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Wickeddoll® - 15 Jun 2007 22:44 GMT
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19249855/

Natalie

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This is Toyota country; so quiet you can hear the GMs rust.

tak - 15 Jun 2007 23:16 GMT
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19249855/
>
> Natalie

Brings back memories, I had an "elderly" '57 Plymouth 4-door, (1st car) 2
speed pushbutton auto Six-- hated it, took about a year to run it into the
ground. Difference is I wouldn't dig mine up again. It would be too much
like "Night of the Living Dead"
Wickeddoll® - 15 Jun 2007 23:42 GMT
"tak" ..

> "Wickeddoll®"...
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19249855/
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> ground. Difference is I wouldn't dig mine up again. It would be too much
> like "Night of the Living Dead"

LOL not to mention the gas mileage.

You'd be really safe in a crash!  If you're wearing a seat belt, and it's
not a head-on collision, that is.  Those things were solid steel.

Natalie
tak - 16 Jun 2007 00:14 GMT
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> Natalie
Solid steel in places, iron oxide in others, ;-{
tak - 16 Jun 2007 00:19 GMT
> "tak" ..
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> Natalie
Just remembered, No seatbelts
Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 00:39 GMT
"tak"

> "Wickeddoll®"
>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19249855/
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>> Natalie
> Just remembered, No seatbelts

WHOA - I thought cars got seat belts in the 1940s?

Was it just optional?  I was born in 1958, so by the time I was even aware
of cars, they all had them.

Natalie
Cathy F. - 16 Jun 2007 00:46 GMT
> "tak"
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> WHOA - I thought cars got seat belts in the 1940s?

Nope.

> Was it just optional?  I was born in 1958, so by the time I was even aware
> of cars, they all had them.

No seat belts in any of the cars we had when I was little in the 50's.  It
was sometime in the 60's before we had a car w/seatbelts.  My mother still
automatically threw her arm in front of my sister (also born in '58) when
having to stop short 'cause she was so used to the child not being belted
in.

Cathy

> Natalie
Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 00:55 GMT
"Cathy F." ...

> "Wickeddoll®"...
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> Cathy

My aunt Cheryl *still* does that.  She's only 3 years older than me, but
quite hyper.

Natalie
Cathy F. - 16 Jun 2007 01:04 GMT
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> My aunt Cheryl *still* does that.  She's only 3 years older than me, but
> quite hyper.

LOL. ;-)  I'm sort of surprised my mother doesn't still do it.  (My mother
sometimes reminds me a bit of Tigger. <g>)  OTOH, it's been a long time
since I've ridden in the car with her driving, so maybe she still *would* do
it...

Cathy

> Natalie
mack - 16 Jun 2007 01:50 GMT
> "tak"
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> Natalie

Nat, Chrysler started having seat belts as standard equipment in the early
fifties ....about 1953 as I recall, about when the early postwar Chrysler
products (which were warmed over prewar models) were ditched in favor of a
boxy style ....Chrysler was promoting safety in those days, and that's why
lots of Fords and GMs (which looked a lot sexier) were sold, and folks
stayed away from the 'safety minded' Chrysler stuff in droves.
That's why about 56 and 57, Chrysler products did a turnabout and made cars
with huge fins and pseudo-aerodynamic looks.   So yes, the '57s all had seat
belts.
I had a '57 Ford sedan on which they were standard, and I used 'em.
Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 02:19 GMT
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> "Wickeddoll®" ...
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> had seat belts.
> I had a '57 Ford sedan on which they were standard, and I used 'em.

Thanks.

Like I said, we *had* seat belts, but usually didn't wear them.  Even on
cross-country trips.

By the time I had my own kids, I made sure not only they, but anyone else
wore them - I still insist on it!

Of course, that was after I'd worked in an Emergency Room.  That'll convince
*anyone* to wear them.

Natalie
n5hsr - 16 Jun 2007 14:35 GMT
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> Natalie

Hmmm, I don't remember us having seat belts in the 55 Plymouth, but then I
was 6 years old when we sold it.

Charles of Schaumburg
mack - 16 Jun 2007 17:06 GMT
> By the time I had my own kids, I made sure not only they, but anyone else
> wore them - I still insist on it!
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>
> Natalie

You got that right!    Many years ago (about 40) I had an occasional girl
friend who wrote me with condolences about my father's death, and mentioned
that her mother had been in an accident, riding in a small Datsun truck as a
passenger, and when the truck collided with another vehicle, she had gone
through the windshield face-first, and wound up with something like 6,000
(!) sutures in her face and upper body.
After her letter, I never again turned on the ignition without strapping in
first.
Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 17:42 GMT
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> "Wickeddoll®" ...
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> After her letter, I never again turned on the ignition without strapping
> in first.

She's very fortunate that all she had were sutures!  Every time I hear about
a fatal crash with the victim "ejected" from the vehicle, I just want to
scream.

Yes, there is the rare instance that the seat belt hurt, rather than harmed
the person, but the odd of that are astronomical.

Natalie
sharx35 - 16 Jun 2007 18:00 GMT
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> Natalie

I've never been one to like the govt. telling me what to do but I started
wearing seat belts LONG before it was mandatory in Alberta. Reason? To save
my OWN sorry a.s. It only makes sense to wear seat belts period. It takes
only a second to buckle or unbuckle.
Scott in Florida - 16 Jun 2007 18:42 GMT
>> "mack" ...
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>my OWN sorry a.s. It only makes sense to wear seat belts period. It takes
>only a second to buckle or unbuckle.

Another plus of seat belts is that it keeps the driver in position to
control the car if something terrible happens....

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Scott in  Florida
 
I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat.
 
There ought to be one day-- just one--
when there is open season on senators.

This country has come to feel the same
when Congress is in session as when the
baby gets hold of a hammer.
   
   Will Rogers (1879 - 1935)

dbu,. - 16 Jun 2007 22:25 GMT
> > "mack" ...
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> my OWN sorry a.s. It only makes sense to wear seat belts period. It takes
> only a second to buckle or unbuckle.

I was in a rollover in 1967, California, lap belts only and both the
driver and me stayed in the car even though both doors were sprung wide
open.  We would both have been ejected without doubt and who knows what
would have happened.  I am a firm believer in seat belts regardless of
any laws.  I wear them and insist the passengers buckle up before I move
the vehicle.  Seat belts are 1000 percent better than in 1967.
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"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers.
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tak - 16 Jun 2007 02:28 GMT
>> "tak"
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> had seat belts.
> I had a '57 Ford sedan on which they were standard, and I used 'em.
Beg to differ, but at least my Plymouth didn't have seatbelts. You may have
crossed brands, IIRC, It was Ford who tried the safety angle in the
mid-fifties with seatbelts, padded dashboards and "basket" style steering
wheels.
Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 02:39 GMT
"tak" ...

> "mack" ...
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>> had seat belts.
>> I had a '57 Ford sedan on which they were standard, and I used 'em.

> Beg to differ, but at least my Plymouth didn't have seatbelts. You may
> have crossed brands, IIRC, It was Ford who tried the safety angle in the
> mid-fifties with seatbelts, padded dashboards and "basket" style steering
> wheels.

So that's twice that Ford miscalculated what the public wanted, huh?

Natalie
tak - 16 Jun 2007 03:00 GMT
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> Natalie
Twice? They hung on to the Model "T" for too, too long, The Edsel Died
young, and the Mustang II was a pos. Others probably remember other duds
from Ford, Chrysler, and GM. Do we get to hear about car losers?
Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 04:20 GMT
"tak" ...

> "Wickeddoll®" >>>
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> young, and the Mustang II was a pos. Others probably remember other duds
> from Ford, Chrysler, and GM. Do we get to hear about car losers?

All carmakers have duds - I mean, being out of touch to a disastrous degree.
Like now.

Natalie
Scott in Florida - 16 Jun 2007 14:14 GMT
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>young, and the Mustang II was a pos. Others probably remember other duds
>from Ford, Chrysler, and GM. Do we get to hear about car losers?

The Escort and Maverick

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Scott in  Florida
 
I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat.
 
There ought to be one day-- just one--
when there is open season on senators.

This country has come to feel the same
when Congress is in session as when the
baby gets hold of a hammer.
   
   Will Rogers (1879 - 1935)

Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 17:40 GMT
"Scott in Florida"...
, "tak" <takirch@frontiernet.net>
> wrote:
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> The Escort and Maverick

Are you kidding?!

The Escort was *huge*, both in the US and England!

Natalie
Scott in Florida - 16 Jun 2007 18:43 GMT
>"Scott in Florida"...
>, "tak" <takirch@frontiernet.net>
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>Natalie

huge mistake.....

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Scott in  Florida
 
I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat.
 
There ought to be one day-- just one--
when there is open season on senators.

This country has come to feel the same
when Congress is in session as when the
baby gets hold of a hammer.
   
   Will Rogers (1879 - 1935)

Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 18:56 GMT
"Scott in Florida"...
"Wickeddoll®"
"...
>>, "tak"
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>
> huge mistake.....

Sez you - everyone I know who owned one loved it.

:-P

Natalie
tak - 16 Jun 2007 19:31 GMT
> "Scott in Florida"...
> "Wickeddoll®"
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> Natalie
Another contender from the mists of time: The PINTO!!!!

Everyone I know who had one considered themselves lucky to be former owners
(of course, my sample population is only four)
Scott in Florida - 16 Jun 2007 20:24 GMT
>> "Scott in Florida"...
>> "Wickeddoll®"
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>Everyone I know who had one considered themselves lucky to be former owners
>(of course, my sample population is only four)

I had a Pinto Wagon and loved it.

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Scott in  Florida
 
I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat.
 
There ought to be one day-- just one--
when there is open season on senators.

This country has come to feel the same
when Congress is in session as when the
baby gets hold of a hammer.
   
   Will Rogers (1879 - 1935)

Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 20:32 GMT
"Scott in Florida"
, "tak"
> wrote:
>>> "Wickeddoll®"
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> I had a Pinto Wagon and loved it.

See.  What do *you* know?!

:-)

Natalie, snipping Scott's long-assed sign line
Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 20:29 GMT
"tak" ...

> "Wickeddoll®"
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> Everyone I know who had one considered themselves lucky to be former
> owners (of course, my sample population is only four)

BOOM!

Natalie
tak - 17 Jun 2007 01:44 GMT
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> Natalie
The best of these four in the masochism dept. was a co-worker who bought the
pinto with 70,000 or so miles on it from the company, it woke up dead in his
driveway one morning with about 78,000 or 80,000 miles on it. The estimate
for repairs was too high for him, he scrapped it AND  went out and bought a
used CHEVETTE! The chevette actually hung around for several commuter years
of service. Go figure.
Wickeddoll® - 17 Jun 2007 02:09 GMT
"tak"

> "Wickeddoll®"
>>>> "Scott in Florida"...
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> and bought a used CHEVETTE! The chevette actually hung around for several
> commuter years of service. Go figure.

Good gawd.  Death wish, anyone?!

Natalie
dbu,. - 16 Jun 2007 22:18 GMT
> > "Scott in Florida"...
> > "Wickeddoll®"
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> Everyone I know who had one considered themselves lucky to be former owners
> (of course, my sample population is only four)

Forward looking Ford attempt at more fuel conservative vehicles.  I
cannot fault Ford for that.  No car is 100 percent safe.  The Volkswagon
beetle is an example.  It was a great car, user maintainable, fuel
efficient and affordable, but was sunk because of safety regulations.
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"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers.
We are the President."  Hillary Clinton

Scott in Florida - 16 Jun 2007 20:23 GMT
>"Scott in Florida"...
> "Wickeddoll®"
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>Natalie

I did not dislike my Escort.

It was just a repair nightmare.

Air Conditioning

Transmission

Timing Belts

Burned Oil

It was a nice car except for the maintenance headache.

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Scott in  Florida
 
I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat.
 
There ought to be one day-- just one--
when there is open season on senators.

This country has come to feel the same
when Congress is in session as when the
baby gets hold of a hammer.
   
   Will Rogers (1879 - 1935)

n5hsr - 16 Jun 2007 06:18 GMT
> "tak"
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> Natalie

Illinois passed a law.  Any new car beginning 1965 model year and any used
car beginning with the 1961 model year had to be fitted with seatbelts when
sold.  But the catch on used cars is if you never sold it, you never had to
put seatbelts in it.

We got seatbelts for our '63 Chevy II in 1965 sometime.  We bought a 62
Corvair but it had been in Illinois from 1962 to 1965 so it also already had
seat belts by the time we bought it in 1970.

Charles of Schaumburg
mark - 16 Jun 2007 08:28 GMT
> "tak"
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> Natalie

dunno......... my dad had a 57 Plymouth, it was my first ride. I was born in
1959

NO seatbelts in his 4-door Belvedere
Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 17:39 GMT
"mark" ...
>> "tak"
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> NO seatbelts in his 4-door Belvedere

More info on that car:

http://www.buriedcar.com/

Natalie
GO Mavs - 16 Jun 2007 01:14 GMT
"Also buried with it were 10 gallons of gasoline - in case internal
combustion engines became obsolete by 2007 - "

the funniest part... hahaha... SORRY to let you down guys!

> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19249855/
>
> Natalie
Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 01:18 GMT
"GO Mavs" ...
> "Also buried with it were 10 gallons of gasoline - in case internal
> combustion engines became obsolete by 2007 - "
>
> the funniest part... hahaha... SORRY to let you down guys!

LOL yeah, they probably thought we'd have Jetson-esque cars by now.

Natalie

> "Wickeddoll®" ...
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19249855/
>>
>> Natalie
Jeff - 17 Jun 2007 22:19 GMT
Another long-lasting car, 50 years, no rust:

<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/17/world/europe/17trabant.html?ref=automobiles>

Jeff

Note: Those nifty angle brackets cause the URL to stay on one line, for
nifty cut and past or clicking to get the URL.
Wickeddoll® - 18 Jun 2007 01:24 GMT
"Jeff" ...
> Another long-lasting car, 50 years, no rust:
>
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> Note: Those nifty angle brackets cause the URL to stay on one line, for
> nifty cut and past or clicking to get the URL.

But I doubt that would work with one of those really long ones; at least for
those of us who use wrap.

Natalie
Art - 16 Jun 2007 02:36 GMT
Back when I was a young lad and Toyota was new in the country, I remember a
picture and newspaper article about Toyota burying a bunch of brand new cars
because the defrosters could not be made to meet the US standards.  I
presume they took all the good parts off of them first before burying them.
You have to wonder why they couldn't part them out and crush the left over
steel.  But I distinctly remember they burried them to get rid of them.

> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19249855/
>
> Natalie
Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 04:18 GMT
> Back when I was a young lad and Toyota was new in the country, I remember
> a picture and newspaper article about Toyota burying a bunch of brand new
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> left over steel.  But I distinctly remember they burried them to get rid
> of them.

That sounds like a really boneheaded solution.  You sure you didn't dream
that? LOL

Natalie

>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19249855/
>>
>> Natalie
Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 18:00 GMT
"Wickeddoll®" :...

> "mack" ...
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> Natalie

DOH!

That should be hurt rather than helped...

Natalie
dh - 16 Jun 2007 19:46 GMT
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19249855/
>
> Natalie

Is that the same model and year of car that was possessed in "Christine?"

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Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 20:31 GMT
"dh" ...
> "Wickeddoll®" ...
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19249855/
>>
>> Natalie
>
> Is that the same model and year of car that was possessed in "Christine?"

Nope - that was a 1958 Plymouth Fury.

Natalie
sharx35 - 17 Jun 2007 05:05 GMT
> "dh" ...
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>
> Natalie

Another Stephen King fan? I've read most of his fiction. I note that earlier
this week, his publisher released a completely rewritten version of Blaze,
under his old pseudonym...Richard????
Wickeddoll® - 17 Jun 2007 20:36 GMT
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> "Wickeddoll®" ...
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> earlier this week, his publisher released a completely rewritten version
> of Blaze, under his old pseudonym...Richard????

Bachman.

Natalie
tak - 17 Jun 2007 21:07 GMT
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> Natalie
Overdrive-- Bachman-Turner
Cathy F. - 17 Jun 2007 21:12 GMT
>> "sharx35" ...
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>> Natalie
> Overdrive-- Bachman-Turner

You're taking care of business.

Cathy  (who did not like that song!)
Wickeddoll® - 18 Jun 2007 01:23 GMT
"Cathy F." ...

> "tak"..
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> Cathy  (who did not like that song!)

I didn't care for that group at all.

Natalie
sharx35 - 18 Jun 2007 07:19 GMT
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>
> Cathy  (who did not like that song!)

Randy Bachman is a total egomaniac--an insufferable a.shole.
Wickeddoll® - 18 Jun 2007 01:22 GMT
"tak" ...

> "Wickeddoll®" ...
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>> Natalie
> Overdrive-- Bachman-Turner

*fwap*

Natalie
tak - 18 Jun 2007 01:55 GMT
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> Natalie
Maybe it was a stretch to try to tie overdrive trannies, Bachman-Turner
Overdrive, and King's directorial debut with"Maximum Overdrive" together,
but Fwap?????
Wickeddoll® - 18 Jun 2007 02:05 GMT
"tak" ...

> "Wickeddoll®" ...
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> Overdrive, and King's directorial debut with"Maximum Overdrive" together,
> but Fwap?????

The fwap was for sticking that damned song in my head.

Natalie
Cathy F. - 18 Jun 2007 02:14 GMT
> "tak" ...
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> The fwap was for sticking that damned song in my head.

If one has to have an earworm, at least it should be a *good* earworm!  (As
opposed to this one.)

Cathy

> Natalie
tak - 18 Jun 2007 02:49 GMT
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>> Natalie

Oh.  Sorry about that, But things could be worse:

'As a new, young MD doing his residency in OB , I was quite
embarrassed when performing female pelvic exams. To cover my
embarrassment I had unconsciously formed a habit of whistling softly.
The middle-aged lady upon whom  I was performing this exam suddenly
burst out laughing and further embarrassing me.  I looked up from my
work and sheepishly said, "I'm sorry. Was I tickling you?" She
replied, "No doctor, but the song you were whistling was, "I wish I
was an Oscar Meyer Wiener".  Doctor wouldn't submit his > name...........'

An oldie, probably not true, but apropos. T
Cathy F. - 18 Jun 2007 03:01 GMT
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>
> An oldie, probably not true, but apropos. T

Yeah, I've seen this one. ;-)

Cathy
Wickeddoll® - 18 Jun 2007 04:50 GMT
"Cathy F."...

> "tak"
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>
> Cathy

I have that one sitting in my joke emails, waiting to be sent out.

:-/

Natalie
sharx35 - 18 Jun 2007 07:23 GMT
> "Cathy F."...
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> I have that one sitting in my joke emails, waiting to be sent out.

It IS funny. Personally, I'd rather be a saddle at a riding academy mainly
patronized by coeds. Or, failing that, a bicycle seat on one of those borrow
a bikes at a women;s university. Ever notice how they often have the seat
tilted upwards...make it very difficult to reach the ground without a whole
lot of squirming and sliding?

> :-/
>
> Natalie
sharx35 - 18 Jun 2007 07:18 GMT
> "sharx35" ...
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>
> Natalie

Indeed, yes.
 
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