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...I now think Edward *did* tell his wife to call: http://tinyurl.com/332e3h Having said that, I *still* think Coulter's a coldhearted shrew. Natalie, so done with this topic...  SignatureThis is Toyota country; so quiet you can hear the GMs rust. > ...I now think Edward did tell his wife to call: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Natalie, so done with this topic... It's good to see you are figuring out how these people think. Every decision they make is based in power or money. > ...I now think Edward *did* tell his wife to call: > http://tinyurl.com/332e3h > > Having said that, I *still* think Coulter's a coldhearted shrew. > > Natalie, so done with this topic... I don't see how that conclusion follows from this article. What makes you thnk so? > This is Toyota country; so quiet you can hear the GMs rust. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com "dh" ... > "Wickeddoll®" ... >> ...I now think Edward *did* tell his wife to call: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I don't see how that conclusion follows from this article. What makes you > thnk so? I didn't expect any responses to this, but here goes: Because he wasted no time doing exactly what Coulter accused him of, regarding his son. This makes him look really bad. Natalie > "dh" ... >> "Wickeddoll®" ... [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Natalie I'm still not following you. There's no fresh reference to Edwards talking about his son, although I do agree that he's capitalizing on Coulter's attack. I'm not sure I'd hold that against him. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com "dh" ... > "Wickeddoll®" ... >>>> ...I now think Edward *did* tell his wife to call: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > talking about his son, although I do agree that he's capitalizing on > Coulter's attack. I'm not sure I'd hold that against him. I wasn't talking about the son. I'm talking about the opportunistic way he jumped on this latest spar with Coulter. It lends credibility to her accusations about his son. And I *do* hold it against him; using his dying wife this way is despicable. But that's politics. Natalie > "dh" ... >> "Wickeddoll®" ... [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > he jumped on this latest spar with Coulter. It lends credibility to her > accusations about his son. OK, maybe, although I'm not persuaded. We are the sum of our experiences and losing a child is an experience I've not had the misfortune to have. I can't say how this affects one's thinking or if the event would ever be far from my thoughts. > And I *do* hold it against him; using his dying wife this way is > despicable. But that's politics. > > Natalie Or, Elizabeth Edwards is determined that the last thing she does in this life is to help her husband make a difference - either through focus on certain issues or by being elected President. A lot depends on where you think the "I" and the "we" divide in a marriage and that's unique to each individual marriage. Al and Tipper Gore, for example, strike me as being unusually close. Could be the Edwards are like that, too. Some view Bill and Hillary Clinton as something more like a "strategic alliance." I couldn't say for sure if that's the case or not but it's a different way of thinking about marriage. I work with people who are in arranged marriages, so I might have a different perspective or a perspective that's unduly biased. One thing's for sure, though. If Coulter hadn't shot off her mouth, we wouldn't be discussing this at all. And if the conversation swings back to whether or not Coulter is really into invective, then there's plenty of other grist for that mill. A book about the phenomenom of right-wing invective has been published in the last few years. It's called "Take Them at Their Words," if I recall correctly. Coulter gets a lot of ink in that book and it's probably a couple of years old by now and I'm sure a second edition would have plenty more slimy Coulter-quotes. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com "DH" ... > "Wickeddoll®" ... >>>>>> ...I now think Edward *did* tell his wife to call: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > I can't say how this affects one's thinking or if the event would ever be > far from my thoughts. Me neither, thank God, but I'm reasonably sure using them as a campaign issue is wrong. >> And I *do* hold it against him; using his dying wife this way is >> despicable. But that's politics. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > couldn't say for sure if that's the case or not but it's a different way > of thinking about marriage. Sorry, but they should both know that anything to do with public appearances (even just a phone call on a TV show), will affect the campaign. I find it hard to believe that after all these years in politics, Mrs. Edwards isn't aware that her every public move will make headlines. I think it's entirely possible that she did this on her own, but even if she did, his immediately using it for campaign publicity is odious at best. There is a very liberal lady on one of my other favorite forums who liked Edwards until this last stunt. She says she lost all respect, because he proved Coulter was right about his opportunism. > I work with people who are in arranged marriages, so I might have a > different perspective or a perspective that's unduly biased. *shrug* > One thing's for sure, though. If Coulter hadn't shot off her mouth, we > wouldn't be discussing this at all. And if the conversation swings back > to whether or not Coulter is really into invective, then there's plenty of > other grist for that mill. Amen! > A book about the phenomenom of right-wing invective has been published in > the last few years. It's called "Take Them at Their Words," if I recall > correctly. Coulter gets a lot of ink in that book and it's probably a > couple of years old by now and I'm sure a second edition would have plenty > more slimy Coulter-quotes. Please; I already have stomach problems. Natalie I wasn't going to weigh in on this, Ann Coulter surely doesn't need me to defend her, but apparently the Edwards Campaign needs me to explain what she said. <qoute from the link that Natalie posted> In answering criticism of her March speech, Coulter referred to comedian Bill Maher's suggestion, also in March, that "people wouldn't be dying needlessly" if Vice President Dick Cheney had been killed when terrorists launched an attack as he visited Afghanistan. She contends that Maher - whose comment about Cheney drew little attention - was not joking. "So I've learned my lesson," she said on the ABC program. "If I'm going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot." </quote> Ann made a rhetorical remark about Edwards buying the farm, she did not actually suggest that the world would be a better place. Bill Maher made a direct comment about killing the Vice President that nobody gave a rat's a.s about, so Ann made a comment in passing that she should have suggested that Edwards meet his fate at the hands of terrorism instead of some other thing, that way nobody would give a rat's a.s what she said. Now, everybody is making a big deal about the rhetorical comment that Ann made, but still nary a word about Bill Maher. And you guys are doing it too. Ann Coulter was being grilled on her comment that John Edwards was a "faggot" and she took lots of heat for that at the time.(She said that in March 2007.) Bill Maher suggested that Cheney should be killed by terrorists, also in March 2007. Ann asked (rhetorically) if she should also wish for Edwards to be killed by terrorists as opposed to her asserting he is gay. Had she wished for the terrorists to get him, maybe Edwards would not have gotten the mileage he got from the gay comment. Now we see that the liberal media is going to home in on anything Ann Coulter says and give liberal commentators a bye on their attacks on the Adiminstration. Sometimes it is important to consider the agenda of the reporter, or his employer ... > ...I now think Edward *did* tell his wife to call: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Natalie, so done with this topic... > I wasn't going to weigh in on this, Ann Coulter surely doesn't need me > to defend her, but apparently the Edwards Campaign needs me to explain [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > the Adiminstration. Sometimes it is important to consider the agenda of > the reporter, or his employer ... Nicely said. >I wasn't going to weigh in on this, Ann Coulter surely doesn't need me to >defend her, but apparently the Edwards Campaign needs me to explain what [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Adiminstration. Sometimes it is important to consider the agenda of the > reporter, or his employer ... Context is everything, but unfortunately, I never heard any of that stuff Maher said. If I had, I would be outraged. I still don't think *anything* excuses what *either* of these individuals have said on occasion. The old "Two wrongs don't make a right" thing. Coulter would have been way more credible if she'd simply quoted Maher, and then said something like, "I guess it's okay to threaten the lives of politcal figures." Where she crossed the line was just saying it out of context. HTF was I supposed to know what she was referring to? It just looked like a random attack to me. But don't misunderstand me - I'm just as disgusted with Maher. Natalie >> ...I now think Edward *did* tell his wife to call: >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> Natalie, so done with this topic... >>I wasn't going to weigh in on this, Ann Coulter surely doesn't need me to >>defend her, but apparently the Edwards Campaign needs me to explain what [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Natalie I just saw a clip of the controversy, and it isn't a controversy. The Edwards Camp is making it a campaign fund raiser issue, but Ann coulter did not call for the demise of John Edwards -- as the fund raiser is suggesting -- she merely stated that if it is okay that Bill Maher call for an assasination and the media ignores it, then she should be able to suggest an assasination and be ignored too. Edwards made millions off of the "faggot" statement, and millions more off of this one. It seems to me that John Edwards needs Ann Coulter to keep talking about him ... This is the perverbial mountain-out-of-a-mole-hill. There are lots of reasons to not like Ann Coulter, or Bill Maher, but as far as I can tell this isn't among them. "Jeff Strickland" ... > "Wickeddoll®" ... ... >>>I wasn't going to weigh in on this, Ann Coulter surely doesn't need me to >>>defend her, but apparently the Edwards Campaign needs me to explain what [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > There are lots of reasons to not like Ann Coulter, or Bill Maher, but as > far as I can tell this isn't among them. http://cagle.com/working/070627/streeter.jpg *snerk* Natalie > http://cagle.com/working/070627/streeter.jpg > > *snerk* > > Natalie That was cute. > "Jeff Strickland" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > > Natalie Funny--- close to home as well, imo. Edwards makes $$$ in contributions from Coulter remarks, Coulter makes Book $$$ from (Edwards) controversy(ies). Symbiotic relationship??? They both seem to benefit from the flap. "tak" ... > "Wickeddoll®"... *snip* >> http://cagle.com/working/070627/streeter.jpg >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > controversy(ies). Symbiotic relationship??? They both seem to benefit from > the flap. Yeah, this whole thing reminds me of an episode of "Night Court" (best situation comedy show *ever*) where this fire-and-brimstone preacher kept causing a ruckus over an Andrew Dice Clay-type "comedian." Turned out they were in cahoots with each other, in a mutual profit thing for the preacher's ministry, and the "comedian's" fan base support. So, the cynic in me says this may the case with Coulter and Edwards. Natalie > "tak" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> controversy(ies). Symbiotic relationship??? They both seem to benefit >> from the flap. Yep, looking that way. > Yeah, this whole thing reminds me of an episode of "Night Court" (best > situation comedy show *ever*) Hmmmm... along with "Taxi". Too close to call? Both great shows, IMO. Cathy where this fire-and-brimstone preacher kept > causing a ruckus over an Andrew Dice Clay-type "comedian." Turned out > they were in cahoots with each other, in a mutual profit thing for the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Natalie >> "tak" ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Cathy Come on now, you girls are not old enough to remember those shows. >>> "tak" ... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> >> Cathy > Come on now, you girls are not old enough to remember those shows. Ha! Flattery will get you... well, nowhere, actually. ;-) Because that one was just too transparent, to count. ;-P Natalie is several years younger than I am, though. Cathy "Jeff Strickland"... > "Cathy F." ... >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Come on now, you girls are not old enough to remember those shows. Smooooooth Natalie |
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