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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Trucks / March 2007

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Intermittent Spark problem on '86 truck with 22R

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Mike - 23 Mar 2007 20:02 GMT
Hi:

I think that I'm having an intermittent spark problem with my 1986
Toyota pickup (4x2, 22R).  The engine sounds and feels like it is
running on three cylinders under load.  It doesn't happen all the time
(but very frequently) and only after the truck is warmed up for a
little bit.  I was able to get the engine to stumble when it was
parked in the garage one day by blipping the throttle quickly from
idle.  I hooked up my timing light to one of the spark plug wires and
noticed that the light "stumbled" as the engine stumbled when I
blipped the throttle.  I then hooked the timing light up to the main
ignition wire that runs from the coil to the distributor and noticed
that the light stumbled when the engine stumbled.

The spark plugs have only about a couple of thousand miles on them and
look fine and are gapped correctly.  Although the spark plug wires for
12 years old they have no cracks or other visible damage and test well
within specs.  I performed the factory manual recommended tests for
the coil and the distributor, and everything tested within specs.
Since I didn't find a way to directly test the ingiter, I bit the
bullet and replaced it with a new Toyota igniter (ouch!).
Unfortunately, that didn't solve the problem.

I didn't test the ECU which is located behind a kick panel on the
passenger side.  I'm not even sure what the ECU does anyway on a
carbureted truck.

Since the timing light "stumbled" when I connected it to the ignition
wire coming from the coil to the distributor, does that mean that
there is a problem on the coil/igniter "side" rather than the
distributor/individual spark plug "side" of the ignition?  I could
just replace the coil and see what happens.  Although it's cheap when
compared to the cost of the igniter, it's not THAT cheap.

Any thoughts as to what the problem might be?  Any help would be
greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

-- -- Mike
Ernie Leimkuhler - 24 Mar 2007 03:38 GMT
> Hi:
>
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> 12 years old they have no cracks or other visible damage and test well
> within specs.

Geez louise, man just spend $50 and get some new cables.
I replace mine every few years along with the rotor and cap.
They do degrade over time.

> I performed the factory manual recommended tests for
> the coil and the distributor, and everything tested within specs.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> passenger side.  I'm not even sure what the ECU does anyway on a
> carbureted truck.

Depends on how much emissions control you have on your truck.

> Since the timing light "stumbled" when I connected it to the ignition
> wire coming from the coil to the distributor, does that mean that
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> -- -- Mike

Check your distributor, to make sure it is working consistently.
Mike - 24 Mar 2007 17:09 GMT
On Mar 23, 7:38 pm, Ernie Leimkuhler <stagesm...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
> In article <1174676569.701365.204...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > Geez louise, man just spend $50 and get some new cables.
> I replace mine every few years along with the rotor and cap.
> They do degrade over time.

Thanks, Ernie, for replying.  Can you elaborate how my plug wires may
have "degraded" over time despite having resistance readings in the 8K
ohm range (well within specs), being very supple, having no cracks,
and having terminals in good shape?  I tend to be of the mind that
just because things are "old", doesn't mean they're broke.  It's not
like I am merely being cheap about this issue.  Recall that did
replace the igniter ($$$$$$$$$).  Changing wires every few years as
preventative maintenance seems a tad excessive, compared with my
experience of owning and properly maintaining several high mileage
vehicles (200-300k miles), with plug wire sets that have functioned
well for many, many years.

> > I didn't test the ECU which is located behind a kick panel on the
> > passenger side.  I'm not even sure what the ECU does anyway on a
> > carbureted truck.
>
> Depends on how much emissions control you have on your truck.

Whatever came stock on a Federal 22r...

> Check your distributor, to make sure it is working consistently.

Vacuum advance works fine, air gap is good, plates and shaft seem
good.  I wiggled the pick-up coil wires as I tested the resistance,
which was fine.

I am leaning toward the coil at this point.  Is it common for coils to
have intermittent problems?  The ones that I have had that failed,
have failed completely.  Thanks.

Mike
Ernie Leimkuhler - 25 Mar 2007 11:27 GMT
> On Mar 23, 7:38 pm, Ernie Leimkuhler <stagesm...@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> vehicles (200-300k miles), with plug wire sets that have functioned
> well for many, many years.

The  high voltage of the spark current causes a breakdown of the
insulation of the wires.
This can cause some strange electrical behavior,

> > > I didn't test the ECU which is located behind a kick panel on the
> > > passenger side.  I'm not even sure what the ECU does anyway on a
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Mike

It is more often bad wires or corroded connectors.
Make sure all the ground wires are connected properly to the block.
There should be 3 of them.
One goes to the lower passenger side of the block.
One connects to the drivers side of the block right below the
distributor and one is connected to the valve cover.

I had a faulty ground wire cause some really weird electrical voodoo.
Mike - 27 Mar 2007 16:49 GMT
Thanks, I will check these things.

--Mike
 
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