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The Toyota site has info on the new Highlander - no prices. Wife's comment was, "it better have better seats than the one you have now" I guess that means she wants to sit in it before I buy? Ron > The Toyota site has info on the new Highlander - no prices. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Ron To me, it looks like a big Rav4, the wheel arches look like they are from a Mitsubishi Endeavor. I'm planning on going to the Chicago Auto Show, I'll have to check it out there. (it is nice to go as a spectator and not stand around handing out brochures and bags all day)  SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) Good Ray - she hates the seats in the Highlander but we usually take it on trips. The interior looks like our Avalon (05) and she loves the seats in it. I was beside the Mitsu today and yeah, now you mention it are similar. I don't know about 19" wheels that they say are standard. Ride? >> The Toyota site has info on the new Highlander - no prices. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I'll have to check it out there. (it is nice to go as a spectator and not > stand around handing out brochures and bags all day) > Good Ray - she hates the seats in the Highlander but we usually take it on > trips. The interior looks like our Avalon (05) and she loves the seats in > it. > > I was beside the Mitsu today and yeah, now you mention it are similar. I > don't know about 19" wheels that they say are standard. Ride? IMO, the trend towards larger wheels is more of a style thing - vehicles look more substantial with larger wheels and the larger wheels do improve ground clearance. The larger wheels also add unsprung weight so theoretically, handling will be worse but in most cases, people never notice. Wheel size affects ride quality to the extent that the larger sidewall area provides more cushioning, but the biggest effect on ride quality is suspension design. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) Larger wheels are normally fitted with lower profile tires, thus there is no significant increase or decrease in the overall diameter or circumference of the tire wheel combination - an no increase in ground clearance. Jack >> Good Ray - she hates the seats in the Highlander but we usually take it >> on trips. The interior looks like our Avalon (05) and she loves the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > sidewall area provides more cushioning, but the biggest effect on ride > quality is suspension design. > Larger wheels are normally fitted with lower profile tires, thus there is > no significant increase or decrease in the overall diameter or > circumference of the tire wheel combination - an no increase in ground > clearance. > > Jack Good point! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >> The Toyota site has info on the new Highlander - no prices. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >have to check it out there. (it is nice to go as a spectator and not stand >around handing out brochures and bags all day) Take your camera and send us pictures!!! SignatureScott in Florida >>> The Toyota site has info on the new Highlander - no prices. >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Take your camera and send us pictures!!! Oh yeah, make me look like a Japanese tourist! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >>>> The Toyota site has info on the new Highlander - no prices. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Oh yeah, make me look like a Japanese tourist! Hell, I do....but you look the part a bit more than me. Nothing wrong with that!!!! SignatureScott in Florida >>>>> The Toyota site has info on the new Highlander - no prices. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Nothing wrong with that!!!! Well, instead of charging me $5 for a hot dog, they'll want $10! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >>>>>> The Toyota site has info on the new Highlander - no prices. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >Well, instead of charging me $5 for a hot dog, they'll want $10! I'll send the extra to ya!!! Do you have a PayPal account? ....waiting for some pictures from my favorite 'Japanese tourist'... SignatureScott in Florida <snipped> >>Well, instead of charging me $5 for a hot dog, they'll want $10! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > ....waiting for some pictures from my favorite 'Japanese tourist'... I'm planning on going on the 17th or 18th. I'll have to visit the Aston Martin exhibit while I'm there <g> Since I'm not paying for tickets (the dealer my dad and I send all the referrals gets us passes), I suppose I could spring for hot dogs, but I'm cheap. We'll hit Chinatown for duck on the way home and go out for Chicago deep dish pizza or ribs afterwards. A former co-worker is coming up from Indiana to spend the long weekend with us. The wives get to catch up and complain about the guys' bad habits (cars and camping with the Scouts) while the guys get to hit the auto show. Like me, he also spent time standing around the Boston auto show handing out bags and brochures so he like checking out all of the exhibits. It will probably be Sunday or Monday before I can send the pictures. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) ><snipped> >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >It will probably be Sunday or Monday before I can send the pictures. I look forward to seeing them. You could get a couple of shots of the gals for us dirty old men...LOL If you want, send them to Hachi and I'm sure he would post them on his favorite web site for all to see! SignatureScott in Florida >><snipped> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > You could get a couple of shots of the gals for us dirty old men...LOL Being the coureteous and kind factory reps that we were, we used to drive the models back to their hotel at the end of the day so they wouldn't have to take a taxi. Not that I would have had any clue as to which modeling agencies are famous or not, but I asked them which agency they worked for, and I distinctly remember the name... it was the Ford Agency LOL! > If you want, send them to Hachi and I'm sure he would post them > on his favorite web site for all to see! Sounds like a plan! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >>><snipped> >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >agencies are famous or not, but I asked them which agency they worked for, >and I distinctly remember the name... it was the Ford Agency LOL! Ahhhhh the days of the trade shows!!! I damned near got fired when our CEO came into a 'courtesy' bar I set up for our company at a trade show. He said "Who the hell put Jack Black on the bar...I don't even have that on my bar at home". He asked that of the classy blond I had hired to take care of our suite...LOL Trade shows? A LOT of fun....and a hell of a lot of work. >> If you want, send them to Hachi and I'm sure he would post them >> on his favorite web site for all to see! > >Sounds like a plan! SignatureScott in Florida > To me, it looks like a big Rav4, the wheel arches look like they are from a > Mitsubishi Endeavor. I'm planning on going to the Chicago Auto Show, I'll > have to check it out there. (it is nice to go as a spectator and not stand > around handing out brochures and bags all day) What's most interesting to me is Toyota's comment: "The 2008 Highlander is expected to get better gas mileage than the current model." Recently I compared fuel economy of the RAV4, Subaru Outback, Escape hybrid, and Highlander hybrid. The Ford Escape wins, but among models recommended by Consumer Reports, the RAV4 wins. The RAV4 has a surprising amount of cargo space, and comfortable seating for four. Considering its high price, it's easy to reject the Highlander hybrid. City/combined/highway mileage: 17/23/29 RAV4 4 15/22/29 RAV4 V6 14/21/31 Subaru 4 13/19/28 Subaru V6 22/26/29 Escape hybrid 16/22/28 Highlander hybrid If my Trooper broke down today, I'd get a RAV4 V6 4WD. If my Trooper lasts until next summer, I'll look at the 2008 Highlander. For a "recreational" 4WD vehicle, highway mileage seems more important than city mileage. >> To me, it looks like a big Rav4, the wheel arches look like they are from >> a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > What's most interesting to me is Toyota's comment: "The 2008 Highlander > is expected to get better gas mileage than the current model." The current 4 cylinder Highlander has a 4 speed transmission and the V6 has a 5 speed transmission. I would imagine that a combination of different differential and transmission ratios or a 6 speed transmission would improve fuel economy. > Recently I compared fuel economy of the RAV4, Subaru Outback, Escape > hybrid, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > until next summer, I'll look at the 2008 Highlander. For a "recreational" > 4WD vehicle, highway mileage seems more important than city mileage. In your comparison, the Highlander is a larger vehicle than the Rav4, Outback, and Escape so it would be at a fuel economy disadvantage. I would imagine that the hybrid drivetrain in the Escape is pretty comparable to Toyota's hybrid drivetrains since it is supplied by Aisin, a Toyota group company. A more valid comparison for the Highlander would be the Mitsubishi Endeavor, Ford Edge, GM's crossovers, and the Kia and Hyundai crossovers. As I'm sure you're aware, EPA fuel economy numbers tend to be optimistic when compared to real world figures, and IMO, the smaller the engine, the more optimistic fuel economy numbers tend to be because a small engine has to work harder to overcome variables like weight, road incline, and aerodynamic drag. For example, when we put a roof top carrier on our 4 cylinder 2.4 liter Previa or towed a 1,000 lb trailer with 7 passengers aboard, our real world high fuel economy dropped from about 21 to 14. Putting the same roof top carrier on our 4.7 liter V8 Sequoia made no measurable difference in fuel economy, and towing a larger 3,000 lb trailer decreased highway fuel economy about 2 MPG to about 14. Our kids are starting to move out of the house and I don't drive carloads of Boy Scouts or cheerleaders around every week like I used to. Since we do not need the passenger or cargo capacity of the Sequoia, after our daughter is off to college, I'm thinking that a Rav4 or Highlander would be sufficient for our needs. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > In your comparison, the Highlander is a larger vehicle than the Rav4, > Outback, and Escape so it would be at a fuel economy disadvantage. I guess it's bigger, but it has .5 cubic foot less cargo space than the RAV4 or Escape, which both have 38.5 cubic feet according to CR. Here is the comparison with cargo space included: cargo CR city/combo/ cu.ft. highway 38.5 17/23/29 RAV4 4 38.5 15/22/29 RAV4 V6 31.0 14/21/31 Subaru 4 31.0 13/19/28 Subaru V6 38.5 22/26/29 Escape hybrid 38.0 16/22/28 Highlander hybrid > As I'm sure you're aware, EPA fuel economy numbers tend to be optimistic > when compared to real world figures, Those fuel economy numbers were from Consumer Reports road testing. Agreed about EPA numbers. > ... For example, when we put a roof top carrier on our 4 > cylinder 2.4 liter Previa or towed a 1,000 lb trailer with 7 passengers > aboard, our real world high fuel economy dropped from about 21 to 14. That's certainly what happens with the Subaru. With kayaks on top, we typically experience under 20 MPG from a 6-cylinder Outback. > Putting the same roof top carrier on our 4.7 liter V8 Sequoia made no > measurable difference in fuel economy... Interesting. However my friend with a Chevy Silverado does notice a drop-off in fuel economy with stuff on the roof. I'm not certain he has quantified this. Aerodynamics certainly play a role, because the old Silverado is big and has very poor coefficient of drag. Naw it is because the Silverado is so wide it can carry six guys, not four, and one can load their SIX kayaks SIDEWAYS. Besides domestics do not rely on spinning the engine to get HP, therefore they have a lot more torque available to pull a bigger load in higher gears than underpowered Toyota and Subarus LOL >> ... For example, when we put a roof top carrier on our 4 >> cylinder 2.4 liter Previa or towed a 1,000 lb trailer with 7 passengers >> aboard, our real world high fuel economy dropped from about 21 to 14. > > That's certainly what happens with the Subaru. With kayaks on top, > we typically experience under 20 MPG from a 6-cylinder Outback. > Interesting. However my friend with a Chevy Silverado does notice > a drop-off in fuel economy with stuff on the roof. I'm not certain > he has quantified this. Aerodynamics certainly play a role, because > the old Silverado is big and has very poor coefficient of drag. >> The Toyota site has info on the new Highlander - no prices. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > have to check it out there. (it is nice to go as a spectator and not stand > around handing out brochures and bags all day) And speak Japanese, just to throw them off...? >The Toyota site has info on the new Highlander - no prices. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Ron You can take that statement to the bank...LOL SignatureScott in Florida >>The Toyota site has info on the new Highlander - no prices. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You can take that statement to the bank...LOL Or he can find out how comfortable the couch is to sleep on! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >>>The Toyota site has info on the new Highlander - no prices. >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Or he can find out how comfortable the couch is to sleep on! Man 'must' learn who is boss....LOL SignatureScott in Florida I do know who the boss is. I call her maam too! Actually been married for over 33 years and we do good. We had an 02 Avalon with same engine as our Highlander (3.0) - she drives same route to work/back and the 05 Avalon is a good 2mpg better. Its got less than 13K so expect it will improve. We like the Highlander for size and the new one should do well for us - the RAV 4, even though nearly identical to my Highlander in specs does feel smaller to me. I am too old/fat to change my ways so will be a Highlander when the bloom goes off. |
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