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'89 Corolla SR5 major woes today...

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johnyang97@gmail.com - 23 Feb 2007 22:12 GMT
Hi all,
Thanks for your help recently on my '89 Corolla SR5 (147k miles).  As
you recall I broke the windshield and was looking for advice on where
to go.  Long story short, after soliciting about 50 bids, Safelite was
willing to match the lowest, so I drove to Safelite today to get it
done for $186 out the door.  The workmanship looks a little sloppy but
I think it'll be ok.

It was a 20-mile roundtrip.  The last mile I thought I heard some
noise from under the engine.  Got home, popped the hood, heard the
waterpump squeaking (has never squeaked before), and saw it seize up
within 60 seconds and the engine died.  I bought the car in '99 with
94k miles.  The previous owner had the timing belt, but not the water
pump, changed in September 1997 at 90k miles .

Went inside, couldn't believe what I just saw, felt awful, briefly
contemplated trying the job myself (very little tools or experience
though) to save money, decided it'll take me 100 hours to do it
properly if at all.  So, called AAA for the first time in my life and
had the car towed to my mechanic's shop.

Long story short, $392 bill for new water pump, timing belt; he also
replaced the drive belts though they were recently changed (possibly
damaged when the water pump seized up though).  I asked the mechanic
who did the job how long it took, and he said about 3.5 hours.  He
showed me old the timing belt, which was slightly to somewhat worn on
one side.

I can't believe the car broke down within a minute after I got home
from getting a new windshield...

I asked him where the parts were from--he didn't know--he said
wherever the boss orders them from (probably Autozone next door).
Aware that OEM parts are much better, I used to always order OEM
Toyota parts online myself, but this time didn't have the time or
luxury to do this.  The new waterpump won't last 18 years like the old
one, but the car probably won't last another 18 years either...
If the car were newer and I had more $$$ I'd have taken it ot the
dealership instead.

What is a typical price for a waterpump/timing belt job?
For those of you who are expert home mechanics, how time consuing
a task is it?
I suspect $392 was probably average.  It's a lotta $$$ but the
mechanics
need to make a living too.

The mechanic said that water pumps usually leak before they die, and
said mine maybe used to be noisy.  Now I realize that the quiet
rumbling sound (sounded just like an exhaust leak) that I heard from
under the hood at idle for the past 3 years/15 miles was probably the
water pump.  With the new water pump the sound is gone.  I'm surprised
it could've been noisy for 15k miles.  It sounded just like an exhaust
leak, and when I had the muffler changed last time (by another shop, I
should not have gone there), they heard the sound from the front of
the car, said it must be a front exhaust pipe leaking too, and they
had even replaced that pipe ($$$).  Has any of you ever seen a water
pump that sounds like an exhaust leak?

Ok... so now I have on my hands an '89 Corolla SR5 with a perfect
body, perfect paint, no rust (California car), perfect interior, that
runs like new, has a new windshield/water pump/timing belt, and also
has a brand new exhaust system from front-to-back too (I suspect the
shop that did the exhaust screwed up last time and swapped more parts
than needed, it was big $$$ for that job).  I don't really need the
car technically, since my wife has a 2000 Honda CIvic with 43k miles
that she never drives.
What do I do long-term with this car?  Keep fixing it under the
engine, transmission, or carburetor fails?  With enough $$$ it will
keep going forever but I feel like it's eating up too much $$$ after
125k miles.  I like the Corolla so have always kept it going but now
the repairs are really adding up.  I take the subway to work, and only
drive the car 4-5k miles per year so am not getting a lot of usage out
of it.
My only experience with how cars die has been growing up when I saw
with my dad's cars:
'76 Olds Cutlass Supreme-- bad transmission around 12 years/100k miles
'75 Buick Regal-- starting/choke problems after 15 years/110 miles--
sold it-- engine was still strong actually
'82 Buick Regal-- transmission died, possibly head gasket too, after
14 years/110k miles
'87 Chevy Celebrity--flawless engine and transmission after 17 years/
115k miles, but rusted away so was donated.

Any thoughts are appreciated,
John
Jeff - 23 Feb 2007 22:21 GMT
> Hi all,
> Thanks for your help recently on my '89 Corolla SR5 (147k miles).  As
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> done for $186 out the door.  The workmanship looks a little sloppy but
> I think it'll be ok.

Hey, you know how you double the value of this car?

You got it: Fill the tank with gas.

Jeff
Hachiroku ハチロク - 24 Feb 2007 00:00 GMT
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:12:34 -0800, johnyang97 wrote:

> Hi all,
> Thanks for your help recently on my '89 Corolla SR5 (147k miles).  As
[quoted text clipped - 82 lines]
> Any thoughts are appreciated,
> John

I think you ought to drive it out to Western Mass and park it in my
driveway...  ;)

Nah, I think you ought to keep it, if you can. You've done a lot of the
'grunt' work; any miles from here on in are gravy. Since it is in such
good shape, do you have a place to park it? NE winters are TOUGH on
Toyotas.

If I didn't have enough 'projects' already I'd offer to buy it, but I have
an '85 Corolla GTS in need of a LOT of rust work, a 1988 Supra (right
there ought to tell you what I have ahead of me...), a 1989 Mazda 626 from
Florida for a Winter 'Beater', and a 2005 Scion tC that I've barely driven.
I have enough cars 'parked' for now! Once the weather turns good, the
Supra will come out and I'll drive that for most of the summer.

Oh, and $390 isn't bad for a belt, pump and belts.

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johnyang97@gmail.com - 24 Feb 2007 02:38 GMT
> Nah, I think you ought to keep it, if you can. You've done a lot of the
> 'grunt' work; any miles from here on in are gravy. Since it is in such
> good shape, do you have a place to park it? NE winters are TOUGH on
> Toyotas.

I've had it parked in a driveway for the past 2 years.  It's not
driven to work and I try not to drive when there's salt or snow on the
road.  Before it was parked outdoors, I had it garaged the previous 5
years.  So, the car has only been minimally exposed to "the elements"
in New England.  The paint still looks new, believe it or not.

> If I didn't have enough 'projects' already I'd offer to buy it, but I have
> an '85 Corolla GTS in need of a LOT of rust work, a 1988 Supra (right
> there ought to tell you what I have ahead of me...), a 1989 Mazda 626 from
> Florida for a Winter 'Beater', and a 2005 Scion tC that I've barely driven.

Wow, that's a lotta cars.  Just curious what you do for work--are you
a full-time mechanic?  From your posts on the group it looks like
you've done a lot of everything car-related before.

John
Hachiroku ハチロク - 24 Feb 2007 04:06 GMT
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:38:11 -0800, johnyang97 wrote:

>> If I didn't have enough 'projects' already I'd offer to buy it, but I
>> have an '85 Corolla GTS in need of a LOT of rust work, a 1988 Supra
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> full-time mechanic?  From your posts on the group it looks like you've
> done a lot of everything car-related before.

I'm a car nut in particular and a nut in general! I have 2 old snow
blowers, a sh!tload of computers and stereos, etc. I think they call it
'hoarder's disease'...

The cars are differrent, though. I've had a love affair with the
automobile (and esp Toyotas) for about 30 years now, so what do I do? Why,
I get a job SELLING CARS, of course! Talk about giving the kid the keys to
the candy store! I had people giving me cars! I sold a VW and a van (old
Chevy) but I kept an '83 Tercel 4WD Wagon, a '94 Chrysler LHS and a '92
Ply. Grand Voyager AWD van. The Tercel and the Gr V'Ger are gone, and I
traded the LHS for a Scion (Dumb move...should have kept the LHS and given
them the van. The LHS was NICE!)

I basically like to 'tinker'. I fix what I can and pay for anything beyond
my capabilities. I do some body work and painting, for myself or friends
who don't want to pay $2500 (AHEM...remember..you get what you pay for!!)
but mostly, I just like driving, especially Toyotas.

Oh, the '85 GTS I bought in '86 with 10,110 miles on it. It's been 'stuck'
out back with 259,000 for 2.5 years now...maybe this summer!

One of my friends tells me, "It's cars, computers and playing bass...I
just can't figure out what order to put them in!"

Neither can I...
johnyang97@gmail.com - 24 Feb 2007 20:03 GMT
Hey,

> I'm a car nut in particular and a nut in general! I have 2 old snow
> blowers, a sh!tload of computers and stereos, etc. I think they call it
> 'hoarder's disease'...

If you are married you must have a very patient and understanding
wife...
and/or a large basement where she never ventures.

Sounds like you really enjoy your job and your hobbies.  Is it true,
what I've read, that dealerships make more money from selling used
trade-ins than from selling new cars?

BTW, can't help noticing the Japanese characters in your screenname--
just curious, if you don't mind my asking, are you Japanese actually?
Just asking out of curiousity, nothing more.

Take care,
john
Hachiroku ハチロク - 25 Feb 2007 02:26 GMT
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:03:13 -0800, johnyang97 wrote:

> Hey,
>
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> If you are married you must have a very patient and understanding wife...
> and/or a large basement where she never ventures.

If you guessed I'm divorced, you guessed correctly! If you guessed I'm
divorced twice, get yourself a cigar!  ;)

> Sounds like you really enjoy your job and your hobbies.  Is it true, what
> I've read, that dealerships make more money from selling used trade-ins
> than from selling new cars?

Actually, I'm unemployed right now. I used to be a Tech Support/Help Desk
Analyst, but after you go for a vacation for...uh..."Borrowing" software
people are a *little* reluctant to hire you! I had a decent job with a
company in Vermont that didn't care about priors as long as you did your
job, but I was low man so when they needed to save money, I got it on the
Second wave. My boss is trying to get me back, but until then I mess with
my Supra and my snowblowers (gotta have ONE of 'em running before the next
storm!) and mess around with Linux. Since Linux and its applications are
FREE, I don't have to 'borrow' anything!

I did the car sales thing while I was on probation. We sold only used
cars, and yes, there is money to be made on Used Cars...if you guess right
the car will last a while after you sell it! And the dealers usually do
make more on Used Cars than new ones. I did work for a Toyota dealer for a
short while, but the owner (a real decent guy) sold it to a new owner (um,
let's not get into his personality...) so I left as fast as I could!

I actually liked the Tech Support job in Vermont a WHOLE lot better...it
was like Middle Class Welfare!

> BTW, can't help noticing the Japanese characters in your screenname-- just
> curious, if you don't mind my asking, are you Japanese actually? Just
> asking out of curiousity, nothing more.

I think Ray is the only member of Asian Persuasion here.

Google "Hachiroku". You'll find a bunch of Corolla GTS', from 1984-1987.
The Model number for that car was AE86...Hachi roku is Japanese for 8 6,
and the Japanese characters are the Kanji for Eight Six.

If you haven't guessed by now, I *REALLY* like my Corolla GTS. It was
hands down the BEST car I ever owned, it wasn't neck-snapping fast, but it
WAS fast, handled like a dream, and looked pretty cool for it's day; I
think it still looks pretty decent. Alas, it sits in the back yard
returning to it's elemental beginnings...perhaps this summer the
restoration will begin.

And, I like just about anything Japanese. I even have a Japanese Fender
bass, bought it because it was Japanese (um, and it plays very easily and
sounds really good...) I studied a bit of Japanese culture, and maybe some
day I'll get there. Nah, I'm just a Plain Old American from Western Mass.
I did live in Andover and <SHUDDER> Lawrence for a while before 'escaping'
to Nashua...

> Take care,
> john

I am too, actually...
Dave L - 25 Feb 2007 02:45 GMT
>> BTW, can't help noticing the Japanese characters in your screenname--  
>> just
>> curious, if you don't mind my asking, are you Japanese actually? Just
>> asking out of curiousity, nothing more.
>
> I think Ray is the only member of Asian Persuasion here.

Ray isn't the only one.  I'm also Asian but not the same as Ray.  I'm in the
group that's about 1/5 of the world population.  Chinese!

To be a little ON Topic, I no longer have a Toyota ('05 Accord now) but
loved my '86 Celica.  For the limited maintenance I did myself, the Celica
was the easiest on the 2SE engine.  (Still have the Chilton's!)

-Dave
Hachiroku ハチロク - 25 Feb 2007 05:31 GMT
>>> BTW, can't help noticing the Japanese characters in your screenname--
>>> just
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> Ray isn't the only one.  I'm also Asian but not the same as Ray.  I'm in
> the group that's about 1/5 of the world population.  Chinese!

Dang! Youse guys with American names throw us off!

Just to give you an idea, my wife's name was Toumngeun...no mistaking
there!

> To be a little ON Topic, I no longer have a Toyota ('05 Accord now) but
> loved my '86 Celica.  For the limited maintenance I did myself, the Celica
> was the easiest on the 2SE engine.  (Still have the Chilton's!)
>
> -Dave

Hondas are cool too. Had One Never Did Again...

I almost bought a Civic V-TEC instead of the Scion tC. I wish I had...I
like the seating position better. Can't really get comfortable in the
Scion, and I feel like I'm sitting at the kitchen table...
Dave L - 26 Feb 2007 02:49 GMT
>>>> BTW, can't help noticing the Japanese characters in your screenname--
>>>> just
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Dang! Youse guys with American names throw us off!

American names?  I thought the name "David" was used before America came to
be!  LoL  My last name should give a good clue although that's no guarantee.

> Just to give you an idea, my wife's name was Toumngeun...no mistaking
> there!

Hmm.... not familiar with your wife's name, although it certainly does not
look English!

>> To be a little ON Topic, I no longer have a Toyota ('05 Accord now) but
>> loved my '86 Celica.  For the limited maintenance I did myself, the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Hondas are cool too. Had One Never Did Again...

This is actually my 2nd Honda.  I'll admit I prefer the Honda manual
trannies but the Toyota autos I've tried are smoother.

> I almost bought a Civic V-TEC instead of the Scion tC. I wish I had...I
> like the seating position better. Can't really get comfortable in the
> Scion, and I feel like I'm sitting at the kitchen table...

I've driven the older Civic Si but not the new generation.  The Scion tC has
a few blind spots and for me, a high door sill.  I'm short to begin with so
it's not comfortable trying to rest my elbow on the door sill.  It's a
sportier car with a sweet panoramic sun roof.  Feel the torque pulling, when
taking off.  I believe it shares the same engine as the Camry with sportier
gearing?  Car would tempt me to have a spirited driving style and I would go
through those Z rated tires quicker than normal, and snow/ice would be a
pain!

-Dave
Hachiroku ハチロク - 26 Feb 2007 04:07 GMT
>> I almost bought a Civic V-TEC instead of the Scion tC. I wish I had...I
>> like the seating position better. Can't really get comfortable in the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> has a few blind spots and for me, a high door sill.  I'm short to begin
> with so it's not comfortable trying to rest my elbow on the door sill.

With me it's the leg position. I like being stretched out, like in my
Supra, Celica and GTS. The Scion is too upright for me!

> It's a sportier car with a sweet panoramic sun roof.  Feel the torque
> pulling, when taking off.  I believe it shares the same engine as the
> Camry with sportier gearing?  

Yeah, and I wish they had toned the gearing down just a little!!! The
engine tops out too quickly. A little more rev and a lower final gear
would be cool, or a 6-speed! In 5th at 75, you just press the gas and 100
comes up QUICK!

> Car would tempt me to have a spirited
> driving style

LOL!...TEMPT!!! You can't avoid it! 40 comes up in second gear in no time
flat!

> and I would go through those Z rated tires quicker than
> normal, and snow/ice would be a pain!

What mean...drive in snow? I bought an '89 Mazda 626 from a friend for
$150 for winter driving...I've had the Scion out 3 times since Christmas!
It sits in the back yard covered up.

And the tires are actually firly durable...this is a major comaplaint
among tC owners, that they're too hard and not quite grippy enough. Fine
for me...I'm sure I could get a raft of tickets in No Time Flat if I
didn't pay enough attention! It's so smooth 60 in a 40 is not difficult at
all...you FEEL like you're doing 40.

I like EVERYTHING about the car except the driving position and the
too-tall gearing!
Dave L - 27 Feb 2007 03:50 GMT
>>> I almost bought a Civic V-TEC instead of the Scion tC. I wish I had...I
>>> like the seating position better. Can't really get comfortable in the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> With me it's the leg position. I like being stretched out, like in my
> Supra, Celica and GTS. The Scion is too upright for me!

Can't remember much about the seating position, just the door sill being
high.  I used to stretch out in the Celica and a bit in the Prelude.  The
Accord I'm a little in between.  I sometimes see people crunched up to the
wheel, and looks like they only have a couple inches between their body and
wheel.  Wonder how they do that?!

>> It's a sportier car with a sweet panoramic sun roof.  Feel the torque
>> pulling, when taking off.  I believe it shares the same engine as the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> would be cool, or a 6-speed! In 5th at 75, you just press the gas and 100
> comes up QUICK!

I'm sure it does!  I didn't take it up there during the test drive but
definately went on the highway for a short trip.

>> Car would tempt me to have a spirited
>> driving style
>
> LOL!...TEMPT!!! You can't avoid it! 40 comes up in second gear in no time
> flat!

So you know what I mean!  Sounds like the older Sentra SE-Rs, around '92.
THOSE were pocket rockets!  Less horses but lighter car.  Also not the same
build quality as the Toyotas and Scions.

>> and I would go through those Z rated tires quicker than
>> normal, and snow/ice would be a pain!
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> didn't pay enough attention! It's so smooth 60 in a 40 is not difficult at
> all...you FEEL like you're doing 40.

Really?  Hmm.... Wonder if it could be the weight of the tC contributing to
that.  It's around 3000 lbs right?  I know what you mean about feeling how
fast a car is going, vs. reality.  First time I drove my brother's Acura
TL-S - hit over 90mph and it felt more like 55!
Also think I made the salesman sitting in the car nervous when I test drove
the '05 Civic Si.  lol

> I like EVERYTHING about the car except the driving position and the
> too-tall gearing!

Much to like about the car - I didn't care for the blind spot and high
window sill (I'm short - 5'4").  Still would have been much more "fun" to
drive than the Accord.  Sometimes I still wish I went for the tC instead of
the Accord, but so sense trying to over analyze the decision.  I'll just
have to pick up a tC in the future for a fun car!
 
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