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Walter Reed mess in existence for several years, but with no oversight and hearings by Republican controlled Congress, allowed to fester until now. In fairness, having a new Sec of Defense makes a difference it seems. > Walter Reed mess in existence for several years, but with no oversight and > hearings by Republican controlled Congress, allowed to fester until now. > In fairness, having a new Sec of Defense makes a difference it seems. How can this be? Last week, one of the 3 musketeers (might've been golf boy, but maybe dbu or snott) said there was no problem. >> Walter Reed mess in existence for several years, but with no oversight >> and hearings by Republican controlled Congress, allowed to fester until [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > How can this be? Last week, one of the 3 musketeers (might've been golf > boy, but maybe dbu or snott) said there was no problem. When I heard GWB mention it, & that head honchos at Walter Reed have been ousted, I was thinking just that. Hmmmm... no problems, huh? Cathy > > Walter Reed mess in existence for several years, but with no oversight and > > hearings by Republican controlled Congress, allowed to fester until now. > > In fairness, having a new Sec of Defense makes a difference it seems. > > How can this be? Last week, one of the 3 musketeers (might've been golf boy, > but maybe dbu or snott) said there was no problem. I never said there was no problem.. I said the problem appears to be in only one building, building 18. Didn't you read what I posted regarding this? What boggles me, is why couldn't have had a building management supervisor taken care of this. A small problem has to go to top level government. That's a crock. -- >> > Walter Reed mess in existence for several years, but with no oversight >> > and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > supervisor taken care of this. A small problem has to go to top level > government. That's a crock. It had to go all the way to the top in order to expose the hypocrisy of those who accuse others of not supporting the troops. That includes the president, you, and my neighbor who says I don't support the troops because I don't have one of those magnetic thingies on my vehicle. It's also good to go straight to the top because that's where the buck stops. If I have a serious customer service problem that's not getting solved, I always write to the CEO of the company immediately. I don't deal with underlings. >> > Walter Reed mess in existence for several years, but with no oversight >> > and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > What boggles me, is why couldn't have had a building management > supervisor taken care of this. Apparently that building's manager is (was?) himself an injured soldier. Cathy A small problem has to go to top level > government. That's a crock. Actually the Congress is going to check the VA performance nationwide. I suspect it is dismal. Of course, it was likely under funded during the Clinton years too if my memory serves me right. I don't remember if it was Clinton's fault or the Republican's congress fault but at least were weren't in a major war at the time. Of course Bush had 6 years to fix if there was an issue under Clinton. >> > Walter Reed mess in existence for several years, but with no oversight >> > and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > supervisor taken care of this. A small problem has to go to top level > government. That's a crock. >> Walter Reed mess in existence for several years, but with no oversight >> and hearings by Republican controlled Congress, allowed to fester until [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > How can this be? Last week, one of the 3 musketeers (might've been golf > boy, but maybe dbu or snott) said there was no problem. Republican talking point? > Walter Reed mess in existence for several years, but with no oversight and > hearings by Republican controlled Congress, allowed to fester until now. > In fairness, having a new Sec of Defense makes a difference it seems. No, I don't the Secretary of Defense matters at all in this case. Nor does having Democrats in control of Congress. The only reason this came to light was the reporting by the Washington Post. If the old Sec. of Defense were still there or Republicans were in control of the House and Senate, it still would have came to light. Jeff >> Walter Reed mess in existence for several years, but with no oversight >> and hearings by Republican controlled Congress, allowed to fester until [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Jeff Probably, but I suspect the offending parties would still have their jobs. "You're doin' a great job, Brownie". Remember that, just after Katrina? Now, something important has changed. Bush has a sane person as secretary of defense, chosen by his father, who is also sane and sentient. Bush has been told to shut up and obey, and that he's not starring in an episode of the Andy Griffith Show. This is real life. >>> Walter Reed mess in existence for several years, but with no oversight >>> and hearings by Republican controlled Congress, allowed to fester until [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Probably, but I suspect the offending parties would still have their jobs. > "You're doin' a great job, Brownie". Remember that, just after Katrina? So the administration is learning about cleaning house when there is a major problem with the way something is run. It's about time. > Now, something important has changed. Bush has a sane person as secretary > of defense, chosen by his father, who is also sane and sentient. Bush has > been told to shut up and obey, and that he's not starring in an episode of > the Andy Griffith Show. This is real life. The other thing that is changed is that the American people are not very happy with the way things appear to going in Iraq. They also understand that the war is very stressful for our soldiers in Iraq, especially having to serve two or three tours of duty there. They think that at least the soldiers who are injured deserve decent medical care. Jeff >>>> Walter Reed mess in existence for several years, but with no oversight >>>> and hearings by Republican controlled Congress, allowed to fester until [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > So the administration is learning about cleaning house when there is a > major problem with the way something is run. It's about time. Yep. >> Now, something important has changed. Bush has a sane person as secretary >> of defense, chosen by his father, who is also sane and sentient. Bush has [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Jeff Yep, definitely. (I like it when somneone else manages to save me a bunch of time & typing! <g>) Cathy > The other thing that is changed is that the American people are not very > happy with the way things appear to going in Iraq. Ya think? I think that's the understatement of the decade. And in two weeks, it will be FOUR YEARS since the fiasco started. Thanks, Georgie, just like everything in your whole life, you'll leave the mess for the next guy to clean up. No wonder Jeb's your old man's favorite. >>> Walter Reed mess in existence for several years, but with no oversight >>> and hearings by Republican controlled Congress, allowed to fester until [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > been told to shut up and obey, and that he's not starring in an episode of > the Andy Griffith Show. This is real life. Agreed- why it wasn't outed sooner is sad, but a Congress doing its job on oversight would have been a plus and NOT having Rumsfeld meant we got to skip months of spin and denial, Gates just plain stepped up to the plate. >>>> Walter Reed mess in existence for several years, but with no oversight >>>> and hearings by Republican controlled Congress, allowed to fester until [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> been told to shut up and obey, and that he's not starring in an episode >> of the Andy Griffith Show. This is real life. > Agreed- why it wasn't outed sooner is sad, but a Congress doing its job on > oversight would have been a plus and NOT having Rumsfeld meant we got to > skip months of spin and denial, Gates just plain stepped up to the plate. Congress things doing their jobs would mean maybe they'd leave their comfy surroundings once a week and go visit some of these soldiers. They should see the results of what they voted for. With guns to their heads. Gee and here I thought it was the Trilateral Commission that told Bush what to do? mike >>> Walter Reed mess in existence for several years, but with no oversight >>> and hearings by Republican controlled Congress, allowed to fester until [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > been told to shut up and obey, and that he's not starring in an episode of > the Andy Griffith Show. This is real life. Yeah. A commission that pulled Robert Gates out of a hat when Rumsfeld finally flushed himself. I believe that. > Gee and here I thought it was the Trilateral Commission that told Bush > what to do? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> been told to shut up and obey, and that he's not starring in an episode >> of the Andy Griffith Show. This is real life. > Gee and here I thought it was the Trilateral Commission that told Bush > what to do? > > mike He's sucking so much cock it's hard to keep track mike.  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Since when do the Republicans run Walter Reed Hospital? ;) mike > Walter Reed mess in existence for several years, but with no oversight and > hearings by Republican controlled Congress, allowed to fester until now. > In fairness, having a new Sec of Defense makes a difference it seems. > Since when do the Republicans run Walter Reed Hospital? ;) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> now. In fairness, having a new Sec of Defense makes a difference it >> seems. Republicans were running Congress. I guess tak thinks that Congress has time to run oversight hearings on everything that the executive department is responsible for. When you consider how many Army, Mavy, Marine, Coast Guard, and Air Force bases there are around the world, the number of research facilities that all the departments have, all the hospitals that the VA runs, all the schools in the US that get federal funding, etc., if Congress held one hearing about each of them or group of them about the size of the Walter Reed Hospital, each Congress (each Congress lasts two years), the members of Congress would not have time to eat, sleep or poop. Clearly, the commander of the hospital is responsible for the facility. He reports to the Surgeon General of the Army (who went to the same University I did). The commander of the hospital was also in charge of the North Atlantic Military Command (which Walter Reed is part of). There will also be a new Surgeon General of the Army, I think. It seems the SG didn't pay as much attention to the sort of problems recently identified as I think he should have. Jeff Jeff >> Since when do the Republicans run Walter Reed Hospital? ;) >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Jeff There had been complaints for a couple of years about conditions, But the Post article(s) seem to have had impact with the changes in Congress and at the DoD. I did think that Congress has a right and responsibility to investigate complaints about Federal programs and facilities. The "first line" responders surely the hell weren't moving very fast. Like JoeSB said, have a problem go to the top. But as you point, where would Congress find the time. Maybe, had they dug a little deeper when the complaints first started to come rather than running over for "Photo Ops" far from Bldg 18, this could have been headed off. I did not know Generals were all Republicans LOL mike >> Since when do the Republicans run Walter Reed Hospital? ;) >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Jeff >I did not know Generals were all Republicans LOL > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> >> Jeff Can you explain why you thought your comment was at all relevent to this I don't see how your comment follows at all. Jeff I don't think a general's political affiliation is the issue- The Military and VA are under the control of the Executive Branch of Government. The Legislative Branch has oversight responsibility regarding the Executive Branch. Bush's administration's record on solving problems and holding incompetents responsible is public knowledge by this point in time. Republican controlled Congressional hearings on anything pertaining to administration performance, especially about the war and its effects were non-existent. Not until the Post article, Gates' decisions and pending Congressional action have finally caused some hope of improvement for the recuperating soldiers. >I did not know Generals were all Republicans LOL > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> >> Jeff Duh!The military and Civil servants not answer to the President. What next blame the President because your mail was lost? mike >I don't think a general's political affiliation is the issue- > The Military and VA are under the control of the Executive Branch of [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >>> >>> Jeff >>I don't think a general's political affiliation is the issue- >> The Military and VA are under the control of the Executive Branch of [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >>>> >>>> Jeff > Duh!The military and Civil servants not answer to the President. What > next blame the President because your mail was lost? > > mike Perhaps not, but he's the one who's like a broken record with the "support the troops" routine. If he noticed the news reports, he should've been all over somebody's sh.t to fix the problem. I guess his staff didn't tell him about the problem, though. > Duh!The military and Civil servants not answer to the President. What > next blame the President because your mail was lost? [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >>>> >>>> Jeff I think you meant to say the military and civil servents do not answer to the president. However, the President appoints the Secretaries of Defense, Homeland Security, Treasury, Housing and Urban Development, Health and Human Services, Transportation, and all the other departments, as well as people like the Surgeon General and the Director of the National Institutes of Health. And, one of his titles is "Commander-in-Chief" of the armed forces. Yeah, there people do answer to the President. And many Presidents actually served the country during times of war, like President GHW Bush (he was a pilot in the Pacific) and Carter, who was a nuclear engineer in the Navy (and, unlike the current President, could pronounce the word "nuclear"). Jeff Jeff > > Duh!The military and Civil servants not answer to the President. What > > next blame the President because your mail was lost? [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > Jeff I always liked the way LBJ pronounced Vietnam. LBJ mangled a few words too. Must be something about Texas. -- The appointees answer to the President, or is the Sec. of Defense independent of Presidential direction? Who fired the Sec. of the Army who was going to fire his second, who replaced the Director of Walter Reed, it all bucks back to the President, who called for a system wide investigation (finally). Civil servants are protected from politics to a great degree, but not their politically appointed bosses. > Duh!The military and Civil servants not answer to the President. What > next blame the President because your mail was lost? [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >>>> >>>> Jeff > The appointees answer to the President, or is the Sec. of Defense > independent of Presidential direction? Who fired the Sec. of the Army who > was going to fire his second, who replaced the Director of Walter Reed, it > all bucks back to the President, who called for a system wide investigation > (finally). Civil servants are protected from politics to a great degree, but > not their politically appointed bosses. And if the Army secretary tells his boss, Defense secretary that everything is honki-dory when it isn't he gets fired. Exactly what happened last week. Why do you consistantly put the blame on Bush....Oh I know, because he beat you two best boys in the elections and you hate his guts for it. > > Duh!The military and Civil servants not answer to the President. What > > next blame the President because your mail was lost? [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > >>>> > >>>> Jeff -- >> The appointees answer to the President, or is the Sec. of Defense >> independent of Presidential direction? Who fired the Sec. of the Army who [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Bush....Oh I know, because he beat you two best boys in the elections > and you hate his guts for it. Do you think it's unreasonable for the president to be aware of the 10 biggest stories in the newspaper during any given week, especially when one of them makes him look like even more of a dork? > >> The appointees answer to the President, or is the Sec. of Defense > >> independent of Presidential direction? Who fired the Sec. of the Army who [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > biggest stories in the newspaper during any given week, especially when one > of them makes him look like even more of a dork? It would seem he acted rather fast or his subordinate did. The story broke, what 2 weeks ago. Re-fresh my memory. I'm wondering where the IG was all this time, sleeping. -- >> >> The appointees answer to the President, or is the Sec. of Defense >> >> independent of Presidential direction? Who fired the Sec. of the Army [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > It would seem he acted rather fast or his subordinate did. The story > broke, what 2 weeks ago. Re-fresh my memory. Yeah. About two weeks ago, when someone here (golf boy, or you?) responded to the allegations by asking when was the last time I'd visited a VA hospital. The intent of the question was to deny there was a problem. Last week, it was announced that Condi would be meeting with Iran & Syria. The week before that, Bush said no way would that happen. Apparently, he's playing in his own sandbox, all alone. > >> >> The appointees answer to the President, or is the Sec. of Defense > >> >> independent of Presidential direction? Who fired the Sec. of the Army [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > to the allegations by asking when was the last time I'd visited a VA > hospital. The intent of the question was to deny there was a problem. I am a skeptic by nature, so, I have little faith in news media reports. I read them, but don't make a knee-jerk conclusions. There is always more to the story. Bottom line with me is our guys need to have top notch medical care. Not baby care, these guys are our men/women in uniform, our troops, they aren't used to being pampered, but I want them to have the best medical care for them. leaking roof is no excuse. Toilets that don't flush, no excuse. A clean place to stay and top notch medical care is the bottom line. If it's not then it better be fixed and I mean now. -- >> >> >> The appointees answer to the President, or is the Sec. of Defense >> >> >> independent of Presidential direction? Who fired the Sec. of the [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > notch medical care is the bottom line. If it's not then it better be > fixed and I mean now. Good! www.whitehouse.gov The address is there. Never complain to underlings. Complain to the man responsible. >> The appointees answer to the President, or is the Sec. of Defense >> independent of Presidential direction? Who fired the Sec. of the Army who [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Bush....Oh I know, because he beat you two best boys in the elections > and you hate his guts for it. Please read Mike Hunter's post and my response to it. As usual, you are about a half a cycle out of phase. >> > Duh!The military and Civil servants not answer to the President. What >> > next blame the President because your mail was lost? [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] >> >>>> >> >>>> Jeff >I did not know Generals were all Republicans LOL I would a high proportion are, as approximately 75-85% of the overall officer ranks are Republicans. >I did not know Generals were all Republicans LOL If you spent as much time UYFH as LOL, you could be respectable. |
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