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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Cars / June 2007TIRES: Mount this Side In vs Mount this Side Out
I just checked the tire air pressure on my car. To my surprise I noticed that both tires on the rightside/passenger's side are showing "Mount This Side In" ! What is the potential danger caused by having the rubber mounted incorrectly on the wheel rims? I think that there is a greater probability of skidding/hydroplanning during rainy weather and that traction is not what it should be; e.g., greater braking distance. Am I correct ? The set of tires that are presently on my car were purchased 2 or 3 years ago from a TOYOTA Dealership. I have not changed the mounting of any of the tires since they were first installed by the dealership, but cannot prove that. To make things more complicated, the dealership recently was bought and changed its name. Is there any basis for litigation for getting reimbursement for the expense for correcting those tire's position on the wheel rims ? What would the book rate be for remounting each tire on the wheel rim? Labor plus Parts ? > I just checked the tire air pressure on my car. To my surprise I > noticed that both tires on the rightside/passenger's side are showing > "Mount This Side In" ! > > What is the potential danger caused by having the rubber mounted > incorrectly on the wheel rims? The tires rotate in opposite directions, so that on one side they are rotating clockwise and on the other counterclockwise. I really doubt that there is any damage done or much danger. > I think that there is a greater probability of skidding/hydroplanning > during rainy weather and that traction is not what it should be; e.g., [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > of any of the tires since they were first installed by the dealership, > but cannot prove that. Perhaps some tech dismounted the tires at some point in time and remounted them. I can't figure out why. > To make things more complicated, the dealership recently was bought > and changed its name. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > What would the book rate be for remounting each tire on the wheel rim? > Labor plus Parts ? New dealership? One that wants your business? I would go and talk to the service manager and explain the problem. I would just ask to have the tires mounted properly. I would think that the service manager would agree to remount the tires for free. I would guess that it would be like $10 per tire to get the tires remounted. Jeff Be aware: If you reverse the tires on the rims you will also reverse the direction of rotation of those tires - something that is not advised on radial ply tires after they have a few hundred miles on them (that is why when rotating tires you only do front to back and back to front on the same side). Best to talk to a tire specialist and provide them with how many miles the tires have on them. You may be OK - but you may also be exposing yourself to early tire failure... Your dealer should cover any corrective action - but nothing will force them to. Also, the direction for mounting "This side in" is due to an asymmetrical tread pattern - probably with more rubber contact on the outside of the tire since that gets the heaviest load in cornering. Some tires are also unidirectional - they are made to rotate in only one direction and actually come in left and right side versions. Jack G. >> I just checked the tire air pressure on my car. To my surprise I >> noticed that both tires on the rightside/passenger's side are showing [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Jeff > Be aware: If you reverse the tires on the rims you will also reverse the > direction of rotation of those tires - something that is not advised on > radial ply tires after they have a few hundred miles on them (that is why > when rotating tires you only do front to back and back to front on the > same side). Actually, this is no longer true. Newer radials are rotated the same as the old Bias Ply tires were. Hach - True to a point - that being that tires are rotated frequently - every 3,00 to 5,000 miles. Tires rotated less frequently should still be kept on the same side. Also - there is a different recommended rotation pattern for front wheel drive, all wheel drive, and rear wheel drive cars - and with and without a standard size spare. The original poster purchased the tires 2 or 3 years ago and is just noticing that the tires are mounted incorrectly. I assume he has not had the tires rotated in that time and stand by my statement that he could be risking premature tire failure (tread separation) if he reverses the rotational direction of the tires. Jack G. >> Be aware: If you reverse the tires on the rims you will also reverse the >> direction of rotation of those tires - something that is not advised on [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Actually, this is no longer true. Newer radials are rotated the same as > the old Bias Ply tires were. > Hach - True to a point - that being that tires are rotated frequently - > every 3,00 to 5,000 miles. There is a big difference between " a few hundred miles" and 3,000 to 5,000 miles. Tires rotated less frequently should still be > kept on the same side. Also - there is a different recommended rotation > pattern for front wheel drive, all wheel drive, and rear wheel drive > cars - and with and without a standard size spare. Tire manufacturers do not have different rotation recommendations for front wheel, all wheel, and rear wheel drive cars. The only difference is whether or not to include the spare, which only trucks AFAIK have full sizes spares. The original poster purchased > the tires 2 or 3 years ago and is just noticing that the tires are mounted > incorrectly. I assume he has not had the tires rotated in that time and > stand by my statement that he could be risking premature tire failure > (tread separation) if he reverses the rotational direction of the tires. Why do you assume that? Are you a prophet? If so, you are not very good as you do reject tire manufacturer new rotation recommendations. > Jack G. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> Actually, this is no longer true. Newer radials are rotated the same as >> the old Bias Ply tires were. "Mike Dobony" <sword@notasarian-host.net> opin'd thus: >Tire manufacturers do not have different rotation recommendations for front >wheel, all wheel, and rear wheel drive cars. True. >The only difference is whether >or not to include the spare, which only trucks AFAIK have full sizes spares. My '05 Camry SE came with a full-sized spare, mounted on the same kind of color-matched wheel as the ones on the car. I rotate all five in an X-plus-spare pattern so that each tire will be on each wheel about the same amount of time, assuring the they will all wear nearly identically. (I rotate mine every 5k miles; a task I do 'cause I enjoy it and 'cause it's one of the few things I can still do on a modern car ;^) The only other reason for a different rotation recommendation I can think of is if the tires are directional . . . .  SignatureA fine is a tax for doing wrong -- a tax is a fine for doing well See these tire manufacturers sites for information on DIFFERENT Tire Rotation Patterns depending on the drive wheel configuration of the vehicle: http://www.michelinman.com/care/tip2.html http://www.aa1car.com/library/tire_rotation_bridgestone.pdf http://www.goodyeartires.com/faqs/Rotation.html Also: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=43 Let me know if you need more references for tire rotation patterns - there are dozens of them out there... Jack G. > "Mike Dobony" <sword@notasarian-host.net> opin'd thus: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > The only other reason for a different rotation recommendation I can > think of is if the tires are directional . . . . > To make things more complicated, the dealership recently was bought and > changed its name. > > Is there any basis for litigation for getting reimbursement for the > expense for correcting those tire's position on the wheel rims ? Why the *HELL* are you talking litigation?!?!?! Why are people so friggin *SUE HAPPY* in this country?!?! Here, you want to hear a case? My stepfather had a 1982 Toyota pickup. They had a defective elbow in the heater core inside the truck. It let go on a 100 degree day. Imagine 100+ antifreeze POURING onto your leg on a 100 degree day, in heavy highway traffic, and having to maintain vehicle speed in order to not get rear ended. Now imagine second and third degree burns on your right leg. And, since he never received the recall notice he didn't know it was bad. After I found out years later, I suggested he contact Toyota. Since his medical bills were all covered by his health care, he said, Screw it. And then went out and bought a Camry. He probably could have made $250,000 on one PHONE CALL and didn't, and you're talking about litigation because your tires are on wrong??!?!?! Here's some advice. Take the car back to the dealer. Show them the error. Let them put the tires on properly. Drive at slightly lower speeds for the first 100-200 miles while the tires get used to their new positions. </rant> > I just checked the tire air pressure on my car. To my surprise I > noticed that both tires on the rightside/passenger's side are showing > "Mount This Side In" ! > > What is the potential danger caused by having the rubber mounted > incorrectly on the wheel rims? Some tires are have directional travel to improve traction. Besides the "Mount this side in" warning, there would also be arrows to show rotation direction. I doubt if it is actually dangerous. > I think that there is a greater probability of skidding/hydroplanning > during rainy weather and that traction is not what it should be; e.g., > greater braking distance. > > Am I correct ? See above. > The set of tires that are presently on my car were purchased 2 or 3 > years ago from a TOYOTA Dealership. I have not changed the mounting [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Is there any basis for litigation for getting reimbursement for the > expense for correcting those tire's position on the wheel rims ? I think you are better off asking politely to have them corrected than suing. > What would the book rate be for remounting each tire on the wheel rim? > Labor plus Parts ? Book rate is probably .5 to R&R a tire, plus .3 for balance, plus weights as needed. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) I was going to offer my two cents, but then I noticed you want to sue. > I just checked the tire air pressure on my car. To my surprise I > noticed that both tires on the rightside/passenger's side are showing [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > What would the book rate be for remounting each tire on the wheel rim? > Labor plus Parts ? >I was going to offer my two cents, but then I noticed you want to sue. LOL...are you becoming a weak kneed liberal????? SignatureScott in Florida There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. Will Rogers (1879 - 1935) >>I was going to offer my two cents, but then I noticed you want to sue. > > LOL...are you becoming a weak kneed liberal????? No. I'm becoming a landlord. I have enough liability that I don't need to tell this guy that his tires are not going to make his car fall off the road. >>>I was going to offer my two cents, but then I noticed you want to sue. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >tell this guy that his tires are not going to make his car fall off the >road. LOL....ok. Good luck! SignatureScott in Florida There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. Will Rogers (1879 - 1935) > I just checked the tire air pressure on my car. To my surprise I > noticed that both tires on the rightside/passenger's side are showing > "Mount This Side In" ! > > What is the potential danger caused by having the rubber mounted > incorrectly on the wheel rims? Almost none. > I think that there is a greater probability of skidding/hydroplanning > during rainy weather and that traction is not what it should be; e.g., > greater braking distance. > > Am I correct ? I doubt it, unless there is some specific tread pattern that requires only one direction.. > The set of tires that are presently on my car were purchased 2 or 3 > years ago from a TOYOTA Dealership. I have not changed the mounting [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > What would the book rate be for remounting each tire on the wheel rim? > Labor plus Parts ? I don't think there is any problem, as long as you don't switch them. I think the placard is mainly just for a reference being many tires are all blackwall now. That way you don't get mixed up. I would not change them!!! I don't think you are generally supposed to reverse the rotation on radials. So changing them could quite possibly cause trouble. I don't think there is any safety or wear issue.. It's just so people can keep track of which side is which. It it was mine, I would leave them as is, and not worry about it. Should be no problem. Litigation? Are you serious? :/ Good grief... I bet you would have never noticed a problem at all until you read that placard... After all, it's already been 2-3 years. MK >> I just checked the tire air pressure on my car. To my surprise I >> noticed that both tires on the rightside/passenger's side are showing [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I doubt it, unless there is some specific tread pattern that requires > only one direction.. There IS a specific tread pattern, that's why the tires are marked OTHER SIDE OUT, or whatever. > <n...@wt.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > There IS a specific tread pattern, that's why the tires are marked OTHER > SIDE OUT, or whatever. Maybe, but I don't think any difference in performance would amount to a hill of beans.. For one thing, you have the two on the front rotating in opposite directions, even mounted normally. I just went out and looked at mine. The sidewall treads are the same on either side.. So thats not going to be effected. The two rows of inner treads are at a slant, but if you reverse the tire, they just lead from the other side of center.. I'd be surprised if you could notice it on the road. And like I say, each of the front/rear pairs rotate in opposite directions. They go counterclockwise on the left, clockwise on the right.. So it's not like that can't go in the other direction as far as the belt, or whatever. If it were me, I'd leave em like they are. I'd feel more comfortable with that, than changing them after 2-3 years. That could lead to belt, etc problems.. In the whitewall tire days, flipping them when new was real common.. Some people wanted blackwalls.. MK |
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