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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16698153/from/RS.4/ Take THAT! But then my hubby says you guys die from being stressed by us. HA the sequel. :-) Natalie  Signature"Wicked little doll, you are not human; wicked little doll, you have no soul." (David Byrne, 1997) > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16698153/from/RS.4/ > > Take THAT! Heh! :-) This - either the general gist of the article, or the following details - doesn't surprise me in the least: (excerpt from article) "Right behind octogenarians in high risk are young male drivers, ages 16-23, with fatality rates four times higher than average. That can be attributed to "inexperience and immaturity," McCartt said. Drivers aged 40 and 50 tie for the lowest risk of dying in an accident." Nor do these: (Except ... 45,*000* X higher!? Holy crow!) "School buses, massive vehicles driven during normally safe hours, have a death rate that is one-50th that of average passenger vehicles. But the death rate on motorcycles was nearly 32 times higher than for cars. One of the riskiest combinations in the database are men between ages 21 and 24 who drive motorcycles between midnight and 4 a.m. Their road fatality risk is 45,000 times higher than normal. The most deadly hour is at 2 a.m., which is often when bars close and many deaths are alcohol-related, Fischbeck said." Cathy > But then my hubby says you guys die from being stressed by us. HA the > sequel. > > :-) > > Natalie > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16698153/from/RS.4/ > > Take THAT! > > But then my hubby says you guys die from being stressed by us. > HA the sequel. "Male drivers have a 77 percent higher risk of dying in a car accident than women, based on miles driven." Based on miles driven, what do you suppose that means? >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16698153/from/RS.4/ >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Based on miles driven, what do you suppose that means? Deaths per mile driven. In other words, women have X deaths per 100 million miles driven, while men have X x 1.77 deaths per 100 million miles driven. That statistic is for overall gender. There were some surprising results - 82 year old females are the more likely to die in an accident than 16-25 year old males (of course there are fewer 82 year old females on the road). You are not likely to die in a traffic accident in Boston, because Boston's traffic is so messed up that you can't often go fast enough to get into a fatal accident. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16698153/from/RS.4/ >>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Boston's traffic is so messed up that you can't often go fast enough to > get into a fatal accident. Ah-ha - yes, that could explain it! Except on Storrow Drive, where I was driving in a supposed 45 mph zone, yet compared w/the other traffic I was sort of doddering along at 60 - 65. Was relatively doddering because I didn't know exactly where my exit was & was trying to read a map, pay attention to what the cars around me were doing, & read signage... I missed the exit, wound up by the science museum circle, & had to wind my way back down & over... But once on the regular city streets.. yes, pretty slow. (Good thing, since I was still trying to read a map & figure out which streets were 1-way in which direction...) Cathy >>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16698153/from/RS.4/ >>>> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > trying to read a map & figure out which streets were 1-way in which > direction...) WISE drivers, such as myself, consult maps BEFORE setting out on strange streets. > Cathy <snipped> >>> You are not likely to die in a traffic accident in Boston, because >>> Boston's traffic is so messed up that you can't often go fast enough to [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > WISE drivers, such as myself, consult maps BEFORE setting out on strange > streets. No kidding! I did consult maps well ahead of time - both my own maps & on-line; had the route all printed out, highlighted, my own notes, etc. Plus detailed maps of Boston itself. But 1) I'd never driven this route before & couldn't memorize all of it, once off the Mass Pike. Then 2) missed my exit off Storrow Drive, so had to find a parking lot & sit & consult a map again to find new route to final destination in the financial district. Found anbother way to get there, but having never driven these particular streets before, & needing a route that went from street to street to street to street, couldn't memorize it, either. Plus 3) most of Boston's streets being 1-way (some of them, I discovered, go 1-way to a certain corner & thengo 1-way in the other direction!), had to keep checking that I could actually turn where my map said I could turn. Cathy (a wise driver) <snipped> > No kidding! I did consult maps well ahead of time - both my own maps & > on-line; had the route all printed out, highlighted, my own notes, etc. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Cathy (a wise driver) Don't feel bad. I consider myself pretty good with directions, can look at a map for a destination 3 states away and can usually get there without having to refer to the map again. I lived in the Boston area for 10 years and still got lost downtown! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > <snipped> > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > having to refer to the map again. I lived in the Boston area for 10 years > and still got lost downtown! Thank you - a soothing-to-the-soul post! :-) Cathy >> <snipped> >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Thank you - a soothing-to-the-soul post! :-) My point was not to dump on you, personally, just to point out that I LOT of drivers, especially men..sorry to say, absolutely REFUSE to look at a map before hand. > Cathy >>> <snipped> >>> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > of drivers, especially men..sorry to say, absolutely REFUSE to look at a > map before hand. Oh, well, we all know *that*! <g> Cathy >> Cathy > <snipped> > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > having to refer to the map again. I lived in the Boston area for 10 years > and still got lost downtown! Admittedly, even though I have lived here in Edmonton for 60 plus years, there are areas within 1/2 of where I live that I do NOT like going to...especially at night..even with map study before hand. Nothing to do with security..just the crazy layout of the streets. > <snipped> >>>> You are not likely to die in a traffic accident in Boston, because [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > on-line; had the route all printed out, highlighted, my own notes, etc. > Plus detailed maps of Boston itself. Sometimes, the best laid plans of mice and men...... and stuff STILL happens!! > But 1) I'd never driven this route before & couldn't memorize all of it, > once off the Mass Pike. Then 2) missed my exit off Storrow Drive, so had [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Cathy (a wise driver) >> <snipped> >>>>> You are not likely to die in a traffic accident in Boston, because [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Sometimes, the best laid plans of mice and men...... and stuff STILL > happens!! Hey, a post of yours I can agree with! Cathy "Cathy F." <... >... >>> "sharx35" ... [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Cathy I'm a stereotypical woman who can't fathom maps. If I took my time, I'm sure I could follow them, but all those lines make me crazy. Thank gawd for MapQuest... Natalie > "Cathy F." <... >>... [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Natalie But the general idea is there--thinking in advance of one's destination and how to get there. > "Cathy F." <... >>... [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Natalie Me, I love maps. Navigated us around the U.K. for a 3½ week trip w/a detailed atlas of Great Britain that showed every little hamlet. Have lots of maps - a few of the Ordnance Survey maps of Great Britain (very cool - very detailed), the A -Z maps of London, a bunch of the Streetwise maps of various cities... to name a few. Love Terraserver, Topozone, Google Maps, & GoogleEarth, too. Cathy >> "Cathy F." <... >>>... [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > Cathy When I was a kid, my goal was to become a cartographer. I later learned that there was more to cartography than I had originally thought. <snipped>> > Except on Storrow Drive, where I was driving in a supposed 45 mph zone, > yet compared w/the other traffic I was sort of doddering along at 60 - 65. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Cathy Trying to read a map while driving is what gives drivers of both genders a bad rap! Almost as bad are navigation systems - I find it easy to be distracted by the nav display. My wife rarely calls me on my cell phone, and she has an uncanny ability to call only when I have set a destination into the nav system. I use a hands-free earpiece or speakerphone when I'm in the car, and the nav system's female voice always seems to give directions when I'm on the phone with my wife, so she always wants to know what woman is riding with me in the car. The only display that isn't distracting is when the audio system is on AM. When it is on FM, the name of the song comes up on the display and I find myself glancing over to see what is playing, and when the climate system is up, I find myself watching the auto AC change modes and fan speeds. Even the cruise control shows "bogies" detected by the radar and I find myself looking at the cruise control display to see if the bogies pop up as the car approaches another one from behind. At least the AM audio display doesn't have any messages scrolling or icons changing. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > Deaths per mile driven. In other words, women have X deaths per 100 > million miles driven, while men have X x 1.77 deaths per 100 million miles [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > 82 year old females are the more likely to die in an accident than 16-25 > year old males (of course there are fewer 82 year old females on the road). I thought "based upon miles driven" might have implied "based upon more miles being driven by men," if that is the case. I'm sure there is a statistic for that, too. >>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16698153/from/RS.4/ >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > million miles driven, while men have X x 1.77 deaths per 100 million miles > driven. Perhaps more MEN die in car accidents, HOWEVER, dollars to doughnuts, more WOMEN cause MEN to die in these accidents. > That statistic is for overall gender. There were some surprising > results - 82 year old females are the more likely to die in an accident [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Boston's traffic is so messed up that you can't often go fast enough to > get into a fatal accident. "sharx35" <... > "Ray O" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Perhaps more MEN die in car accidents, HOWEVER, dollars to doughnuts, more > WOMEN cause MEN to die in these accidents. *snip* Do I even have to tell you how fwapped you are? Natalie <snipped>>> >> Deaths per mile driven. In other words, women have X deaths per 100 >> million miles driven, while men have X x 1.77 deaths per 100 million >> miles driven. > > Perhaps more MEN die in car accidents, HOWEVER, dollars to doughnuts, more > WOMEN cause MEN to die in these accidents. Yup, like what happened to Chevy Chase in Vacation when Christy Brinkley went cruising by! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) ><snipped>>> >>> Deaths per mile driven. In other words, women have X deaths per 100 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Yup, like what happened to Chevy Chase in Vacation when Christy Brinkley >went cruising by! A classic scene.....for sure!!! SignatureScott in Florida "Ray O" ... > "sharx35" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Yup, like what happened to Chevy Chase in Vacation when Christy Brinkley > went cruising by! You're not helping, Ray... Natalie <snipped> >>> Perhaps more MEN die in car accidents, HOWEVER, dollars to doughnuts, >>> more WOMEN cause MEN to die in these accidents. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Natalie How do you know that you are not causing men to drive off the road when you cruise by in your Echo? SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) "Ray O" ... > "Wickeddoll®" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > How do you know that you are not causing men to drive off the road when > you cruise by in your Echo? That only happened when I first got it. I was living in rural New Hampshire at the time, and didn't see another one for nearly a year. They're weren't looking at *me*. Sometimes I'd come out of a store, and find a small group of guys standing around it. I'd have to explain what it was. Natalie > "Ray O" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Natalie Is NH THAT rustic? "sharx35"... > "Wickeddoll®" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Is NH THAT rustic? That part of NH, yes. But I didn't mean they didn't know it was a *car* LOL Natalie >> How do you know that you are not causing men to drive off the road when >> you cruise by in your Echo? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Natalie You are too modest. While the Echo has many good attributes, the style is something only its designers could love, therefore, it must have been the driver that the guys were interested in!!! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) "Ray O" .. > "Wickeddoll®" ... > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > something only its designers could love, therefore, it must have been the > driver that the guys were interested in!!! HA! Nah, they asked specific questions about it - not as though they wanted one, but just so they'd know what that "thing" is. Natalie > "Ray O" .. >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Natalie Suuure, I bet they also complimented you on your shoes and purse! If you had one of those little dustmop dogs, they would have asked all sorts of questions about the dog as well! ;-) SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) "Ray O" ... > "Wickeddoll®" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > had one of those little dustmop dogs, they would have asked all sorts of > questions about the dog as well! ;-) Riiiight. I don't think they even looked at me the whole time I was talking to them. LOL As for those little dogs - if you're going to have something that can't protect you, then just get a cat. At least then you don't have to bathe it. :-) Natalie Wickeddoll® sez... Ray O has stepped into this mess with: >> Suuure, I bet they also complimented >> you on your shoes and purse! > Riiiight. I don't think they even looked > at me the whole time I was talking to > them. LOL Hey Natalie, I think some guys in here have a crush on you. ;~) _________ ===fish=== ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ "fish" <... > Wickeddoll® sez... > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > ===fish=== > ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Nah, Ray's happy with Mrs. O, and I'm happy with Wick Hubby - he's just a nice guy. Natalie > Wickeddoll® sez... > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > ===fish=== > ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Hachi is the one who wants the picture of her in a bikini! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >> Wickeddoll® sez... >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ >Hachi is the one who wants the picture of her in a bikini! ...and the rest of us don't? SignatureScott in Florida <snipped> >Hachi is the one who wants the picture of her in a bikini! > > ...and the rest of us don't? Hey, I'm just duckin' and pointing fingers! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) "Scott in Florida" " >>"fish" ... >>> Wickeddoll® sez... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > ...and the rest of us don't? You don't... Natalie "Ray O" ... > "fish" ... >> Wickeddoll® sez... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ > Hachi is the one who wants the picture of her in a bikini! Trust me - he really doesn't. Not these days, anyway. Natalie > "Ray O" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Natalie Our dog is a wimp, but at least his barking used to warn us of the presence of a stranger approaching the house and he seemed to be large enough to convince people to stay away. He seems to have gone deaf in the past year, so the utility of our theft deterrent system has declined. Per decree by Mrs. O, the cats rule the roost. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >> "Ray O" ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >so the utility of our theft deterrent system has declined. Per decree by >Mrs. O, the cats rule the roost. I suspect that decree came from the cats....too... SignatureScott in Florida <snipped> >>Our dog is a wimp, but at least his barking used to warn us of the >>presence [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I suspect that decree came from the cats....too... LOL! My wife complains about rooms cooling down in the winter and warming up in the summer if we stay in a particular room for more than a half hour or so. She doesn't believe me when I tell her that if she moved the cats that have followed us into the room off of the floor vents, things would improve. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) ><snipped> >>>Our dog is a wimp, but at least his barking used to warn us of the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >that have followed us into the room off of the floor vents, things would >improve. ROFL... You can NOT win against..... Cats..... Women.... SignatureScott in Florida ><snipped> >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Women.... Yup, I am at the bottom of the food chain! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >><snipped> >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Yup, I am at the bottom of the food chain! LOL...Aren't we all.... SignatureScott in Florida "Scott in Florida" " >>"Wickeddoll... >>> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > I suspect that decree came from the cats....too... Yup. Natalie >> "Ray O" ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > past year, so the utility of our theft deterrent system has declined. Per > decree by Mrs. O, the cats rule the roost. And the cats most probably agree. ;-) "Cats rule & dogs drool" (some more than others!) - courtesy of "Sassy" the cat in "Homeward Bound". >^..^< Cathy <snipped> >> Our dog is a wimp, but at least his barking used to warn us of the >> presence of a stranger approaching the house and he seemed to be large [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Cathy Yup, which is why our cats are above our dog in the household food chain! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) "Cathy F." ... > "Ray O" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Cathy I used to love that movie. :-) Natalie > "Cathy F." ... >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Natalie Me, too. :-) Cute movie. Years ago, I bought it for my classroom, for viewing on one of the last-days-in-June-when-the-kids-are-higher-than-kites and the-room-is-hotter-than-all-get-out days. When my niece was little, she refused to watch it again after seeing it once - she couldn't deal w/the Sassy in the river part. Even though she *knew* it came out fine in the end. But then she was also a child who refused to eat ham or pork for *years* after seeing "Babe". ;-) Cathy "Cathy F."... > "Wickeddoll®" ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Cathy Awww, a sensitive soul. She'll be a kind adult if she continues that attitude. Natalie > "Cathy F."... >> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > Awww, a sensitive soul. She'll be a kind adult if she continues that > attitude. I hope so, & I think so. She grew up in a home which has always had animals - presently 5 dogs & 4 cats (many of them rescues), plus an aquarium of fish. She's 19 already - holy mackerel. Over Christmas break had been working at their vet's, enjoying doing various odd jobs until classes started up again at school - where she's in an OT program; so... looking good. Cathy > Natalie >>> "Ray O" ... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Cathy Well said! My owner, a black DMH called Heidi, agrees. >>>> "Ray O" ... >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > Well said! My owner, a black DMH called Heidi, agrees. Smart kitty. (non cat people: DMH - domestic medium hair) Cathy <snipped> >> Well said! My owner, a black DMH called Heidi, agrees. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Cathy DMH: I learned something new today! We have the 3 classic cat personalities covered: Sneaky hunter - black Siamese cat, worst offender for blocking the vents when the heat is on, will sit at the table and watch everyone eat waiting to jump up on the table and lick your plate if you step away from the table for any reason. If nobody else is at the table, always take your plate with you unless you don't mind cat cooties. This cat loves hot spicy Buffalo wing sauce. Used to be useful for catching bugs in the house but he is slowing down. Fat lazy cat - Maine Coon, looks like Garfield, worst offender for coughing up hairballs right by the side of the bed so that your bare feet hit the ooze in the morning. Very loveable, loves to lay on your pillow when you go to bead, useful for keeping your head warm. Scardy cat - calico, worst offender for not going to anyone but my wife. Useful for pre-warming the bed but disappears the minute I walk in the room. Transforms from a meek scardy cat to an aggressive swatter after ingesting catnip. Dog - Sneaky hunter's victim, feels left out because the sneaky hunter can score table scraps from anywhere on the table or counter, while the dog can only score if someone leaves food at the edge of the table or counter, makes it up by licking the dishes while they are being loaded in the dishwasher. Rabbit - sneaky hunter bait SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > <snipped> >>> Well said! My owner, a black DMH called Heidi, agrees. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Rabbit - sneaky hunter bait Yet some wonder why I often prefer the company of cats to people!! >> "Ray O" ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > past year, so the utility of our theft deterrent system has declined. Per > decree by Mrs. O, the cats rule the roost. Cats are not owned. Cats own. :-) Natalie >>> "Ray O" ... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > Natalie We are known as "staff". "sharx35" <... >> "Ray O"... >>> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > We are known as "staff". LOL you'll appreciate this: Pet Diaries Excerpts from a Dog's Daily Diary: 8:00 am - Dog food! My favorite thing! 9:30 am - A car ride! My favorite thing! 9:40 am - A walk in the park! My favorite thing! 10:30 am - Got rubbed and petted! My favorite thing 12:00 pm - Lunch! My favorite thing! 1:00 pm - Played in the yard! My favorite thing! 3:00 pm - Wagged my tail! My favorite thing! 5:00 pm - Milk bones! My favorite thing! 7:00 pm - Got to play ball! My favorite thing! 8:00 pm - Wow! Watched TV with the people! My favorite thing! 11:00 pm - Sleeping on the bed! My favorite thing! Excerpts from a Cat's Daily Diary: Day 683 of my captivity: My captors continue to taunt me with bizarre little dangling objects. They dine lavishly on fresh meat, while the other inmates and I are fed hash or some sort of dry nuggets. Although I make my contempt for the rations perfectly clear, I nevertheless must eat something in order to keep up my strength. The only thing that keeps me going is my dream of escape; in an attempt to disgust them, I once again vomit on the floor. Today I decapitated a mouse and dropped its headless body at their feet. I had hoped this would strike fear into their hearts, since it clearly demonstrates what I am capable of. However, they merely made condescending comments about what a "good little hunter" I am. The audacity! There was some sort of assembly of their accomplices tonight. I was placed in solitary confinement for the duration of the event. However, I could hear the noises and smell the food. I overheard that my confinement was due to the power of "allergies." I must learn what this means, and how to use it to my advantage. Today I was almost successful in an attempt to assassinate one of my tormentors by weaving around his feet as he was walking. I must try this again tomorrow -- but at the top of the stairs. I am convinced that the other prisoners here are flunkies and snitches. The dog receives special privileges. He is regularly released - and seems to be more than willing to return. He is obviously retarded! The bird has got to be an informant. I observe him communicate with the guards regularly. I am certain that he reports my every move. My captors have arranged protective custody for him in an elevated cell, so he is safe....... for now... Natalie > LOL you'll appreciate this: > > Pet Diaries > > [...] LOL. Familiar concept but well done. Good fun. SignatureAndrew Stephenson >>> How do you know that you are not causing men to drive off the road when >>> you cruise by in your Echo? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > something only its designers could love, therefore, it must have been the > driver that the guys were interested in!!! Keep sucking up, Ray, but I happen to know that a major "fwap" is coming your way! >>>> How do you know that you are not causing men to drive off the road when >>>> you cruise by in your Echo? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Keep sucking up, Ray, but I happen to know that a major "fwap" is coming > your way! Yeah, I already got fwapped! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) sharx35 sez... > Perhaps more MEN die in car accidents, > HOWEVER, dollars to doughnuts, more > WOMEN cause MEN to die in these > accidents. Did it occur to anyone that a slow moving Prius (gender does not matter) would cause someone (gender does not matter) in a big rig to swerve and jacknife into oncoming traffic? _________ ===fish=== ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ > sharx35 sez... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > ===fish=== > ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Oncoming traffic has slow drivers too. Thank god for those little openings. > Oncoming traffic has slow drivers too. Thank god for those little openings. Here's a very interesting read on this subject: http://www.amasci.com/amateur/traffic/traffic1.html >> sharx35 sez... >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Oncoming traffic has slow drivers too. Thank god for those little > openings. When even passing, I *assume* that ALL oncoming vehicles are speeding. That way, I always have enough time to pass and to safely return to my original lane. "fish" ... > sharx35 sez... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > ===fish=== > ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ So I take it you're not getting a Pious...um Prius? :-) Natalie Wickeddoll® respectfully sez... >> Did it occur to anyone that a slow moving >> Prius (gender does not matter) would cause >> someone (gender does not matter) in a big >> rig to swerve and jacknife into oncoming >> traffic? > So I take it you're not getting a Pious...um Prius? Hi Natalie! Actually, I just got back from the market and when I just happen to park next to the new Prius. The woman who stepped out had a SMILE on her face. I can tell she was happy about all the gas she is saving. =) With my Saturn parked next to the Prius, I could tell that there was very little storage in the rear. I am hoping for more storage than I currently have actually. I envy the Prius woman for the gas she is saving, but do not envy her for her lack of storage. So, the RAV 4 is on my list. I submitted the online price quotes - so far, nothing as of yet. _________ ===fish=== ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ "fish" <... > Wickeddoll® respectfully sez... > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I can tell she was happy about all the gas she is saving. =) Yeah, but she paid thru the arse for that thing. That car is strictly for saving the planet, not saving $$ - at least not yet. > With my Saturn parked next to the Prius, I could tell that there was very > little storage in the rear. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I envy the Prius woman for the gas she is saving, but do not envy her for > her lack of storage. Or her payments... > So, the RAV 4 is on my list. > > I submitted the online price quotes - so far, nothing as of yet. > _________ > ===fish=== > ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Good luck! Natalie > "fish" <... >> Wickeddoll® respectfully sez... [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Yeah, but she paid thru the arse for that thing. That car is strictly for > saving the planet, not saving $$ - at least not yet. I figure if one likes the Prius & usually spends over 20K for new cars anyway (not me, but a lot of people do), then it's pretty much a no-brainer. But otherwise... Cathy >> With my Saturn parked next to the Prius, I could tell that there was very >> little storage in the rear. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Natalie >> "fish" <... >>> I can tell she was happy about all the gas she is saving. =) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > anyway (not me, but a lot of people do), then it's pretty much a > no-brainer. But otherwise... That would be me. We seriously looked at the Yaris, test drove it and all. We liked the price. We did not like the cardboard-like feeling of it. The Prius is much more of a real-feeling car and drives a lot nicer. We also figured that with our mile per year and at 45 MPG (which is what we are realistically getting) it will take about 4-5 years to come out ahead. We plan on having it for about 10 years, as we do with all of our cars. I spent over $20K on the Jeep, over $20K on this with all the factors added in worked out to something that I did again. Tomes >>> "fish" <... >>>> I can tell she was happy about all the gas she is saving. =) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > all. We liked the price. We did not like the cardboard-like feeling of > it. The Prius is much more of a real-feeling car and drives a lot nicer. I took an in-between route w/ a Corolla. (I can't attest to the cardboardy feeling, having never been in a Yaris.) > We also figured that with our mile per year and at 45 MPG (which is what > we are realistically getting) it will take about 4-5 years to come out > ahead. We plan on having it for about 10 years, as we do with all of our > cars. I spent over $20K on the Jeep, over $20K on this with all the > factors added in worked out to something that I did again. > Tomes My mileage isn't high, & I usually keep my cars for 6 years, so the Prius still came about around $5K more expensive, even with the Corolla being a loaded LE. So... no Prius. Yet. If I ever do get one, it will be a large present to myself. Cathy >>> I figure if one likes the Prius & usually spends over 20K for new cars >>> anyway (not me, but a lot of people do), then it's pretty much a [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > being a loaded LE. So... no Prius. Yet. If I ever do get one, it > will be a large present to myself. Yep, this works out differently for folks' different parameters. Looks like you are making the right choices with your parameters at this time. Tomes >snip< > I figure if one likes the Prius & usually spends over 20K for new cars > anyway (not me, but a lot of people do), then it's pretty much a > no-brainer. But otherwise... > > Cathy Me and a few others felt that since we're older and have the money why not look for something technologically different and fuel efficient. mark_ >>snip< >> I figure if one likes the Prius & usually spends over 20K for new cars [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > look for something technologically different and fuel efficient. > mark_ If I can get equivalent or better ****performance**** and STILL pay $20 thousand LESS, who needs to be on the cutting edge? >>>snip< >>> I figure if one likes the Prius & usually spends over 20K for new cars [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > If I can get equivalent or better ****performance**** and STILL pay $20 > thousand LESS, who needs to be on the cutting edge? Just curious. What brand and model food mixer do you own? I own a KitchenAid heavy duty that lifts the mixing bowl. The other type is similar but the bowl locks in place with a slight turn. I just got my hands on a commercial quality 2 slice toaster. Finally can have a slice of toast evenly toasted and in less than two minutes. Talk about performance! mark_ >>>>snip< >>>> I figure if one likes the Prius & usually spends over 20K for new cars [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > toast evenly toasted and in less than two minutes. Talk about performance! > mark_ Perfect examples MARGINALLY better performance for probably TRIPLE the cost. You are just into trying to impress people. You fail. You throw money around--the mark of an insecure loser. >>>>>snip< >>>>> I figure if one likes the Prius & usually spends over 20K for new cars [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > cost. You are just into trying to impress people. You fail. You throw > money around--the mark of an insecure loser. If that's what you believe then don't bother with me and I won't bother you. Simple! >>>>>>snip< >>>>>> I figure if one likes the Prius & usually spends over 20K for new [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > If that's what you believe then don't bother with me and I won't bother > you. Simple! I will continue to call YOU and anyone else on your bullshit. Count on it. Deal with it. >>>>>>>snip< >>>>>>> I figure if one likes the Prius & usually spends over 20K for new [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > I will continue to call YOU and anyone else on your bullshit. Count on it. > Deal with it. You're an a.shole. Prove me wrong. >>>>>>>>snip< >>>>>>>> I figure if one likes the Prius & usually spends over 20K for new [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> > You're an a.shole. Prove me wrong. You've already proven that through your own posts. Case closed. Move along. >>>>>>>>>snip< >>>>>>>>> I figure if one likes the Prius & usually spends over 20K for new [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > You've already proven that through your own posts. Case closed. Move > along. Sorry fella. Nothing has changed. Try again. >>>>snip< >>>> I figure if one likes the Prius & usually spends over 20K for new cars [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > toast evenly toasted and in less than two minutes. Talk about performance! > mark_ I know where you're going with that, I think, but I don't think it's a matter of buying trash vs. quality stuff. I could afford a Prius too, but I don't find it worth the price - period. Natalie >>>>>snip< >>>>> I figure if one likes the Prius & usually spends over 20K for new cars [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Natalie I could *afford* to buy all sorts of the snob line stuff, too. However, I value my money too much to do so. If I can get 90% of the performance for one THIRD the price, I go for it. >>>>>snip< >>>>> I figure if one likes the Prius & usually spends over 20K for new cars [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Natalie How come you assume he buys trash? mark_ >>>>>>snip< >>>>>> I figure if one likes the Prius & usually spends over 20K for new [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > How come you assume he buys trash? > mark_ Just because a consumer item isn't branded with the crème del a crème name doesn't mean that it is trash. Careful buying can get a person an item with almost all the features of the crème item at far less cost. But, of course, one couldn't impress others with their off label purchases eh? "mark_digital©".. > "Wickeddoll®" ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > How come you assume he buys trash? > mark_ I thought that was what you were implying. That he would buy something simply because it's cheaper, but low-quality. Mea culpa Natalie >>snip< >> I figure if one likes the Prius & usually spends over 20K for new cars [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > look for something technologically different and fuel efficient. > mark_ But *my* point was that you don't buy that car to save money, per se. Natalie >>>snip< >>> I figure if one likes the Prius & usually spends over 20K for new cars [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Natalie {shrug}ok > "fish" <... >> Wickeddoll® respectfully sez... [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Or her payments... Doesn't ANYONE pay cash anymore for new vehicles? >> So, the RAV 4 is on my list. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Natalie sharx35 inquired... > Doesn't ANYONE pay cash anymore for new vehicles? I always do. I have no clue what a payment or a mortgage even looks like. _________ ===fish=== ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ "fish" <... > sharx35 inquired... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ===fish=== > ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Smart. Very smart. Natalie > "fish" <... >> sharx35 inquired... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Natalie With a little help from the First Bank of Nancy, I paid cash for my 1995 Corolla. I paid cash for my 1993 Corolla back in 1999. I paid cash for my 1980 Red Corolla. The last time I had a bank loan was getting the Previa. The time before that was getting the 95 S-10 that I dumped before the payments were up. Charles of Schaumburg > "fish" <... >> sharx35 inquired... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Natalie I did too. No need to pay extra interest if one does not need to. When I got the Jeep it was a 0% loan. That I do. Tomes >> "fish" <... >>> sharx35 inquired... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > got the Jeep it was a 0% loan. That I do. > Tomes On 0% loans they simply build the REAL financing cost into the cost of the vehicle. >> "fish" <... >>> Wickeddoll® respectfully sez... [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Doesn't ANYONE pay cash anymore for new vehicles? Do you? Natalie >>> "fish" <... >>>> Wickeddoll® respectfully sez... [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> > Do you? Yes, thanks to my more frugal life style, learned from the mistakes of my youthful days. > Natalie >"fish" <... >> Wickeddoll® respectfully sez... >>> So I take it you're not getting a Pious...um Prius? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Yeah, but she paid thru the arse for that thing. That car is strictly for >saving the planet, not saving $$ - at least not yet. Buying a Prius "for the fuel savings" would make actual and actuarial sense /only/ for someone who literally drove it their car in stop and go city-traffic mode all day, every day. A Rural Mail Carrier with a curbside box route, or a courier for a Clinical Laboratory making pickups at every medical office in town... I wonder if they could sell a US-Spec Prius in Right Hand Drive...? Once upon a time, Subaru used to think there was enough money there to bring in RHD Legacy Wagons, and I hear the same rumors of Jeep Liberty and CJ models. --<< Bruce >>-- >>"fish" <... >>> Wickeddoll® respectfully sez... [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > --<< Bruce >>-- Think about it, Bruce. Can you live without that sound of the US postal truck closing in on your mailbox? >>>Yeah, but she paid thru the arse for that thing. That car is strictly for >>>saving the planet, not saving $$ - at least not yet. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Think about it, Bruce. Can you live without that sound of the US postal >truck closing in on your mailbox? I found a figure of over 200,000 trucks and cars, 140,000 LLV's. With the size fleet they have, and the miles they put on every day, that's a LOT of fuel ripe for the saving. I could live without that sound, especially since I'm usually not here to listen for it. --<< Bruce >>-- "mark_digital©" ... > "Bruce L. Bergman" >>>"fish" <... [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Think about it, Bruce. Can you live without that sound of the US postal > truck closing in on your mailbox? With their squeaky brakes. Natalie > Wickeddoll® respectfully sez... > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > So, the RAV 4 is on my list. The Prius has enough storage area for the day to day stuff, especially when you put the back seat down. It is not meant to be a truck or a van. This is why I also kept the Sienna, for those trips. Tomes >> Wickeddoll® respectfully sez... >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > This is why I also kept the Sienna, for those trips. > Tomes When one adds up all the extra costs for a second vehicle, e.g. registration, insurance, maintenance, etc etc, it is not usually frugal to maintain it. Cheaper to get the help of a friend or a rental vehicle for such rare occasions. It's incredible how some people will do exhaustive research on saving a few pennies on a new vehicle purchase, failing to realize that they could save THOUSANDS by NOT keeping the second vehicle. >>> Wickeddoll® respectfully sez... >>> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > research on saving a few pennies on a new vehicle purchase, failing to > realize that they could save THOUSANDS by NOT keeping the second vehicle. We had to have 2 vehicles, since we work in very different areas, so it was a matter of simple practicality. But I guess you probably mean people who have an extra car they don't really need. Natalie >>>> Wickeddoll® respectfully sez... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Natalie But of course. In your situation that need would be an almost daily occurence, not just once in a while. >>> When one adds up all the extra costs for a second vehicle, e.g. >>> registration, insurance, maintenance, etc etc, it is not usually [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > But of course. In your situation that need would be an almost daily > occurence, not just once in a while. Yep, one needs the vehicles to cover the needs. I am glad we agree on this. 3 people going in 3 different directions needs 3 vehicles. 3 different vehicle types for 3 different job applications adds up to that too. We have a third driver and we have an application where we load up and pull a camper many times per year. We did look at the costs and they are merely in the hundreds of dollars for the extra vehicle that serves the needs and that books for only about $3500 with these miles on it (not getting much back for selling it, and then we would need to arrange for a vehicle to fill those other needs). Thus we keep the Sienna. Tomes >>>> When one adds up all the extra costs for a second vehicle, e.g. >>>> registration, insurance, maintenance, etc etc, it is not usually frugal [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > vehicle to fill those other needs). Thus we keep the Sienna. > Tomes We ended up getting a second vehicle because we were putting too many miles on the cars (36,000 per year) and the one driver that did most of the driving. The next year, we drove one car about 12,000 miles and the other about 9,000 or so. Charles of Schaumburg > Wickeddoll® respectfully sez... > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > I submitted the online price quotes - so far, nothing as of yet. That *smile* she had might have been due to the presence of a out-of-sight portable electrical device. And, no, I do NOT mean a pacemaker. > _________ > ===fish=== > ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ > "fish" ... >> sharx35 sez... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Natalie Well, not the Pious...I mean Prius. However, the 4 cyl in the Camry has been beefed up so much that I MIGHT, just might consider it instead of the 6 cyl. which I have at present, in my 99. > sharx35 sez... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > ===fish=== > ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Precisely my point: slow-moving or irratically drivern vehicles cause a LOT of accidents, too. Speed does NOT automatically mean carelessness. People with MY reactions, for example, are well able to travel, under certain conditions, at speeds in excess of the posted limit. >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16698153/from/RS.4/ >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Based on miles driven, what do you suppose that means? I wondered about that one myself. Not really sure, other than maybe a women driving 20 miles is less likely to die than a guy going the same distance? Natalie >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16698153/from/RS.4/ >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Based on miles driven, what do you suppose that means? Deaths per mile; if one person drives more miles than another person, one pretty much (depending on other variables - time of day, road conditions, age, etc.) automatically stands higher chances of being in an accident. So... to even the field & make the numbers meaningful, it's based on deaths per mile. Cathy > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16698153/from/RS.4/ > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Natalie I can see how that works. Especially after I saw a woman backing up on a rotary... |
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