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Find Scion XD crash ratings?

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gplantam@gmail.com - 13 Aug 2007 16:12 GMT
I saw the Scion XD on the lot, but the sticker doesn't have crash
ratings on it. I can't find crash ratings for it online either. Why
aren't crash ratings available?
C. E. White - 13 Aug 2007 16:41 GMT
>I saw the Scion XD on the lot, but the sticker doesn't have crash
> ratings on it. I can't find crash ratings for it online either. Why
> aren't crash ratings available?

It has not been tested yet (see
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ncap/cars/4768.html ).

Ed
gplantam@gmail.com - 14 Aug 2007 15:07 GMT
On Aug 13, 11:41 am, "C. E. White" <cewhi...@removemindspring.com>
wrote:

> It has not been tested yet (seehttp://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ncap/cars/4768.html).
>
> Ed

I'm surprised that they put those things out on the road without a
standard safety test!
C. E. White - 14 Aug 2007 15:11 GMT
> On Aug 13, 11:41 am, "C. E. White" <cewhi...@removemindspring.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> I'm surprised that they put those things out on the road without a
> standard safety test!

I am sure Toyota has conducted the necessary tests. Given Toyota's
recent record of improving the safety of all of their vehicles, I
would expect the XD to get an excellent rating in all crash tests. I
think the only new vehicle Toyota has introduced recently that wasn't
at the top of the safety list was the new Tundra. The new Camry, RAV4,
4Runner, etc., have all gotten excellent safety ratings.

Ed
gplantam@gmail.com - 15 Aug 2007 14:10 GMT
> > I'm surprised that they put those things out on the road without a
> > standard safety test!
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Ed

If Toyota tested it by industry standards, why aren't the test results
published?
Ray O - 16 Aug 2007 05:43 GMT
>> > I'm surprised that they put those things out on the road without a
>> > standard safety test!
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> If Toyota tested it by industry standards, why aren't the test results
> published?

I am not aware of any automaker that publishes their own internal crash
results, and I would imagine that most consumers are more likely to believe
a third party's crash test than the automakers' in-house test.
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gplantam@gmail.com - 16 Aug 2007 13:26 GMT
> I am not aware of any automaker that publishes their own internal crash
> results, and I would imagine that most consumers are more likely to believe
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)- Hide quoted text -

So what gives the public, or the government for that matter, assurance
that the manufacturer's internal tests are up to standards? The
government doesn't require it's own standard testing before new cars
go on the road?
C. E. White - 16 Aug 2007 14:06 GMT
>> I am not aware of any automaker that publishes their own internal
>> crash
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> government doesn't require it's own standard testing before new cars
> go on the road?

At least in the US, cars are required to meet certain Federal
standards. The manufacturer must certify that the cars meet these
standards before they are sold. The government reviews the tests and
insures they are correct. After vehicles are in production, the
government conducts additional testing to verify that the vehicle
actually meet the standards and to generate the "star" ratings that
you see publicized. These tests are conducted on vehicles already in
production. Clearly these test cannot be conducted until the vehicles
are being produced. And it should also be clear that the government
(NHTSA) does not have infinite resources to conduct these tests. The
tests are schedules and conducted as resources allow. Third parties,
primarily the IIHS, also conduct crash tests. Just like the Government
these entities don't have infinite resources. I am sure both NHTSA and
the IIHS will get around to test the xD shortly. If the results of
these tests are crucial to your buying decision, you should either
wait until the tests are conducted, or buy a different vehicle.

Personally I am confident that the xD will be a relatively safe
vehicle. Toyota has clearly made scoring well in these test an
important goal. Except for the new Tundra, most truly new Toyota
vehicles (as opposed to minor revisions) have gotten top marks. I
would not worry that the xD will be unsafe.

On the other hand, if you compare crash test results to the IIHS
injury loss ratings, there appears to be a very weak correlation. Some
vehicles who do poorly in the crash tests, have very good injury loss
ratings. Other vehicles that score well in crash tests don't have
particularly good injury loss ratings. You should also remember that
the tests are very specific and conducted under very controlled
conditions. This allows manufacturers to fine tune designs to score
well in the tests, while possibly missing the overall goal. I own an
interesting example of "fine tuning." I have a 2007 Ford Fusion. There
is a strange bump in the floor pan under the accelerator. This bump
requires that you use different floor mats than a 2006 Fusion. I was
curious to discover why they added this bump. It turns out that the
bump was added because it restricts the movement of a crash dummies
left leg in a front end collision. This small improvement improved the
frontal crash rating of a 2007 Fusion (versus a 2006). Nothing else
was changed. I doubt that this small change will have any significance
in most actual collisions.

Ed
 
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