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93 4runner rad

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DonLogan - 17 May 2008 01:46 GMT
I replaced my rad with a non toyota part 4 years ago.
Now this one has blown seam(s). I took it back to the rad shop and
gently told him the rad was crap.
He apologized and said he'e give me a good discount.

What do you think? Rad at cost & I'll pay labour?
someone@some.domain - 17 May 2008 02:13 GMT
>I replaced my rad with a non toyota part 4 years ago.
>Now this one has blown seam(s). I took it back to the rad shop and
>gently told him the rad was crap.
>He apologized and said he'e give me a good discount.
>
>What do you think? Rad at cost & I'll pay labour?
yep, let the man eat.
Jeff Strickland - 17 May 2008 02:38 GMT
>I replaced my rad with a non toyota part 4 years ago.
> Now this one has blown seam(s). I took it back to the rad shop and
> gently told him the rad was crap.
> He apologized and said he'e give me a good discount.
>
> What do you think? Rad at cost & I'll pay labour?

No. Buy the damn radiator and pay the guy for it. Take his offer age get
over yourself.

Or better, go to radiatorbarn.com and order one for about $100 and drop it
in by yourself.
johngdole@hotmail.com - 17 May 2008 04:26 GMT
Don't care for OEM Densos. Modines worked fine. So get a Modine (now
called Proliance) from NAPA with lifetime warranty. (www.pliii.com)

Koyo rads seem ok too. Cheaper and with only 1 year warranty that I
have seen.

Rads wear out, and yeah, let the man eat.

> I replaced my rad with a non toyota part 4 years ago.
> Now this one has blown seam(s). I took it back to the rad shop and
> gently told him the rad was crap.
> He apologized and said he'e give me a good discount.
>
> What do you think? Rad at cost & I'll pay labour?
DonLogan - 20 May 2008 02:35 GMT
This is confusing for me. Any idea of the average life of well-cared
for radiator?

I'm retired and gave gone through a number of vehicles. I've never
replaced a rad till now, now two.

And they both had seam failure! Is that the most common wear failure?

I'd replace my own but am now longer able.

I know the man has to eat and I did get 3 1/2 years on his
replacement. Proper rad shop - 8-10 bays. He said we should use an
aluminum rad - i asked why he didn't do that the first time. I don't
remember him replying.

His 04 invoice reads new HD Auto Kool rad (which he says is now out of
business - and I said no wonder)  290
1.5 X57 = 85.50 labor
20 - purge
I supplied coolant
and 4.40 for a clamp - i remember getting home, seeing this and
thought it unfair.

tia

>I replaced my rad with a non toyota part 4 years ago.
>Now this one has blown seam(s). I took it back to the rad shop and
>gently told him the rad was crap.
>He apologized and said he'e give me a good discount.
>
>What do you think? Rad at cost & I'll pay labour?
johngdole@hotmail.com - 20 May 2008 03:31 GMT
Never heard of HD Auto Kool radiators. Cheap radiators are one reason
for early failures.

- You also need to make sure the system is free of air. Hot stream can
speed the cracking of the plastic-equipped top tank (not in the case
of 4Runner, it's all copper for the 2.4L).
- Also use approved coolant (Toyota Red with distilled water) every 2
years to fight corrosion. Toyota Pink stinks BTW.
- Blown headgasket (over pressure) isn't helpful either.
- Make sure the radiator cap is changed with the radiator and has a
spring-loaded vacuum return valve instead of a hang-loose plastic
valve to hlpe keep air out.
- Use Proliance, Koyo, or OEM Denso radiator. Some carry a lifetime
warranty and is cheaper than dealer part.
- You should expect *at least* 100,000 miles out of one. But 1mg/cm^2/
week corrosion rate happens to ALL radiators, so these things WON'T
last forever. .
- Bad grounding causes electrical current to flow through and lead to
electrolysis corrosion. So check ground straps.
- Prefer spring clamps (almost last forever) over worm-gear clamps.
- loca NAPA store offers lifetime warranty on Proliance (Modine),
other places differ

- PROLIANCE Part # 432273 $166.79 on www.rockauto.com + shipping for
2.4L 4Runner
- KOYO Part # 1640035360 $115.89

Hope this helps.

> This is confusing for me. Any idea of the average life of well-cared
> for radiator?
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> and 4.40 for a clamp - i remember getting home, seeing this and
> thought it unfair.
Bruce L. Bergman - 20 May 2008 05:45 GMT
>>I replaced my rad with a non toyota part 4 years ago.
>>Now this one has blown seam(s). I took it back to the rad shop and
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>This is confusing for me. Any idea of the average life of well-cared
>for radiator?

 When they were all Copper and Brass for the cores, headers and
tanks, they'd go 15 years plus with a rodding-out every three to five
years at a good radiator shop. Then either a tank or some tubes in the
core would go bad, and you'd replace the whole thing - or just the
core, or just a tank if the radiator shop had a good used one.

 Nowadays with the Aluminum cores and crimped-on plastic tanks, they
are essentially selling "Disposable" radiators.  You can't take them
apart for service - because they often hold long pressure and not
crack long enough to test good on the bench at the shop, then fail
after you put some miles on the car.

>I'm retired and gave gone through a number of vehicles. I've never
>replaced a rad till now, now two.
>
>And they both had seam failure! Is that the most common wear failure?

 Yes with the plastic tanks, since the stresses are concentrated
along the seams, and at the 'fingers' that clamp the tank to the core
and it's gasket.  And Aluminum is horrible at repeated flexing, if
they have to bend the radiator tank header 'fingers' to crimp it
together odds are it's going to crack if bent to open and bent back to
re-seal.  Even if they try to anneal the metal with a torch.

>I'd replace my own but am now longer able.
>
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>and 4.40 for a clamp - i remember getting home, seeing this and
>thought it unfair.

 You can still get all copper radiators for many cars, but you will
pay a premium for it.  And I'll bet a rather stiff one considering the
price of copper has gone to insane levels (between the Beijing Olympic
Games and the Three Gorges Dam mega-projects)  and the world-wide RoHS
push to eliminate all lead (solder!) from out lives.

 Get another aluminum core radiator unless you plan to keep the car
another 10 years plus.  But there are vast quality differences
betweeen the "No-Name stuff out of the third world, and the "Name
Brand" where you will be able to find the company in 4 years should
you need to get a warranty claim handled.

 Note that there has been some consolidation - Modine Radiators are
now Proliance www.pliii.com .  The radiator shop should be able to
present a 'Scorecard' of who owns what brands, and if they are good
over the long haul.  (I'm an electrician, another industry where you
need an updated scorecard to track who owns what.)

 --<< Bruce >>--
 
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