34 GMT
Thanks for the info.  I don't have the tools and knowledge to do this
job myself, so I'll be paying someone else to do  it.  This is why I
was (and still am) kind of on the fence as to my next step.  What I
dont want to do is spend the money to have the timing chain and cover
replaced only to find out that the engine got trashed from either
debris from the guide that failed or coolant getting into the oil
pan.  I also contacted a local junkyard that has what is "allegedly" a
good used 22re that I can pick up for abot $450, but I'm not crazy
about that option either.  I appreciate everyone's input.
Joseph Wind - 08 Feb 2007 21:47 GMT
check out Partsdinosaur.com, he sells on ebay, but the prices are the same
and you get the parts faster without having to bid.  Also make sure you get
the steal reinforced guides and not the plastic ones like the original.

> Thanks for the info.  I don't have the tools and knowledge to do this
> job myself, so I'll be paying someone else to do  it.  This is why I
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> good used 22re that I can pick up for abot $450, but I'm not crazy
> about that option either.  I appreciate everyone's input.
Paul - 23 Feb 2007 15:27 GMT
Prologue:

I went ahead and had my old engine repaired.  Turned out to not be as
bad as I was told by the first mechanic that looked at it.  I suspect
he just wanted to sell me a $3k reman engine.  The plastic guide had
broken, and the chain was just starting to wear into the cover, but
had not worn all the way through, so I had no water/antifreeze in the
oil pan.  It's running great so far and I'm a little lighter in the
wallet, but not as bad as I thought it would be.  Thanks for
everyone's input.

Paul
Ernie Leimkuhler - 24 Feb 2007 04:08 GMT
> Prologue:
>
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>
> Paul

Really common story.

Just think if Toyota had stuck with the steel backed chain guides in the
earlier 22R's.
 
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