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Wickeddoll® - 15 Jun 2007 22:44 GMT http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19249855/
Natalie
 Signature This is Toyota country; so quiet you can hear the GMs rust.
tak - 15 Jun 2007 23:16 GMT > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19249855/ > > Natalie Brings back memories, I had an "elderly" '57 Plymouth 4-door, (1st car) 2 speed pushbutton auto Six-- hated it, took about a year to run it into the ground. Difference is I wouldn't dig mine up again. It would be too much like "Night of the Living Dead"
Wickeddoll® - 15 Jun 2007 23:42 GMT "tak" ..
> "Wickeddoll®"... >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19249855/ [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ground. Difference is I wouldn't dig mine up again. It would be too much > like "Night of the Living Dead" LOL not to mention the gas mileage.
You'd be really safe in a crash! If you're wearing a seat belt, and it's not a head-on collision, that is. Those things were solid steel.
Natalie
tak - 16 Jun 2007 00:14 GMT > "tak" .. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Natalie Solid steel in places, iron oxide in others, ;-{
tak - 16 Jun 2007 00:19 GMT > "tak" .. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Natalie Just remembered, No seatbelts
Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 00:39 GMT "tak"
> "Wickeddoll®" >>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19249855/ [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> Natalie > Just remembered, No seatbelts WHOA - I thought cars got seat belts in the 1940s?
Was it just optional? I was born in 1958, so by the time I was even aware of cars, they all had them.
Natalie
Cathy F. - 16 Jun 2007 00:46 GMT > "tak" >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> > WHOA - I thought cars got seat belts in the 1940s? Nope.
> Was it just optional? I was born in 1958, so by the time I was even aware > of cars, they all had them. No seat belts in any of the cars we had when I was little in the 50's. It was sometime in the 60's before we had a car w/seatbelts. My mother still automatically threw her arm in front of my sister (also born in '58) when having to stop short 'cause she was so used to the child not being belted in.
Cathy
> Natalie Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 00:55 GMT "Cathy F." ...
> "Wickeddoll®"... >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Cathy My aunt Cheryl *still* does that. She's only 3 years older than me, but quite hyper.
Natalie
Cathy F. - 16 Jun 2007 01:04 GMT > "Cathy F." ... >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > My aunt Cheryl *still* does that. She's only 3 years older than me, but > quite hyper. LOL. ;-) I'm sort of surprised my mother doesn't still do it. (My mother sometimes reminds me a bit of Tigger. <g>) OTOH, it's been a long time since I've ridden in the car with her driving, so maybe she still *would* do it...
Cathy
> Natalie mack - 16 Jun 2007 01:50 GMT > "tak" >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Natalie Nat, Chrysler started having seat belts as standard equipment in the early fifties ....about 1953 as I recall, about when the early postwar Chrysler products (which were warmed over prewar models) were ditched in favor of a boxy style ....Chrysler was promoting safety in those days, and that's why lots of Fords and GMs (which looked a lot sexier) were sold, and folks stayed away from the 'safety minded' Chrysler stuff in droves. That's why about 56 and 57, Chrysler products did a turnabout and made cars with huge fins and pseudo-aerodynamic looks. So yes, the '57s all had seat belts. I had a '57 Ford sedan on which they were standard, and I used 'em.
Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 02:19 GMT "mack" ...
> "Wickeddoll®" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > had seat belts. > I had a '57 Ford sedan on which they were standard, and I used 'em. Thanks.
Like I said, we *had* seat belts, but usually didn't wear them. Even on cross-country trips.
By the time I had my own kids, I made sure not only they, but anyone else wore them - I still insist on it!
Of course, that was after I'd worked in an Emergency Room. That'll convince *anyone* to wear them.
Natalie
n5hsr - 16 Jun 2007 14:35 GMT > "mack" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Natalie Hmmm, I don't remember us having seat belts in the 55 Plymouth, but then I was 6 years old when we sold it.
Charles of Schaumburg
mack - 16 Jun 2007 17:06 GMT > By the time I had my own kids, I made sure not only they, but anyone else > wore them - I still insist on it! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Natalie You got that right! Many years ago (about 40) I had an occasional girl friend who wrote me with condolences about my father's death, and mentioned that her mother had been in an accident, riding in a small Datsun truck as a passenger, and when the truck collided with another vehicle, she had gone through the windshield face-first, and wound up with something like 6,000 (!) sutures in her face and upper body. After her letter, I never again turned on the ignition without strapping in first.
Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 17:42 GMT "mack" ...
> "Wickeddoll®" ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > After her letter, I never again turned on the ignition without strapping > in first. She's very fortunate that all she had were sutures! Every time I hear about a fatal crash with the victim "ejected" from the vehicle, I just want to scream.
Yes, there is the rare instance that the seat belt hurt, rather than harmed the person, but the odd of that are astronomical.
Natalie
sharx35 - 16 Jun 2007 18:00 GMT > "mack" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Natalie I've never been one to like the govt. telling me what to do but I started wearing seat belts LONG before it was mandatory in Alberta. Reason? To save my OWN sorry a.s. It only makes sense to wear seat belts period. It takes only a second to buckle or unbuckle.
Scott in Florida - 16 Jun 2007 18:42 GMT >> "mack" ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >my OWN sorry a.s. It only makes sense to wear seat belts period. It takes >only a second to buckle or unbuckle. Another plus of seat belts is that it keeps the driver in position to control the car if something terrible happens....
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dbu,. - 16 Jun 2007 22:25 GMT > > "mack" ... > >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > my OWN sorry a.s. It only makes sense to wear seat belts period. It takes > only a second to buckle or unbuckle. I was in a rollover in 1967, California, lap belts only and both the driver and me stayed in the car even though both doors were sprung wide open. We would both have been ejected without doubt and who knows what would have happened. I am a firm believer in seat belts regardless of any laws. I wear them and insist the passengers buckle up before I move the vehicle. Seat belts are 1000 percent better than in 1967.
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tak - 16 Jun 2007 02:28 GMT >> "tak" >>> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > had seat belts. > I had a '57 Ford sedan on which they were standard, and I used 'em. Beg to differ, but at least my Plymouth didn't have seatbelts. You may have crossed brands, IIRC, It was Ford who tried the safety angle in the mid-fifties with seatbelts, padded dashboards and "basket" style steering wheels.
Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 02:39 GMT "tak" ...
> "mack" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >> had seat belts. >> I had a '57 Ford sedan on which they were standard, and I used 'em.
> Beg to differ, but at least my Plymouth didn't have seatbelts. You may > have crossed brands, IIRC, It was Ford who tried the safety angle in the > mid-fifties with seatbelts, padded dashboards and "basket" style steering > wheels. So that's twice that Ford miscalculated what the public wanted, huh?
Natalie
tak - 16 Jun 2007 03:00 GMT > "tak" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Natalie Twice? They hung on to the Model "T" for too, too long, The Edsel Died young, and the Mustang II was a pos. Others probably remember other duds from Ford, Chrysler, and GM. Do we get to hear about car losers?
Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 04:20 GMT "tak" ...
> "Wickeddoll®" >>> >>> "mack" ... [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > young, and the Mustang II was a pos. Others probably remember other duds > from Ford, Chrysler, and GM. Do we get to hear about car losers? All carmakers have duds - I mean, being out of touch to a disastrous degree. Like now.
Natalie
Scott in Florida - 16 Jun 2007 14:14 GMT >> "tak" ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] >young, and the Mustang II was a pos. Others probably remember other duds >from Ford, Chrysler, and GM. Do we get to hear about car losers? The Escort and Maverick
 Signature Scott in Florida I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat. There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators.
This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer. Will Rogers (1879 - 1935)
Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 17:40 GMT "Scott in Florida"... , "tak" <takirch@frontiernet.net>
> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] >> > The Escort and Maverick Are you kidding?!
The Escort was *huge*, both in the US and England!
Natalie
Scott in Florida - 16 Jun 2007 18:43 GMT >"Scott in Florida"... >, "tak" <takirch@frontiernet.net> [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > >Natalie huge mistake.....
 Signature Scott in Florida I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat. There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators.
This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer. Will Rogers (1879 - 1935)
Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 18:56 GMT "Scott in Florida"... "Wickeddoll®" "...
>>, "tak" >>>>>> "mack" ... [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > huge mistake..... Sez you - everyone I know who owned one loved it.
:-P Natalie
tak - 16 Jun 2007 19:31 GMT > "Scott in Florida"... > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > > Natalie Another contender from the mists of time: The PINTO!!!!
Everyone I know who had one considered themselves lucky to be former owners (of course, my sample population is only four)
Scott in Florida - 16 Jun 2007 20:24 GMT >> "Scott in Florida"... >> "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] >Everyone I know who had one considered themselves lucky to be former owners >(of course, my sample population is only four) I had a Pinto Wagon and loved it.
 Signature Scott in Florida I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat. There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators.
This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer. Will Rogers (1879 - 1935)
Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 20:32 GMT "Scott in Florida" , "tak"
> wrote: >>> "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] > > I had a Pinto Wagon and loved it. See. What do *you* know?!
:-) Natalie, snipping Scott's long-assed sign line
Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 20:29 GMT "tak" ...
> "Wickeddoll®" >> "Scott in Florida"... [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] > Everyone I know who had one considered themselves lucky to be former > owners (of course, my sample population is only four) BOOM!
Natalie
tak - 17 Jun 2007 01:44 GMT > "tak" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 98 lines] > > Natalie The best of these four in the masochism dept. was a co-worker who bought the pinto with 70,000 or so miles on it from the company, it woke up dead in his driveway one morning with about 78,000 or 80,000 miles on it. The estimate for repairs was too high for him, he scrapped it AND went out and bought a used CHEVETTE! The chevette actually hung around for several commuter years of service. Go figure.
Wickeddoll® - 17 Jun 2007 02:09 GMT "tak"
> "Wickeddoll®" >>>> "Scott in Florida"... [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] > and bought a used CHEVETTE! The chevette actually hung around for several > commuter years of service. Go figure. Good gawd. Death wish, anyone?!
Natalie
dbu,. - 16 Jun 2007 22:18 GMT > > "Scott in Florida"... > > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > Everyone I know who had one considered themselves lucky to be former owners > (of course, my sample population is only four) Forward looking Ford attempt at more fuel conservative vehicles. I cannot fault Ford for that. No car is 100 percent safe. The Volkswagon beetle is an example. It was a great car, user maintainable, fuel efficient and affordable, but was sunk because of safety regulations.
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"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the President." Hillary Clinton
Scott in Florida - 16 Jun 2007 20:23 GMT >"Scott in Florida"... > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > >Natalie I did not dislike my Escort.
It was just a repair nightmare.
Air Conditioning
Transmission
Timing Belts
Burned Oil
It was a nice car except for the maintenance headache.
 Signature Scott in Florida I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat. There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators.
This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer. Will Rogers (1879 - 1935)
n5hsr - 16 Jun 2007 06:18 GMT > "tak" >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Natalie Illinois passed a law. Any new car beginning 1965 model year and any used car beginning with the 1961 model year had to be fitted with seatbelts when sold. But the catch on used cars is if you never sold it, you never had to put seatbelts in it.
We got seatbelts for our '63 Chevy II in 1965 sometime. We bought a 62 Corvair but it had been in Illinois from 1962 to 1965 so it also already had seat belts by the time we bought it in 1970.
Charles of Schaumburg
mark - 16 Jun 2007 08:28 GMT > "tak" >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Natalie dunno......... my dad had a 57 Plymouth, it was my first ride. I was born in 1959
NO seatbelts in his 4-door Belvedere
Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 17:39 GMT "mark" ...
>> "tak" >>>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19249855/ [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > NO seatbelts in his 4-door Belvedere More info on that car:
http://www.buriedcar.com/
Natalie
GO Mavs - 16 Jun 2007 01:14 GMT "Also buried with it were 10 gallons of gasoline - in case internal combustion engines became obsolete by 2007 - "
the funniest part... hahaha... SORRY to let you down guys!
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19249855/ > > Natalie Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 01:18 GMT "GO Mavs" ...
> "Also buried with it were 10 gallons of gasoline - in case internal > combustion engines became obsolete by 2007 - " > > the funniest part... hahaha... SORRY to let you down guys! LOL yeah, they probably thought we'd have Jetson-esque cars by now.
Natalie
> "Wickeddoll®" ... >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19249855/ >> >> Natalie Jeff - 17 Jun 2007 22:19 GMT Another long-lasting car, 50 years, no rust:
<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/17/world/europe/17trabant.html?ref=automobiles>
Jeff
Note: Those nifty angle brackets cause the URL to stay on one line, for nifty cut and past or clicking to get the URL.
Wickeddoll® - 18 Jun 2007 01:24 GMT "Jeff" ...
> Another long-lasting car, 50 years, no rust: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Note: Those nifty angle brackets cause the URL to stay on one line, for > nifty cut and past or clicking to get the URL. But I doubt that would work with one of those really long ones; at least for those of us who use wrap.
Natalie
Art - 16 Jun 2007 02:36 GMT Back when I was a young lad and Toyota was new in the country, I remember a picture and newspaper article about Toyota burying a bunch of brand new cars because the defrosters could not be made to meet the US standards. I presume they took all the good parts off of them first before burying them. You have to wonder why they couldn't part them out and crush the left over steel. But I distinctly remember they burried them to get rid of them.
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19249855/ > > Natalie Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 04:18 GMT > Back when I was a young lad and Toyota was new in the country, I remember > a picture and newspaper article about Toyota burying a bunch of brand new [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > left over steel. But I distinctly remember they burried them to get rid > of them. That sounds like a really boneheaded solution. You sure you didn't dream that? LOL
Natalie
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19249855/ >> >> Natalie Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 18:00 GMT "Wickeddoll®" :...
> "mack" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Natalie DOH!
That should be hurt rather than helped...
Natalie
dh - 16 Jun 2007 19:46 GMT > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19249855/ > > Natalie Is that the same model and year of car that was possessed in "Christine?"
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Wickeddoll® - 16 Jun 2007 20:31 GMT "dh" ...
> "Wickeddoll®" ... >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19249855/ >> >> Natalie > > Is that the same model and year of car that was possessed in "Christine?" Nope - that was a 1958 Plymouth Fury.
Natalie
sharx35 - 17 Jun 2007 05:05 GMT > "dh" ... >> "Wickeddoll®" ... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Natalie Another Stephen King fan? I've read most of his fiction. I note that earlier this week, his publisher released a completely rewritten version of Blaze, under his old pseudonym...Richard????
Wickeddoll® - 17 Jun 2007 20:36 GMT "sharx35" ...
> "Wickeddoll®" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > earlier this week, his publisher released a completely rewritten version > of Blaze, under his old pseudonym...Richard???? Bachman.
Natalie
tak - 17 Jun 2007 21:07 GMT > "sharx35" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Natalie Overdrive-- Bachman-Turner
Cathy F. - 17 Jun 2007 21:12 GMT >> "sharx35" ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> Natalie > Overdrive-- Bachman-Turner You're taking care of business.
Cathy (who did not like that song!)
Wickeddoll® - 18 Jun 2007 01:23 GMT "Cathy F." ...
> "tak".. >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Cathy (who did not like that song!) I didn't care for that group at all.
Natalie
sharx35 - 18 Jun 2007 07:19 GMT >>> "sharx35" ... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Cathy (who did not like that song!) Randy Bachman is a total egomaniac--an insufferable a.shole.
Wickeddoll® - 18 Jun 2007 01:22 GMT "tak" ...
> "Wickeddoll®" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> Natalie > Overdrive-- Bachman-Turner *fwap*
Natalie
tak - 18 Jun 2007 01:55 GMT > "tak" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Natalie Maybe it was a stretch to try to tie overdrive trannies, Bachman-Turner Overdrive, and King's directorial debut with"Maximum Overdrive" together, but Fwap?????
Wickeddoll® - 18 Jun 2007 02:05 GMT "tak" ...
> "Wickeddoll®" ... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Overdrive, and King's directorial debut with"Maximum Overdrive" together, > but Fwap????? The fwap was for sticking that damned song in my head.
Natalie
Cathy F. - 18 Jun 2007 02:14 GMT > "tak" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> > The fwap was for sticking that damned song in my head. If one has to have an earworm, at least it should be a *good* earworm! (As opposed to this one.)
Cathy
> Natalie tak - 18 Jun 2007 02:49 GMT >> "tak" ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >> Natalie Oh. Sorry about that, But things could be worse:
'As a new, young MD doing his residency in OB , I was quite embarrassed when performing female pelvic exams. To cover my embarrassment I had unconsciously formed a habit of whistling softly. The middle-aged lady upon whom I was performing this exam suddenly burst out laughing and further embarrassing me. I looked up from my work and sheepishly said, "I'm sorry. Was I tickling you?" She replied, "No doctor, but the song you were whistling was, "I wish I was an Oscar Meyer Wiener". Doctor wouldn't submit his > name...........'
An oldie, probably not true, but apropos. T
Cathy F. - 18 Jun 2007 03:01 GMT >>> "tak" ... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > An oldie, probably not true, but apropos. T Yeah, I've seen this one. ;-)
Cathy
Wickeddoll® - 18 Jun 2007 04:50 GMT "Cathy F."...
> "tak" >>> [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Cathy I have that one sitting in my joke emails, waiting to be sent out.
:-/ Natalie
sharx35 - 18 Jun 2007 07:23 GMT > "Cathy F."... >> [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > I have that one sitting in my joke emails, waiting to be sent out. It IS funny. Personally, I'd rather be a saddle at a riding academy mainly patronized by coeds. Or, failing that, a bicycle seat on one of those borrow a bikes at a women;s university. Ever notice how they often have the seat tilted upwards...make it very difficult to reach the ground without a whole lot of squirming and sliding?
> :-/ > > Natalie sharx35 - 18 Jun 2007 07:18 GMT > "sharx35" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Natalie Indeed, yes.
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