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I think I'll pass on buying a Chinese car...

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Hachiroku ハチロク - 23 Jun 2007 01:56 GMT
http://www.chinacartimes.com/2007/06/21/brilliance-bs6-crash-test-pictures/

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/22/brilliance-bs6s-adac-crash-test-is-anything-but/
kaboom - 23 Jun 2007 03:45 GMT
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:56:32 GMT,
=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno@AE86.gts>
wrote:

>http://www.chinacartimes.com/2007/06/21/brilliance-bs6-crash-test-pictures/
>
>http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/22/brilliance-bs6s-adac-crash-test-is-anything-but/

The not-so-Brilliance BS6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F06LjugtIUo

And let's not forget the Jiangling Landwind X6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Ts94rjr4M

Medic!
Ray O - 23 Jun 2007 04:35 GMT
> http://www.chinacartimes.com/2007/06/21/brilliance-bs6-crash-test-pictures/
>
> http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/22/brilliance-bs6s-adac-crash-test-is-anything-but/

I don't know what the impact speed was, but having the door open and the
A-pillar, roof, and floor buckle like that is not a good thing!
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Hachiroku ハチロク - 23 Jun 2007 10:48 GMT
>> http://www.chinacartimes.com/2007/06/21/brilliance-bs6-crash-test-pictures/
>>
>> http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/22/brilliance-bs6s-adac-crash-test-is-anything-but/
>>
> I don't know what the impact speed was, but having the door open and the
> A-pillar, roof, and floor buckle like that is not a good thing!

Yeah, the position of the driver's door and that nice RIP in the floor
were what got me...
mack - 23 Jun 2007 08:27 GMT
> http://www.chinacartimes.com/2007/06/21/brilliance-bs6-crash-test-pictures/
>
> http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/22/brilliance-bs6s-adac-crash-test-is-anything-but/

Given enough time, and we'll likely ALL be buying Chinese cars whether we
want 'em or not.   Walk through a Target or Wal*Mart, and you will hardly
see any goods that aren't Chinese.   In Target the other day, in the garden
section there was a selection of three hedge clippers, one was $10, one was
$12.75, and a fancy one was $17.95, and guess what....they were ALL made in
China.   Even a Panasonic microwave over....(with that good old Japanese
name) was
yep, made in China.
sharx35 - 23 Jun 2007 08:33 GMT
>> http://www.chinacartimes.com/2007/06/21/brilliance-bs6-crash-test-pictures/
>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> old Japanese name) was
> yep, made in China.

Yup and the quality, in many cases, is improving, just like what happened in
Japan. Initially junk, then quality now, e.g Toyota.  It's not all
bleak--many of the Chinese companies are partially owned by western
interests and/or buy parts/supplies from western sources--the question
remains..WHY does Japan get away with all its restrictions on imports?
mack - 23 Jun 2007 20:01 GMT
>>> http://www.chinacartimes.com/2007/06/21/brilliance-bs6-crash-test-pictures/
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> interests and/or buy parts/supplies from western sources--the question
> remains..WHY does Japan get away with all its restrictions on imports?

The more important question is "Why don't we start boycotting the western
industries which outsource all their manufacturing to China, and proceed to
close their plants in the west"?
Much as I like the idea of people raising their living standards anywhere on
the planet, I think this wholesale move to locate most or all manufacturing
in China will come back and bite us in the butt, and soon.
Try buying American goods anywhere.   You'll find that the only stuff we
make now is extremely low tech items like push pins and staples, and all the
stuff that has to be operated with electricity is not made here any more.
I'm in the market for a microwave oven, but every one I've seen lately is
either from China, Korea or Malaysia.
(One even was labelled "Made in PRC", trying to hide the fact that it came
from the People's Republic of China.)
EdV - 24 Jun 2007 00:55 GMT
Yep, America is loosing jobs, well not only America, I think even if
you go to Canada or Mexico, most shops would sell products made in
China.
Looking on the bright side, living conditions in the US would still be
better than China.
sharx35 - 24 Jun 2007 02:20 GMT
>>>> http://www.chinacartimes.com/2007/06/21/brilliance-bs6-crash-test-pictures/
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> (One even was labelled "Made in PRC", trying to hide the fact that it came
> from the People's Republic of China.)

When I was VERY young, and a Canadian nationalist, I went out of my way to
buy Canadian. However, after decades of being screwed over by a series of
Canadian governments, I say, "f.ck it", I'll buy what's cheapest for me and
let the chips fall where they may. Boundaries are becoming so much
bullshit....we need a ONE world government to end all this crap.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 24 Jun 2007 03:54 GMT
>> Yup and the quality, in many cases, is improving, just like what
>> happened in Japan. Initially junk, then quality now, e.g Toyota.  It's
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> on the planet, I think this wholesale move to locate most or all
> manufacturing in China will come back and bite us in the butt, and soon.

I was thinking about this the other day. Look inside your computer and see
where a lot of the components are coming from. They are getting the
technology, and will "bury" us as Nikita threatened to do.

Also, consider that there are a lot of very bright Chinese, and Reverse
Engineering will not be too hard for them.

It not only will bite us in the butt, but it's scary to boot...
larry moe 'n curly - 23 Jun 2007 08:54 GMT
> > http://www.chinacartimes.com/2007/06/21/brilliance-bs6-crash-test-pictures/
> >
> > http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/22/brilliance-bs6s-adac-crash-test-is-anything-but/
> >
> Given enough time, and we'll likely ALL be buying Chinese cars whether we
> want 'em or not.

I'd feel safer in a $200 Adobe ("The car made from clay!").

> Walk through a Target or Wal*Mart, and you will hardly see any goods that
> aren't Chinese.   In Target the other day, in the garden section there was a
> selection of three hedge clippers, one was $10, one was $12.75, and a fancy
> one was $17.95, and guess what....they were ALL made in China.   Even a
> Panasonic microwave over....(with that good old Japanese name) was yep,
> made in China.

Just because Chinese companies add poison to pet food and toothpaste
doesn't mean that they don't care about quality.  :(

I've read that the situation with Chinese quality is so bad that some
foreign companies got together and hired CSA (Canadian equivalent of
UL) to station inspectors at Chinese ports to make sure that safety
certified products really did meet the safety standards.  And at least
one company had some of its American employees live in its China
factories to guard against lower poor quality  parts being subsituted
for the ones originally specified.
Graybeard - 25 Jun 2007 12:34 GMT
If you will recall, the Clinton administration made China a favored trading
partner and removed all restrictions on imports to America, apparently in
return for the large amount of money that China gave the party to help
finance his re-election.  However, I believe that China still has some
restrictions on what we can export to them.

Of course, you all know that the Buick Century is made in China.

About two years ago I spent a month traveling all over China and rode in a
very well built coach (bus).  Discovered that the coach was built in China,
in partnership with a well known Korean car company - partly owned by an
American company. Good luck!

We saw a lot of different cars that appeared to look like some of the
American brands, but with different names on them.  We couldn't find out
where or who made many of them, but suspect that they were Chinese "knock
offs".

One last comment.  While in Shanghai, we were told that Shanghai has built,
in the last 15 years, over 1400 skyscrapers over 40 stories high!  They can
build anything.

Wow. We are in trouble.  For the economist out there, you will recall that
the great Adam Smith defined in his classic "The Wealth of Nations", the
method by which National wealth is generated in a capitalist country.
Only one way to generate wealth.  "You take a raw material, with a given
value, and modify it so that it has a higher value.  the process is called
manufacturing."  All other processes (lawyers, doctors, politicians, clerks,
salesmen, etc.) do not create National wealth.  They simply move money
around.

A professor once told a friend of mine, while working on a Masters degree,
"the only way WE can raise the standard of living in another country is to
lower our standards.  Interesting?

>> > http://www.chinacartimes.com/2007/06/21/brilliance-bs6-crash-test-pictures/
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> factories to guard against lower poor quality  parts being subsituted
> for the ones originally specified.
EdV - 25 Jun 2007 14:14 GMT
We should worry more when they start teaching the english subject in
Chinese Elementary
MaceFace - 25 Jun 2007 21:42 GMT
> We should worry more when they start teaching the english subject in
> Chinese Elementary

And teach it better than it was taught to you.  :)
 
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