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badgolferman - 15 Mar 2007 06:43 GMT
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11
attacks, confessed to that attack and a chilling string of other terror
plots during a military hearing at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, according to a
transcript released Wednesday by the Pentagon.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8NSDFM82&show_article=1
Hachiroku ハチロク - 15 Mar 2007 15:44 GMT
> Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks,
> confessed to that attack and a chilling string of other terror plots
> during a military hearing at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, according to a
> transcript released Wednesday by the Pentagon.
>
> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8NSDFM82&show_article=1

WHAT?!?!?! He was being held at Club Gitmo and we didn't let him go?!?!

Boy, if real law applied, then I'd say his 'confession' is inadmissable,
he should be released immediately, and any information gleaned from him
should be disregarded as if he were never detained.

And I bet they tortured the hell out of him to get it. I bet they picked
up his Koran with their left hands!

WHERE'S Ted Kennedy when you need him!!!!!
Scott in Florida - 15 Mar 2007 17:06 GMT
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:44:53 GMT, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@AE86.gts>
wrote:

>> Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks,
>> confessed to that attack and a chilling string of other terror plots
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>WHERE'S Ted Kennedy when you need him!!!!!

OK That's it...

Calling in the 'swimmer'....

Howie will get ya.....LOL

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Hachiroku ハチロク - 16 Mar 2007 20:58 GMT
>>> Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11
>>> attacks, confessed to that attack and a chilling string of other terror
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Howie will get ya.....LOL

LOL! I still think it's awful funny how Teddy STFU after his visit to Club
Gitmo. Clammed right up!

And someone posted a link to his 'findings' on Gitmo, which basically only
says it needs to be shut down. NOTHING about torture, ill-handling of the
prisoners, poor treatment ,yada yada yada.

It sure seems to me like he knew a lot more about the atrocities happening
there BEFORE his visit than after!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Once again served! WHY do we keep re-electing him?!?!
JoeSpareBedroom - 16 Mar 2007 21:00 GMT
>>>> Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11
>>>> attacks, confessed to that attack and a chilling string of other terror
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Once again served! WHY do we keep re-electing him?!?!

How should we know? Why do YOU vote for him?
Scott in Florida - 16 Mar 2007 21:06 GMT
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:58:08 GMT, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@AE86.gts>
wrote:

>>>> Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11
>>>> attacks, confessed to that attack and a chilling string of other terror
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
>BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Once again served! WHY do we keep re-electing him?!?!

Last time I went to Club Gitmo....the Marines were all armed and ready
to take on Castro...and that was in 1962....LOL

Yes Teddy sure shut the hell up about it after his visit.

You have two unbelievable Senators...LOL

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Mike Hunter - 16 Mar 2007 23:43 GMT
According to new report Senator Levin was in the room with several other
Senators when he made his confession.  Why is he now silent as well?

mike

> Yes Teddy sure shut the hell up about it after his visit.
>
> You have two unbelievable Senators...LOL
JoeSpareBedroom - 17 Mar 2007 18:36 GMT
> Last time I went to Club Gitmo....the Marines were all armed and ready
> to take on Castro...and that was in 1962....LOL

Not relevant, and not funny. What were you laughing at? The apple sauce on
your shirt?
Truckdude - 15 Mar 2007 18:16 GMT
> Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11
> attacks, confessed to that attack and a chilling string of other terror
> plots during a military hearing at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, according to a
> transcript released Wednesday by the Pentagon.
>
> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8NSDFM82&show_article=1

You mean it wasn't Saddam???

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JoeSpareBedroom - 15 Mar 2007 18:16 GMT
>> Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11
>> attacks, confessed to that attack and a chilling string of other terror
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> You mean it wasn't Saddam???

Well, it was, but it wasn't.
Mike Hunter - 15 Mar 2007 18:30 GMT
Why do you ask?  Did you think it was Saddam?

mike

>> Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11
>> attacks, confessed to that attack

> You mean it wasn't Saddam???
badgolferman - 15 Mar 2007 18:59 GMT
> > Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11
> > attacks, confessed to that attack and a chilling string of other
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> You mean it wasn't Saddam???

What is that supposed to mean?  No one said Saddam Hussein was the
mastermind of the 9/11 attacks.  He had the resources and the reasons
to arm those who were capable of conjuring up such devious plans.
JoeSpareBedroom - 15 Mar 2007 19:08 GMT
>> > Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11
>> > attacks, confessed to that attack and a chilling string of other
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> mastermind of the 9/11 attacks.  He had the resources and the reasons
> to arm those who were capable of conjuring up such devious plans.

Yeah. He had a secret source of airplane tickets and box cutters. Here, box
cutters are strictly controlled. Most supermarket employees grow their nails
long so they can do their jobs, while enduring the long waiting period and
background check for their box cutter carry permits.

Saddam was also an expert at getting stolen cars & trucks for bad people.
They're impossible to get here in the USA.
AnneCoultersAdamsApple - 16 Mar 2007 03:21 GMT
On Mar 15, 1:59 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11
> > > attacks, confessed to that attack and a chilling string of other
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> mastermind of the 9/11 attacks.  He had the resources and the reasons
> to arm those who were capable of conjuring up such devious plans.

It was Saudi Arabia that funded the 9/11 attacks.  Don't you read the
papers?

A
Hachiroku ハチロク - 16 Mar 2007 20:54 GMT
> On Mar 15, 1:59 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> A

Does your head make a resounding <POP> when you dislocate it from your
rectum? Try OBL as a funding source, idjit.
mack - 16 Mar 2007 18:25 GMT
>> Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11
>> attacks, confessed to that attack and a chilling string of other terror
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> You mean it wasn't Saddam???

I can see it now.   Since the evil Sheikh is a citizen of Kuwait, GWB will
probably want to invade Kuwait and lay waste to the little joint that we
rescued from Saddam only fifteen years ago.

I expect GWB will also blame Khalid for global warming and hanging chads,
and for fingering Scooter Libby.
Truckdude - 16 Mar 2007 18:46 GMT
>>> Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11
>>> attacks, confessed to that attack and a chilling string of other terror
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> I expect GWB will also blame Khalid for global warming and hanging chads,
> and for fingering Scooter Libby.

The guy is from Kuwait?  Kuwait is safe then. Remember it is GWB we are
talking about.

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Hachiroku ハチロク - 16 Mar 2007 20:53 GMT
> I expect GWB will also blame Khalid for global warming and hanging chads,
> and for fingering Scooter Libby.

Did Scooter enjoy it? (remember, this is the guy that looks like Ron
Jeremy...)
Mike Hunter - 16 Mar 2007 23:39 GMT
Who is Ron Jeremy?

mike

>> I expect GWB will also blame Khalid for global warming and hanging chads,
>> and for fingering Scooter Libby.
>
> Did Scooter enjoy it? (remember, this is the guy that looks like Ron
> Jeremy...)
Hachiroku ハチロク - 17 Mar 2007 01:24 GMT
> Who is Ron Jeremy?

Google is your friend. You've led a sheltered life if you don't know who
Jeremy is!!!

What if I had said John Holmes...

> mike
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> Did Scooter enjoy it? (remember, this is the guy that looks like Ron
>> Jeremy...)
Mike Hunter - 17 Mar 2007 01:32 GMT
Was he the guy that built wreckers?

mike

>> Who is Ron Jeremy?
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>>> Did Scooter enjoy it? (remember, this is the guy that looks like Ron
>>> Jeremy...)
Hachiroku ハチロク - 17 Mar 2007 05:08 GMT
> Was he the guy that built wreckers?
>
> mike

He was a wrecker, alright...

>>> Who is Ron Jeremy?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>>>> Did Scooter enjoy it? (remember, this is the guy that looks like Ron
>>>> Jeremy...)
badgolferman - 17 Mar 2007 06:36 GMT
Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B, 3/17/2007,12:08:16 AM, wrote:

> > Was he the guy that built wreckers?
> >
> > mike
>
> He was a wrecker, alright...

A home wrecker or a ho wrecker?
Hachiroku ハチロク - 17 Mar 2007 13:04 GMT
> Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B, 3/17/2007,12:08:16 AM, wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> A home wrecker or a ho wrecker?

Either way. OK, this is really off topic! But I once saw a, um, er,
'documentary' where the thing totally disappeared...above AND below.
badgolferman - 17 Mar 2007 14:28 GMT
Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B, 3/17/2007,8:04:16 AM, wrote:

> > Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B, 3/17/2007,12:08:16 AM, wrote:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Either way. OK, this is really off topic! But I once saw a, um, er,
> 'documentary' where the thing totally disappeared...above AND below.

What thing?  I am not following you.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 18 Mar 2007 00:20 GMT
> Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B, 3/17/2007,8:04:16 AM, wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> What thing?  I am not following you.

Consider yourself warned: THIS whole thing!

Oh, since I run Linux, I didn't have any problems. Make sure your Pop-Up
blocker is running!

http://www.hardcorestarz.com/psc/john-holmes/index.html
Mike Hunter - 17 Mar 2007 18:03 GMT
We used Holmes wreckers in my fleet business before we switched to Jerdan
flat bead trucks

mike

>> Was he the guy that built wreckers?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>>>>> Did Scooter enjoy it? (remember, this is the guy that looks like Ron
>>>>> Jeremy...)
Bill Tuthill - 15 Mar 2007 18:37 GMT
> Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11
> attacks, confessed to that attack and a chilling string of other terror
> plots during a military hearing at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, according to a
> transcript released Wednesday by the Pentagon.
> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8NSDFM82&show_article=1

This just in:
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed also admitted to stabbing Julius Caesar
on the Ides of March in 44 BC!
mack - 16 Mar 2007 18:22 GMT
>> Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11
>> attacks, confessed to that attack and a chilling string of other terror
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Khalid Sheikh Mohammed also admitted to stabbing Julius Caesar
> on the Ides of March in 44 BC!

That's not the worst of it....he's also claiming to be the father of Anna
Nicole's child!
AnneCoultersAdamsApple - 16 Mar 2007 03:18 GMT
On Mar 15, 1:43 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11
> attacks, confessed to that attack and a chilling string of other terror
> plots during a military hearing at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, according to a
> transcript released Wednesday by the Pentagon.
>
> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8NSDFM82&show_article=1

And what would you confess to after 4 years of torture?
Hachiroku ハチロク - 16 Mar 2007 20:51 GMT
> On Mar 15, 1:43 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> And what would you confess to after 4 years of torture?

Nothing. If I didn't do it.

What did they do? Withold his privleges to the tennis courts?
badgolferman - 16 Mar 2007 20:53 GMT
Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B, 3/16/2007,3:51:54 PM, wrote:

> > On Mar 15, 1:43 am, "badgolferman"
> > <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> What did they do? Withold his privleges to the tennis courts?

Made him listen to hip hop.
Mike Hunter - 16 Mar 2007 23:46 GMT
If the US really wanted to torture prisoners, they would make them watch
eighteen hours of the View and Opera every day.   LOL

mike

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message news:

>> > And what would you confess to after 4 years of torture?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Made him listen to hip hop.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 17 Mar 2007 01:23 GMT
> If the US really wanted to torture prisoners, they would make them watch
> eighteen hours of the View and Opera every day.   LOL

I think even I'd confess to anything under those circumstances!

Hmmmm...interesting insight...no WONDER the Muslims hate us!

> mike
>
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>>
>> Made him listen to hip hop.
larry moe 'n curly - 17 Mar 2007 16:20 GMT
> > If the US really wanted to torture prisoners, they would make them watch
> > eighteen hours of the View and Opera every day.   LOL
>
> I think even I'd confess to anything under those circumstances!

You could fight the urge by by telling yourself, "I'd do Rosie
O'Donnell.  I'd tap Barbara Walters."
Mike Hunter - 17 Mar 2007 18:12 GMT
I would do Barbara Walters, as well,  I like those much younger woman  LOL

mike

Hachiroku ???? wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:46:41 -0400, Mike Hunter wrote:
>
> > If the US really wanted to torture prisoners, they would make them watch
> > eighteen hours of the View and Opera every day.   LOL
>
> I think even I'd confess to anything under those circumstances!

You could fight the urge by by telling yourself, "I'd do Rosie
O'Donnell.  I'd tap Barbara Walters."
n5hsr - 17 Mar 2007 19:04 GMT
>I would do Barbara Walters, as well,  I like those much younger woman  LOL
>
> mike

I used to like Elisabeth Shue, but since I caught the View one day while I
was sick at home, my opinion changed.

Charles of Schaumburg
Truckdude - 19 Mar 2007 18:05 GMT
>>I would do Barbara Walters, as well,  I like those much younger woman  LOL
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Charles of Schaumburg

"one day while I was sick at home"  yeah, right!  lol!

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n5hsr - 20 Mar 2007 02:51 GMT
>>>I would do Barbara Walters, as well,  I like those much younger woman
>>>LOL
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> "one day while I was sick at home"  yeah, right!  lol!

You don't want what I had that day.   Starting at 11 PM the night before to
about 4:30 AM I was emptying out violently from both ends at once.  Every 20
minutes.  After a couple hours, I couldn't figure out where it was coming
from.  I'm told what I had was not the flu, it was a relation to the Norwalk
virus.

I have always been a big fan of Adventures in Babysitting, and thought I'd
catch what ES was doing.

Charles of Schaumburg
JoeSpareBedroom - 20 Mar 2007 14:50 GMT
>>>>I would do Barbara Walters, as well,  I like those much younger woman
>>>>LOL
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Charles of Schaumburg

The flu is a respiratory illness. It has absolutely nothing to do with
digestive problems. I'm surprised someone who claims to be omniscient didn't
know that.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 17 Mar 2007 23:41 GMT
>> > If the US really wanted to torture prisoners, they would make them
>> > watch eighteen hours of the View and Opera every day.   LOL
>>
>> I think even I'd confess to anything under those circumstances!
>
> You could fight the urge by by telling yourself, "I'd do Rosie O'Donnell.

Uuurrrrrrrrp!!! I gotta go barf now!!!!

> I'd tap Barbara Walters."

25 or so years ago, that might have been viable...
larry moe 'n curly - 17 Mar 2007 16:17 GMT
> If the US really wanted to torture prisoners, they would make them watch
> eighteen hours of the View and Opera every day.   LOL

You give yourself too much credit with your jokes because that one
certainly didn't deserve an LOL.
Mike Hunter - 17 Mar 2007 18:09 GMT
You make us laugh all the time.  Now that's funny right there, I don't care
who you are   LOL

mike

>> If the US really wanted to torture prisoners, they would make them watch
>> eighteen hours of the View and Opera every day.   LOL
>
> You give yourself too much credit with your jokes because that one
> certainly didn't deserve an LOL.
larry moe 'n curly - 17 Mar 2007 16:15 GMT
> > And what would you confess to after 4 years of torture?

> Nothing. If I didn't do it.

How do you know?  Have you ever been tortured?  Even John McCain said
that he confessed things he had never done.  Are you as tough as
McCain?  I know that I'm not.
Truckdude - 17 Mar 2007 16:46 GMT
>> On Mar 15, 1:43 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Nothing. If I didn't do it.

Gimme a break!!  Don't fool  yourself.  We have absolutely no idea what we
would confess to under torture. None.

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Mike Hunter - 17 Mar 2007 18:19 GMT
How do you know that?  He may be married and knows all about torture and
confession.    ;)

mike

> "coerced or tortured into confessing ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in
> message news:uzCKh.1637$FS5.546@trndny09...
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Gimme a break!!  Don't fool  yourself.  We have absolutely no idea what we
> would confess to under torture. None.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 18 Mar 2007 23:08 GMT
> How do you know that?  He may be married and knows all about torture and
> confession.    ;)
>
> mike

Yuk, yuk, yuk...TWICE!!!!
The wives were OK, the Mothers-in-Law were MURDER!!!

>> "coerced or tortured into confessing ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in
>> message news:uzCKh.1637$FS5.546@trndny09...
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>> Ignorance is patriotism.
>> Truth is treason.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 18 Mar 2007 23:08 GMT
>>> On Mar 15, 1:43 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Gimme a break!!  Don't fool  yourself.  We have absolutely no idea what we
> would confess to under torture. None.

I'm pretty stubborn, and when I'm accused of something I didn't do, I get
pretty nasty...
clfr@adelphia.net - 17 Mar 2007 02:50 GMT
On Mar 15, 1:43 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11
> attacks, confessed to that attack and a chilling string of other terror
> plots during a military hearing at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, according to a
> transcript released Wednesday by the Pentagon.

Yep.  But how much of the long litany of deeds was down to him, how
much was he involved with - but not the mastermind, & how much is (his
idea of) pure bragging?

Cathy

> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8NSDFM82&show_article=1
larry moe 'n curly - 17 Mar 2007 16:23 GMT
> On Mar 15, 1:43 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com>
> wrote:

> > Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11
> > attacks, confessed to that attack and a chilling string of other terror
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> much was he involved with - but not the mastermind, & how much is (his
> idea of) pure bragging?

Long ago, the CIA considered KSM to be an extreme egomaniac who would
make up stories.  Also serial killers are known to exaggerate greatly,
even when not coerced or tortured into confessing.
JoeSpareBedroom - 17 Mar 2007 17:02 GMT
>> On Mar 15, 1:43 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> make up stories.  Also serial killers are known to exaggerate greatly,
> even when not coerced or tortured into confessing.

Apparently, the CIA's got quite a list of posers - sources they tell their
agents to avoid. Unfortunately, some of them are great salesmen, and they
have access to people like Paul Wolfowitz and Cheney, both of whom are
predisposed to ignore the agency's experience.

Here's something about a piece of slime who's been nagging our various Dr.
Strangeloves to invade Iran for quite some time:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manucher_Ghorbanifar
Mike Hunter - 17 Mar 2007 18:15 GMT
How do you know KSM was coerced or tortured into confessing?   Like our
friend Jeff likes to say, prove it, post a URL   .  ;)

mike

>> On Mar 15, 1:43 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>
> Long ago, the CIA considered KSM to be an extreme egomaniac who would
> make up stories.  Also serial killers are known to exaggerate greatly,
> even when not coerced or tortured into confessing.
larry moe 'n curly - 19 Mar 2007 03:08 GMT
> > Long ago, the CIA considered KSM to be an extreme egomaniac who would
> > make up stories.  Also serial killers are known to exaggerate greatly,
> > even when not coerced or tortured into confessing.
>
> How do you know KSM was coerced or tortured into confessing?

Because everybody who reads real news sources knows this.  It's been
widely been reported for years, and just a day or two ago, one of the
evening national news broadcasts showed an artist's rendition of
Khalid Sheik Mohammed being tortured with his head upside down in a
bag that was filled with water.

Why had he been sent to a secret CIA prison overseas?  The only reason
we've ever sent captives there has been to gain information through
torture.

Below is something from the Chicago Tribune, Dec. 2005, and it's a pro-
torture article:

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0512280233dec28,1,348306.stor
y?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed


"Moral and legal aspects aside, conventional wisdom is that torture
simply isn't practical: that someone who is being tortured will say
anything to make the torture stop, and that information gleaned
through torture is therefore not reliable. Some former military and
intelligence officers say, however, that physically aggressive
interrogation techniques that some human-rights groups consider
torture can be effective in the short term. When asked for specifics,
the technique they cite is "waterboarding," in which water is poured
over a subject's face to create the sensation of drowning.

"Consider Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the 39-year-old former Al Qaeda
operative who was the Sept. 11 mastermind and bearer of many Al Qaeda
secrets. If anyone had a motive for remaining silent, it was the man
known to terrorism investigators as "KSM." But not long after his
capture in Pakistan, in March 2003, KSM began to talk. He ultimately
had so much to say that more than 100 footnoted references to the
CIA's interrogations of KSM are contained in the final report of the
commission that investigated Sept. 11. Not that everything KSM said
was believable. But much of his information checked out in separate
questioning of other captured Al Qaeda figures.

"What made KSM decide to talk? The answer may be waterboarding, to
which KSM was subjected on at least one occasion, according to various
accounts. Intelligence operatives say that while waterboarding can
break through a suspect's initial resistance, it isn't effective for
long-term interrogation. Once a suspect begins to communicate,
however, an interrogation specialist can put into action a wide range
of far more subtle techniques, which include playing to a subject's
ego or pretending to be his friend.

"It could not be learned exactly when KSM was waterboarded or whether
the technique was used more than once. But only 12 days after being
captured in Pakistan, on March 1, 2003, KSM made his first reported
major revelation."

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So where's your proof, Mike?
Mike Hunter - 20 Mar 2007 18:10 GMT
Tribune Newspapers?  Are you kidding?  They are as bad as the NY Times when
it come to biased news.  You might just as well get your news for Move-on
Ask the Senators who were there, like Levin, when he confessed, WBMA    You
don't here him saying the guy was tortured

As for torture not working, don't try to tell that to Jack Bauer LOL

mike

>> > Long ago, the CIA considered KSM to be an extreme egomaniac who would
>> > make up stories.  Also serial killers are known to exaggerate greatly,
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>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
JoeSpareBedroom - 20 Mar 2007 18:13 GMT
What are your five most trusted news sources?

> Tribune Newspapers?  Are you kidding?  They are as bad as the NY Times
> when it come to biased news.  You might just as well get your news for
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>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mike Hunter - 17 Mar 2007 18:05 GMT
Perhaps you can torture him, by making him watch reruns if the View, and
find out   ;)

mike

> On Mar 15, 1:43 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> On Mar 15, 1:43 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com>
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> Cathy

Unfortunately, the guy's not as stupid as the 3 musketeers in this
newsgroup. He had reasons for "confessing" as much as he did:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/16/us/16legal.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin

March 16, 2007
News Analysis
Confession at Guantánamo by 9/11 Mastermind May Aid Other Qaeda Defendants
By ADAM LIPTAK
The admissions made by the mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks illuminated
and transformed the cases against him and the 13 other Qaeda leaders
transferred last year from C.I.A. prisons to the Navy base at Guantánamo
Bay, Cuba.

In acknowledging last Saturday his role in more than 30 terrorist attacks
and plots, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed certainly simplified the case against
himself and may have effectively signed his own death warrant when he
eventually faces a military trial.

But those same statements, released on Wednesday by the Pentagon, may
complicate the prosecution of his former colleagues.

Speaking to a military tribunal that considers just the narrow question of
whether Guantánamo detainees were properly designated as enemy combatants,
Mr. Mohammed was so expansive in his acceptance of responsibility that other
defendants might be able to use his statements in their own defense.

In a transcript of the hearing, Mr. Mohammed also disavowed information he
had told Central Intelligence Agency interrogators about his accomplices,
again potentially helping the other defendants.
 
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