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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Cars / February 2007Joe Bidens Iraq plan.
Finally a politician who understands what needs to been done in order to succeed in Iraq. Time to take control of this war away from Bush and impliment a sensible plan. A Plan to Hold Iraq Together http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/23/AR2006082301419.html Joe Biden: Hillary Clinton's Plan for Iraq a 'Disaster' http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story?id=2837456 [snipped] I know you forgot to put the OT in the Subject line so I'll so it for you. Hopefully others who reply to you will follow suit. > [snipped] > > I know you forgot to put the OT in the Subject line so I'll so it for > you. Hopefully others who reply to you will follow suit. Great idea, for idiots who aren't quite sure if "Joe Bidens Iraq plan" is off topic in an automobile newsgroup. > > [snipped] > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Great idea, for idiots who aren't quite sure if "Joe Bidens Iraq plan" is > off topic in an automobile newsgroup. To be fair, people actually come to this group to read about Toyotas (who knew?), and filter out the OT. As someone suggested some time ago using {OT} or OT: is easier to filter and is a good idea. >> > [snipped] >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > (who knew?), and filter out the OT. As someone suggested some time > ago using {OT} or OT: is easier to filter and is a good idea. That's a mystery to me. It's not that hard to NOT LOOK at what you don't want to read. However, there may be health issues which cause problems for some people. The human brain naturally makes a chemical which causes us to NOT remember absolutely everything we see all day. Without this chemical, we'd be unable to focus. There would simply be too much stimulation from all the sights and sounds. It's suspected that ADHD is related to an imbalance with this chemical. (Trivia: Marijuana interacts directly with the chemical, which explain a few things). Maybe OT filters are for people with an imbalance of this chemical. > > > [snipped] > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > (who knew?), and filter out the OT. As someone suggested some time > ago using {OT} or OT: is easier to filter and is a good idea. OT: is not good because MSOE has a bug that strips anything before : and replaces it with Re: of its own. I have mentioned this before in here and some people took note and changed their way. Don't pay attention to Joe, no one else does either. >> > > [snipped] >> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Don't pay attention to Joe, no one else does either. You have more important things to think about, but you're not aware of them. > [snipped] > > I know you forgot to put the OT in the Subject line so I'll so it for > you. Hopefully others who reply to you will follow suit. Thanks, appreciate it, and will remember next time. No amount of American blood and treasure will make two peoples love each other and live in peace. The quickest way to peace in Iraq is for us to leave. The ethnic cleansing will quickly escalate and in short order we will have a shiastan in the south and a sunnystan in the center to go with the present kurdistan in the north (the only peaceful stan in Iraq).. The only one opposed to this will of course be our commander in chief of the military industrial complex, Mr Cheney, who's 'blind' stock portfolio will stop growing. It has already tripled in value since he got into office. Remember it was a republican war general who warned us of the MIC, and what do we geniuses do? We make its leader our VP at the same time we make a dufas our president. God bless America. > [snipped] > > I know you forgot to put the OT in the Subject line so I'll so it for > you. Hopefully others who reply to you will follow suit. I heard a Iraqi diplomat on NPR a few weeks ago. The fatal floor in Biden's plan, according to the diplomat, is that the populations are not stratified. In other words there is no way to divide the country into ethnic areas without large shifts in populations by sect. He also said that the belief that these sects have been fighting for hundreds of years is simply not true. He claimed that they were living together peacefully before Saddam's takeover but now they have lost decades of experience in governing themselves in a peaceful way. I don't know whether what he said was true. Here is my plan for Iraq. Move most of our troops to Afghanistan and attack al qaeda even if it means going into the lawless arrays of Pakistan under protest. Hopefully foreign insurgents and al qaeda in Iraq will follow us to the new war zone and leave Iraq to solve its own problems. > Finally a politician who understands what needs to been done in order > to succeed in Iraq. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Joe Biden: Hillary Clinton's Plan for Iraq a 'Disaster' > http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story?id=2837456 > I heard a Iraqi diplomat on NPR a few weeks ago. The fatal floor in Biden's > plan, according to the diplomat, is that the populations are not stratified. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I don't know whether what he said was true. They have been fighting on and off for hundreds of years. The reality is that there appears to be no solution to getting them to form a sectarian government. This is what they finally did in Bosnia and they've had 10 years of peace. I think this is the only thing that may work. What alternative is there? Bush's plan is all but guaranteed to fail. >> I heard a Iraqi diplomat on NPR a few weeks ago. The fatal floor in >> Biden's [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > peace. I think this is the only thing that may work. What alternative > is there? Bush's plan is all but guaranteed to fail. The area has been infested by us, the British and the Russians for too damned long. Time for everyone to leave. That's what they want. I'm sure they'd be happy to accept our oil purchases, though, no matter who runs the mess. > I heard a Iraqi diplomat on NPR a few weeks ago. The fatal floor in Biden's > plan, according to the diplomat, is that the populations are not stratified. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > protest. Hopefully foreign insurgents and al qaeda in Iraq will follow us > to the new war zone and leave Iraq to solve its own problems. Then allow Iran to move into Iraq and set up a Iran controlled puppet government. > > Finally a politician who understands what needs to been done in order > > to succeed in Iraq. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Joe Biden: Hillary Clinton's Plan for Iraq a 'Disaster' > > http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story?id=2837456 -- > In article <DTICh.209$PL....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>, > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Then allow Iran to move into Iraq and set up a Iran controlled puppet > government. That's exactly what will happen. Saudi Arabia has also said that they will not allow that, and will back the Sunis. >> In article <DTICh.209$PL....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>, >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > That's exactly what will happen. Saudi Arabia has also said that they > will not allow that, and will back the Sunis. Yep... I wish them all lots of fun killing each other. Meanwhile we do what we should have done in the beginning.... wipe out al quaeda. > >> In article <DTICh.209$PL....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>, > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Yep... I wish them all lots of fun killing each other. Meanwhile we do > what we should have done in the beginning.... wipe out al quaeda. If Iraq goes into a civil war between the Sunnis and the Shiites, Al Quada will be even stronger as they support the Sunnis backed by Saudi money. In the end it will be either an Iranian controlled Iraq or an Al-Quada controlled iraq. I think Bidens plan holds the best chance for this not happening. "ToMh" .. > Finally a politician who understands what needs to been done in order > to succeed in Iraq. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Joe Biden: Hillary Clinton's Plan for Iraq a 'Disaster' > http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story?id=2837456 Maybe he'll make them feel all warm and fuzzy by telling them how clean and articulate they are. Natalie > "ToMh" .. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Natalie And maybe they won't over react to it and worry about more important issues. I guess you have to be a lot more careful about what you say, if your opponent is black, 'cause Al and Jesses are just chomping at the bit to use that race card. On Feb 20, 2:33 pm, "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958diespammers...@yahoo.com> wrote: > "ToMh" .. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Natalie >And maybe they won't over react to it and worry about more important >issues. I guess you have to be a lot more careful about what you say, >if your opponent is black, 'cause Al and Jesses are just chomping at >the bit to use that race card. Hopefully you will have the chance to be publicly praised by someone for being clean and articulate. I'll expect you to humbly say "thank you" and not be offended because you assumed it was a given. > On Feb 20, 2:33 pm, "Wickeddoll®" > <wickeddoll1958diespammers...@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > being clean and articulate. I'll expect you to humbly say "thank you" and > not be offended because you assumed it was a given. I believe he called him the FIRST articulate..... the word "first" was the problem. >> On Feb 20, 2:33 pm, "Wickeddoll®" >> <wickeddoll1958diespammers...@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > I believe he called him the FIRST articulate..... the word "first" was > the problem. Geez! If you think "first" is the only problem with what was said, you are as bad or worse than tomh is! >>> On Feb 20, 2:33 pm, "Wickeddoll®" >>> <wickeddoll1958diespammers...@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Geez! If you think "first" is the only problem with what was said, you > are as bad or worse than tomh is! Looks like this thread is no longer comprehensible. Calling him the "FIRST articulate black......" was certainly the problem in referring to him as articulate. There were certainly other problems. On Feb 20, 2:33 pm, "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958diespammers...@yahoo.com> wrote: > "ToMh" .. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Natalie And maybe they won't over react to it and worry about more important issues. I guess you have to be a lot more careful about what you say, if your opponent is black, 'cause Al and Jesses are just chomping at the bit to use that race card. Well, that *was* an incredibly stupid thing for him to say! OTOH, one can't throw the baby out w/the bath water; one stupid comment does not an all-around idiot make. Cathy > On Feb 20, 2:33 pm, "Wickeddoll®" > <wickeddoll1958diespammers...@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Cathy You, of anyone, surely know THAT!! "Cathy F." ... > "ToMh" ... "Wickeddoll®" >> wrote: >> "ToMh" .. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Cathy Easy to call it "overreacting" for some. I think he's an a.s, but I thought so long before that incident. This isn't the only blunder this guy has made, by a long shot. For the record, I have no interest in voting for Obama, or anyone else who's in the race right now. Jackson and Sharpton are probably the most obnoxiously loud blacks known to America, but I don't know of anyone who truly considers them our leaders. Too bad they're perceived as such. I still say that comment shows much more about Biden than his supporters would like to see. But that's just me... ...and many others. Natalie Joe Biden admitted what he said was pretty dumb on the Daily Show. And it was. It was also probably incorrect. He called the guy "clean". Smokers usually stink like smoke. Certainly not a clean smell in my opinion. On Feb 20, 2:33 pm, "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958diespammers...@yahoo.com> wrote: > "ToMh" .. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Natalie And maybe they won't over react to it and worry about more important issues. I guess you have to be a lot more careful about what you say, if your opponent is black, 'cause Al and Jesses are just chomping at the bit to use that race card. > Joe Biden admitted what he said was pretty dumb on the Daily Show. And it > was. It was also probably incorrect. He called the guy "clean". Smokers > usually stink like smoke. Certainly not a clean smell in my opinion. I think he meant "clean" as in no criminal record, but no matter what he meant, it implies that prior black candidates were in some way dirty, and inarticulate. Wotta maroon Natalie > On Feb 20, 2:33 pm, "Wickeddoll®" > <wickeddoll1958diespammers...@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > if your opponent is black, 'cause Al and Jesses are just chomping at > the bit to use that race card. >> Joe Biden admitted what he said was pretty dumb on the Daily Show. And >> it was. It was also probably incorrect. He called the guy "clean". [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Natalie Agreed. >> Joe Biden admitted what he said was pretty dumb on the Daily Show. And >> it was. It was also probably incorrect. He called the guy "clean". [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Natalie It'll be interesting to see what kind of maroons come out of the woodwork to hound Giuliani. Remember what happened with Mario Cuomo? "JoeSpareBedroom" ... > "Wickeddoll®"... >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > It'll be interesting to see what kind of maroons come out of the woodwork > to hound Giuliani. Remember what happened with Mario Cuomo? Here's a good assessment of the candidates, in my not-so-humble opinion: http://cagle.com/working/070219/varvel.jpg :-) Natalie "ToMh" < "Wickeddoll®" > wrote: > "ToMh" .. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Natalie And maybe they won't over react to it and worry about more important issues. I guess you have to be a lot more careful about what you say, if your opponent is black, 'cause Al and Jesses are just chomping at the bit to use that race card. TomH I'm sorry, Tom, but if he'd said that about an Asian, or Hispanic candidate, I would have thought he was just as bigoted. Natalie > "ToMh" < > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Natalie Actually, compared to Bush, everyone is articulate. "Art" ... > "Wickeddoll®" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Actually, compared to Bush, everyone is articulate. What, cuz he can't say nook-u-lar? :-) Natalie >> "ToMh" < >> "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Actually, compared to Bush, everyone is articulate. Compared to YOU, everyone is a genius. > "ToMh" < > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Natalie Listening to Biden and knowing how the media is, I believe this is just another case where what he said wasn't what he really meant and the media was right there to jump all over it. I really don't think Biden actually believes what he said. I think it was just a case of his mouth going ahead of his brain. The media waits in ambush for any politician to do this, and this I find more worrisome than what was said. Just "Listening to Biden and knowing how the media is, I believe this is just another case where what he said wasn't what he really meant and the media was right there to jump all over it. I really don't think Biden actually believes what he said. I think it was just a case of his mouth going ahead of his brain. The media waits in ambush for any politician to do this, and this I find more worrisome than what was said." How are we supposed to determine when he means what he says and when he doesn't? And what is up with this media that records what you say when you speak in public?? ;-) > "Listening to Biden and knowing how the media is, I believe this is > just another case where what he said wasn't what he really meant and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > How are we supposed to determine when he means what he says and when he > doesn't? Ask him? Do you really think a public figure can never have a slip of the tongue, and never be allowed to correct himself? > And what is up with this media that records what you say when you speak in > public?? ;-) It's what they choose to focus on. >> "Listening to Biden and knowing how the media is, I believe this is >> just another case where what he said wasn't what he really meant and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Ask him? Do you really think a public figure can never have a slip of > the tongue, and never be allowed to correct himself? I am sure he regrets saying it, but what he said was more than a "slip of the tongue." It's okay, now we know how he really thinks. >> And what is up with this media that records what you say when you speak >> in >> public?? ;-) > > It's what they choose to focus on. It was newsworthy. "ToMh" > "Wickeddoll®" > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Natalie Listening to Biden and knowing how the media is, I believe this is just another case where what he said wasn't what he really meant and the media was right there to jump all over it. I really don't think Biden actually believes what he said. I think it was just a case of his mouth going ahead of his brain. The media waits in ambush for any politician to do this, and this I find more worrisome than what was said. Just TomH Well, while I know politicians are (mostly) human, if you're going to speak publicly (I mean, come on, they prepare most of what they say), you'd better make sure your inference is clear. I don't think that's too much to ask of those who would govern, let's face it, the world. Having said that, I had issues with that mutton chop long before this. Natalie > "ToMh" > > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > Natalie It does seem as though a number of politicians have made statements lately that they have had to appologize for, (take back), Kerry for one and now Biden, there may be more, I have not kept track. I think it's intentional and their tactic is to plead forgiveness later, all the while making their convoluted point and at the same time getting praise for appologizing later. -- >> "ToMh" >> > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > while making their convoluted point and at the same time getting praise > for appologizing later. I haven't heard Bush and Cheney apologize for their screw ups in Iraq. Just thought someone should throw that in. > >> "ToMh" > >> > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > I haven't heard Bush and Cheney apologize for their screw ups in Iraq. Just > thought someone should throw that in. thanx for that. We knew you'd keep on top of it :) -- >I haven't heard Bush and Cheney apologize for their screw ups in Iraq. Just >thought someone should throw that in. What screw ups?  SignatureScott in Florida > >I haven't heard Bush and Cheney apologize for their screw ups in Iraq. Just > >thought someone should throw that in. > > What screw ups? Are you kidding? Scott, I'd like a serious answer from you for a change because it's simply unrealistic to think that Cheney and GW Bush haven't made very serious mistakes with Iraq. >> >I haven't heard Bush and Cheney apologize for their screw ups in Iraq. >> >Just [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > change because it's simply unrealistic to think that Cheney and GW > Bush haven't made very serious mistakes with Iraq. Didn't you hear the latest? Cheney says that the British pulling out of Basra is a sign of success. All except for the fact that the DoD has declared Basra one of two areas that are *least* ready for transition to Iraqi forces. OOPS! >>> >I haven't heard Bush and Cheney apologize for their screw ups in Iraq. >>> >Just [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > declared Basra one of two areas that are *least* ready for transition to > Iraqi forces. OOPS! Don't these various people talk, or read one another's blabber plans before opening their mouths? >>>> >I haven't heard Bush and Cheney apologize for their screw ups in Iraq. >>>> >Just [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Don't these various people talk, or read one another's blabber plans > before opening their mouths? With Cheney it doesn't matter. If his lips are moving, he's lying. > "ToMh" >> "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > Natalie Quite frankly, the guy had brain cancer and is one of the few who survived it pretty much in one piece. Throw him some slack. Do I think he should be running for president? Nope. But it is time to forget about what he said. > > "ToMh" > >> "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > it pretty much in one piece. Throw him some slack. Do I think he should be > running for president? Nope. But it is time to forget about what he said. slack like you threw at Bush? -- >> > "ToMh" >> >> "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > slack like you threw at Bush? Does Bush have brain cancer? >>> > "ToMh" >>> >> "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > Does Bush have brain cancer? wouldn't brain cancer, by definition, require a brain? > wouldn't brain cancer, by definition, require a brain? He beat the best chumps you could muster. Yep, the best of the best democrats and Bush whumped them. -- >> wouldn't brain cancer, by definition, require a brain? > > He beat the best chumps you could muster. Yep, the best of the best > democrats and Bush whumped them. Once according to all I've read and appointed the first time. And "whumped" lol. Now considering GWB's grandiose plans to be emperor, it is a good thing he is so incompetent. Will Rogers must have seen GWB coming when he said: 'Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for' He's your president and be thankful he is. Had it been one of others we'd be fighting the terrorists here rather there. -- > He's your president and be thankful he is. Had it been one of others > we'd be fighting the terrorists here rather there. Those are opinions WE do not share. > > He's your president and be thankful he is. Had it been one of others > > we'd be fighting the terrorists here rather there. > Those are opinions WE do not share. You can opinion all you want he's still your president, that is unless you are not a U.S. citizen. -- >> > He's your president and be thankful he is. Had it been one of others >> > we'd be fighting the terrorists here rather there. >> Those are opinions WE do not share. > > You can opinion all you want he's still your president, that is unless > you are not a U.S. citizen. And as a U.S. Citizen , I have the right to criticize the pathetic performance of "the current occupant" of the office and the witless opinions you so often post here. Constitutional right-- see if you can find it. > >> > He's your president and be thankful he is. Had it been one of others > >> > we'd be fighting the terrorists here rather there. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > opinions you so often post here. Constitutional right-- see if you can find > it. You do have the right to criticize as you put it, but GWB is still your president. GWB beat your best and he did it twice. That does not say much for Gore and Kerry, both losers in my book. -- >> >> > He's your president and be thankful he is. Had it been one of >> >> > others [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > You do have the right to criticize as you put it, but GWB is still your > president. GWB beat your best and he did it twice. Sort of... esp. 2000. Cathy That does not say > much for Gore and Kerry, both losers in my book. >Sort of... esp. 2000. > >Cathy Please get over it.... You Dims live in a dream world.... LOL SignatureScott in Florida > >> >> > He's your president and be thankful he is. Had it been one of > >> >> > others [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Cathy Nope, no "sort of". GWB licked Gore, then licked Kerry. > That does not say > > much for Gore and Kerry, both losers in my book. -- >> >> >> > He's your president and be thankful he is. Had it been one of >> >> >> > others [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Nope, no "sort of". GWB licked Gore, then licked Kerry. Oh, so we *did* know the results the next morning, no prob - they were *so* clear-cut? Cathy >> That does not say >> > much for Gore and Kerry, both losers in my book. >>> >> >> > He's your president and be thankful he is. Had it been one of >>> >> >> > others [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Cathy Strange, but the day after Jack Kennedy beat Nixon by a rip-roaring 128,000 votes we didn't hear diddlysquat from the LIEbrawl Dimmies. They just can't STAND losing twice in a row. >>> That does not say >>> > much for Gore and Kerry, both losers in my book. > Nope, no "sort of". GWB licked Gore, then licked Kerry. Everyone knew that GW Bush is bisexual, but I've never heard that of Gore and Kerry. > That does not say much for Gore and Kerry, both losers in my book. Only losers think Gore and Kerry are losers. >Everyone knew that GW Bush is bisexual, but I've never heard that of >Gore and Kerry. ROFLMAO Now we KNOW why you call yourself the three stooges.... That way we don't have to..... SignatureScott in Florida > Everyone knew that GW Bush is bisexual, but I've never heard that of > Gore and Kerry. Gore and Kerry are metro-sexuals. Come to think of it, they may just be asexuals. > > Nope, no "sort of". GWB licked Gore, then licked Kerry. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Only losers think Gore and Kerry are losers. They are both losers, it's a fact. -- >> >> > He's your president and be thankful he is. Had it been one of >> >> > others [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > president. GWB beat your best and he did it twice. That does not say > much for Gore and Kerry, both losers in my book. Gore and Kerry lost elections, Bush has lost his way in life, You can salute him all you want, it doesn't seem to help. > >> >> > He's your president and be thankful he is. Had it been one of > >> >> > others [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Gore and Kerry lost elections, Bush has lost his way in life, You can salute > him all you want, it doesn't seem to help. Wrong, you've lost your way in life. You have no clue at all. -- >> >> >> > He's your president and be thankful he is. Had it been one of >> >> >> > others [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Wrong, you've lost your way in life. You have no clue at all. LOL-- You know Dbu you are such a master of repartee-- you must be an instintive master of the unthoughtout muttering. But amusing, in a way. > >> >> >> > He's your president and be thankful he is. Had it been one of > >> >> >> > others [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > LOL-- You know Dbu you are such a master of repartee-- you must be an > instintive master of the unthoughtout muttering. But amusing, in a way. If I make a rational response to some of your redundant postings, I get called names. Why should I bother. You listen only to what you want to hear, anti Bush rubbish. So I'll just keep you busy on your little twinkies. -- >And as a U.S. Citizen , I have the right to criticize the pathetic >performance of "the current occupant" of the office and the witless >opinions you so often post here. Constitutional right-- see if you can find >it. Yes, thanks to the US Military, you can protest all you want. SignatureScott in Florida >>And as a U.S. Citizen , I have the right to criticize the pathetic >>performance of "the current occupant" of the office and the witless [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Yes, thanks to the US Military, you can protest all you want. Getting ready for one of your "hero" rants again, Scottie. The military has done its job, but Lets not forget to thank the framers of the Constitution and the former colonies who insisted on a Bill of Rights, as well. > Yes, thanks to the US Military, you can protest all you want. At least in federally authorized limited "free speech" zones. >>> > He's your president and be thankful he is. Had it been one of others >>> > we'd be fighting the terrorists here rather there. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > opinions you so often post here. Constitutional right-- see if you can > find it. And *I* have the RIGHT to criticize jerks like you who are naive and totally incompetent in world affairs. > And *I* have the RIGHT to criticize jerks like you who are naive and totally > incompetent in world affairs. You have to be talking about yourself. Otherwise you have no integrity. >>>> > He's your president and be thankful he is. Had it been one of others >>>> > we'd be fighting the terrorists here rather there. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > And *I* have the RIGHT to criticize jerks like you who are naive and > totally incompetent in world affairs. If you live in Canada, you don't have the RIGHT of free speech, and criticism. It is a privilege your government grants you and can take away from you. Quite different than in the U.S. plan of government. As to world affairs, let alone any knowledge of your own government, your posts over the past several years speak volumes about your lack of competence and knowledge. You just hang around the NG, flaming. Most people here seem to ignore you, as I will now go back to doing, myself. > He's your president and be thankful he is. Had it been one of others > we'd be fighting the terrorists here rather there. Stop spewing that false cliche. If Gore had won, the 9/11 attacks wouldn't have even happened because Gore would have been working on stopping terrorism rather than obsessing about weak and powerless Saddam. >Stop spewing that false cliche. If Gore had won, the 9/11 attacks >wouldn't have even happened because Gore would have been working on >stopping terrorism rather than obsessing about weak and powerless >Saddam. The plans were implemented while Al Bore was in office. SignatureScott in Florida I wonder how many of the kooks in this NG, that say he is stupid, can match the President GPA let alone his degrees from Yale and Harvard? LOL mike >> wouldn't brain cancer, by definition, require a brain? > > He beat the best chumps you could muster. Yep, the best of the best > democrats and Bush whumped them. >I wonder how many of the kooks in this NG, that say he is stupid, can match >the President GPA I strongly suspect this doesn't pose a problem. > let alone his degrees from Yale and Harvard? LOL Would have to level the playing field first; who here has parents who would've possessed a virtually guaranteed "in" for either school? If we were accepted, it would've been on our own merits. Cathy > mike > >>> wouldn't brain cancer, by definition, require a brain? >> >> He beat the best chumps you could muster. Yep, the best of the best >> democrats and Bush whumped them. >> let alone his degrees from Yale and Harvard? LOL > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Cathy You mean the 'stupid' President has degrees you can't dream to match? SignatureScott in Florida >I wonder how many of the kooks in this NG, that say he is stupid, can match >the President GPA let alone his degrees from Yale and Harvard? LOL [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> He beat the best chumps you could muster. Yep, the best of the best >> democrats and Bush whumped them. There are at least seven different measurable intelligences. Based on GWB's track record as Oil ex., Baseball ex. and Chief Ex. of the U.S., Hard work, planning and attention to detail are not a part of his intellectual makeup. >I wonder how many of the kooks in this NG, that say he is stupid, can match >the President GPA let alone his degrees from Yale and Harvard? LOL > >mike None...... SignatureScott in Florida > I wonder how many of the kooks in this NG, that say he is stupid, can > match the President GPA let alone his degrees from Yale and Harvard? Labeling President George W. Bush as stupid or illiterate is something that is very popular with extremist liberals because for the most part they are Northeast elitists or have transplanted themselves their. They can't stand his Southern accent and regional dialect where he uses speech patterns that are not familiar to them. It is obvious to me that the stereotyping of the Southerner is prevalent in these snobbish types that look down upon the "good ol' boy" and have a distaste for anything Redneckian. What really gets under their skin is that they can't understand how someone seemingly so loutish to them keeps besting their chosen ones. Having lived all over the United States I have garnered an appreciation for the multi-culturlism of our country differently than the politically correct demand of us. The Southern hospitality and true appreciation for life one sees in the Bible Belt is something I have learned to cherish and even emulate since coming back to the North. Even though I live in SE VA it is not the South culturally anymore. There is too much transition of peoples here due to the military bases. However heading out to SW VA you will start to see more of the laid back attitudes that make time for personal relationships with their neighbors. That is one of the things I miss the most since coming back up to Virginia where the hustle and bustle of the city life is no different than when I lived farther North. All that being said, my point is elitist liberals consider themselves to be the educated ones who have been endowed with the responsibility of taking care of the rest of the little people who aren't capable of making their own decisions. When they see someone who exudes Southernisms constantly making them look foolish all they can do is attack them personally rather than in the arena of ideas. > Labeling President George W. Bush as stupid or illiterate is something > that is very popular with extremist liberals because for the most part > they are Northeast elitists or have transplanted themselves their. Their what? > They can't stand his Southern accent and regional dialect where he uses > speech patterns that are not familiar to them. Don't insult Southerners. GW Bush's accent is a fake (notice that his brothers have different accents) and sure isn't like any Texan's I've heard. It's just part of his pretend macho man "swagger" and sounds like a New England Yankee going a Texas accent badly. > It is obvious to me that the stereotyping of the Southerner is > prevalent in these snobbish types that look down upon > the "good ol' boy" and have a distaste for anything Redneckian Those snobs are more likely to be Republican Douglas Feith Ivy League types than Democrats > What really gets under their skin is that they > can't understand how someone seemingly so loutish to them keeps besting > their chosen ones. The same could be said of the equally incompetent and egomaniacal Hugo Chavez, but neither is qualified to lead their respective countries. > The Southern hospitality and true > appreciation for life one sees in the Bible Belt is something I have > learned to cherish and even emulate since coming back to the North. The hospitality is real, but the downside of it is more backstabbing than from New Yorkers. > All that being said, my point is elitist liberals consider themselves > to be the educated ones who have been endowed with the responsibility > of taking care of the rest of the little people who aren't capable of > making their own decisions. That's outright wierd thinking on your part. >> Labeling President George W. Bush as stupid or illiterate is something >> that is very popular with extremist liberals because for the most part [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > heard. It's just part of his pretend macho man "swagger" and sounds > like a New England Yankee going a Texas accent badly. His accent will vanish when his term is over and he moves into daddy's place in Kennebunkport. >> I wonder how many of the kooks in this NG, that say he is stupid, can >> match the President GPA let alone his degrees from Yale and Harvard? [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Southernisms constantly making them look foolish all they can do is > attack them personally rather than in the arena of ideas. This post is such a pos in its basic premise: Nobody is on GWB for being from Texas and no more than people were on LBJ's case for being from Texas, Jimmy Carter from Georgia, Bill Clinton from Arkansas, Harry Truman from Missouri, or Dwight Eisenhower from Texas (as much as the Bushes were from Texas). People are disillusioned and upset with the job and judgment he has brought to the office of the President. >>> I wonder how many of the kooks in this NG, that say he is stupid, can >>> match the President GPA let alone his degrees from Yale and Harvard? [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > from Texas). People are disillusioned and upset with the job and judgment > he has brought to the office of the President. You speak ONLY for yourself and your other limpwristed fag friends. A gay obsessed sharx35 wrote to Tak: > You speak ONLY for yourself and your other limpwristed fag friends. Can you explain why GW Bush has such a limp-wristed wave? His hand moves like a little child's when he waves bye-bye. > A gay obsessed sharx35 wrote to Tak: > > > You speak ONLY for yourself and your other limpwristed fag friends. > > Can you explain why GW Bush has such a limp-wristed wave? His hand > moves like a little child's when he waves bye-bye. I haven't noticed that at all, but coming from you who makes things up all the time I would say you are much more in tune with things that related to homosexuality. > Can you explain why GW Bush has such a limp-wristed wave? His hand > moves like a little child's when he waves bye-bye. can you explain why you are obsessed with GWB? -- > >> I wonder how many of the kooks in this NG, that say he is stupid, can > >> match the President GPA let alone his degrees from Yale and Harvard? [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > brought to the office of the President. > I must post my two cents worth regarding your last sentance. I hope you don't mean to imply that everybody agrees with you. In fact there are millions who don't. I cannot say that I was happy with the job Clinton was doing either, but I didn't include everybody as you are suggesting with Bush. Clintons approval rating was very low at the end of his tenure. -- >> >> I wonder how many of the kooks in this NG, that say he is stupid, can >> >> match the President GPA let alone his degrees from Yale and Harvard? [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > with Bush. Clintons approval rating was very low at the end of his > tenure. Your grasping at any and all straws to store up your support for a failed presidency is futile unless he does something to improve his own situation. The pity is that you and your fellow travelers want GWB to succeed a whole lot more than he, himself, seems to want it. > >> >> I wonder how many of the kooks in this NG, that say he is stupid, can > >> >> match the President GPA let alone his degrees from Yale and Harvard? [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > The pity is that you and your fellow travelers want GWB to succeed a whole > lot more than he, himself, seems to want it. You want him to fail. -- >> >> >> I wonder how many of the kooks in this NG, that say he is stupid, >> >> >> can [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > You want him to fail. No. We want him to go away already, and stop murdering other peoples' kids. Or, have his two daughters enlist NOW, and be stuck in the most dangerous jobs the military can find for them. JoeSpareBedroom wrote to tak: > > You want him to fail. > No. We want him to go away already, and stop murdering other peoples' kids. > Or, have his two daughters enlist NOW, and be stuck in the most dangerous > jobs the military can find for them. Why should we hold his kids to the same standard that the British royal family does for theirs? Like GW Bush, Prince Harry could have served in the military stateside, but unlike GW Bush, Prince Harry preferred to go. > JoeSpareBedroom wrote to tak: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > served in the military stateside, but unlike GW Bush, Prince Harry > preferred to go. Prince Harry is certainly to be admired for his courage and determination in fighting the terrorist scourge that has dominated our world for the past five years. This certainly shows the British royal family believe in the purpose of this war enough to allow one of their own to make a name for himself. However Prince Harry's gallantry will be short-lived. His presence will prove to be a distraction to the troops and ultimately a very tempting target for the enemy. This will lead to specific attacks against his unit in the hopes of capturing or killing him. Even the bodyguards that have been assigned to him will begin to become resentful of this added pressure he has put upon them. If Prince Harry is ultimately harmed by the terrorists I predict one of two outcomes. Either the British people will seize upon that moment as a call to arms and demand retribution or they will bow before their new masters and give in to the evil forces of fundamentalist Islam. That is a wild card I haven't put my hands on yet. > > JoeSpareBedroom wrote to tak: > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > masters and give in to the evil forces of fundamentalist Islam. That > is a wild card I haven't put my hands on yet. They would bow. GB is already being taken over by muslims, it's only a matter of time. -- >> > JoeSpareBedroom wrote to tak: >> > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > They would bow. GB is already being taken over by muslims, it's only a > matter of time. Sorry to say, I have to agree. Most people of any intelligence left the U.K. many years ago. >> JoeSpareBedroom wrote to tak: >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > masters and give in to the evil forces of fundamentalist Islam. That > is a wild card I haven't put my hands on yet. You're right - the prince would be a distraction, and so would Bush's daughters. I'd hate to see anything happen to the prince, but in order to help with his training for certification as an adult and a president, Bush needs to lose a child. This is why they should be assigned something gruesomely dangerous when they arrive in Iraq. >help with his training for certification as an adult and a president, Bush >needs to lose a child You really are a despicable human(?) being..... SignatureScott in Florida >>help with his training for certification as an adult and a president, Bush >>needs to lose a child > > You really are a despicable human(?) being..... > Stain in Florida I suggest equality for the president's kids, and that's despicable? I guess you prefer the opposite: That they don't see action in Iraq because of their daddy. Everyone who has to bury a child is changed instantly. It's like a bucket of cold water dumped on your head, times a million. Bush needs to get wet, like the parents of all the other kids he's murdered. >> >> >> I wonder how many of the kooks in this NG, that say he is stupid, >> >> >> can [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > You want him to fail. "Want him to fail"? You have got to be kidding, I want us to win some semblance of an honorable and practicable victory and get out of this mess. I didn't think the Iraq war was necessary or a prudent move given our unfinished war in Afghanistan. And I didn't think our civilian leadership would mess up the prosecution of the war to the extent that we are in danger of being unsuccessful. My criticism of GWB, Cheney, and Rumsfeld centers on their incompetence in doing what they were charged with doing by their oath of office. Colin Powell knew the the score but GWB wanted to show up his old man, rather than protect our national interests. Want him to fail, hardly. But at the rate he and his admin. have screwed up, I'd settle for "do no 'further' harm." > >> >> >> I wonder how many of the kooks in this NG, that say he is stupid, > >> >> >> can [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > of office. Colin Powell knew the the score but GWB wanted to show up his old > man, rather than protect our national interests. It's only a mess because somebody told you it was a mess. Your mind is full of imagination. Do you dream about this stuff too? > Want him to fail, hardly. But at the rate he and his admin. have screwed up, > I'd settle for "do no 'further' harm." It's your opinion, II disagree with it. -- >> >> >> >> I wonder how many of the kooks in this NG, that say he is >> >> >> >> stupid, [quoted text clipped - 116 lines] > > It's your opinion, II disagree with it. You really should keep up with the news: Iraq, Afghanistan, even the sell out by the Admin. to Mexico and Big Business last week. One doesn't have to stay glued to the tube to have a reasonable grasp of the sad situation Bushes people have put us in. But you continue your knee-jerk chauvinism in Bush's support. Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? > >> >> >> >> I wonder how many of the kooks in this NG, that say he is > >> >> >> >> stupid, [quoted text clipped - 121 lines] > Bushes people have put us in. But you continue your knee-jerk chauvinism in > Bush's support. Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? Once again your snobbery shows. Your mind reading isn't very good nor accurate. Yes, so what about him? -- >> >> >> >> >> I wonder how many of the kooks in this NG, that say he is >> >> >> >> >> stupid, [quoted text clipped - 150 lines] > > Yes, so what about him? By "him", are you referring to Pavlov? > >> >> >> >> >> I wonder how many of the kooks in this NG, that say he is > >> >> >> >> >> stupid, [quoted text clipped - 152 lines] > > By "him", are you referring to Pavlov? duh, yep. -- >> >> You really should keep up with the news: Iraq, Afghanistan, even the >> >> sell [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > duh, yep. You may want to reserve your "duh" comments until this section of the thread plays out completely. Have you ever heard of Pavlov? > >> >> You really should keep up with the news: Iraq, Afghanistan, even the > >> >> sell [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > You may want to reserve your "duh" comments until this section of the thread > plays out completely. Have you ever heard of Pavlov? I'm not playing your silly games. -- >> >> >> You really should keep up with the news: Iraq, Afghanistan, even >> >> >> the [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > I'm not playing your silly games. It's a yes or no question. Have you ever heard of Pavlov? Is this too much heavy lifting for you? > >> >> >> You really should keep up with the news: Iraq, Afghanistan, even > >> >> >> the [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > It's a yes or no question. Have you ever heard of Pavlov? Is this too much > heavy lifting for you? see: "duh, yep". -- &g |
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