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Learning Richard - 20 Jul 2006 21:22 GMT
I just put $25 in my Honda yesterday.  After 175 mi of driving, I lost
about 2/3 of that.  So I'm getting about 22-27 miles per gallon on a
2.2l 4 cylinder.

I'm getting ready to (hopefully) move farther away from work... 55
miles one way.

Should I consider buying a new car?  My car expenses for oil and upkeep
work out to about $200 a month.  The car runs great but I know it has
poor efficiency now.

Would it make sense to say, buy a new Yaris?  Could I come out ahead?
dbu. - 20 Jul 2006 21:29 GMT
> I just put $25 in my Honda yesterday.  After 175 mi of driving, I lost
> about 2/3 of that.  So I'm getting about 22-27 miles per gallon on a
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>
> Would it make sense to say, buy a new Yaris?  Could I come out ahead?

Try and find a home closer to work and keep the car.  If you're just a
young guy you'll be moving a few more times in your working life.  New
cars are a bad investment.
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Learning Richard - 20 Jul 2006 21:34 GMT
> > I just put $25 in my Honda yesterday.  After 175 mi of driving, I lost
> > about 2/3 of that.  So I'm getting about 22-27 miles per gallon on a
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> young guy you'll be moving a few more times in your working life.  New
> cars are a bad investment.

I fancy myself as a young guy... but I'm only a couple of years from
40.  Then there's the whole issue with the fact that rents in DC are
about triple what I'm looking to pay for this house, on one acre...
and the landlady does rent to own which is great for me because I'm not
so settled right now.

Its also right down by cove point, the idyllic little community I've
dreamed of living in for the past 6 years or so...  next to the bay...
so that's not an option.
dbu. - 20 Jul 2006 22:31 GMT


> Its also right down by cove point, the idyllic little community I've
> dreamed of living in for the past 6 years or so...  next to the bay...
> so that's not an option.

Good reason to stay where you are, I'd do the same.
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Scott in Florida - 21 Jul 2006 00:17 GMT
>> > I just put $25 in my Honda yesterday.  After 175 mi of driving, I lost
>> > about 2/3 of that.  So I'm getting about 22-27 miles per gallon on a
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>dreamed of living in for the past 6 years or so...  next to the bay...
>so that's not an option.

You only go around once.

I say.....

Go ahead and buy a new car.

My son's new 06 Corolla gets around 40mpg.

That is one beautiful area.

Go for it!!!

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Mike Harris - 20 Jul 2006 21:36 GMT
>I just put $25 in my Honda yesterday.  After 175 mi of driving, I lost
> about 2/3 of that.  So I'm getting about 22-27 miles per gallon on a
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>
> Would it make sense to say, buy a new Yaris?  Could I come out ahead?

Richard,

This one is a no-brainer.

You'll only be saving around twenty bucks a week in gasoline (25 vs 40 mpg
@$3 per gallon).  From a pure number-cruncher standpoint:  No, it would not
make sense to buy a new Yaris.

That said - I've been where you intend to be.  I've done the 120 mile per
day commute in L.A. traffic - and there's a lot to be said for creature
comforts and reliability.  You are going to be spending a *hell* of a lot of
time strapped into whatever car you're driving.  A good AC, auto trans (if
that's what you like), CD player, cupholders, and the reliability that a new
Toyota will give you - may outweigh any monetary cost.
--
Mike Harris
Austin, TX
Stuart Krivis - 20 Jul 2006 21:52 GMT
>I just put $25 in my Honda yesterday.  After 175 mi of driving, I lost
>about 2/3 of that.  So I'm getting about 22-27 miles per gallon on a
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Would it make sense to say, buy a new Yaris?  Could I come out ahead?

I don't know, you do the math. :-)

Although I like Toyota, I've observed that Hondas generally get better
fuel mileage. Maybe a Fit would be worth looking into?
RT - 21 Jul 2006 20:03 GMT
>>I just put $25 in my Honda yesterday.  After 175 mi of driving, I lost
>>about 2/3 of that.  So I'm getting about 22-27 miles per gallon on a
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>Although I like Toyota, I've observed that Hondas generally get better
>fuel mileage. Maybe a Fit would be worth looking into?

I think the corolla still is one of the least thiursty cars in the
segment. 40mpg can be reached. And no hybrid bs.
High Tech Misfit - 20 Jul 2006 23:01 GMT
> I just put $25 in my Honda yesterday.  After 175 mi of driving, I lost
> about 2/3 of that.  So I'm getting about 22-27 miles per gallon on a
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>
> Would it make sense to say, buy a new Yaris?  Could I come out ahead?

I assume this is an Accord?  Is that 22-27mpg city, highway or mixed?

My '93 Honda Accord automatic usually gets 32-34mpg on the highway.
Big Endian - 20 Jul 2006 23:14 GMT


> My '93 Honda Accord automatic usually gets 32-34mpg on the highway.

How does it do in the ditch?
mack - 21 Jul 2006 00:03 GMT
>I just put $25 in my Honda yesterday.  After 175 mi of driving, I lost
> about 2/3 of that.  So I'm getting about 22-27 miles per gallon on a
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Would it make sense to say, buy a new Yaris?  Could I come out ahead?

I don't know the age of your Honda or the model, but before I started
thinking about getting a new car (count on a minimum of $15k, plus financing
charges) I'd look into tuning the Honda as best I could, with new plugs,
clean and light weight oil, well-adjusted brakes (no dragging) and
well-inflated tires, and a wheel alignment and balance.
Anything that will let your car roll easily.  And perhaps a good swabbing of
the fuel injection wouldn't hurt.
(all these items to be done by a pro mechanic, of course.)
Unless you're going for extreme economy, like over 40 mpg, your increase in
mileage and decrease in gas costs won't make that much difference.   Do the
math.   The depreciation on a new car is so high that you'll still lose
money overall although your gas expense is lower.
Your proposed house 55 miles from your place of work sounds nice, but if it
takes you ....let's say almost 3 hours per day, 5 days a week, you're not
going to spend a whole lot of time there, you'll be on the road.
(oh, one more thing....if you look for high gas mileage in lieu of comfort,
and have to drive 110 miles a day, that little new rattletrap is gonna get
old in a hurry.)
badgolferman - 21 Jul 2006 00:09 GMT
> I just put $25 in my Honda yesterday.  After 175 mi of driving, I lost
> about 2/3 of that.  So I'm getting about 22-27 miles per gallon on a
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Would it make sense to say, buy a new Yaris?  Could I come out ahead?

If you are going to be traveling more and spending more on gas does it
make sense to pick up a car payment and save maybe $10 a tankful?  How
many tankfuls would it take to catch up to the car payments you will be
making?

Presumably you bought a Honda because it costs less to maintain over
the life of the vehicle compared to most others.  Take advantage of
that while you can unless your Honda is starting to cost you money in
repairs.
Hachiroku - 21 Jul 2006 00:18 GMT
> I just put $25 in my Honda yesterday.  After 175 mi of driving, I lost
> about 2/3 of that.  So I'm getting about 22-27 miles per gallon on a
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Would it make sense to say, buy a new Yaris?  Could I come out ahead?

Don't do it! (Move, that is) Unless you are getting a REAL BARGAIN on the
house of your dreams that your wife and kids love, and your kids are going
to a much better school, and you'll save money on taxes.

You aren't going to be there enough to enjoy it.

I lived 58 miles from work from 1988-1994 and again from 1995-1998.
You just aren't home enough to make it worthwhile. And in my case, I had
almost straight highway miles at 50 - 70 MPH. I also had my Hachiroku;
driving it was the ONLY enjoyable thing of the whole deal! (It also racked
the miles up FAST!)

Either move your operation, or find another place closer. You'll get tired
of the drive pretty fast.

Unless you buy a Hachiroku...
Stuart Krivis - 21 Jul 2006 14:13 GMT
>> I just put $25 in my Honda yesterday.  After 175 mi of driving, I lost
>> about 2/3 of that.  So I'm getting about 22-27 miles per gallon on a
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>
>Unless you buy a Hachiroku...

I don't think I'd drive into DC anyway, no matter where around there I
lived. I'd buy a house on a train line and take that. Frederick, MD is
nice, for example.

There are also places farther in that I'm sure are nice too, but I
know about Frederick because I was there a couple of years ago. (I had
to go to DC and did not want to drive in, so I picked a good place to
meet the train and took that in.)
Mike Harris - 21 Jul 2006 14:46 GMT
"Moving closer" or onto a train line is a nice thought - but unless you've
ever tried to buy a house in a major Metro area (NY, DC, Chicago or LA) on a
Honda / Yaris income, I'd respectfully suggest that y'all aren't in a
position to comment.<G>

Unless your income is solidly into the six figure range, you rent - or you
tolerate 3 to 5 hour daily commutes.
--
Mike Harris
...and that's why I live in
Austin, TX

>>> I just put $25 in my Honda yesterday.  After 175 mi of driving, I lost
>>> about 2/3 of that.  So I'm getting about 22-27 miles per gallon on a
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> to go to DC and did not want to drive in, so I picked a good place to
> meet the train and took that in.)
Mike Hunter - 21 Jul 2006 15:25 GMT
Better off asking your boss for a raise or start you own business from home.
;)

mike

> "Moving closer" or onto a train line is a nice thought - but unless you've
> ever tried to buy a house in a major Metro area (NY, DC, Chicago or LA) on
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>> to go to DC and did not want to drive in, so I picked a good place to
>> meet the train and took that in.)
Mike Harris - 21 Jul 2006 15:36 GMT
... Or moving from Los Angeles to Austin.  I can leave work at 5PM and have
the boat in the water by 5:30.
--
Mike Harris
Austin, TX
> Better off asking your boss for a raise or start you own business from
> home. ;)
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>>> to go to DC and did not want to drive in, so I picked a good place to
>>> meet the train and took that in.)
dbu. - 21 Jul 2006 16:27 GMT
> ... Or moving from Los Angeles to Austin.  I can leave work at 5PM and have
> the boat in the water by 5:30.
> --
> Mike Harris
> Austin, TX

Better not advertise that too loudly or you'll have everybody and their
brothers and sisters moving to Austin.

> > Better off asking your boss for a raise or start you own business from
> > home. ;)
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> >>> to go to DC and did not want to drive in, so I picked a good place to
> >>> meet the train and took that in.)

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Scott in Florida - 21 Jul 2006 16:33 GMT
>> ... Or moving from Los Angeles to Austin.  I can leave work at 5PM and have
>> the boat in the water by 5:30.
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>Better not advertise that too loudly or you'll have everybody and their
>brothers and sisters moving to Austin.

and EVERYBODY from Massachusetts...LOL



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Hachiroku - 21 Jul 2006 19:40 GMT
>>> ... Or moving from Los Angeles to Austin.  I can leave work at 5PM and have
>>> the boat in the water by 5:30.
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>
> and EVERYBODY from Massachusetts...LOL

I don't like snakes...

(or Texans!)  

ONLY KIDDING!!!
n5hsr - 22 Jul 2006 03:04 GMT
>>> ... Or moving from Los Angeles to Austin.  I can leave work at 5PM and
>>> have
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>
> and EVERYBODY from Massachusetts...LOL

The liberals could never stand it.

Charles of Schaumburg.

I called someone a Democrat and a liar once, but I was repeating myself.
Truckdude - 22 Jul 2006 18:42 GMT
>>>> ... Or moving from Los Angeles to Austin.  I can leave work at 5PM and
>>>> have
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>
> I called someone a Democrat and a liar once, but I was repeating myself.

I hope you weren't too offended when he twirled his finger next to his head
and gave you a wide berth.
Learning Richard - 23 Jul 2006 20:01 GMT
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> Charles of Schaumburg.

Charles of Slum Burg?  Charlie of Tuna?  Charles in Charge?
Stuart Krivis - 24 Jul 2006 15:22 GMT
>>>> ... Or moving from Los Angeles to Austin.  I can leave work at 5PM and
>>>> have
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>
>The liberals could never stand it.

Austin is not like the rest of Texas in many ways. For instance, it's
far more liberal. :-)
Learning Richard - 22 Jul 2006 04:29 GMT
> >>> I just put $25 in my Honda yesterday.  After 175 mi of driving, I lost
> >>> about 2/3 of that.  So I'm getting about 22-27 miles per gallon on a
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> > to go to DC and did not want to drive in, so I picked a good place to
> > meet the train and took that in.)

> "Moving closer" or onto a train line is a nice thought - but unless you've
> ever tried to buy a house in a major Metro area (NY, DC, Chicago or LA) on a
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> ...and that's why I live in
> Austin, TX

yeah.  I resemble that thought.

I commute 70 miles and on the beltway now... no big deal, I have an mp3
player.  Honda is smooth... responsive, 5 spd... so if I do this thing
I'll prolly just keep dumping money into the honda.  I do want to
erm... have some major work done on the engine at some point.  Not sure
what.  Seems like the oil usage is getting near 1 qt a month and 1/2.
Getting near time for a new timing belt as well.  Water pump.

I was wondering about the bearings in the engine around the camshaft.
Look, that crap is over my head but I know it needs to be tended to.

My travel time won't go up too much, although the distance will go up
about 33 miles roundtrip.  I bet that Honda is good for another 100k as
is, and if I give her some $$ then maybe another 200k.

By the way mileage estimates were prolly way off.  I really can't
complain about mileage, but man that gas.

If only I could fart into my gas tank after a night of cheerios with
whole milk.
badgolferman - 21 Jul 2006 14:56 GMT
Stuart Krivis, 7/21/2006, 9:13:16 AM,
<g8j1c2d6vntuiludao03vqsrpqmrms8kmq@4ax.com> wrote:

> >> I just put $25 in my Honda yesterday.  After 175 mi of driving, I
> lost >> about 2/3 of that.  So I'm getting about 22-27 miles per
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> to go to DC and did not want to drive in, so I picked a good place to
> meet the train and took that in.)

The Metro is no bargain either.  It is expensive to park and ride, not
to mention the hassle of transferring from one line to the other.
Scott in Florida - 21 Jul 2006 15:25 GMT
>The Metro is no bargain either.  It is expensive to park and ride, not
>to mention the hassle of transferring from one line to the other.

hassle?

Try the Tokyo subway system in rush hour....LOL

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Stuart Krivis - 24 Jul 2006 15:33 GMT
>>The Metro is no bargain either.  It is expensive to park and ride, not
>>to mention the hassle of transferring from one line to the other.
>
>hassle?
>
>Try the Tokyo subway system in rush hour....LOL

Actually, DC has some of the best public transportation I've ever
seen. People in DC seem to be more willing to help out-of-towners too.
dbu. - 21 Jul 2006 16:24 GMT
> >> I just put $25 in my Honda yesterday.  After 175 mi of driving, I lost
> >> about 2/3 of that.  So I'm getting about 22-27 miles per gallon on a
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> to go to DC and did not want to drive in, so I picked a good place to
> meet the train and took that in.)

On one of our trips to DC we stopped at a quaint eatery in Frederick, I
don't remember the name.  The place reminded me of French decor,
complete with waiters in white coats and towels draped over the arm.  I
had a California burger with an order of french fries.  It was good, but
what a liberal mix of food and place, LOL.
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Mike Hunter - 21 Jul 2006 15:22 GMT
You can spend the money on gas, or a new car hoping it will do better on
fuel.  The question is how long will it take you to save any money on that
expense even at 40 MPG?   It is like people buying hybrids, at a premium
price, that will buy ALL of the fuel for a conventionally powered comparable
vehicle for three or four years.   The answer it to drive less  ;)

mike hunt

>I just put $25 in my Honda yesterday.  After 175 mi of driving, I lost
> about 2/3 of that.  So I'm getting about 22-27 miles per gallon on a
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Would it make sense to say, buy a new Yaris?  Could I come out ahead?
Scott in Florida - 21 Jul 2006 15:29 GMT
hOn Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:22:31 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:

>You can spend the money on gas, or a new car hoping it will do better on
>fuel.  The question is how long will it take you to save any money on that
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>mike hunt

I think 'quality of life' in an important consideration.

Learning wants to live in a neat area....pretty far away from the
maddening crowd.

A new Yaris with a decent sound system would make the commute an
enjoyable experience.

I have no idea where Learning works, but his pick of a place to live
looks like a winner.



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dbu. - 21 Jul 2006 16:16 GMT
> You can spend the money on gas, or a new car hoping it will do better on
> fuel.  The question is how long will it take you to save any money on that
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> >
> > Would it make sense to say, buy a new Yaris?  Could I come out ahead?

Possible to car pool?  Express bus?  Can you say drive to a bus stop 5
miles away or whatever and catch a bus?  How about the light rail is
that near you?  You could use a combination of car, bus and light rail.  
It's time to think out of the box L. Richard.
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Mike Hunter - 21 Jul 2006 21:02 GMT
You are assuming a lot.  There are many places in the US where one does not
have that option.   ;)

mike hunt

>> You can spend the money on gas, or a new car hoping it will do better on
>> fuel.  The question is how long will it take you to save any money on
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> that near you?  You could use a combination of car, bus and light rail.
> It's time to think out of the box L. Richard.
Truckdude - 21 Jul 2006 16:43 GMT
> You can spend the money on gas, or a new car hoping it will do better on
> fuel.  The question is how long will it take you to save any money on that
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> mike hunt

Speaking of hybrids....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060720/ap_on_bi_ge/taxes_hybrids
mack - 21 Jul 2006 17:51 GMT
Learning Richard has gotten lots of responses to his plea for help.   It
points up a problem that many working folks face, that living space near
your workplace is getting increasingly more prohibitively expensive, less
available, and not as pleasant as a place outside the metro areas of this
nation.    It has come about over the years because our highway system, now
severely overloaded, has made it a lot easier to make long commutes.   It's
such a critical problem throughout the country that employees are not
getting enough sleep or leisure time with their families, spend (now
especially) lots of money on gas and car upkeep, running up the miles on
their cars, etc.
Our public conveyance systems - rail and bus and all - have been far behind
the times, and are resisted by those who value their solitude (or an
irrational love of driving).
Every metro area is affected.   It may be time for the government to get in
on the act, setting up agencies to search for willing folks to swap jobs or
residences.  You've gotta know that for every commuter who drives from
Washington to the middle of Virginia, there has to be another who does just
the opposite.  The situation is insane, and will only get worse.
dbu. - 21 Jul 2006 18:29 GMT
> Learning Richard has gotten lots of responses to his plea for help.   It
> points up a problem that many working folks face, that living space near
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> Washington to the middle of Virginia, there has to be another who does just
> the opposite.  The situation is insane, and will only get worse.

The answer is light rail.  Some driving or using the bus or bicycles
would be needed in distant areas unless you were to rent or buy within
walking distance of a rail depot.    We have light rail and it has
become very popular with commuters and shoppers.  Expansion plans are in
the works.  Road building may be nearing the end due to lack of land,  
and high price of construction.  Light rail is not cheap either, but it
can carry more people with less problems than the individual auto and it
is most always on time.
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Mike Harris - 21 Jul 2006 19:06 GMT
> Every metro area is affected.   It may be time for the government to get
> in on the act, setting up agencies to search for willing folks to swap
> jobs or residences.

Hold on there, Cochise - don't talk dirty.  The last thing I want to fund is
another gummint agency - especially for that.  Why not just call for price
controls on private property so we can all afford to live where we work?
(rolls eyes)

ObToyota - I bought a new Corolla when I bought my house in SoCal; I sold it
six years later with 287K miles on the clock.  At the rate I'm going in
Austin it'll take me another 15 years to put that kind of mileage on my
Tacoma.
--
Mike Harris
Austin, TX
joe - 21 Jul 2006 19:23 GMT
I was in my mid thirties and thought I enjoyed, or at least did not
mind, driving one hour each way on the FWY in stop and go traffic to
downtown LA office.   The real point is that when I stopped and made
it a ten min trip on surface streets - my whole body and outlook on
life changed for the better.  This was a BIG surprise to me in that I
did not mind driving and I was in my prime of life.  Could just
imagine what price I would have paid in later years!

j

>> Every metro area is affected.   It may be time for the government to get
>> in on the act, setting up agencies to search for willing folks to swap
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>Austin it'll take me another 15 years to put that kind of mileage on my
>Tacoma.
Mike Hunter - 21 Jul 2006 21:04 GMT
I'll bet you will not have to do it a 15 MPH either.  LOL

mike hunt

>> Every metro area is affected.   It may be time for the government to get
>> in on the act, setting up agencies to search for willing folks to swap
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> Mike Harris
> Austin, TX
Stuart Krivis - 24 Jul 2006 15:48 GMT
>> Every metro area is affected.   It may be time for the government to get
>> in on the act, setting up agencies to search for willing folks to swap
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>controls on private property so we can all afford to live where we work?
>(rolls eyes)

Yeah, I'm not sure that this is something that the government should
be doing either.

It might work out well on something like Craig's List....
 
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