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Hachiroku - 13 Jun 2006 13:20 GMT That idiot in California LOST his case againt the US Government. In God We Trust stays 'on the money'. Good thing there was a Judge with a BRAIN this time...
ron - 13 Jun 2006 14:53 GMT I hadn't heard that yet Hach. I am kind of reminded about the old joke about lawyers (judges).
"Its just 99% of lawyers that give all the rest a bad name"
Ron
Coyoteboy - 13 Jun 2006 15:30 GMT Fancy enlightening us in the UK ?
Hachiroku - 13 Jun 2006 18:33 GMT > Fancy enlightening us in the UK ? There is a guy in California. He has a daughter that no longer lives with him, and yet he brought a Lawsuit against the US for having the words "One nation, under God" in the Pledge of Allegience.
The court ruled in his favour, and most schoolkids no longer say the pledge of allegience.
Then, the fruitcake went and took on our money. All coin money in the US says, "In God We Trust" Riding fresh on the heels of his win against the Schoolkids of the US (Yeah, I spun that all by myself...) he filed suit against the Government and the Mint to have the slogan striken from US money. This time he got shot down in flames.
Doesn't this guy have better things to do with his time and money? Like, MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE?!?!
I hear Baghdad is looking for new residents.
Coyoteboy - 13 Jun 2006 19:08 GMT > "Coyoteboy" <coyoteboyuk@hotmail.com> wrote in message eeeeediot. Tie him down and jump on his head.
Anshu - 13 Jun 2006 15:31 GMT remind me again why should have the words god on our money?
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Coyoteboy - 13 Jun 2006 16:39 GMT > remind me again why should have the words god on our money? At a guess because the vast majority of the population think it should be that way and it harks back to the base on which the country was founded.
J
Mike Hunter - 13 Jun 2006 20:33 GMT I guess it has to do with the words unalienable rights from our creator
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>> remind me again why should have the words god on our money? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > J Hachiroku - 13 Jun 2006 18:35 GMT > remind me again why should have the words god on our money? At a guess because the vast majority of the population think it should be that way and it harks back to the base on which the country was founded.
Hey, I wish I had thought of that before CB! But, it fits like a glove.
Why SHOULDN'T we have God on our money? Our whole monetary system IS based on trust, and if you can't trust God, then who CAN you trust?!?!?!?!
ron - 13 Jun 2006 19:03 GMT For some reason Hach, when I replied to your original post it was deleted. I don't know how this is possible - sorry Ron
Built_Well - 13 Jun 2006 19:26 GMT > Our whole monetary system IS based on trust, and if you can't trust > God, then who CAN you trust?!?!?!?! I trust Santa Claus. "God," after all, is just Santa Claus for adults ;-)
By the way, when are you going to tell us what your conviction was for?
:-) I hope you don't mind my asking (because I very much respect your automotive wisdom and you have a great personality), but just telling us you were convicted of a crime, but then NOT telling us what the crime was just makes everybody wonder--and some will wonder the worst.
I'm guessing you heisted a Supra, right? Can't blame you for that. Or
perhaps domestic abuse?--that's very common.
Just tell us so we can dismiss the worst.
I'm glad you can still vote, though. Them durn God-fearing Bublicans wouldn't let ya, if it were up to them. :-)
Hachiroku - 13 Jun 2006 19:39 GMT >> Our whole monetary system IS based on trust, and if you can't trust >> God, then who CAN you trust?!?!?!?! [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > wouldn't let ya, if > it were up to them. :-) Um, I stuck my 'disc' where it didn't belong... ;)
Not for any kind of gain, or maliciousness...I just saw an opportunity and seized the day. Something about being too smart for one's own britches...? Notice, except at work, I run Linux (Pan Newsreader) Software for Linux is FREE!!! You don't get fined or incarcerated when something is FREE!!!
And the funny thing is, when I *DO* vote, I generally vote Republican! Against the odds...ex-cons are SUPPOSED to vote for Liberal Democrats. but, all in all, I am a Law and Order type, but not into Big Brotherism.
Built_Well - 13 Jun 2006 19:47 GMT > Um, I stuck my 'disc' where it didn't belong... ;) You mean Bill Gates put you in jail! Why, that so-and-so...
Hachiroku - 13 Jun 2006 20:03 GMT >> Um, I stuck my 'disc' where it didn't belong... ;) > > You mean Bill Gates put you in jail! Why, that so-and-so... Well, i don't know if it was him directly, but I recall hearing one of the 'guys' remarking... "What a Pirate!"
So, I got smart! I went to work places where we either sold software (Manufacturers do two things. They either give you 'evaluation copies' so you can extoll the virtues of their product, or you get a huge discount.), or places that BOUGHT me anything I wanted!! I had advance copies of OS/2 Warp, Microsoft Office, Windows 95, Windows NT, Windows 2000 etc, etc all either free or big discounts. Then the Gravy Train stopped. I needed XP for something I was doing for work a couple weeks ago, and I went out and BOUGHT a copy! They won't pay for it, but then again, they pay me enough so that I can.
First OS I've had to pay for since Windows '95. And I've been running Linux for almost 4 years now. There are just some things Windows does better, especially with Hardware...
badgolferman - 13 Jun 2006 20:09 GMT > Um, I stuck my 'disc' where it didn't belong... ;) This conjurs up other thoughts than computer related.
Hachiroku - 13 Jun 2006 20:13 GMT >> Um, I stuck my 'disc' where it didn't belong... ;) > > This conjurs up other thoughts than computer related. Um, that's the point? ;)
Dante - 13 Jun 2006 20:15 GMT >>> Our whole monetary system IS based on trust, and if you can't trust >>> God, then who CAN you trust?!?!?!?! [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Against the odds...ex-cons are SUPPOSED to vote for Liberal Democrats. but, > all in all, I am a Law and Order type, but not into Big Brotherism. You know what they say about Linux... It's only free if your time is worthless. :(
Coyoteboy - 14 Jun 2006 12:08 GMT > You know what they say about Linux... It's only free if your time is > worthless. :( Or you enjoy playing with stuff to make it better than whats already available. Its only those who cant figure it out easily that like to cast doubt over the worth of its users time. We get whatever OS we like here at work, so long as we can get our research done. There are droves of us (from Professors to normal office users) shifting to Linux despite only having to pay £4 for a licence for XP 64. I doubt you could call the time of some of the best scientific and technical minds in the UK worthless, really. Mine maybe :)
J
Dante - 14 Jun 2006 16:11 GMT >> You know what they say about Linux... It's only free if your time is >> worthless. :( [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > J Good point. Too often I see Linux users missing out on the potential of their computers because of driver issues and the like. I've used Linux myself as a desktop environment to develop software in. Once you get it configured to your liking, it's not a bad OS. I personally find it counter productive for developing but that's probably because I've used Windows so long that I'm very efficient with it. Plus I hate the GIMP... :)
Hachiroku - 15 Jun 2006 14:40 GMT >>> You know what they say about Linux... It's only free if your time is >>> worthless. :( [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Windows so long that I'm very efficient with it. Plus I hate the GIMP... > :) You hate the Gimp?!?
I think it's pretty good all in all. It does a lot of things vrey well, and only a few things not so good.
What do you want for nothing? ;)
Hachiroku - 14 Jun 2006 16:36 GMT Dante wrote:
> You know what they say about Linux... It's only free if your time is > worthless. :( Or you enjoy playing with stuff to make it better than whats already available. Its only those who cant figure it out easily that like to cast doubt over the worth of its users time. We get whatever OS we like here at work, so long as we can get our research done. There are droves of us (from Professors to normal office users) shifting to Linux despite only having to pay £4 for a licence for XP 64. I doubt you could call the time of some of the best scientific and technical minds in the UK worthless, really. Mine maybe :)
J
Damn, man where do you get a License for $7.65 US?!?!?! I WANT ONE! Actually, I am happy running Linux, but it IS a M$ world, and there are just some things I have to do with Windows considering the learning curve of Linux for the Average (or _BELOW_) user.
We had a Digital camera at work, and that's why I bought XP. It was My gig to show the Powers That Be how to use it, and it wouldn't access the tape with anything but XP (memory stick=3 mins video...whoopee!)
But, once I got the video off the camera, the BEST application I had for editing it was Lives. So, I off loaded the video, saved it to a common drive, rebooted in Linux and used Lives to edit and compile the final video. It worked Excellent, but training someone else wouldn't be worth it, in my Boss' opinion. I had it all done in under an hour for a 40 min video; overdubbed sound and all.
I can't find a Windows app for less than $70 that would do all that, and even then you don't get anything CLOSE to Lives unless you spend over $100.
But, what gets me is, with a $1000 camera, why the hell didn't Sony include a decent package?
Hachiroku - 14 Jun 2006 16:28 GMT >>>> Our whole monetary system IS based on trust, and if you can't trust >>>> God, then who CAN you trust?!?!?!?! [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > You know what they say about Linux... It's only free if your time is > worthless. :( You should try SuSE. It installs easily, sees 99% of your hardware (or, MY hardware, anyway) and has a plethora of Pre-Compiled apps that work great.
I have had a few hardware issues, but mostly with Bleeding-Edge type stuff, one of my printers and a scanner. Other than that I was off to the races in about 2 hours.
Two hours may seem a lot, but you're not only loading the OS, but you're also loading 90% of the apps you'll EVER have to use. You have a comlplete, up and running and ready to go system when the system reboots.
And, if you are afraid of compiling your apps, you can always try Debian. There are ELEVEN installation disks; 2 for the base OS and NINE with pre-compiled apps. And if that isn't enough, there is a myriad of web sites with MORE pre-compiled apps!
I'd say 2-4 hours of my time is worth $600-1,000. Or the price you would pay for XP Pro, M$ Office, etc, etc, etc.
And if you're REALLY Linux-Phobic, you should try Knoppix. It runs from a CD, sees all your hardware, and has you up and running Linux in 15 minutes, no installation required. If you have trouble running Knoppix, you probably shouldn't have a computer in the first place...
Dante - 14 Jun 2006 19:11 GMT >>>>> Our whole monetary system IS based on trust, and if you can't trust >>>>> God, then who CAN you trust?!?!?!?! [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > If you have trouble running Knoppix, you probably shouldn't have a computer > in the first place... Even though I run windows I still like to have a Linux environment available. (Since I'm a software developer.) The best solution for me is to run either a Ubuntu or Gentoo appliance in a VMWare Player. No installation required and I can run both at the same time.
Hachiroku - 15 Jun 2006 14:44 GMT >>>>>> Our whole monetary system IS based on trust, and if you can't trust >>>>>> God, then who CAN you trust?!?!?!?! [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > to run either a Ubuntu or Gentoo appliance in a VMWare Player. No > installation required and I can run both at the same time. I'm not a developer at all, and that surprises a lot of Hard Core Linux mavens. I just like the idea of being given EVERYTHING and not having to pay Microsoft a dime! Yes, they are the 'standard' and the biggest player, but there IS something else; the learning curve is not THAT steep (esp if yu get a well thought out distribution) and there are advantages like security and the way it handles memory allocation and disk usage. Also, you can usually find just about any application you want, and with more people moving to Linux, more applications become available every month.
And, Linux programmers are ALWAYS open to suggestion! Try telling Bill Gates you don't like the way Outlook handles....
Coyoteboy - 19 Jun 2006 15:18 GMT Hachiroku wrote about hardware///
I have tried SuSe, knoppix, ubuntu and fedora core. Fedora Core is by far the most reliable, easy to install (got it on an on old P2 200, a K6-2 450 laptop and an athlon 2800) without issues. The laptop had vid driver faults that were sorted by setting it to a default vesa driver but i didnt expect much so anything was a bonus TBH.
J
Scott in Florida - 13 Jun 2006 20:13 GMT >Just tell us so we can dismiss the worst. If I remember right he did something you have probably done....but he got caught...
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Built_Well - 13 Jun 2006 21:05 GMT > >Just tell us so we can dismiss the worst. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Scott in Florida Dear Scott, don't accuse me of doing something I have never done. I have Never stolen software.
I have paid for every hunk of junk from Microsoft that I've bought.
And I've Never beaten my wife, like you've _probably_ done ;-)
Scott in Florida - 13 Jun 2006 21:08 GMT >> >Just tell us so we can dismiss the worst. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > And I've Never beaten my wife, like you've _probably_ done ;-) LOL....why don't I believe you?
No one has always paid for all the software they have used....
period
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Built_Well - 13 Jun 2006 21:16 GMT > No one has always paid for all the software they have used.... > > period > > Scott in Florida Ah ha! Scott, you *have* broken the law.
Built_Well - 13 Jun 2006 21:29 GMT Incidentally, I have never been married. Just mentioned "wife" to make a funny point about the word "probably."
Scott in Florida - 13 Jun 2006 21:30 GMT >> No one has always paid for all the software they have used.... >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ah ha! Scott, you *have* broken the law. Yup....
You have also...
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Hachiroku - 14 Jun 2006 16:38 GMT >>> No one has always paid for all the software they have used.... >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > You have also... Hmmmm....never paid for that copy of PaintShopPro, eh? Just keep blowing through the Beg Screen? Or that old copy of ACDSee? Hmmm.....
Built_Well - 14 Jun 2006 17:45 GMT > Hmmmm....never paid for that copy of PaintShopPro, eh? I never had to use Paint Shop Pro. I was lucky enough to buy the full version of Adobe Photoshop at the student price when I was a student ;-)
But I don't really ever use Photoshop either. I almost exclusively use The Gimp nowadays for photo editing. Like you, Hachi, I prefer the much better Linux applications to anything Microsoft or other companies put out for that feeble Bill Gates environment.
We're on the same side when it comes to Linux. Though I prefer Ubuntu to SuSE.
Built_Well - 14 Jun 2006 18:34 GMT Hachiroku wrote:
> You should try... >. You use SuSE Linux. I use Ubuntu Linux. Maybe that's just a Liberal - Conservative difference :-) I don't know.
Hachiroku - 15 Jun 2006 14:48 GMT >> Hmmmm....never paid for that copy of PaintShopPro, eh? > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > We're on the same side when it comes to Linux. Though I prefer > Ubuntu to SuSE. I haven't tried Ubuntu, I have heard good things.
I use Knoppix as a 'rescue disk' if I have a problem with Windows or SuSE; it sees all the partitions and I can offload and burn to CD anything I want to keep, and then reload the OS with no headaches.
SuSE does a MUCH better job of recognizing hardware than any other distro I've used, and I've tried Mandrake (3 Versions), Caldera (2 versions) and even RedHat (2 versions).
Debian has a TON of apps, but I have yet to have any success doing a net install, and I haven't the patience for an 11 disc download...
Built_Well - 17 Jun 2006 00:50 GMT > SuSE does a MUCH better job of recognizing hardware than any other distro > I've used, and I've tried... Hachiroku, didn't you once say a few months ago that your Linux distro was having trouble finding your DSL or cable modem?
You might want to try Ubuntu Linux. Ubuntu found my SURFboard SB3100 without a problem. I didn't have to do a single thing.
Hachiroku - 14 Jun 2006 16:36 GMT >>Just tell us so we can dismiss the worst. > > If I remember right he did something you have probably > done....but he got caught... ROFLMAO!
Scott in Florida - 15 Jun 2006 01:16 GMT >>>Just tell us so we can dismiss the worst. >> >> If I remember right he did something you have probably >> done....but he got caught... > >ROFLMAO! Too bad you are not an illegal immigrant...
Then it would have been ok...
Hachiroku - 15 Jun 2006 14:49 GMT >>>>Just tell us so we can dismiss the worst. >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Then it would have been ok... You've been listening to Howie again!!!
Geoff Miller - 15 Jun 2006 18:36 GMT > remind me again why should have the words god on our money? Because the majority of us *want* them there, and we don't care what you think. Now shaddup and get back in your hole before we turn a water cannon on you.
Geoff
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FanJet - 14 Jun 2006 02:27 GMT > That idiot in California LOST his case againt the US Government. > In God We Trust stays 'on the money'. > Good thing there was a Judge with a BRAIN this time... Yes, and things would improve if we demanded a 3 figure IQ for presidents.
Scott in Florida - 14 Jun 2006 02:37 GMT >> That idiot in California LOST his case againt the US Government. >> In God We Trust stays 'on the money'. >> Good thing there was a Judge with a BRAIN this time... > >Yes, and things would improve if we demanded a 3 figure IQ for presidents. That would let the traitor Kerry and Al Bore out.
Good thing we have a Ivy League Vet as CIC!
Hachiroku - 14 Jun 2006 16:38 GMT >> That idiot in California LOST his case againt the US Government. >> In God We Trust stays 'on the money'. >> Good thing there was a Judge with a BRAIN this time... > > Yes, and things would improve if we demanded a 3 figure IQ for presidents. That's beside the point...
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