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White House Flip-Flops--Supports Gore

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tak - 04 Mar 2007 17:49 GMT
White House Admits that U.S. is going from 6.6 Billion tons of CO2 per year
to 9.2 by 2020. This contained in the draft of a report prepared for
submission to the U.N. A "silver lining", if you will, is that, according to
the report,  this increase should not result in significant rises in sea
levels. However, it should provide for wide spread drought and water
scarcities.

Source: White House via AP.
dbu, - 04 Mar 2007 17:59 GMT
> White House Admits that U.S. is going from 6.6 Billion tons of CO2 per year
> to 9.2 by 2020. This contained in the draft of a report prepared for
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>
> Source: White House via AP.

Get rid of pickup trucks and large SUVs and our problems will vanish.

Force everybody to drive tiny cars.
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Cathy F. - 04 Mar 2007 18:07 GMT
>> White House Admits that U.S. is going from 6.6 Billion tons of CO2 per
>> year
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>
> Get rid of pickup trucks and large SUVs and our problems will vanish.

> Force everybody to drive tiny cars.

Incl. families w/ 4 or 5 kids...

I think the auto industry should ramp up their efforts, but your solution
goes OTT - simply not practical.

Cathy
JoeSpareBedroom - 04 Mar 2007 18:11 GMT
>>> White House Admits that U.S. is going from 6.6 Billion tons of CO2 per
>>> year
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>
> Cathy

Build SUVs for the way most people use them, not the way the manufacturers
*imagine* most people use them, which is delusional.
dbu, - 04 Mar 2007 18:32 GMT
> >>> White House Admits that U.S. is going from 6.6 Billion tons of CO2 per
> >>> year
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> Build SUVs for the way most people use them, not the way the manufacturers
> *imagine* most people use them, which is delusional.

I see too many pickup trucks during rush hour with only one person
insiide and nothing in the box.... empty.  Just hauling one a.s to work.
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JoeSpareBedroom - 04 Mar 2007 18:35 GMT
>> >>> White House Admits that U.S. is going from 6.6 Billion tons of CO2
>> >>> per
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> I see too many pickup trucks during rush hour with only one person
> insiide and nothing in the box.... empty.  Just hauling one a.s to work.

SUVs in showrooms should have a large sticker on the window. Huge red
letters: Having 4 wheel drive reduces your gas mileage by this much, even if
you don't use it. Do you really intend to drive over boulders like in the
commercials, or should you be looking at a different vehicle?
Cathy F. - 04 Mar 2007 18:45 GMT
>>> >>> White House Admits that U.S. is going from 6.6 Billion tons of CO2
>>> >>> per
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> if you don't use it. Do you really intend to drive over boulders like in
> the commercials, or should you be looking at a different vehicle?

Yep.  Plus SUVs often tend to be a status thing, AFAICT.  Personally, I've
never seen the allure.

Cathy
Jeff - 04 Mar 2007 18:40 GMT
>> >>> White House Admits that U.S. is going from 6.6 Billion tons of CO2
>> >>> per
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> I see too many pickup trucks during rush hour with only one person
> insiide and nothing in the box.... empty.  Just hauling one a.s to work.

Which is exactly the way the manufacturers imagined many of them and SUVs to
be used. Which is why they have air conditioning, stereos and are more
car-like in their interiors than they used to be. The manufacturers also
imagined people paying a lot more for them, so they can make more profit.
That's why the Japanese want to get in on the action too.

Jeff
dbu, - 04 Mar 2007 18:31 GMT
> >> White House Admits that U.S. is going from 6.6 Billion tons of CO2 per
> >> year
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>
> Incl. families w/ 4 or 5 kids...

Absolutely.  It would force people to have smaller families or even no
kids.  Maybe it would put you out of a job, but you won't be alone.

> I think the auto industry should ramp up their efforts, but your solution
> goes OTT - simply not practical.
>
> Cathy

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Cathy F. - 04 Mar 2007 18:43 GMT
>> >> White House Admits that U.S. is going from 6.6 Billion tons of CO2 per
>> >> year
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> Absolutely.  It would force people to have smaller families or even no
> kids.  Maybe it would put you out of a job, but you won't be alone.

You are nuts. 1) This is the U.S., not China - you can't "force" people to
have fewer children, even through this srrt of means - people tend to value
their personal rights.  2) Last I knew, the average number of children per
American family is ~2 (give or take a fraction of a kid) anyway.  3) There
are about to be a ton of retirements, re: us baby boomers - even if teaching
positions are cut via attrition, yet more positions will need to be filled
in the next few years due to the very large number of soon-to-be retirees.
Couple that with the fact that it can be difficult to persuade people to go
into teaching to begin with; neither I (who am the most senior teacher in my
building & plan to stay a little while longer), nor others, would be out of
a job.

Cathy

>> I think the auto industry should ramp up their efforts, but your solution
>> goes OTT - simply not practical.
>>
>> Cathy
dbu, - 04 Mar 2007 18:54 GMT
> >> >> White House Admits that U.S. is going from 6.6 Billion tons of CO2 per
> >> >> year
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>
> Cathy

If it proves that humans are contributing to global warming then the
solution would be to have fewer of them on earth, agree?  

> >> I think the auto industry should ramp up their efforts, but your solution
> >> goes OTT - simply not practical.
> >>
> >> Cathy

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Art - 05 Mar 2007 03:53 GMT
Eliminate the tax deduction for dependents unless they are adopted.
dbu, - 05 Mar 2007 11:28 GMT
> Eliminate the tax deduction for dependents unless they are adopted.

GOOD IDEA!!

This is one time I will agree with you.
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Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute - 04 Mar 2007 18:22 GMT
In message news:FEDGh.4125$ya1.2322@news02.roc.ny, tak sprach forth the
following:

> White House Admits that U.S. is going from 6.6 Billion tons of CO2 per
> year to 9.2 by 2020.

Good.  A sign of economic growth with the side effect of increasing plant
growth.

> This contained in the draft of a report prepared
> for submission to the U.N. A "silver lining", if you will, is that,
> according to the report,  this increase should not result in
> significant rises in sea levels.

> However, it should provide for wide
> spread drought and water scarcities.

Ah, the doom-and-gloomers from the 60's and 70's are back, fellating Paul
Ehrlich and other 100% wrong a.sholes.  Suck away, faggot.
Jeff - 04 Mar 2007 18:29 GMT
> White House Admits that U.S. is going from 6.6 Billion tons of CO2 per
> year to 9.2 by 2020. This contained in the draft of a report prepared for
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Source: White House via AP.

The administration has not flip-flopped. The administration has been
accepted global warming as a  problem for years:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/02/20070207-5.html
 
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