We recently bought a Prius. After disabling the backup beep,
we're very happy with it and all drivers are getting > 50 mpg.
I have two questions that I can't answer by web search:
1) Why is the R N D lever (reverse neutral drive) backwards?
Logically, D ought to be on the top and R on the bottom.
2) Any hints on adjusting the climate control system?
Either we haven't figured it out, or it is designed poorly.
The AC comes on too frequently, and it seems impossible
to regulate airflow and temperature without resorting to
the LCD touch-screen (getting fingerprints all over it).
Even then, it takes a long time to adjust things properly.
> We recently bought a Prius. After disabling the backup beep,
> we're very happy with it and all drivers are getting > 50 mpg.
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> 1) Why is the R N D lever (reverse neutral drive) backwards?
> Logically, D ought to be on the top and R on the bottom.
The sequence for selecting gear ranges is regulated and standard throughout
the industry so that PRNDL is familiar to everyone. Some transmissions add
or omit some ranges so the Prius' CVT gets RND.
> 2) Any hints on adjusting the climate control system?
>
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> the LCD touch-screen (getting fingerprints all over it).
> Even then, it takes a long time to adjust things properly.
If you let the automatic AC do its thing, fan speeds will eventually slow
down after the cabin temperature has reached the desired setting. You can
adjust the temperature setting until the cabin reaches the target
temperature and then re-adjust to the desired setting if you don't want the
fan blasting, or you can just override the fan setting and leave everything
else on auto and just leave it that way.

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> 2) Any hints on adjusting the climate control system?
>
> Either we haven't figured it out, or it is designed poorly.
> The AC comes on too frequently, and it seems impossible
> to regulate airflow and temperature without resorting to
> the LCD touch-screen (getting fingerprints all over it).
If getting fingerprints on the control screen that's meant to be touched
is a big source of worry for you, shoot yourself now and forgo a life of
extreme anxiety.
Scott in Florida - 02 Dec 2006 22:23 GMT
>> 2) Any hints on adjusting the climate control system?
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>is a big source of worry for you, shoot yourself now and forgo a life of
>extreme anxiety.
LOL
That is like putting screen protectors on Palm Handheld Computers...
They are MEANT to be touched...

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Truckdude - 03 Dec 2006 00:59 GMT
>>> 2) Any hints on adjusting the climate control system?
>>>
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>
> They are MEANT to be touched...
Exactly!
Bruce L. Bergman - 03 Dec 2006 06:33 GMT
>>> 2) Any hints on adjusting the climate control system?
>>>
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>That is like putting screen protectors on Palm Handheld Computers...
>They are MEANT to be touched...
BAD EXAMPLE.
Yes, the screens on a Palm or iPaq PDA are meant to be touched - but
the stylus will scratch the hell out of the glass over time. Better
to scratch up the plastic screen protector overlay that can be
replaced when it gets bad.
(Reminds me, I'm about due...)
Fingerprints aren't the problem on a touchscreen if you are using a
tapping motion for the entries. But any dirt or dust on the screen
makes a tap-and-drag type entry motion into a tap-and-scratch.
Keep it clean, make sure the kids don't use a pen or pencil as a
stylus, make sure the wife is using fingertips (skin) and NOT long
nails to make the entries, and you should be fine.
And if you are still paranoid, go find one of the plastic screen
overlays that is bigger than you need, and cut it to fit.
--<< Bruce >>--
Truckdude - 03 Dec 2006 09:29 GMT
>>>> 2) Any hints on adjusting the climate control system?
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> --<< Bruce >>--
I have no scratches after 2 years on my Palm PDA. I wonder if people are
using things other than a stylus.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 03 Dec 2006 14:01 GMT
>>>>> 2) Any hints on adjusting the climate control system?
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> I have no scratches after 2 years on my Palm PDA. I wonder if people are
> using things other than a stylus.
Yup...
Scott in Florida - 03 Dec 2006 14:01 GMT
>>>>> 2) Any hints on adjusting the climate control system?
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>I have no scratches after 2 years on my Palm PDA. I wonder if people are
>using things other than a stylus.
I'm sure that is the problem. I have no problems with mine....

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Scott in Florida - 03 Dec 2006 14:01 GMT
>>>> 2) Any hints on adjusting the climate control system?
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>to scratch up the plastic screen protector overlay that can be
>replaced when it gets bad.
I've had Palms for a LONG time and none of mine are scratched. You
just have to use the correct instrument and NOT grind in.
> (Reminds me, I'm about due...)
>
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>
> --<< Bruce >>--

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Scott in Florida
> We recently bought a Prius. After disabling the backup beep,
> we're very happy with it and all drivers are getting > 50 mpg.
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> Either we haven't figured it out, or it is designed poorly.
> The AC comes on too frequently,
Set the temp higher, and don't have it on defrost at all. The AC runs
whenever the Climate Control is set anywhere near the Windshield. I used
to keep mine set to the Defrost/foot setting, but with the newer cars I
use the Vent/Foot setting to keep the AC off.
> and it seems impossible
> to regulate airflow and temperature without resorting to
> the LCD touch-screen (getting fingerprints all over it).
> Even then, it takes a long time to adjust things properly.
> We recently bought a Prius. After disabling the backup beep,
> we're very happy with it and all drivers are getting > 50 mpg.
I've had mine (a UK-spec "T4") since the end of July 2005. Will
try to help...
> 1) Why is the R N D lever (reverse neutral drive) backwards?
> Logically, D ought to be on the top and R on the bottom.
Think of it as the result of moving the standard automatic gear
stick up onto the dashboard and consider what hand movements a
driver makes when using it. In a Prius, the hand sweeps through
much the same arc, only higher up.
* P(ark) -- a separate button -- is furthest up (forward).
* R(everese), N(eutral) and D(rive) run downwards (backwards).
* A Prius has no distinct gears, so 1/2/3/&c aren't needed.
* B(attery) -- a hybrid special -- is a subset of D(rive) mode.
> 2) Any hints on adjusting the climate control system?
Maybe the UK climate isn't as extreme as where you are. I have
been fairly happy in hot summer and frosty winter. I tend to set
A/C-with-recirculate in hot weather, also in cooler weather if
things are muggy. If the windscreen (US:windshield) gets foggy
on the inside, there is the steering-wheel-mounted defog toggle
button to temporarily switch on A/C blowing up the windscreen.
The AUTO setting seems clever enough, as Ray-O observes. OTOH, I
too feel Toyota's boffins could spend a bit more time on refining
the aircon permutations for extreme conditions.
> [...] and it seems impossible to regulate airflow and
> temperature without resorting to the LCD touch-screen (getting
> fingerprints all over it).
The touch screen is meant to be touched. That's how you control
many of the car systems, nar? If fingerprints bother you, don't
have dirty fingers. IOW no sticky munchies for the driver. :-)
For temperature, I find I have settled on an internal of 20.5 C
(that's, uh, 68.9 F for you Victorians reading this <g>).
I have cleaned the display with a water-moistened paper cloth --
those soft fibrous ones made in kitchen-roll size by Kleenex are
good for many delicate wiping jobs (including DVDs and CDs, BTW).
FWIW I am glad the reversing beep is there. It can save a crunch
through lurching in the wrong direction when one is in a hurry.

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Bill Tuthill - 03 Dec 2006 20:49 GMT
Ray O <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
> The sequence for selecting gear ranges is regulated and standard
> throughout the industry so that PRNDL is familiar to everyone.
> Some transmissions add or omit some ranges so the Prius' CVT gets RND.
Aha! I've never owned an automatic transmission, and neither have my
Prius-driving friends, so I guess we didn't think of this. I still think
it's backwards, especially considering this is such an oddball car.
Scott in Florida <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" on Sat 02 Dec 2006 wrote:
>> If getting fingerprints on the control screen that's meant to be touched
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> That is like putting screen protectors on Palm Handheld Computers...
> They are MEANT to be touched...
Nonetheless it *is* possible to control almost everything
without touching the LCD. Folders on MP3 CDs can't be navigated,
but radio stations and regular CDs do not require touchscreen.
Unless the driver is trying to "glide", the bar-graph fuel display
is more helpful than the transmission-picture display. Gliding
doesn't work at most speeds we must drive, anyway.
Thanks to the help so far, I'll try adjusting temperature (and AC)
from the steering wheel, and wait until the right stuff happens.
> Maybe the UK climate isn't as extreme as where you are. I have
> been fairly happy in hot summer and frosty winter. I tend to set
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> too feel Toyota's boffins could spend a bit more time on refining
> the aircon permutations for extreme conditions.
What I miss most from my previous vehicle is a side vent with
a simple Fresh-Air or Climate-Control lever. That avoids the noise
and electrical consumption of the blower fan.
Consumer Reports said the two biggest drawbacks of the Prius are
"steering feel" (doesn't seem bad to me, but my previous vehicle
was a truck) and "display console". Nonetheless they graded controls
as a half-red circle, which means good but not excellent. I'd say
the display console is fine, except dust and fingerprints need to be
cleaned periodically, but I would have downgraded climate control.
> The touch screen is meant to be touched. That's how you control
> many of the car systems, nar? If fingerprints bother you, don't
> have dirty fingers. IOW no sticky munchies for the driver. :-)
We'll wear latex gloves while driving. ;-)
> For temperature, I find I have settled on an internal of 20.5 C
> (that's, uh, 68.9 F for you Victorians reading this <g>).
That's probably the best place to start. From the factory,
it was set to Victorian 72, which would be 22 C for Modern folks.
> I have cleaned the display with a water-moistened paper cloth --
> those soft fibrous ones made in kitchen-roll size by Kleenex are
> good for many delicate wiping jobs (including DVDs and CDs, BTW).
I'll use the same OptiClean spray I use on my computer monitor.
> FWIW I am glad the reversing beep is there. It can save a crunch
> through lurching in the wrong direction when one is in a hurry.
My friends all turned it off. It really bugged me on the test drive.
With backup camera, it's easy to tell when the vehicle is in reverse.
Bruce L. Bergman - 04 Dec 2006 08:45 GMT
>Ray O <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
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>Prius-driving friends, so I guess we didn't think of this. I still think
>it's backwards, especially considering this is such an oddball car.
It's NOT backwards, in fact it has to be this way so people can get
into almost any car with standardized controls and drive it, without
having to learn a radically different control system for each make and
model - which could cause chaos and mayhem.
(There are still some minor differences - the 'Universal Stalk
Control' for turn signals, wipers and lights is fairly standard - but
there are three or four different variations on the high beam switch
and daytime headlamp signaling. And also several variations on delay
wipers and washers, and cruise control.)
The Feds wrote a standard on this. I just did a quick Google, and
the reference I found points to "The Roberts Bill" (Public Law 88-515
signed into law by President Johnson on August 30, 1964
Once a logical standard like that is set, it often propagates across
the world and is widely adopted. That makes the controls fairly
common on a global basis.
Summary of the relevant section: If you wanted to sell a new car,
station wagon, van, bus or light truck under 10,000 pounds GVWR to the
Government that was the 1967 Model Year or later, it had to have a
list of certain safety equipment and minimum crash safety standards to
meet the GSA requirements:
1. Anchorage for seat belt assemblies.
2. Padded dash and visors.
3. Recessed dash instruments and control devices.
4. Impact-absorbing steering wheel and column displacement.
5. Safety door latches and hinges.
6. Anchorage of seats.
7. Four-way flasher.
8. Safety glass.
9. Dual operation of braking system.
10. Standard bumper heights.
11. Standard gear quadrant, P-R-N-D-L, automatic transmission.
12. Sweep design of windshield wipers-washers.
13. Glare reduction surfaces.
14. Exhaust emission control system.
15. Tire and safety rim.
16. Backup lights.
17. Outside rear view mirror.
Ref: http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/safety.pdf Page 134
--<< Bruce >>--
Bill Tuthill - 05 Dec 2006 03:31 GMT
> The AUTO setting seems clever enough, as Ray-O observes. OTOH, I
> too feel Toyota's boffins could spend a bit more time on refining
> the aircon permutations for extreme conditions...
or non-extreme conditions. Here's something I found on priuschat.com:
Q:
An article mentions that "it is not intuitive or easy to use vented air
from outside without engaging the A/C or heater." So how do you do it?
[Cool vented air from the outside is more energy-efficient than AC.]
A:
Select your fan speed and temp (moderate is always best-- I use 70) and
make sure the little AC button is off. Most times the Prius automatically
turns on the AC, so you must turn on the fan first, then turn off the AC.
...
The only way to get REAL vented air, with no extra power used, is to set it
on manual (whatever fan speed you like) and lower the temperature until
it says "lo" then it won't heat anything... at least I think so.
[Does heating the air use electrical power in a Prius?]
Andrew Stephenson - 05 Dec 2006 17:07 GMT
> [...] Here's something I found on priuschat.com:
>
> [how to select vented air from outside w/o A/C]
Thanks for posting that, Bill. I've wondered (vaguely, I admit)
how to make that work. Toyota should add another button to the
display, whose effect would be to (a) save current settings, (b)
impose the required settings for vented non-A/C'd air, then (c)
when pressed again restores the saved settings.
> [Does heating the air use electrical power in a Prius?]
Don't thinkl so, unless the petrol engine is too cold. Most of
it ought to be done by waste heat. I've not tried what happens
if one just gets into a cold Prius and switches on cabin heat.
But the car does seem to warm quite quickly, so maybe it has an
electrical heater in there, somewhere. Possibly the electrical
parts (motor and switchgear) produce useful heat?

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Bill Tuthill - 05 Dec 2006 19:39 GMT
>> [Does heating the air use electrical power in a Prius?]
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> electrical heater in there, somewhere. Possibly the electrical
> parts (motor and switchgear) produce useful heat?
I'll try the cold-start experiment, if my wife ever lets me drive
the Prius. My truck takes several minutes to have any heat at all.
The priuschat.com website has a members-only article on fuel economy
saying "there is significant [negative] impact on mileage with A/C use"
but they make no such statement about heating.
The hybridcars.com website says the Prius is 20% less efficient
with AC, but this is also true of all or most non-hybrid vehicles.
The article also says "Using heat in the hybrids didn't have a
significant impact at all. The compressor is not running, and
the car uses heat from engine to warm the cabin."
http://www.hybridcars.com/gas-mileage-factors/airconditioning.html
Disabling the rear backup beep may seem like a good idea until you run
someone over because they did not hear your vehicle with just the electric
motor running.
> We recently bought a Prius. After disabling the backup beep,
> we're very happy with it and all drivers are getting > 50 mpg.
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> the LCD touch-screen (getting fingerprints all over it).
> Even then, it takes a long time to adjust things properly.
Cathy F. - 03 Dec 2006 22:04 GMT
But their Prius may well have a rear-view camera.
Cathy
> Disabling the rear backup beep may seem like a good idea until you run
> someone over because they did not hear your vehicle with just the electric
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>> the LCD touch-screen (getting fingerprints all over it).
>> Even then, it takes a long time to adjust things properly.
Pemaquid - 04 Dec 2006 07:04 GMT
> Disabling the rear backup beep may seem like a good idea until you run
> someone over because they did not hear your vehicle with just the electric
> motor running.
Does yours sound outside, Art? Mine only sounds inside. I've assumed
it's intended as yet another warning that the car is in Reverse gear.

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Bill Tuthill - 04 Dec 2006 18:40 GMT
> Disabling the rear backup beep may seem like a good idea until you run
> someone over because they did not hear your vehicle with just the electric
> motor running.
You must never have test driven (or owned) a Prius. The backup beep
is not audible outside the vehicle, only inside the cabin.
Yesterday a pedestrian almost ran me over! The Prius is very quiet,
so it is vulnerable to cross-travellers on foot.
Art - 04 Dec 2006 20:15 GMT
I did test drive one several times. Apparently I incorrectly concluded that
the beep I heard while inside the car was also audible outside the car and
was for the protection of pedestrians due to the quiet electric motor.
Incorrect assumption apparently. Feel free to disable it.
>> Disabling the rear backup beep may seem like a good idea until you run
>> someone over because they did not hear your vehicle with just the
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> Yesterday a pedestrian almost ran me over! The Prius is very quiet,
> so it is vulnerable to cross-travellers on foot.