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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Trucks / May 2007Toyota Tundra see-saw ad
Motor Trend - June 2007 The New York Times has reported that a senior General Motors executive e-mailed dealers to point out that Toyota may have been a bit too slick with that slick Tundra "see-saw" advertisement http://snipurl.com/1ky41 - The GM guy claims the 10,000-pounds referred to in the voiceover means the combined weight of truck and trailer, not just the trailer, as implied. And he indicates you have to read the fine print to see the trailer is fitted with electric brakes. Wonder how they got any traction on a steel grating in the first place.. > And he indicates you have to read the fine print to see the > trailer is fitted with electric brakes. Wouldn't any street legal trailer of that size have to be? >Motor Trend - June 2007 > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >trailer is fitted with electric brakes. Wonder how they got any >traction on a steel grating in the first place.. Hey, another troll identifies for the killfile. Since the figure you are referring to is the Gross Combined Weight Rating (vehicle, passengers, cargo, tow) and the gross combined for my Tacoma is 11,100 pounds, I would suspect that the Tundra is far more. Trailer life lists the tow rating, not the gross combined, at 10K+ Plonk Frank So don't believe everything someone tells you, even if you saw it on TV. > Motor Trend - June 2007 > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > trailer is fitted with electric brakes. Wonder how they got any > traction on a steel grating in the first place.. On May 18, 11:29 am, "jp2express" <jp2mail-tempfo...@noSpamyahoo.com> wrote: > So don't believe everything someone tells you, even if you saw it on TV. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > - Show quoted text - But it was on TV it HAS to be right! <bg> > So don't believe everything someone tells you, even if you saw it on TV. But, if it's on TV, or in the paper, or on the news, doesn't it have to be true? Steve ;-) > > So don't believe everything someone tells you, even if you saw it on TV. > > But, if it's on TV, or in the paper, or on the news, doesn't it have to be > true? > > Steve ;-) I am still trying to find one of those revolvers that never needs to be reloaded! >> > So don't believe everything someone tells you, even if you saw it on >> > TV. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I am still trying to find one of those revolvers that never needs to > be reloaded! While your at it also get one that never misses even when your on a galloping horse 200 yards from your target! <g> Ron >>>> So don't believe everything someone tells you, even if you saw it on >>>> TV. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Ron And remember, if they show a closeup of the bad guy, he'll be the next one to bite the dust...  SignatureTom - Vista, CA >>>So don't believe everything someone tells you, even if you saw it on TV. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I am still trying to find one of those revolvers that never needs to > be reloaded! I found it. http://www.wyb.com/lf-0067polish_target_pistol.jpg SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin >>>> So don't believe everything someone tells you, even if you saw it on >>>> TV. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I found it. > http://www.wyb.com/lf-0067polish_target_pistol.jpg Didn't that become a blond target pistol??? :>)) "Little Moron Jokes" = "Pollack Jokes" = "Blond Jokes" SignatureTom - Vista, CA > Motor Trend - June 2007 > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > trailer is fitted with electric brakes. Wonder how they got any > traction on a steel grating in the first place.. The trailer hauling the load is required under federal law to have its own brakes, having to state so in the fine print is a formality. Toyota did nothing wrong. The GVWR is the truck, trailer, and the load -- including any load tht is physically in the truck, not just the load that is on the trailer. Toyota did nothing wrong. Stopping -- gaining traction -- on grating is perhaps the easiest part of the commercial. The grates are on edge, and this offers a very high coeffecient of friction. *crosspost removed from Chevy and Ford groups* > The GVWR is the truck, trailer, and the load -- including any load > tht is physically in the truck, not just the load that is on the > trailer. Toyota did nothing wrong. GVWR is the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating. It does not include an allowance for trailer weight other than the load the trailer tongue puts on the tow vehicle. Gross /Combined/ Weight Rating (G*C*WR) would include the total weight of the loaded vehicle and trailer. If you look at the picture of my certification sticker you will see the GVWR listed (8800 lbs) in the top right corner. Certification sticker: http://i19.tinypic.com/4px5n2h.jpg If you compare this weight ticket to my certification sticker you will see that I was under the weight ratings for the front axle, rear axle, and GVWR. The /combined/ weight was 1,940 lbs beyond the 8800 lb GVWR but still completely legal and under all weight ratings. Weight ticket: http://i16.tinypic.com/4q5tmjd.jpg SignatureKen alt.autos.dodge.trucks > Stopping -- gaining traction -- on grating is perhaps the easiest part of > the commercial. The grates are on edge, and this offers a very high > coeffecient of friction. ha ha ha , thats the best laugh I've had in days. The coeffeciant of friction is next to none on them damn things even when dry and brand new. Wet they are a skating rink. Whitelightning Actually you could get better traction on a grating by adding saw teeth on the vertical ends, which are not large enough to be visually detected. Ron >>Stopping -- gaining traction -- on grating is perhaps the easiest part of >>the commercial. The grates are on edge, and this offers a very high [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Whitelightning >> Stopping -- gaining traction -- on grating is perhaps the easiest part of >> the commercial. The grates are on edge, and this offers a very high [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > friction is next to none on them damn things even when dry and brand new. > Wet they are a skating rink. On the flats side they are slick, but on edge, there are several sharp (not sharp as in knife) edges that are gripping the tire. And, when they make ramps like these, not only are the grates on edge, the edges are spiked to make traction even greater. I agree completely that a flat metal ramp is slicker than snot, but when the metal is placed on edge, it gains rigidity and traction. > On the flats side they are slick, but on edge, there are several sharp > (not sharp as in knife) edges that are gripping the tire. And, when they [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I agree completely that a flat metal ramp is slicker than snot, but when > the metal is placed on edge, it gains rigidity and traction. They do bridges that way, and untill you have had the pleasure, or pucker up and chew a hole in the seat experiance of a tractor's rear axles kicking out to side pulling 80,000 lbs gross , or the trailer kick to one side or the rear tractor axle kick out to one side when braking, dont yak at me on this. The damn things flat suck for traction. Thank god they dont use steel grating very often for bridge surfaces any more. and before experiancing that joy, I used ramps of that construction to unlaod trailers and trucks in the service at areas that didnt have loading docks. Even with a 4k or 6k lb forklift you had to be damn careful becuase if you hit the brakes to hard coming down, the tires would lock up and slide. Lift operators learned real fast better too slow everytime than one time too fast. Whitelightning From a strictly personal perspective, the steel gratings that I have had the "pleasure" of driving on differed greatly depending on age. The new ones had traction galore, those that had been in service for some time and driven on regularly were very slick. It has much to do with how many tires have driven over them and smoothed off the edges of the steel. It also varies greatly depending on the relative hardness of the tire compound, a soft tire on a new grate will have very good traction, to the point that it will try to shred a tire, older grates with hard compound tires will slide at an alarming rate. YMMV George > From a strictly personal perspective, the steel gratings that I have >had the "pleasure" of driving on differed greatly depending on age. Same here. I'll bet cleanliness counts too. Some have a nice oil & grease coating if traffic sits still on them. I've ridden bicycles over lots of them and seen a wide variety of traction. Think a slippery grate is scary in a truck? Try the slippery, slightly downsloped examples on a 25 MPH bicycle with a car 20-30 feet behind. On the bike, I can even see a huge difference were the tires usually travel and where they don't. Dido for us motorcycle riders! > I've ridden bicycles over lots of them and seen a wide variety of > traction. Think a slippery grate is scary in a truck? Try the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > On the bike, I can even see a huge difference were the tires usually > travel and where they don't. > Dido for us motorcycle riders! > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>> Im scared everytime i ride across one on my Motorcycle. Ive screwed >>> around before on thenm and nearly go road rash. |
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