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When I recently bought my 07 Toyota Tacoma, and the salesman (not very experienced or knowledgeable, been with them a couple of months) was giving me the "use our service department" pitch, he said. "well if you do your own service work (I do) at least buy the oil filters from us. They have a special feature that distinguishes them from others" He was not very specific about the "feature" but I gathered it had something to do with a check valve design of sorts. Can anyone shed light on how real this special feature is. Frank > When I recently bought my 07 Toyota Tacoma, and the salesman (not very > experienced or knowledgeable, been with them a couple of months) was [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Frank The profit margin? > The profit margin? I use Toyota filters on my '05 Tacoma. I pay $3.86 US each, when I buy two at my local dealer. The filters are nicely made, come with the o-ring pre-lubed and shrunk wrap, and the counter guy tosses a plug gasket into every box. They're obviously porking me. <G> >> The profit margin? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >They're obviously porking me. <G> I haven't bought one yet, just getting close to oil change time. That price not any worse than parts store filters and less then some premiums. Will see what they cost in this area, but it doesn't look like the recommendation was based on the desire for excessive profit margin. Frank >>> The profit margin? >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Frank Its not that big of a deal here to take my Tundra to the dealer for service. It ran $52 for oil change, service and while they were at it, I had them replace the air filter for the first time in 2 years. The filter had just a bit shy of 60k miles on it. For just the normal service, its less than $30 at the dealer. If you figure the cost of the oil, filter, grease, etc, and then having to dispose of the old oil, its not worth it to even mess with it..... then there is the time involved... I can spend 2 hours getting the oil, filter, etc, doing the oil change, then taking the oil in for recycling, or I can take it to the dealer and have it done in less than 30 minutes. Lets see which is more cost effective.... paying for the stuff to do it, plus 2 hours of my time @ $110/hr(Yes this is my hourly labor rate that I charge my customers), or I can stop by the dealer for less than 30 minutes, pay less than $30, and be back on the road. Kind of a no brainer. OTOH, if you have nothing better to do with your time.... >>>> The profit margin? >>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >than $30, and be back on the road. Kind of a no brainer. OTOH, if you have >nothing better to do with your time.... I'm retired, more time than money. Place where I buy my oil lets me dispose in their tank. I don't make a special trip, going by there several times a week anyway. I usually do two vehicles at a time, takes about 45 minutes for both. I save about $40 or make about $60/hour if you want to look at it that way. I also do whatever, carpentry, fine woodworking, electrical work, painting, and mechanical work that gets in front of me. Keeps me active and "supplements" my retirement. Whatever you do where you charge your customers $110/hour, I hope I don't need much of it. :~) Frank >>>>> The profit margin? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > Whatever you do where you charge your customers $110/hour, I hope I > don't need much of it. :~) Licensed, bonded, insured, professionally trained, Master HVAC technician. >>>>>> The profit margin? >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > >Licensed, bonded, insured, professionally trained, Master HVAC technician. Recently got a new heat pump. I should be OK for now. >>>>>>> The profit margin? >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >> > Recently got a new heat pump. I should be OK for now. :-) >> Whatever you do where you charge your customers $110/hour, I hope I >> don't need much of it. :~) > > Licensed, bonded, insured, professionally trained, Master HVAC technician. Is that US$110 hr?. Not a bad rate for you I suppose. Here in Australia the usual charge is about $90 hr and our dollars worth only 86UScents. Well done if you can get the work at that rate. ;o) >>> Whatever you do where you charge your customers $110/hour, I hope I >>> don't need much of it. :~) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the usual charge is about $90 hr and our dollars worth only 86UScents. > Well done if you can get the work at that rate. ;o) yup, thats USD. Its built into my flat rate price book. "No Ma'am, we don't charge "labor", the price you see in the book is the installed price for that part." It works for me :-) >>>> Whatever you do where you charge your customers $110/hour, I hope I >>>> don't need much of it. :~) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > It works for me :-) Yeah, thats been tried with my industry as well, I install, repair and maintain Fire alarm systems. I still cant believe some of the prices that are charged for HVAC and alarm stuff. Theres only one industry thats better at chargeing clients and thats the lift industry, they are bloody thieves. ;o) >>>>> Whatever you do where you charge your customers $110/hour, I hope I >>>>> don't need much of it. :~) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > better at chargeing clients and thats the lift industry, they are bloody > thieves. ;o) Considering what I charge, the cost of parts, material, equipment and overhead, my salary only comes out to $25/hr which in the grand scheme of things really isn't that much after taxes. >>>>>> Whatever you do where you charge your customers $110/hour, I hope I >>>>>> don't need much of it. :~) [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > overhead, my salary only comes out to $25/hr which in the grand scheme of > things really isn't that much after taxes. I think that if you charge appropriate to what your doing then go for it. If fuel jumps to $100US a barrel all our charges go up, if your a shadey installer that does a crap job that requires repairing in 2 months then you cant justify a full $110hr eh. You get what you pay for in this world (most of the time). >>>>>>> Whatever you do where you charge your customers $110/hour, I hope I >>>>>>> don't need much of it. :~) [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > you cant justify a full $110hr eh. You get what you pay for in this world > (most of the time). Very true, which is why when I get done with an install, it looks like a picture right out of the textbook. As far as the price of fuel, thats fodder for another thread. >>>>>>>> Whatever you do where you charge your customers $110/hour, I hope I >>>>>>>> don't need much of it. :~) [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >$110? maybe what is charged,but around here a Good HVAC installer/repair >tech makes about $15-20 an hour tops. >>>>>>>>> Whatever you do where you charge your customers $110/hour, I hope >>>>>>>>> I [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >>tech makes about > $15-20 an hour tops. I can't help it if they don't get paid enough, maybe if they had an actual degree in Mechanical Engineering, were NATE certified, and certified Master Technicians, their pay would be more. As a Master Technician in rural south Mississippi, the $25/hr I get paid is *only* my salary, not my total compensation package. >>>>>>>>>> Whatever you do where you charge your customers $110/hour, I hope >>>>>>>>>> I [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > As a Master Technician in rural south Mississippi, the $25/hr I get paid > is *only* my salary, not my total compensation package. So then to change the oil yourself which you said takes 2 hours is more like $50 dollars.Not the $220 as stated. You would think most techs could change their oil in less than 2 hours. Get real.............. >>>$110? maybe what is charged,but around here a Good HVAC installer/repair >>>tech makes about [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > As a Master Technician in rural south Mississippi, the $25/hr I get paid > is *only* my salary, not my total compensation package. $25hr, I hope ya cost of living is pretty cheap, HVAC Techs here get at least $30 some I talk to closer to $40. (Mind you Australia is among the best places on earth to live so Im quite Biased) >>>>>> The profit margin? >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > >Licensed, bonded, insured, professionally trained, Master HVAC technician. Then the $110 includes your truck, took, business/office costs and all fees, licenses, etc. YOUR actual 'income' rate is much less! >Lets see >which is more cost effective.... paying for the stuff to do it, plus 2 hours >of my time @ $110/hr(Yes this is my hourly labor rate that I charge my >customers), or I can stop by the dealer for less than 30 minutes, pay less >than $30, and be back on the road. Kind of a no brainer. OTOH, if you have >nothing better to do with your time.... Some folks enjoy doing things themselves, cost is not the only reason to self-maintain a vehicle. I don't have any idea what my "hourly rate" is, but I hit the Social Security wage limit before the leaves turn colors here in CT, and my wife is also nicely employed. I also mow my own lawn and have built much of the furniture, cabinetry, and built-ins in my primary home. I don't do any of this for cost savings reasons. Here's something I recently built: <http://download.usenet-replayer.com/9/4/8/2/1170172849.14.jpg> <http://download.usenet-replayer.com/9/4/8/2/1170172849.13.jpg> To me, a nice 65-70F day, with some cold microbrew, the lube tools, and car cleaning materials are a relaxing way to spend the day. Twice a year, I do both vehicles. Lube, hand wash, vacuum, hand wax... However, I do hire plumbers and a cleaning lady, as I have no interest in those tasks. <G> >>> The profit margin? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >>They're obviously porking me. <G> All four of my Toyotas, including my 2000 Tundra, use the same oil filter. Occasionally, the local Toyota dealer has Toyota oil filters on sale by the case. It comes to about $2.50 per filter. The Toyota parts guy told me I could reuse the plug gasket a couple of times but said I should use a new one with each oil change and gave me a hand full. As it turned out, the case of filters came with it's own plug gaskets. Skip >>>> The profit margin? >>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Skip Skip, I don't quite understand your last paragraph. The parts guy told you could reuse the plug gasket, but you need a new one with each oil change? When else would you be removing the oil pan plug other than to change oil? Dean >>The Toyota parts guy told me I could reuse the plug gasket a couple of >>times but said I should use a new one with each oil change and gave me [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Dean The only reason I can think of to remove the drain plug would be to drain the oil. He said that the same gasket that is on the drain plug when you remove the plug can be used again when you screw the plug into the pan but it's better to use a new one. Clear now? Skip 197k. original gasket. > When I recently bought my 07 Toyota Tacoma, and the salesman (not very > experienced or knowledgeable, been with them a couple of months) was [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Frank I never used anything but Toyota filters for my '94 pickup. When you figure how much you paid for your 07 Tacoma, the price of a Toyota filter is miniscule. I now have a 07 Tacoma and I'll do the same with it every 5,000 miles.  SignatureBearman If it's got tits, tires, tubes, or transistors, it's trouble. toyota uses a magnet in the filter to trap any metal particles plus a few models are supposed to have an anti siphon feature to keep the horizontal filter full of oilOn Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:43:44 -0600, >> When I recently bought my 07 Toyota Tacoma, and the salesman (not very >> experienced or knowledgeable, been with them a couple of months) was [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >miniscule. I now have a 07 Tacoma and I'll do the same with it every 5,000 >miles. >toyota uses a magnet in the filter to trap any metal particles plus a >few models are supposed to have an anti siphon feature to keep the >horizontal filter full of oilOn Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:43:44 -0600, I'm confused by horizontal. Mine is almost vertical inlet side down, located on top of the engine (going to be easy to change, I like that). Will the Toyota filter hold oil when removed? In other words, will it not spill out its contents when removing it from the truck? I notice it is in a tray with a drain hole. Should I put a container under that hole? Frank "bearman" <noyb@home.com> wrote: >>> When I recently bought my 07 Toyota Tacoma, and the salesman (not very >>> experienced or knowledgeable, been with them a couple of months) was [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>miniscule. I now have a 07 Tacoma and I'll do the same with it every 5,000 >>miles. > toyota uses a magnet in the filter to trap any metal particles plus a > few models are supposed to have an anti siphon feature to keep the > horizontal filter full of oil I call B.S. on magnets - prove it! On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:43:44 -0600, >>> When I recently bought my 07 Toyota Tacoma, and the salesman (not very >>> experienced or knowledgeable, been with them a couple of months) was [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> miniscule. I now have a 07 Tacoma and I'll do the same with it every 5,000 >> miles. > When I recently bought my 07 Toyota Tacoma, and the salesman (not very > experienced or knowledgeable, been with them a couple of months) was [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Frank Some Toyota OE Filters are different. See http://home.earthlink.net/~cewhite3nc/id12.html . Ed I've always bought Frams for about $2.50 and changed the oil/filter every 3k. All my cars, Hilux, Surf, and 4Runner ran strong for about 200K miles with min oil consumption. My latest a 2000 Tundra V-8 has 102K miles on synthetic and doesn't use a drop between oil changes. Still using Frams and Walmart $13.00/5qt synthetic 5W-30. Bubba Toyota filters are very good, but nothing special. I haven't seen a magnet in any I've cut open, nor an anti-siphon device. I'd use Toyota, Baldwin/Hastings, Purolator, WIX/NAPA-Gold. I'd avoid the well known cheapies like Fram, Warner, some of the other real cheapies. Always use the filter specified in the filter maker's catalog for your engine. In the unlikely event the filter fails and your engine is damaged, the filter maker is responsible only if you're using the filter they recommend for your engine. Ken > When I recently bought my 07 Toyota Tacoma, and the salesman (not very > experienced or knowledgeable, been with them a couple of months) was [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Frank |
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