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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Trucks / March 2007Tacoma Front License Plate Bracket?
I live in a state that requires a front tag. I bought a Tacoma last week. I understand that the general practice is to attach the front plate to the bumper by driving two self-tapping screws through my beautiful, new, virgin bumper. The plate then eats into the paint and the plastic over time. I've even read that the plate may stick out at a 30-degree angle, following the top contour of the bumper. I have seen pics of trucks whose owners have attached the front plate to a structure under the engine. One guy said he used existing holes to do it, but I see none. Is there anything like a proper bracket out there? Or something better? Thanks very much for any advice you can give me. >I live in a state that requires a front tag. I bought a Tacoma last > week. I understand that the general practice is to attach the front [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Is there anything like a proper bracket out there? Or something > better? Thanks very much for any advice you can give me. Yeah it's pretty bad Toyota didn't want to send the $ to put a plate frame on. I just brought a black plastic frame and put the plate in that,but it 's still mounted the same. >>I live in a state that requires a front tag. I bought a Tacoma last >> week. I understand that the general practice is to attach the front [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >I just brought a black plastic frame and put the plate in that,but it 's >still mounted the same. On my '02, there as two holes up high, so that you could 'hang' the plate from top screws. Found that that interfered with 4x4ing, so mounted the plate by the bottom and then bent the plate. Large plastic washers behind the plate and velcro felt on the top of the plate to provide a buffer space. I did not put the hooks velcro on the car, just the felt (loops) on the plate. > >>I live in a state that requires a front tag. I bought a Tacoma last > >> week. I understand that the general practice is to attach the front [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > I did not put the hooks velcro on the car, just the felt (loops) on the > plate. Thank you both for your input. I guess I'll just have to put holes in the bumper. (At least they've indicated where to do that, but it's pretty surprising that they couldn't throw in a plate holder, too.) I'm pretty sure it is a violation of state law to sell or offer for sale any car or truck that can not have the required number of license plates affixed. The parts _might_ be available for a fee because there are people that will remove the front plate, then sell the car or truck through private channels then disappear. In this instance, the buyer would be burdened with installing a front plate, and would need to buy the hardware. But a NEW car or truck must have the necessary hardware to make the vehicle legal to operate on every street and highway in the country, this would include a mounting bracket for license plates. I got a car dealer to install a new windshield in a used car because the one that was there was broken. I objectd on the grounds that a broken windshield was a violation of the law, therefore he must repair it before he could offer the car for sale. I suggest the same is true for a front plate. They do not provide the plates, DMV does that, but they have to provide the place to mount the plate. >>I live in a state that requires a front tag. I bought a Tacoma last >> week. I understand that the general practice is to attach the front [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I just brought a black plastic frame and put the plate in that,but it 's > still mounted the same. >I'm pretty sure it is a violation of state law to sell or offer for sale any >car or truck that can not have the required number of license plates [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >legal to operate on every street and highway in the country, this would >include a mounting bracket for license plates. Not true. If it is not required in the state it is sold (mine), It is not required to be part of the package. And many cars/trucks come without them, dealers put them on as the OP mentioned, by using self tapping screws on a plastic bumper. Many dealers put them on and put plates that are ads for their dealership if a registration plate is not required. I've had to get an agreement, as part of the deal, that if the dealership forgot and punched holes in my ordered vehicle to put his ad plate on, I would refuse acceptance and require a loaner vehicle until a new bumper came in to replace the ruined bumper. Those plates add just a little more wind resistance to a vehicle, and I have no desire to run a continuous ad for the dealership. Frank >I got a car dealer to install a new windshield in a used car because the one >that was there was broken. I objectd on the grounds that a broken windshield [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> I just brought a black plastic frame and put the plate in that,but it 's >> still mounted the same. >>I'm pretty sure it is a violation of state law to sell or offer for sale >>any [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Not true. If it is not required in the state it is sold (mine), It is > not required to be part of the package. Okay, but if the plate IS required, then the stealership (manufacturer) is required to bring the vehicle legal before they can put it on the street. The automakers provide the means to mount plates without drilling new holes. If a dealer makes holes, they are doing it because they are lazy/cheap/ignorant. > And many cars/trucks come without them, dealers put them on as the OP > mentioned, by using self tapping screws on a plastic bumper. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Frank Come on Frank, that's absurd. the ad plates are cardboard, and come off easily. In most states, the license plate is required, and the plate takes the place of the placard. If there is a placard, you can be sure there is a bracket to hold the front plate. >>>I'm pretty sure it is a violation of state law to sell or offer for sale >>>any [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >If a dealer makes holes, they are doing it because they are >lazy/cheap/ignorant. Also not true. I've purchased two vehicles brand new in the last ten years that had no provision (factory) for mounting the plate bracket. It's up to the dealer how neat he wants to be. >> And many cars/trucks come without them, dealers put them on as the OP >> mentioned, by using self tapping screws on a plastic bumper. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >the place of the placard. If there is a placard, you can be sure there is a >bracket to hold the front plate. Absurd? Metal in my case and very nicely done, however, I don't care if they come off by themselves, I don't want the plate or the bracket on the front of my vehicle. Obviously, you can't read, yes there is a bracket, the one that is installed by the dealer by popping four self tapping screws through the bumper. The first vehicle he did that to I got caught, the second I stated what I stated above about ommitting it. That's a preference and not subject to a right or wrong argument unless you are just a troll and that's your game. >>>>I'm pretty sure it is a violation of state law to sell or offer for sale >>>>any [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > years that had no provision (factory) for mounting the plate bracket. > It's up to the dealer how neat he wants to be. Apparently my state is different. Our cars leave the lot with a capacity for a front plate. It's the law. How agressively is the law enforced? Not very ... >>> And many cars/trucks come without them, dealers put them on as the OP >>> mentioned, by using self tapping screws on a plastic bumper. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > it. That's a preference and not subject to a right or wrong argument > unless you are just a troll and that's your game. Where in the world do some of you folks come up with these wild and inane comments about "legality"? There is no law that says you cannot sell a vehicle without a front license plate bracket!!!There is no law that says you cannot sell a vehicle with a broken windshield!! License plates on the front bumper are not mandated in all states!! A broken windshield in many states is perfectly legal , as long as it "does not impair the vision of the driver"!!................................. But, I guess it makes for "nice type" to make statements as fact. Any reputable dealer wouldn't offer a car for sale with a broken windshield. Not because it was illegal, but for salability. Besides, most dealers have a facility that does this for a very nominal price due to volume.... >>I'm pretty sure it is a violation of state law to sell or offer for sale >>any [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >>> I just brought a black plastic frame and put the plate in that,but it 's >>> still mounted the same. > Where in the world do some of you folks come up with these wild and inane > comments about "legality"? There is no law that says you cannot sell a > vehicle without a front license plate bracket!!! Many people seem to forget you can sell a vehicle in any condition. The sale of a vehicle has nothing to do with the legality of driving it on a public road. Heck, you don't HAVE to register it, ever, as long as you're trailering it home! <G> >> Where in the world do some of you folks come up with these wild and >> inane comments about "legality"? There is no law that says you cannot [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > a public road. Heck, you don't HAVE to register it, ever, as long as > you're trailering it home! <G> \ That's a Private Party Sale. When buyinf from a Dealership, the bvehicle must be registered to get it off the lot. If it is registered, it must be legal. If a front plate is a requirement, then it must be provided. If the vehicle is NEW, then the brackets that may be necessary must be provided. My ONLY point is, one can use this as leverage to get the mounting brackets if they are missing and the vehicle was acquired from a dealer. If one buys a car from ME, they get it in AS IS condition. If one gets a car from a dealer, they can make a stink that the vehicle does not meet legal requirements, and get the remedy for free. One ought to make that point before they leave the dealership ... >>> Where in the world do some of you folks come up with these wild and >>> inane comments about "legality"? There is no law that says you cannot [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Jeff must be a lawyer........... >>>> Where in the world do some of you folks come up with these wild and >>>> inane comments about "legality"? There is no law that says you cannot [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> >> Jeff must be a lawyer........... That, a smart knowledgeble consumer or one who has been bitten by shlock dealers before and at least learned -=that=- lesson ! >>> Where in the world do some of you folks come up with these wild and >>> inane comments about "legality"? There is no law that says you cannot [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >legal. If a front plate is a requirement, then it must be provided. If the >vehicle is NEW, then the brackets that may be necessary must be provided. You keep posting things that are not true, or at least not universally true. Why don't you fully research things before you "post as fact". Are you a troll just looking for attention? In my state autos are not registered when they leave the lot. In many cases they are not even bought in the state in which they will finally be registered. There is a period of time for you to go to the courthouse and register the vehicle and apply for title. The bracket does not have to be provided. My state and no bordering state requires a front tag. >My ONLY point is, one can use this as leverage to get the mounting brackets >if they are missing and the vehicle was acquired from a dealer. If one buys >a car from ME, they get it in AS IS condition. If one gets a car from a >dealer, they can make a stink that the vehicle does not meet legal >requirements, and get the remedy for free. One ought to make that point >before they leave the dealership ... >>>> Where in the world do some of you folks come up with these wild and >>>> inane comments about "legality"? There is no law that says you cannot [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >The bracket does not have to be provided. My state and no bordering >state requires a front tag. There is NO "universal truth" ... You haven't a clue that differing areas, even within states have differing rules, regulations and laws! Many states have the dealer 'register' the car and provide a temporary paper 'plate'. Some now have the dealer collect all fees and you get the plates FROM the dealer after the paper work is returned from the DMV or appropriate agency. In Nevada, for example, you don't go to the courthouse, but to the DMV. Even IF the -=dealer=- fails to put on the front plate, even IF there's no mounting for a plate, you will get ticketed! Titling in many states (Nevada amongst them) is now done by the dealer, except on PPS. If not being registered in that state, you need to buy a transportation permit - sold by ... hang in there ... THE DEALER !!!!!!!!! Been there, done all of that ----- ... now crawl back under -=your=- bridge. >>My ONLY point is, one can use this as leverage to get the mounting brackets >>if they are missing and the vehicle was acquired from a dealer. If one buys >>a car from ME, they get it in AS IS condition. If one gets a car from a >>dealer, they can make a stink that the vehicle does not meet legal >>requirements, and get the remedy for free. One ought to make that point >>before they leave the dealership ... >>>> Where in the world do some of you folks come up with these wild and >>>> inane comments about "legality"? There is no law that says you cannot [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > The bracket does not have to be provided. My state and no bordering > state requires a front tag. Then they don't have to give YOU a mounting bracket. Where I live, they must give me the bracket because a front tag is required. The ORIGINAL POSTER lives in a state like mine that demands front plates. HE should be able to demand a mounting bracket. You live under a different law, and you can not demand a remedy for nonconformance with this particular law. Had you bothered to read what I say in the following paragraph -- which I posed earlier, and to which you replied to a portion and ignored another portion -- you would see that all I am saying is that if a front plate IS required, then one can apply leverage to get a free front plate mounting bracket. An automaker can not sell as an option any part that is required to be installed on a NEW CAR OR TRUCK that he is offering for sale. He can not, for example, offer seat belts as an option because seatbelts are a requirement. Yes, some states might not require seatbelt use, but I don't know of any states where this is true and I admit that I don't get out much. What I do know is that seat belts are federally mandated. Front plates are required in my state, and many others. The automaker MUST provide a means to attach a front plate as part of a NEW car or truck sale. As a consumer, I would not tolerate a mickey mouse installation IF there was an available mounting kit. Having said that, my daughter had a Tacoma that my recollection is there was a mounting kit that was used on the front plate. I could be wrong, but I recall a mounting bracket. <previously posted paragraph> >>My ONLY point is, one can use this as leverage to get the mounting >>brackets [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>requirements, and get the remedy for free. One ought to make that point >>before they leave the dealership ... <return to today> If you know for a fact that there is no bracket, then say so. Nobody gives a rat's a.s that you do not need a front plate, because the original question was pursuant to mounting a REQUIRED front plate. What are you, a troll? >>>>> Where in the world do some of you folks come up with these wild and >>>>> inane comments about "legality"? There is no law that says you cannot [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >demand a mounting bracket. You live under a different law, and you can not >demand a remedy for nonconformance with this particular law. Your post above only says that "when buying from a dealership, the vehicle must be registered to get it off the lot" Does not qualify in any particular state nor does the post you responded to. It is not universally true and you made no attempt to qualify. >Had you bothered to read what I say in the following paragraph -- which I >posed earlier, and to which you replied to a portion and ignored another [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >recollection is there was a mounting kit that was used on the front plate. I >could be wrong, but I recall a mounting bracket. There is no mounting bracket on the 2007 Tacoma. I just bought one. And it is not required by law that the automaker provide one or the means to attach. Please quote the Federal statute. Unless you mean to use self tapping screws or tie it on with baling wire. ><previously posted paragraph> >>>My ONLY point is, one can use this as leverage to get the mounting [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >rat's a.s that you do not need a front plate, because the original question >was pursuant to mounting a REQUIRED front plate. Of course they don't. I never stated they did. You have stated several times that "the manufacturer is required by law to provide a means for mounting. That is not true. The dealership may mount it any way they want if not specified by the prospective buyer. >What are you, a troll? A troll is one who posts things that are not true to get a reaction from those who may be trying to either gain or give accurate information. May use multiple sockpuppets to extend the conversation. Does so for sport or to get attention. I'm through giving it. >>What are you, a troll? > > A troll is one who posts things that are not true to get a reaction > from those who may be trying to either gain or give accurate > information. May use multiple sockpuppets to extend the conversation. > Does so for sport or to get attention. I'm through giving it. You are making no attempt to give accurate information because you are not required to have the equipment that is missing. I'm saying that if there is a requirement for front plates AND there is a mounting kit available, then a buyer can and should get the mounting kit free of charge (or included in the price of a new vehicle). >>>What are you, a troll? >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >mounting kit available, then a buyer can and should get the mounting kit >free of charge (or included in the price of a new vehicle). Why don't you read what's been written? There is no damn mounting kit. There is no mounting bracket. There are holes and you get the screws for free from a dealer. Is that so hard to understand? >>>>What are you, a troll? >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > kit. There is no mounting bracket. There are holes and you get the > screws for free from a dealer. Is that so hard to understand? Then give me a couple of minutes to go out and remove the front plate mount on my daughter's Tacoma. I'll be right back ... >>>>>What are you, a troll? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Then give me a couple of minutes to go out and remove the front plate mount >on my daughter's Tacoma. I'll be right back ... Guess I'll have to do the same to 'comply' with Dean's obstinacy - I'm -=sure=- he's right and that would mean that I didn't mount my license plate on the bracket that -=came with=- my Tacoma and was -=NOT=- dealer added ... <G> (FWIW ... ALL the Taco's on the lot had them even before dealer delivery prep - mine had just come off the truck and was very dirty !) Darn, looks like a bracket, feels like a bracket, plate mounts like it's going on a bracket ... wonder if the plant puts different bumpers on them depending upon the State or Toyota 'Region'? > Where in the world do some of you folks come up with these wild and inane >comments about "legality"? There is no law that says you cannot sell a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >states is perfectly legal , as long as it "does not impair the vision of the >driver"!!................................. The 'key' word is -=many=-! In -=some=- states, perhaps that of the poster, one/both are contrary to either state or local laws. Yes, they (civil authorities) -=can=- force the dealer to comply. >But, I guess it makes for "nice type" to make statements as fact. Any >reputable dealer wouldn't offer a car for sale with a broken windshield. Not [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] >>>> I just brought a black plastic frame and put the plate in that,but it 's >>>> still mounted the same. >>I live in a state that requires a front tag. I bought a Tacoma last >> week. I understand that the general practice is to attach the front [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> Is there anything like a proper bracket out there? Or something >> better? Thanks very much for any advice you can give me. Stick some thin weather stripping on the back of the license plate and it won't scratch your bumper. >>>I live in a state that requires a front tag. I bought a Tacoma last >>> week. I understand that the general practice is to attach the front [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Stick some thin weather stripping on the back of the license plate and > it won't scratch your bumper. You guys are crazy. There is a mounting bracket that uses existing holes, and provides a clean installation of the front plate. >>>>I live in a state that requires a front tag. I bought a Tacoma last >>>> week. I understand that the general practice is to attach the front [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >You guys are crazy. There is a mounting bracket that uses existing holes, >and provides a clean installation of the front plate. I have my third Toyota truck, this time a Tundra. None have had a bracket, or obviously available holes. Each truck has had two little dimples in the front bumper. You can neatly, in whatever manner you like, pierce the bumper cover through those dimples to create the holes you need. Then you stop by the Toyota dealer and tell them you need two front license plate mounting screws. Each time they've been given to me for free and usually a couple of extra also. >I live in a state that requires a front tag. I bought a Tacoma last >week. I understand that the general practice is to attach the front [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Is there anything like a proper bracket out there? Or something >better? Thanks very much for any advice you can give me. You might consider using threaded inserts or well nuts to attach your plate bracket. Make a much neater job and if you move someplace where the front plate isn't necessary, you can use some color coridinated push pins to cover the holes. > >I live in a state that requires a front tag. I bought a Tacoma last > >week. I understand that the general practice is to attach the front [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > the front plate isn't necessary, you can use some color coridinated > push pins to cover the holes. I think I'd like that better than using the self-tappers. Thanks. >> >I live in a state that requires a front tag. I bought a Tacoma last >> >week. I understand that the general practice is to attach the front [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >I think I'd like that better than using the self-tappers. Thanks. Look at 'RivNuts' - threaded blind-rivet nut inserts. The small sizes (6/32, 8/32, 10/32, 10/24) install with a regular pop riveter and a special mandrel, the larger size you want (1/4"-20) usually requires a dedicated install tool or one of the large pop-rivet guns. I got mine at an Aircraft Parts house, they're handy little buggers. You thread the rivet onto the tool mandrel and place the rivet in the hole, then squeeze the handles to deform the barrel and lock it in place. Instead of the mandrel popping off, you ease off pressure and back it out of the gun, and then unthread the mandrel from the insert. If you use a RivNut and a backup fender washer behind the plastic bumper cover, it isn't going to pull out of the bumper face till after the plate and trim ring have been destroyed. And if the plate needs to come off, it will go back on without a hassle. --<< Bruce >>-- > >> >I live in a state that requires a front tag. I bought a Tacoma last > >> >week. I understand that the general practice is to attach the front [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > the plate and trim ring have been destroyed. And if the plate needs > to come off, it will go back on without a hassle. Thanks very much. I'd never heard of RivNuts before now. I'll hunt some down. Thanks again, Bruce. >> >> >I live in a state that requires a front tag. I bought a Tacoma last >> >> >week. I understand that the general practice is to attach the front [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >Thanks very much. I'd never heard of RivNuts before now. I'll hunt >some down. Thanks again, Bruce. They're great! I've used them on my Tacoma's bed so that I could bolt down my camping 'bed'. Built a frame out of aircraft aluminum and can store my recovery kit, camping stuff (both footlocker sized), cl;othes and food underneath (snap top plastic crates) and still get a full air mattress on top. Have to slide in - just barely sit up, but it's great for long runs in the desert. I've also bolted Unistrut to the rails of the bed. This gives totally adjustable tie down points with 2" eyes and their special spring loaded nuts. >Thanks very much. I'd never heard of RivNuts before now. I'll hunt >some down. Thanks again, Bruce. Ask at places that do commercial truck accessories like van shelving and racking.. I live in California, and our Tacoma had a front plate that was mounted to the bumper. We bought it used, but my recollection is that there was hardware that was attached to existing holes used to mount the grille, or something. In any case, there was no need to drill new holes, nor were there any unsightly holes that resulted from the previous owner going crazy with his screw gun. >I live in a state that requires a front tag. I bought a Tacoma last > week. I understand that the general practice is to attach the front [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Is there anything like a proper bracket out there? Or something > better? Thanks very much for any advice you can give me. |
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