Hi all,
Thanks for your advice this past week re. the cracked windshield on my
'89 Toyota Corolla SR5 coupe. This is in the Boston, MA area. I've
called a zillion places-- told all of them I don't have comprehensive
coverage and need to pay out of pocket. I thought you might find some
of the below interesting:
1. The chains (e.g. JNPhillips) have multiple locations in my area,
and I was trying to call the inner-city locations, figuring that the
best price would be if I drove the car into their shops instead of
their coming to me. The shops in nicer neighborhoods were quoting
like $250-$270 vs $220 for poorer neighborhoods. Interestingly, the
shops in poorer neighborhoods would give me a quote, e.g., $220, and
when they heard I don't that live close by, they told me I can get it
done at their sister shop in my local [nicer] neighborhood shop for
$220, b/c they can "transfer the price over." So I guess moral of the
story is that if you want a chain to do your windshield, don't
hesitate to call different locations of the same chain, b/c they'll
likely give you different prices that you can transfer to any
location.
Won't the shops lose business and money if they are routing customers
to other locations in the same chain [that are more convenient for the
customer]? They seemed to do this all the time when I called. You'd
think that to some extent, the amount of business each individual shop
does will affect what its employees make.
2. Highest quote I got was $396 (!!). Fewer than 10% of quotes were
$215 or less.
3. Junkyard said $125 installed (how many of you go this route?). I
would be up for it, but the junkyard said that '89 SR5 coupes use
different windshields than sedans. None of the other shops said this
though, so hopefully the junkyard was wrong. Does anyone have any
idea? I don't want to have a shop rip out my old windshield and then
tell me "oops, we can't find one to fit."
4. One independent shop said $195 cash, off-the-books. Is it safe
to pay for a windshield like this? Or do they often end up needing to
be re-fitted, re-sealed, in which being a cash off-the-books customer
may not be ideal?
5. One shop with mobile service quoted a good price, said they'd
like to be paid in cash, said that if I'm at work, I can leave the car
in my driveway, unlocked so they can get in, with the cash payment
hidden in the car. Didn't seem like a good plan to me...
6. The lowest quotes I got were:
$195 cash, off-the-books, drive it to an independent shop.
$189.20, independent shop with mobile service, said they preferred
cash
Finally I called one of the chain glass companies, asked for a quote,
they said $254. I said thanks but no thanks. The girl answering the
phone asked me what else I was offered, I said $189. She said she
could do $180+ tax and set up an appt for me at their closest
location. I was quite surprised when she said this, as I didn't think
that they would offer a discount, let alone a $74 one. How much
profit are auto glass installation companies making?
Do you guys usually ask shops to match or beat someone else's quote?
I didn't do this because I felt bad asking, esp if it was an
independent shop. For auto repairs I go to independent shops and have
never asked for a better/different/lower price, because I figure
that's an insult to the mechanic. At least I would be insulted if I
were the mechanic.
Is it better to get your auto glass done by a chain than by an
independent shop? Maybe for warranty purposes at least? Generally I
avoid chains (no Sears/Jiffy Lube/Firestone/etc for anything) but auto
glass is probably a different story.
Ray O - 21 Feb 2007 22:08 GMT
> Hi all,
> Thanks for your advice this past week re. the cracked windshield on my
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> idea? I don't want to have a shop rip out my old windshield and then
> tell me "oops, we can't find one to fit."
The coupe and sedan have different windshields that are not interchangeable.
Hopefully, you were giving the shops you called a good description of your
car so that they quoted the correct price.
I do not think junkyard glass is a good idea because the installer may not
clean the old glass up sufficiently to prevent leaks around the dam, and I
don't think it is possible to re-use the dam kit so you'll need a new one
anyways.
> 4. One independent shop said $195 cash, off-the-books. Is it safe
> to pay for a windshield like this? Or do they often end up needing to
> be re-fitted, re-sealed, in which being a cash off-the-books customer
> may not be ideal?
I would be leery of under-the-table deals for something that may not turn
out right.
> 5. One shop with mobile service quoted a good price, said they'd
> like to be paid in cash, said that if I'm at work, I can leave the car
> in my driveway, unlocked so they can get in, with the cash payment
> hidden in the car. Didn't seem like a good plan to me...
Sounds shady to me too.
> 6. The lowest quotes I got were:
> $195 cash, off-the-books, drive it to an independent shop.
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> that they would offer a discount, let alone a $74 one. How much
> profit are auto glass installation companies making?
Go for this deal!
> Do you guys usually ask shops to match or beat someone else's quote?
> I didn't do this because I felt bad asking, esp if it was an
> independent shop. For auto repairs I go to independent shops and have
> never asked for a better/different/lower price, because I figure
> that's an insult to the mechanic. At least I would be insulted if I
> were the mechanic.
Sorry, I do almost all of my own work so I'd be bargaining with myself ;-)
> Is it better to get your auto glass done by a chain than by an
> independent shop? Maybe for warranty purposes at least? Generally I
> avoid chains (no Sears/Jiffy Lube/Firestone/etc for anything) but auto
> glass is probably a different story.
Another good place to have auto glass installed is at an auto body shop.
They will not be cheap but the installation will probably be very good.

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johnyang97@yahoo.com - 21 Feb 2007 22:36 GMT
> The coupe and sedan have different windshields that are not interchangeable.
>
> Hopefully, you were giving the shops you called a good description of your
> car so that they quoted the correct price.
Hi Ray,
The shops asked me if I have a 2-dr or 4-dr, and I said 2-dr.
Most said it's the same windshield (interestingly, the Toyota parts/
collision catalog I have at home only lists one part number for the
front windshield, and does not specify if it's for sedans or coupes).
'89 Corolla SR5s are very rare in the Northeast so if the coupes have
their own windshields, I may have a hard time getting one.
I just called the Watertown, MA Toyota dealership to ask; they said
they think it's different windshields for the 2- and 4-dr but need the
VIN# to check. I'll have to wait until tomorrow to get the VIN #.
Argh...
When I was getting a [used] car I'd have bought a 4-dr, except I was
buying used, and the one that became available in my neighborhood was
a 2-dr.
Anyways, I will assume that the auto glass installers know what they
are doing, and will show up at the time they tell me to with the
assumption that they will have checked first if they have the right
part...
John
Ray O - 21 Feb 2007 23:00 GMT
>> The coupe and sedan have different windshields that are not
>> interchangeable.
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> collision catalog I have at home only lists one part number for the
> front windshield, and does not specify if it's for sedans or coupes).
There were no 2 door sedans sold in the U.S. so all 2 doors were coupes so
you should be OK.
> '89 Corolla SR5s are very rare in the Northeast so if the coupes have
> their own windshields, I may have a hard time getting one.
>
> I just called the Watertown, MA Toyota dealership to ask; they said
> they think it's different windshields for the 2- and 4-dr but need the
> VIN# to check. I'll have to wait until tomorrow to get the VIN #.
I used to call on that dealership, they are very competent.
> Argh...
> When I was getting a [used] car I'd have bought a 4-dr, except I was
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>
> John
Good luck!

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johnyang97@yahoo.com - 21 Feb 2007 23:22 GMT
> > Hi Ray,
> > The shops asked me if I have a 2-dr or 4-dr, and I said 2-dr.
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> There were no 2 door sedans sold in the U.S. so all 2 doors were coupes so
> you should be OK.
Hi Ray,
Whoops, I should clarify--
I bought a copy of Toyota collision/parts number pages (diagrams with
part numbers, Toyota list prices, and labor times) off Ebay a while
ago. It was for '89 Toyota Corollas. If the 2-dr coupe and 4-dr
sedan require different parts numbers for something, the catalog will
usually list 2 sets of parts and prices. For windshields, it only
lists one part number. Hence I am assuming/hoping that this means the
sedan and coupe use the same windshield.
Most of the glass shops I called asked me if I have a 2-dr or 4-dr,
and said it's the same windshield. Only the junkyard, supposedly a
very good, competent one, said it's not the same windshield. So,
either the junkyard is wrong, or the computer listings at the glass
shops are wrong...
John
Ray O - 21 Feb 2007 23:30 GMT
>> > Hi Ray,
>> > The shops asked me if I have a 2-dr or 4-dr, and I said 2-dr.
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>
> John
Get the correct part number from Toyota of Watertown and go from there. I
don't remember if all of the various models had the same windshilield, ie.,
shape and whether they are tinted or not, but the folks at Watertown will
know.
good luck!

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johngdole@hotmail.com - 22 Feb 2007 04:58 GMT
BTW, according to Safelite, the windshield is a structural part of
modern vehicles. So you probably shouldn't use any shop that use home
depot caulking to "paste" the windshield on. You should also ask that
at least AS-1 standard glass is used.
On Feb 21, 1:56 pm, johnyan...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi all,
> Thanks for your advice this past week re. the cracked windshield on my
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> avoid chains (no Sears/Jiffy Lube/Firestone/etc for anything) but auto
> glass is probably a different story.
Jeff - 22 Feb 2007 19:42 GMT
I found this to be my most frugal solution for a cracked windshield:
UPullIt: $32.50 for a used windshield, if they have one. (And, you can
see if how they are fitted, and get spare clips, etc., when you remove
it!) It if cracks while you are removing it, you don't have to pay.
AutoZone: $12.95 for a roll of the 3M brand of the super-sticky
windshield tape.
Then wait for a sunny day...
> BTW, according to Safelite, the windshield is a structural part of
> modern vehicles. So you probably shouldn't use any shop that use home
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>> avoid chains (no Sears/Jiffy Lube/Firestone/etc for anything) but auto
>> glass is probably a different story.
johngdole@hotmail.com - 22 Feb 2007 05:00 GMT
Get an online quote, select no insurance, self pay. http://www.safelite.com/
The windshield will be covered by the national warranty for as long as
you own the car. BTW, I've only heard about their services, never
needed or tried them.
On Feb 21, 1:56 pm, johnyan...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi all,
> Thanks for your advice this past week re. the cracked windshield on my
[quoted text clipped - 66 lines]
> avoid chains (no Sears/Jiffy Lube/Firestone/etc for anything) but auto
> glass is probably a different story.