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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Cars / June 2007

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Camry Impression after Trip

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jor - 19 Jun 2007 16:45 GMT
07 LE Camry 4 Spd Auto

Well, the Camry performed well on a 2,400 mile trip we just cocluded
(to Tulsa, OK to see the buried Belvedere which was great by the way).
Anyhow, my only real complaint is this baby seems to me to be under
powered. I tried to maintain 80 mph on highway and freeway roads.  When
climbing, this thing constantly shifts down from 4th to 3rd to 2nd. It
sounds like: Hmmmmmm... then Rrrrrrrr.... then
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA... It cruises at 2,500 rpm at 80 in 4th,
jumps to 3,500 in 2nd and screams up to 5,000 in 2nd. Got pretty
annoying after awhile. On level roads like we have around here
(Arizona) it performs very well. I've had four other Camrys over the
years but they were all 5 spd manuals. Man, I miss my six cynlinder
Avalon. Anyhow, with that exception, the car performed very well.
Didn't use any oil.

Here's a link to some photos of the Belvedere. She suffered under that
wet Oklahoma ground for 50 years but remains intact. I saved a few
photos as a slideshow (haven't done this before so I'll cover myself
with a few individual photos too).
jor

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EdV - 19 Jun 2007 18:10 GMT
The 07 is a 5spd A/T. Are you in cruise control while doing 80? how
many passengers? I had the same experience with my 07 but I also felt
that on other cars that I rented during long trips (a freestyle with 4
adults and 2 kids no luggage and on a 300 with 3 adults and 2 kids +
luggage). Not too bad I guess, because most of the cars driving the
same direction slowed down during the climb and nobody really stands
out speeding on the climb. But of course a 6yl camry will be more
powerful than the 4
jor - 19 Jun 2007 23:52 GMT
> The 07 is a 5spd A/T. Are you in cruise control while doing 80? how
> many passengers? I had the same experience with my 07 but I also felt
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> out speeding on the climb. But of course a 6yl camry will be more
> powerful than the 4
5 speed? Yea, now I see that. The selector has a 4-D indication but I
see they are two different positions. So it was shifting from 5th to
4th to 3rd. Anyhow, yes, I was using cruise control. Just my wife and I
with a little luggage.
jor
nm5k@wt.net - 20 Jun 2007 07:54 GMT
> > The 07 is a 5spd A/T. Are you in cruise control while doing 80? how
> > many passengers? I had the same experience with my 07 but I also felt
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> with a little luggage.
> jor

I think it's more the cruise than the tranny.. My corolla does that
when going up a fairly steep grade with the cruise on.
It will downshift twice sometimes, which seems to be overkill
to me, but thats what it does.. Now, if I'm not in cruise, it rarely
does that, or if it does, it will usually just shift down one gear.
What I do with the cruise on is to manually give it the gas slightly
ahead of time, and that way it won't usually do it.. Like I say,
it seems to be a signal from the cruise saying, "hey, punch the gas,
I'm slowing down", and don't waste time about it!!  When that
happens going up a grade, I can turn the cruise off, and it will
usually instantly shift back to higher gears.
That heavy punch in throttle could be part of what makes the
tranny think it should downshift.
If the cruise is set at say 70, and you hit a steep grade, if you go
slightly faster than 70, it won't happen. It'll cruise right up the
grade in O/D, unless it really senses it needs to downshift
to keep from lugging.
So like I say, it seems to be more induced from the cruise,
than the tranny itself wanting to do it. It will rarely do that
with the cruise off, and if it does, it's usually just one gear
down, instead of two. Course, my corolla is a 4 speed A/T,
not a five..
Anyway, it bugs the heck out of me when it does that, but
I've found ways to get around it, so it doesn't do it much.
IE: going up a grade, manually gas it, so the cruise doesn't
end up the signal to do it.
MK
jor - 20 Jun 2007 15:26 GMT
> <snip>
>
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> end up the signal to do it.
> MK

Thanks, MK. I think you are absolutely correct. I tried driving (and
maintaining 80 mph) without the cruise and didn't have the problem.
I'll take your suggestion and will thus avoid the jet engine-like
scream of the four cylinder.
jor
DH - 20 Jun 2007 17:16 GMT
>> <snip>
>> Anyway, it bugs the heck out of me when it does that, but
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> four cylinder.
> jor

It seems to me that Toyota tunes its gear-selection algorithms strangely
biased towards downshifting.  My automatic Rav4 downshifts in situations
where I would not begin to consider downshifting my stick Rav4.  They'r both
00's.

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nm5k@wt.net - 21 Jun 2007 02:18 GMT
> > <snip>
>
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> scream of the four cylinder.
> jor

Glad it worked out.. Other than that, the cruise control is actually
pretty good and tight. It holds speed pretty close, and will climb
grades on the interstate pretty well on it's own, as long as they
aren't too steep. You'll get to where you can recognize the grade
level where you need to manually give it gas so the cruise thinks
it's speeding, or at speed and doesn't give any throttle.
I'll bump it to 71 or 72 on a 70 cruise set going up a hill, and
rarely
have the problem.. The cruise thinks it needs to slow down... :)
I use the cruise almost all the time. Even on slow streets if they
are fairly long. It's always on on the interstates.. But my foot
is usually ready if I see a steep grade coming up.. I'll start to
slowly override the cruise with my foot till I get over the hump.
MK
Jeff - 21 Jun 2007 03:02 GMT
>>> <snip>
>>> Anyway, it bugs the heck out of me when it does that, but
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> slowly override the cruise with my foot till I get over the hump.
> MK

I have a 5-speed manual in my V6 Ford Contour. The cruise holds the
speed very closely, even going uphill. Usually, the speed going uphill
is around 60 mph (55 mph speed limit; usually just under 70 mph on
interestates). The hills are fairly steep, steeper than what is on
interstates. I guess this is an advantage of manual transmissions.

Jeff
nm5k@wt.net - 22 Jun 2007 07:48 GMT
> jor
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Dang...2+2=987....
I just realized you are probably the same Jor as over at
Fordification...
Small planet... To the ones that are in the dark, that's a 67-72 ford
truck forum.. IE: "bumpside"..  :/  I've got a 68 F-250... A 74 F-100
too..
MK
jor - 22 Jun 2007 15:36 GMT
> Dang...2+2=987....
> I just realized you are probably the same Jor as over at
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> too..
> MK

Ha ha... got me! Nice to see you over here with the Toyota maniacs. I
have a 67 and a 68, both F-100s. You and I are probably the only
Fordification guys on UseNet. Most people anymore don't even know what
it is.
jor
 
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