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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Cars / November 2006Toyota doesn't believe in door side mouldings anymore?
Has anybody noticed that the new Toyota models no longer have door side mouldings to protect against door dings? Look at Camry, Avalon, Rav4, FJ Cruiser. Even with side mouldings cars take a beating from careless inconsiderate people in parking lots. Without them I can only imagine. What is Toyota thinking??? Is this a cost cutting move or is it a case of "style over function" trying to make the car looks as nice as possible in the showroom without caring what happens to it once its sold. Either way, it's a dumb move. I hope this trend doesn't catch on with other carmakers. Although I would prefer door moldings, with repair outlets like Dent Wizard and the flexible metal and paint used in todays cars, fixing a ding is not as big a deal as it used to be. And moldings can cause problems if they let go or are dented themselves. > Has anybody noticed that the new Toyota models no longer have door side > mouldings to protect against door dings? Look at Camry, Avalon, Rav4, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > sold. Either way, it's a dumb move. I hope this trend doesn't catch > on with other carmakers. > Has anybody noticed that the new Toyota models no longer have door side > mouldings to protect against door dings? Look at Camry, Avalon, Rav4, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > sold. Either way, it's a dumb move. I hope this trend doesn't catch > on with other carmakers. Maybe it's because door molding only protects against things that hit the molding. With the preponderance of SUVs & pickup trucks in this country, doors are at too many different heights to predict where they'll hit your car. Side molding do not protect one from dings. What cause the digs are the parts of others doors that do not touch where the molding are located, like the dog leg portion of read doors. Open one of the doors on one of you other vehicles and see for yourself it even comes close to where you molding might be. mike > Has anybody noticed that the new Toyota models no longer have door side > mouldings to protect against door dings? Look at Camry, Avalon, Rav4, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > sold. Either way, it's a dumb move. I hope this trend doesn't catch > on with other carmakers. Has anybody noticed that the new Toyota models no longer have door side mouldings to protect against door dings? Look at Camry, Avalon, Rav4, FJ Cruiser. Even with side mouldings cars take a beating from careless inconsiderate people in parking lots. Without them I can only imagine. What is Toyota thinking??? Is this a cost cutting move or is it a case of "style over function" trying to make the car looks as nice as possible in the showroom without caring what happens to it once its sold. Either way, it's a dumb move. I hope this trend doesn't catch on with other carmakers. Doesn't protect anything when the odd Boston newspaper box takes a header in a blizzard...into your passenger side. Side molding used to matter when others used to care how they parked and opened their door, and the result on their car. Doesn't matter anymore, anyone can buy a s*&t car, what insurance?. Just blam the door open...car style is no longer relevant in the day-to-day driving world. My fantasy is to have a bazooka strapped on to the roof of my Corolla, for her protection. Alas, reality....my lovely 03 Corolla is surviving, no side mouldings, no bazooka. Why fret about the careless, inconsiderates? They are everywhere, and they get away with it. If you know who they are, do something. Don't blame the car-maker, blame the inconsiderates' parents, I dunno. > Has anybody noticed that the new Toyota models no longer have door side > mouldings to protect against door dings? Look at Camry, Avalon, Rav4, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > sold. Either way, it's a dumb move. I hope this trend doesn't catch > on with other carmakers. Perhaps those with closer ties to Toyota can confirm what my omniscient <g> dealer told me. The mouldings tend to be horizontal, whereas the airflow along the side panels is not. By interfering with the flow the mouldings add to air resistance. I pass that along with some skepticism about the magnitude of the effect.  SignatureLady Purse-Wader YahooUK disallows hyphens > Perhaps those with closer ties to Toyota can confirm what my omniscient > <g> dealer told me. The mouldings tend to be horizontal, whereas the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I pass that along with some skepticism about the magnitude of the > effect. Your dealer's excuse sounds just like something a dealer would say. I recall when Plymouths had huge, oversize fishtails on the rear end, and the claim was that they aided in horizontal stability at highway speed. Then some aeronautical engineer stated with some formulas that this effect of horizontal stability would indeed start to kick in....at approximately 170 mph. (only 70 mph or so more than a Plymouth could ever attain.) Is everybody a Toyota apologist here? No, door mouldings don't have to line up to be effective. When a door is swung against the side of another car, you only need 1 car's moulding to make contact to avoid a damaging ding. The key is to avoid metal against metal. If a car has a door moulding at its widest point then (theoritically) it should prevent it from damaging another car. Now that I think about, the moulding protects other doors from dings just as much as it protects its own door. I just went to an auto show and was disappointed by the lack of door mouldings on Toyotas. But I was also disappointed with Toyota in general. Maybe I was expecting too much but I just wasn't impressed by their vehicles. I kind of liked the Highlander (which has mouldings!), but that was it. > Is everybody a Toyota apologist here? No, door mouldings don't have to > line up to be effective. When a door is swung against the side of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > impressed by their vehicles. I kind of liked the Highlander (which has > mouldings!), but that was it. The widest point of the door of the adjacent vehicle is VERY often enough to miss your molding completely. Otherwise, cars with molding wouldn't have dings in their doors. >The key is to avoid metal against metal. If a car has > a door moulding at its widest point then (theoritically) it should > prevent it from damaging another car. Thats bollocks. I'm afraid youre thinking in black and white and the world is grey. The side mouldings on my doors are hard enough to easily dent a nice thick BMW panel (I know from expensive experience) - they do nothing but protect the outer end of your own door. >>The key is to avoid metal against metal. If a car has >> a door moulding at its widest point then (theoritically) it should [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > dent a nice thick BMW panel (I know from expensive experience) - they > do nothing but protect the outer end of your own door. I bet the side molding on my 1988 Supra has prevented about +90% of the door dings it would have on it now without the side molding. Not to mention things like runaway shopping carts. Dan > I bet the side molding on my 1988 Supra has prevented about +90% of the door dings > it would have on it now without the side molding. Not to mention things like runaway > shopping carts. You cant really say that because it doesnt have dings it must be the protectors - thats poor science. Ive yet to see a shopping trolley that was on level with my door protectors. Mouldings aren't everything: My 1993 Corolla has skinny partially-recessed side mouldings, and it still got a ding. Although I tried to pop it back out, it still shows. It seems to come and go with the temperature. The mouldings seem to be real dirt-collectors too. (Perhaps Donald Rumsfeld will hide there when the war crimes prosecutors come looking for him.) - Jack >>The key is to avoid metal against metal. If a car has >> a door moulding at its widest point then (theoritically) it should [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > dent a nice thick BMW panel (I know from expensive experience) - they > do nothing but protect the outer end of your own door. Hi, I'm thinking of buying a new Yaris and guess what? You can have side mouldings for the doors, but here in the UK they are an extra! I don't know how much the side mouldings alone are, but a "Protection Pack" which also includes mud flaps, bumper corner mouldings, scuff plates, mats and a rear bumper protection plate costs £295. Derek. >Has anybody noticed that the new Toyota models no longer have door side >mouldings to protect against door dings? Look at Camry, Avalon, Rav4, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >sold. Either way, it's a dumb move. I hope this trend doesn't catch >on with other carmakers. My '92 Corolla Wagon has body side moldings and I park as far away from a store. I suggest you adopt my method of dent control. Your doctor will be happy, too... SignatureScott in Florida > Has anybody noticed that the new Toyota models no longer have door side > mouldings to protect against door dings? Look at Camry, Avalon, Rav4, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > sold. Either way, it's a dumb move. I hope this trend doesn't catch > on with other carmakers. If all side moldings on all vehicles were at a uniform height, or even if all vehicles' outermost points of their doors (that is phrased really poorly, but can't think of a better way to say it!) were at the same height, side moldings would work, & prevent a bunch of dings. But how may other car/SUV/truck/van doors would hit exactly where the side molding is on my car? IMO, it seems like a great idea at first, until one realizes that the all of the various moldings just don't match up with each other. Cathy > Has anybody noticed that the new Toyota models no longer have door side > mouldings to protect against door dings? Has anyone noticed that very few vehicles have them? Look at the '07 Tahoe, most Nissans, Volvos, etc... Functional or not, side moldings are a slave to style. > Has anybody noticed that the new Toyota models no longer have > door side mouldings to protect against door dings? [...] The Prius (UK T4 model) has them as an option. I opted, having a long experience of how they improve (NB "improve" -- nothing will save you from totally reckless creeps) the odds of dodging bashes from other cars' doors in carparks. My car still gives good mpg. Study the options, not the just vanilla spec. SignatureAndrew Stephenson > Has anybody noticed that the new Toyota models no longer have door side > mouldings to protect against door dings? Look at Camry, Avalon, Rav4, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > sold. Either way, it's a dumb move. I hope this trend doesn't catch > on with other carmakers. Style and reduction of the coefficient of drag are the reasons. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) Buy a Saturn with plastic doors. > Has anybody noticed that the new Toyota models no longer have door side > mouldings to protect against door dings? Look at Camry, Avalon, Rav4, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > sold. Either way, it's a dumb move. I hope this trend doesn't catch > on with other carmakers. > Has anybody noticed that the new Toyota models no longer have door side > mouldings to protect against door dings? Look at Camry, Avalon, Rav4, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > sold. Either way, it's a dumb move. I hope this trend doesn't catch > on with other carmakers. ive got a scion xA, and it doesnt have the strips either. however, its available color-matched as a JDM import, for some rediculous price. >> Has anybody noticed that the new Toyota models no longer have door side >> mouldings to protect against door dings? Look at Camry, Avalon, Rav4, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >ive got a scion xA, and it doesnt have the strips either. however, its >available color-matched as a JDM import, for some rediculous price. You don't need strips if you park at the far end of the parking lot. Plus you get some exercise. Plus you can remember where your car is every time....LOL SignatureScott in Florida >You don't need strips if you park at the far end of the parking lot. > >Plus you get some exercise. Have you ever seen people waiting for a front row spot at the gym? I have. <G> >>You don't need strips if you park at the far end of the parking lot. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >I have. <G> ROFL.... yup I have.... I should not let out my secret about parking way the hell away from my destination. What would happen if we all did that? SignatureScott in Florida >>>You don't need strips if you park at the far end of the parking lot. >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >I should not let out my secret about parking way the hell away from my >destination. What would happen if we all did that? Even when I park all by myself, when I come back there's usually a second car parked extremely close to one side or the other. I think single cars attract other cars for some unknown reason (Murphy's Law)? >>>>You don't need strips if you park at the far end of the parking lot. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >second car parked extremely close to one side or the other. I think >single cars attract other cars for some unknown reason (Murphy's Law)? You are not parking far enough away.... Just parking where there are three empty spots does not do the trick... SignatureScott in Florida Doesn't matter how far away I park from other vehicles , about 50% of the time somebody parks right up next to me anyway .Usually in a junker , or near- junker . -Dana >>> Has anybody noticed that the new Toyota models no longer have door side >>> mouldings to protect against door dings? Look at Camry, Avalon, Rav4, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Plus you can remember where your car is every time....LOL >Doesn't matter how far away I park from other vehicles , about 50% of the >time somebody parks right up next to me anyway .Usually in a junker , or >near- junker . > -Dana LOL... That does happen....just keep up the fight. Your doctor will love you... ...and your car will look better SignatureScott in Florida > Doesn't matter how far away I park from other vehicles , about 50% of the > time somebody parks right up next to me anyway .Usually in a junker , or > near- junker . It ain't an '88 Supra (near junker) or a '92 Grand Voyager (Definite junker!), is it? > -Dana >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >> Plus you can remember where your car is every time....LOL > Doesn't matter how far away I park from other vehicles , about 50% of the > time somebody parks right up next to me anyway .Usually in a junker , or > near- junker . Thats so true. You can park in an empty car park at the far side away from the store and some retard will park within 18 inches of your door and open it with a crack, even with you in the car. Is there some sort of herding instinct in stupid, careless people? Someones parked there - i must be with them..... I've taken to parking diagonally across two bays. I often get comments left under the wiper saying "your parking is crap" but i dont get dented doors. Its funny catching people writing the notes and saying "no, my parking is fine, its other peoples that cause the big dents in my doors which is why i park like this". They dont have much to say after that. J On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:13:43 -0800, sfoy wrote: > Has anybody noticed that the new Toyota models no longer have door side > mouldings to protect against door dings? Look at Camry, Avalon, Rav4, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > sold. Either way, it's a dumb move. I hope this trend doesn't catch > on with other carmakers. I believe AutoZone has them for about $1.20 a foot or something. Get some 3M Weatherstrip Adhesive while you're at it, and line them up properly, or you're going to need a new paint job besides. ;) > Has anybody noticed that the new Toyota models no longer have door side > mouldings to protect against door dings? Ive yet to see a plastic door moulding that was correctly height-aligned for every other doo on every other car. And consequently Ive yet to see a car with plastic protectors that doesnt have dents all over the other parts of the door. The only thing that the plastic trim protects is the end of your own door when you open it against a wall or someone elses car by accident. Interestingly the early 90s european celicas had door trims but the JDM didnt. Mine has but also has a dent right through it which looks worse than just the door damage as the plastic is split. I just got a 2007 Corolla in September, and it came with matching color door side moldings. After the first car wash, my wife found a paint scuff on the passenger side door from another car already. You can be as careful as possible, and park at the outer limits of parking lots, but some careless idiot will still find a way to wreck your day. Years back, just a couple of weeks after I had just purchased my 82 Tercel, I caught a family getting out of their car at a McDonalds and one of their kids winged open her door, slamming it into my new car. The father, who couldn't be bothered to find a spot big enough for his car in the first place, tried to brush it off, but I pressed the issue and got him to pay for the damage. That's the grim reality of our world today, a lot of people just don't give a **** about other people's stuff, especially if they don't get caught causing the damage. If the same were to happen today, chances are I wouldn't even risk talking to the guy, in fear that he would be tempted to do further damage, to me personally. I'd just take his plate number down and file a claim. > Has anybody noticed that the new Toyota models no longer have door side > mouldings to protect against door dings? Look at Camry, Avalon, Rav4, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > sold. Either way, it's a dumb move. I hope this trend doesn't catch > on with other carmakers. |
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