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Mike Hunter - 27 Jun 2007 19:00 GMT
Giuliani takes on the person he will face in the 2008 Presidential race

VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (June 27) - Republican presidential candidate Rudy
Giuliani on Tuesday accused former President Clinton of not responding
forcefully enough to the 1993 World Trade Center bombing or later terrorist
attacks.

Photo Gallery: Giuliani Blasts Clinton
Cheryl Senter, AP

On the campaign trail, Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani has
criticized Democratic lawmakers and candidates, accusing them of weakness
and naivete in dealing with terrorism.

The former New York mayor criticized Democrats, accusing them of weakness
and naivete in dealing with terrorism. Giuliani made the comments to about
650 business, corporate and political leaders at Regent University, the
conservative Christian college founded by religious broadcaster Pat
Robertson.

"Islamic terrorists killed more than 500 Americans before Sept. 11. Many
people think the first attack on America was on Sept. 11, 2001. It was not.
It was in 1993," said the former New York mayor.

Giuliani argued that Clinton treated the World Trade Center bombing as a
criminal act instead of a terrorist attack, calling it "a big mistake" that
emboldened other strikes on the Khobar Towers housing complex in Saudi
Arabia, in Kenya and Tanzania and later on the USS Cole while docked in
Yemen in 2000.

"The United States government, then President Clinton, did not respond,"
Giuliani said. "(Osama) bin Laden declared war on us. We didn't hear it."

In hindsight, Giuliani said, maybe it's all clearer now, "but now is now,
and there is no reason to go back into denial, and that is essentially what
the Democratic candidates for president want to do: they want to go back, to
put the country in reverse to the 1990s.

"I'm not blaming anybody back then," Giuliani said later in the day at a
campaign stop at a Jewish temple in Rockville, Md. "What I am saying is, I
do blame people after Sept. 11. Now you have to get it."

Last September, Giuliani defended Clinton's record amid political bickering
over which president - Clinton or George W. Bush - missed more opportunities
to prevent the Sept. 11 attacks.

"The people who deserve blame for Sept. 11, I think we should remind
ourselves, are the terrorists - the Islamic fanatics - who came here and
killed us and want to come here again and do it."

In his comments Tuesday, Giuliani said Democrats would abandon Iraq while
giving terrorists the U.S. "timetable for retreat."

Giuliani remained aligned with President Bush in keeping U.S. forces in Iraq
even as two more senior Senate Republicans - Indiana's Richard Lugar and
Ohio's George Voinovich - in the past two days suggested the president's
policy is failing and said he should begin bringing troops home.

In his Rockville appearance, Giuliani compared the war in Iraq to the
conflict between Hamas and Israel.

"What happened in Gaza is a microcosm of what's going to happen in Baghdad"
if the United States withdraws. "It will become something that inflames the
entire region."

Democrats were quick to criticize Giuliani.

Speaking at Regent, Giuliani avoided any mention of two issues that put him
at odds with conservatives - his support for gay rights and abortion rights.

But he acknowledged the differences indirectly, drawing warm applause from
the conservative audience for doing so.

"Don't expect to agree with me on everything because that would be
unrealistic. I don't even agree with me on everything," he said.

Giuliani acknowledged there is little difference between his position and
the positions of those of other Republican candidates on terrorism and the
Middle East, but said his experience as mayor of New York has prepared him
to be better at handling presidential responsibilities.
Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute - 27 Jun 2007 19:20 GMT
In message news:ovudndajBrtJOB_bnZ2dnUVZ_oernZ2d@ptd.net, Mike Hunter
sprach forth the following:

> Republican presidential candidate Rudy
> Giuliani on Tuesday accused former President Clinton of not responding
> forcefully enough to the 1993 World Trade Center bombing or later
> terrorist attacks.

So I guess next year we'll get Ghouliani's opinion on Prince changing his
name to that symbol.

"Rudy - 14 Years Behind The Times Since 1993, Or Is That 1979?"
dbu,. - 27 Jun 2007 19:37 GMT
> Giuliani takes on the person he will face in the 2008 Presidential race

If nothing better comes along I'll vote for him.

Damn sure not voting for any democrat.

> VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (June 27) - Republican presidential candidate Rudy
> Giuliani on Tuesday accused former President Clinton of not responding
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> Middle East, but said his experience as mayor of New York has prepared him
> to be better at handling presidential responsibilities.

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Gary L. Burnore - 27 Jun 2007 19:47 GMT
>> Giuliani takes on the person he will face in the 2008 Presidential race
>
>If nothing better comes along I'll vote for him.

Not at all surprised you'd vote for the sleaze.  He thinks Iraq was
justified.  

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dbu,. - 27 Jun 2007 20:29 GMT
> >> Giuliani takes on the person he will face in the 2008 Presidential race
> >
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>
> Luser.

Is that your opinion or an edict from the exiled shadow government
called DNC?

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JoeSpareBedroom - 27 Jun 2007 20:33 GMT
>> >> Giuliani takes on the person he will face in the 2008 Presidential
>> >> race
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> Is that your opinion or an edict from the exiled shadow government
> called DNC?

Richard Lugar is the latest Republican to split with the president on our
Iraq strategy. I wonder who'll be next.
dbu,. - 27 Jun 2007 22:04 GMT
> >> >> Giuliani takes on the person he will face in the 2008 Presidential
> >> >> race
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> Richard Lugar is the latest Republican to split with the president on our
> Iraq strategy. I wonder who'll be next.

Just a facade, he voted for it.  My take is things are going as planned.  
Nobody said it would be easy and we would take some casualties.   I had
more to say regarding any possible withdraw of ground troops and how it
would be accomplished, but I think I will keep it to myself for now.

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JoeSpareBedroom - 27 Jun 2007 22:22 GMT
>> >> >> Giuliani takes on the person he will face in the 2008 Presidential
>> >> >> race
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> more to say regarding any possible withdraw of ground troops and how it
> would be accomplished, but I think I will keep it to myself for now.

I like your "he voted for it" routine. Smart people are capable of
reevaluating policies with the passage of time. You should study the concept
sometime.
Cathy F. - 27 Jun 2007 22:35 GMT
>>> >> >> Giuliani takes on the person he will face in the 2008 Presidential
>>> >> >> race
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>>
>> Just a facade, he voted for it.

People never wish they could reverse decisions they made, based on knowledge
they had *after* that decision'd been made?

Cathy

My take is things are going as planned.
>> Nobody said it would be easy and we would take some casualties.   I had
>> more to say regarding any possible withdraw of ground troops and how it
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> reevaluating policies with the passage of time. You should study the
> concept sometime.
Cathy F. - 27 Jun 2007 22:42 GMT
Oops - screwed up attributions:

Should've seen dbu listed first...

 " dbu,." <nsp@einp.com> wrote in message

>>>> >> >> Giuliani takes on the person he will face in the 2008
>>>> >> >> Presidential
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>> reevaluating policies with the passage of time. You should study the
>> concept sometime.
dbu,. - 27 Jun 2007 23:07 GMT
> Oops - screwed up attributions:
>
> Should've seen dbu listed first...

You are allowed ONE error before you are brought before the pie firing
squad, :)

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Cathy F. - 27 Jun 2007 23:55 GMT
>> Oops - screwed up attributions:
>>
>> Should've seen dbu listed first...
>
> You are allowed ONE error before you are brought before the pie firing
> squad, :)

If I make another error along these lines, make it... coconut custard or
pumpkin.  Please.

Cathy
dbu,. - 28 Jun 2007 00:01 GMT
> >> Oops - screwed up attributions:
> >>
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>
> Cathy

It will be a punkin pie, better for ya than coconut or custard.

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Cathy F. - 28 Jun 2007 00:04 GMT
>> >> Oops - screwed up attributions:
>> >>
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>
> It will be a punkin pie, better for ya than coconut or custard.

But... pumpkin pie is a custard pie - with pumpkin added, of course. So,
yeah, I guess it is more nutritional than coconut custard, or plain custard.
But still a ton of (yummy) calories.

Cathy
dbu,. - 28 Jun 2007 00:25 GMT
> >> >> Oops - screwed up attributions:
> >> >>
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>
> Cathy

I didn't know it was considered a "custard pie".  

Would you like the crust thick or thin?

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Cathy F. - 28 Jun 2007 01:15 GMT
>> >> >> Oops - screwed up attributions:
>> >> >>
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>
> I didn't know it was considered a "custard pie".

Yes, it's a custard.

> Would you like the crust thick or thin?

Thin.  OTOH, except for a crumb type of crust, I didn't know there was a
thick or thin pie crust...

Cathy
dbu,. - 28 Jun 2007 02:03 GMT
> >> >> >> Oops - screwed up attributions:
> >> >> >>
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>
> Cathy

It can be made either way.  I've had both and prefer the thinner crust
as I do with pizza.  All a personal choice of course.  I would think the
thinner would be less of a pain when striking the face though.  The pie
itself would still taste the same  :)

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Mike Hunter - 28 Jun 2007 16:24 GMT
I thought women preferred 'thick?'

mike

> Thin.  OTOH, except for a crumb type of crust, I didn't know there was a
> thick or thin pie crust...
>
> Cathy
sharx35 - 28 Jun 2007 23:35 GMT
>I thought women preferred 'thick?'

Heh, heh. That's for dicks not pizza.

> mike
>
>> Thin.  OTOH, except for a crumb type of crust, I didn't know there was a
>> thick or thin pie crust...
>>
>> Cathy
dbu,. - 27 Jun 2007 22:44 GMT
> >>> >> >> Giuliani takes on the person he will face in the 2008 Presidential
> >>> >> >> race
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>
> Cathy

He's just responding to heated politics.  He voted for it, he knew there
would be a report coming from the field in the fall and finally, this
statement Lugar made won't change anything.  Go back to sleep.

>  My take is things are going as planned.
> >> Nobody said it would be easy and we would take some casualties.   I had
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> > reevaluating policies with the passage of time. You should study the
> > concept sometime.

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dbu,. - 27 Jun 2007 22:42 GMT
> >> >> >> Giuliani takes on the person he will face in the 2008 Presidential
> >> >> >> race
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> reevaluating policies with the passage of time. You should study the concept
> sometime.

But it won't change anything.  You will see.  The report is due in the
fall, until then we will have to wait.  

I don't follow you about your remark having to do with smart people.  
What's going on right now is really a no brainer.

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JoeSpareBedroom - 27 Jun 2007 23:01 GMT
>> >> >> >> Giuliani takes on the person he will face in the 2008
>> >> >> >> Presidential
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> I don't follow you about your remark having to do with smart people.
> What's going on right now is really a no brainer.

Your president changed course after his dad gave him better people to work
with, like Casey. His dad did that to keep the family name looking good.
dbu,. - 27 Jun 2007 23:06 GMT
> >> >> >> >> Giuliani takes on the person he will face in the 2008
> >> >> >> >> Presidential
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> Your president changed course after his dad gave him better people to work
> with, like Casey. His dad did that to keep the family name looking good.

I don't know what you mean by that.  Would this be another disparaging
comment against GWB?

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JoeSpareBedroom - 27 Jun 2007 23:24 GMT
>> >> >> >> >> Giuliani takes on the person he will face in the 2008
>> >> >> >> >> Presidential
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> I don't know what you mean by that.  Would this be another disparaging
> comment against GWB?

No, not at all. But, consider that Jeb's political career still has
potential. Rumsfeld was beginning to sound like a raving lunatic, and making
GWB look bad. He was replaced because Papa Bush was smart. He knows that if
GWB leaves office discredited, it would be nice if the public didn't dislike
the entire family. So, we have a sane man, William Casey, running the DoD.
The Iraq study group contained a few other sane minds recommended by Papa
Bush. You probably didn't recognize them because you were really busy back
when he was president.
dbu,. - 27 Jun 2007 23:38 GMT
> >> >> >> >> >> Giuliani takes on the person he will face in the 2008
> >> >> >> >> >> Presidential
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> Bush. You probably didn't recognize them because you were really busy back
> when he was president.

William Casey, wasn't he in charge of the CIA and subsequently died of a
brain cancer?  I didn't know he was in charge of the DOD also, WOW what
I learn from JSB.

I think you babble a lot JSB.

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mack - 27 Jun 2007 23:52 GMT
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote . Rumsfeld was beginning to
sound like a raving lunatic, and making
> GWB look bad. He was replaced because Papa Bush was smart. He knows that
> if GWB leaves office discredited, it would be nice if the public didn't
> dislike the entire family. So, we have a sane man, William Casey, running
> the DoD.

Huh?  Joe, are you having a brain fart?    Casey died in 1987.    Are you
perhaps thinking of Robert Gates, the new secy of defense?
dbu,. - 28 Jun 2007 00:03 GMT
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote . Rumsfeld was beginning to
> sound like a raving lunatic, and making
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Huh?  Joe, are you having a brain fart?    Casey died in 1987.    Are you
> perhaps thinking of Robert Gates, the new secy of defense?

Go back to your horseshoes, he's playing his games again.

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JoeSpareBedroom - 28 Jun 2007 03:11 GMT
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote . Rumsfeld was beginning
> to sound like a raving lunatic, and making
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Huh?  Joe, are you having a brain fart?    Casey died in 1987.    Are you
> perhaps thinking of Robert Gates, the new secy of defense?

Yeah. My head's been stuck in a CIA book for the past week.

Notice, however, that dbu took my mistake as an opportunity to completely
ignore the subject at hand, when he knew full well who I meant. This is
because he's incapable of facing the fact that GWB is now dancing to his
dad's tune.
mack - 27 Jun 2007 23:45 GMT
" dbu,." <nsp@einp.com> wrote in message news:nsp-.   I had
> more to say regarding any possible withdraw of ground troops and how it
> would be accomplished, but I think I will keep it to myself for now.

That's a good fellow........you do that.
dbu,. - 28 Jun 2007 00:00 GMT
> " dbu,." <nsp@einp.com> wrote in message news:nsp-.   I had
> > more to say regarding any possible withdraw of ground troops and how it
> > would be accomplished, but I think I will keep it to myself for now.
>
> That's a good fellow........you do that.

How was the shuffleboard game today?

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JoeSpareBedroom - 28 Jun 2007 03:36 GMT
>> >> >> Giuliani takes on the person he will face in the 2008 Presidential
>> >> >> race
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> more to say regarding any possible withdraw of ground troops and how it
> would be accomplished, but I think I will keep it to myself for now.

"When Dick Lugar comes out against your foreign policy, it means your dam is
breaking, and it means we're far more likely as a country to move from Plan
A to Plan B this fall, when it comes to Iraq," said David Gergen, who has
advised both Republican and Democratic presidents.

Sen. George Voinovich, R-Ohio, is jumping straight to what he calls Plan "E"
for "Exit."

"It's time for the United States to put together a comprehensive plan for
gradual disengagement in Iraq," Voinovich said. "We're running out of time
and I don't think it's fair to the next administration to say, 'Hey by the
way, we're leaving this baby for you guys to figure out.' "

In a letter to the president, Voinovich, also a member of the Foreign
Relations Committee, called for military disengagement and increased
diplomatic engagement.

Both Lugar and Voinovich said they don't favor setting timetables for
withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq but they are trying to get Bush's
attention and convince him that it's time to develop an exit strategy.
Mike Hunter - 28 Jun 2007 16:22 GMT
The sky is falling, the sky is falling!   The RINOs are jumping ship   LOL

mike

>>> >> >> Giuliani takes on the person he will face in the 2008 Presidential
>>> >> >> race
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> withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq but they are trying to get Bush's
> attention and convince him that it's time to develop an exit strategy.
sharx35 - 28 Jun 2007 01:10 GMT
>>> Giuliani takes on the person he will face in the 2008 Presidential race
>>
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>
> Luser.

Gary and his treasonous pile of LIEbrawl traitors are the real losers. They
should all be charged, convicted and dealt with at dawn. Hopefully, that day
will soon come.

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mack - 27 Jun 2007 23:42 GMT
>> Giuliani takes on the person he will face in the 2008 Presidential race
>
> If nothing better comes along I'll vote for him.
>
> Damn sure not voting for any democrat.

Now THERE'S a shock.
Mike Hunter - 28 Jun 2007 16:27 GMT
Giuliani is the only Republican who can pull enough Dim and independent
votes to beat Billary

mike

>>> Giuliani takes on the person he will face in the 2008 Presidential race
>>
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>
> Now THERE'S a shock.
 
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