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witfal - 31 Jul 2007 02:48 GMT
a la Clinton, Cunningham, Feinstein, Pelosi, and company:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6600AP_WST_Stevens_Investigation.html?source=mypi
dh - 31 Jul 2007 03:35 GMT
>a la Clinton, Cunningham, Feinstein, Pelosi, and company:
>
> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6600AP_WST_Stevens_Investigation.html?source=mypi

What are you implying?  He's not a Democrat, if that's what you're thinking.

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witfal - 01 Aug 2007 19:27 GMT
>> a la Clinton, Cunningham, Feinstein, Pelosi, and company:
>>
>> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6600AP_WST_Stevens_Investigation.html?source=mypi

What

> are you implying?  He's not a Democrat, if that's what you're thinking.

Nope.  He's a Republican.  I don't take sides when it comes to corruption.

Cunningham deserved his fate.  So did Rostenkowski.  So do Pelosi, Feinstein,
Reid, and countless others on both sides of the aisle.

In case you missed my recent post, only 7 representatives have no
requested earmarks.

Seven out of hundreds.  Pathetic.
DH - 01 Aug 2007 21:58 GMT
>>> a la Clinton, Cunningham, Feinstein, Pelosi, and company:
>>>
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>
> Seven out of hundreds.  Pathetic.

Pelosi, Feinstein and Reid - so far - aren't under investigation for any
actual corruption.

Duke and Rostenkowski - sure, take 'em down.

However, your assortment of characters appears a bit lopsided.

In any event, some ear-marking is probably not a bad thing and a natural
part of politicking.  I wouldn't say it was yet under control but I'd also
expect a Congresscritter from State A to have a better understanding of what
State A needs than the Congresscritters from State B - and to work for it.

The problem with ear-marking in the recent past (and, perhaps this has not
been dealt with definitively, as Pelosi promised to do), is that the process
has been entirely secret and prone to further corrupting influences.   Bills
mysteriously get altered when nobody's looking.  Nobody knows who's
responsible.  Then the leadership rams the vote through and these ear-marks
were not scrutinized as part of the process.  That's just wrong.

The Alaska Congressional delegation appears to be doling out millions in
exchange for campaign contributions.  That's just wrong, too.

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witfal - 02 Aug 2007 01:45 GMT
>> Nope.  He's a Republican.  I don't take sides when it comes to corruption.
>>
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>
> However, your assortment of characters appears a bit lopsided.

Not at all.  Maybe those cited, but I don't care what party they're in.
Corruption is corruption.  And those three have enough stink on
them to warrant investigations.  Have a look at Pelosi's son, and
how he got a cush job at $180,000 per year, and doesn't have to
quit his current full-time job as a mortgage consultant.

Nice gig.

Check Feinstein's husband's company.  Look at how it got a
half-mil contract from her committee.

Reid's land deals are almost legendary.

> The Alaska Congressional delegation appears to be doling out millions in
> exchange for campaign contributions.  That's just wrong, too.

Very true.  Just as true for W. Virginia.  The Byrd Bridge, Highway,
Radio Telescope,
etc.
dh - 02 Aug 2007 04:21 GMT
>>> Nope.  He's a Republican.  I don't take sides when it comes to
>>> corruption.
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> Telescope,
> etc.

Gosh, if Pelosi, Feinstein and Reid are all that dirty, where's the US
Attorney General on this?  Is he too busy lying to Congress to prosecute
criminals?

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witfal - 02 Aug 2007 04:26 GMT
> Gosh, if Pelosi, Feinstein and Reid are all that dirty, where's the US
> Attorney General on this?  Is he too busy lying to Congress to prosecute
> criminals?

Can you say "non sequitur"?
dh - 02 Aug 2007 04:39 GMT
>> Gosh, if Pelosi, Feinstein and Reid are all that dirty, where's the US
>> Attorney General on this?  Is he too busy lying to Congress to prosecute
>> criminals?
>
> Can you say "non sequitur"?

I can but it doesn't apply.

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witfal - 02 Aug 2007 04:50 GMT
>>> Gosh, if Pelosi, Feinstein and Reid are all that dirty, where's the US
>>> Attorney General on this?  Is he too busy lying to Congress to prosecute
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> I can but it doesn't apply.

Congressional corruption, versus someone ALLEGEDLY lying.

Hmmm.  Okay.
JoeSpareBedroom - 02 Aug 2007 12:49 GMT
>>>> Gosh, if Pelosi, Feinstein and Reid are all that dirty, where's the US
>>>> Attorney General on this?  Is he too busy lying to Congress to
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Hmmm.  Okay.

The point is that Gonzales could use all the points he can get at the
moment. Why not go after people like Pelosi, if she's really so dirty?
witfal - 02 Aug 2007 15:55 GMT
>>>> Can you say "non sequitur"?
>>>
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> The point is that Gonzales could use all the points he can get at the
> moment. Why not go after people like Pelosi, if she's really so dirty?

Good idea.  I'm sure when he does that, NO ONE will accuse him of
trying to deflect attention from his own problems, or being vengeful.

Right.
JoeSpareBedroom - 02 Aug 2007 15:58 GMT
>>>>> Can you say "non sequitur"?
>>>>
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>
> Right.

They should first get her before a grand jury and ask if she's ever eaten
sarmalute cu mamaliga. Whether she says yes or no, she'd be lying, because
she probably has no idea what it is. At that point, they've got her for
perjury.

We've seen this before.
witfal - 02 Aug 2007 16:07 GMT
>>> The point is that Gonzales could use all the points he can get at the
>>> moment. Why not go after people like Pelosi, if she's really so dirty?
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> We've seen this before.

Of course she wouldn't know.  Her husband's Italian, not Romanian.

And it's a version of, "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

Lawyers.  Congressmen.  One and the same.
Mike Hunter - 02 Aug 2007 16:48 GMT
Who do these Congressmen think they are, Senators?    ;)

mike

>>>> The point is that Gonzales could use all the points he can get at the
>>>> moment. Why not go after people like Pelosi, if she's really so dirty?
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Lawyers.  Congressmen.  One and the same.
Mike Hunter - 02 Aug 2007 16:52 GMT
All this nonsense over something that was perfectly legal, firing US
Attorneys, just to keep all of the Dims lefty kook base in line  LOL

mike

>>>>> Can you say "non sequitur"?
>>>>
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>
> Right.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 02 Aug 2007 03:00 GMT
>> Seven out of hundreds.  Pathetic.
>
> Pelosi, Feinstein and Reid - so far - aren't under investigation for any
> actual corruption.

But should be subjected to Competency tests...
n5hsr - 31 Jul 2007 12:38 GMT
>a la Clinton, Cunningham, Feinstein, Pelosi, and company:
>
> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6600AP_WST_Stevens_Investigation.html?source=mypi

Yep, but if they investigated Clinton, Cunningham, Whinestein, Pussilosi
etc, they'd find just as much, but the media is giving them a free pass.

Charles of Schaumburg
witfal - 31 Jul 2007 15:40 GMT
>> a la Clinton, Cunningham, Feinstein, Pelosi, and company:
>>
>> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6600AP_WST_Stevens_Investigation.html?source=mypi

Yep,

> but if they investigated Clinton, Cunningham, Whinestein, Pussilosi
> etc, they'd find just as much, but the media is giving them a free pass.
>
> Charles of Schaumburg

That goes without saying.

Pelosi's son, for example.  Anyone who really cares can have a look
at his latest job, and how he got it.  Funny stuff.
JoeSpareBedroom - 31 Jul 2007 14:39 GMT
>a la Clinton, Cunningham, Feinstein, Pelosi, and company:
>
> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6600AP_WST_Stevens_Investigation.html?source=mypi

This is a good thing. Matter of fact, I think we should permit the NSA to
legally monitor one special group of U.S. citizens: Politicians. Every phone
call, e-mail, text message. Everything they purchase, bigger than a pack of
gum, should be reported. New car for the kid? Where's the money come from?
I've heard that when you join the military, you lose certain rights afforded
to civilians. Politicians should understand that they have no privacy while
in office. Who pays for their meals? Their golf games? Their travel?
edspyhill01@yahoo.com - 31 Jul 2007 15:29 GMT
> >a la Clinton, Cunningham, Feinstein, Pelosi, and company:
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> to civilians. Politicians should understand that they have no privacy while
> in office. Who pays for their meals? Their golf games? Their travel?

The FBI made a visit to Alaska's Ted "Bridge to Nowhere" Stevens
today.

"Federal investigators and grand juries in Anchorage and Washington,
D.C., have been seeking information about a remodeling project at
Stevens' Girdwood home in 2000. The project, which more than doubled
the size of the dwelling, was overseen by Veco CEO Bill Allen, who two
months ago pleaded guilty to bribing state lawmakers and agreed to
cooperate with authorities. Veco vice president Richard Smith pleaded
guilty to similar charges."

http://www.adn.com/news/politics/fbi/story/9179115p-9095789c.html
JoeSpareBedroom - 31 Jul 2007 15:37 GMT
>> >a la Clinton, Cunningham, Feinstein, Pelosi, and company:
>>
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>
> http://www.adn.com/news/politics/fbi/story/9179115p-9095789c.html

I know - that's the info posted in the thread's first message. Why did you
post it? It's what we're already talking about.
dbu., - 31 Jul 2007 17:15 GMT
> > >a la Clinton, Cunningham, Feinstein, Pelosi, and company:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> http://www.adn.com/news/politics/fbi/story/9179115p-9095789c.html

So what did shummer and the democrat lynching mob find him guilty of?

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JoeSpareBedroom - 31 Jul 2007 17:19 GMT
>> > >a la Clinton, Cunningham, Feinstein, Pelosi, and company:
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> So what did shummer and the democrat lynching mob find him guilty of?

There are two major players in the story. Which "him" are you referring to?
Use a name to describe who you're talking about.
witfal - 31 Jul 2007 15:41 GMT
>> a la Clinton, Cunningham, Feinstein, Pelosi, and company:
>>
>> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6600AP_WST_Stevens_Investigation.html?source=mypi

This

> is a good thing. Matter of fact, I think we should permit the NSA to
> legally monitor one special group of U.S. citizens: Politicians. Every phone
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> to civilians. Politicians should understand that they have no privacy while
> in office. Who pays for their meals? Their golf games? Their travel?

Total transparency should be required if you're in office.
 
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