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Peppino - 27 Aug 2007 16:35 GMT
hello
is it safe increasing the power up to 90 hp with tuning new chip?
what problems could come to the engine?
thanks
mrsteveo - 27 Aug 2007 20:16 GMT
> hello
> is it safe increasing the power up to 90 hp with tuning new chip?
> what problems could come to the engine?
> thanks

I really doubt a 'chip' alone is going to get you an additional 90
hp.  Since these chips don't do any writing to the ECU, it likely
cannot do damage in that regard but since it is tweaking things
between the ECU and the engine, it's very likely it could do a lot of
things outside parameters and you could even do some damage.

You're also likely voiding any warranties you may have as well.
Ray O - 28 Aug 2007 02:59 GMT
>> hello
>> is it safe increasing the power up to 90 hp with tuning new chip?
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>
> You're also likely voiding any warranties you may have as well.

Um, I think the OP is looking for a total of 90 Hp, not 90 additional Hp.
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mack - 28 Aug 2007 04:11 GMT
>>> hello
>>> is it safe increasing the power up to 90 hp with tuning new chip?
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Um, I think the OP is looking for a total of 90 Hp, not 90 additional Hp.

Why in the hell do people buy new automobiles and then spend the next year
or two trying to make them into something they were not intended to be, and
bitching about it in the meantime?    If the poster wanted a car with 90 hp,
but bought a Yaris with less hp, he has only himself to blame.  It's like a
tall person buying a mini car and THEN figuring out that he hits his head on
the headliner and can't get the seat to go rearward sufficiently?   Did he
buy the car ON LINE, for cripes' sake?   Didn't he check it out pretty
thoroughly before his name went on the dotted line?   I see these gripes
constantly on this newsgroup and others.....and don't understand why these
folks seem to buy cars with all the forethought they'd put into buying a
candy bar or a movie ticket.
But then, some guys decide to marry the girl after a one night stand and
when they're still hung over..........
Ray O - 28 Aug 2007 04:20 GMT
>>>> hello
>>>> is it safe increasing the power up to 90 hp with tuning new chip?
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> understand why these folks seem to buy cars with all the forethought
> they'd put into buying a candy bar or a movie ticket.

I've often wondered about that same question and don't know the answer.

> But then, some guys decide to marry the girl after a one night stand and
> when they're still hung over..........
I guess the advice on the t-shirt that reads "Drink till she's cute" is not
as useful as the shirt that reads "At 10 she was a 2 and at 2 she was a 10."
Ray O
mack - 28 Aug 2007 18:55 GMT
> I guess the advice on the t-shirt that reads "Drink till she's cute" is
> not as useful as the shirt that reads "At 10 she was a 2 and at 2 she was
> a 10."
> Ray O

I love 'em!   Thanks for the laughs, Ray!
GoMavs - 28 Aug 2007 04:30 GMT
> Why in the hell do people buy new automobiles and then spend the next year
> or two trying to make them into something they were not intended to be,
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> But then, some guys decide to marry the girl after a one night stand and
> when they're still hung over..........

I had the head problems in the Yaris and got it fixed. And? I bouhght it
because of 36 mpg and the cost.

You dont like people trying to make their car better? Go f.ck yourself then.
mack - 28 Aug 2007 18:54 GMT
>> Why in the hell do people buy new automobiles and then spend the next
>> year or two trying to make them into something they were not intended to
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> You dont like people trying to make their car better? Go f.ck yourself
> then.
I don't think it's very prudent of people to purchase the wrong automobile
in the first place.   Like you evidently, freddy fukkup
Ray O - 28 Aug 2007 03:01 GMT
> hello
> is it safe increasing the power up to 90 hp with tuning new chip?
> what problems could come to the engine?
> thanks

Changing chips requires disassembling the engine control computer, so you
would not have any warranty coverage on a pretty expensive component.

As far as problems with the engine, it depends on how the chip gains the
additional Hp.  Diesels are pretty robust, but you may have trouble passing
periodic emissions inspections
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Peppino - 28 Aug 2007 10:58 GMT
I found an "add-on" which sends "wrong" pressure signals to the engine
computer and obtains more fuel. 90hp is the whole power after it.

>> hello
>> is it safe increasing the power up to 90 hp with tuning new chip?
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> additional Hp.  Diesels are pretty robust, but you may have trouble
> passing periodic emissions inspections
Bruce L. Bergman - 28 Aug 2007 21:52 GMT
>"Ray O" scritto...
>> "Peppino" <aaa@bbbb.org> wrote...

>>> is it safe increasing the power up to 90 hp with tuning new chip?
>>> what problems could come to the engine?

 Oh nothing much, just breaking the bottom end of the engine - hole a
piston, break a rod...  Which is why you have to do anything like that
carefully and in a controlled manner.

>> Changing chips requires disassembling the engine control computer, so you
>> would not have any warranty coverage on a pretty expensive component.

 With due care to create a proper anti-static workstation (static
bench mat, wrist straps, grounded soldering iron and other ESD
precautions), and the right chip extractor and other tools, it isn't
that much of a hazard.  Anyone who works on Personal Computers at the
component level already has the right gear available.

 The car ECU computers are ruggedized from outside static damage, but
when you open the case you just bypassed all the MOV static protection
at the ports, so beware.  Any mistake can easily cost over $1,000 USD
to fix, could top $2,500   Replacement ECU's are not cheap - partly
because they so rarely go bad the prices stay high.  (I'd convert to
Lire or Euro, but I don't want to hear Peppino sobbing...)

>> As far as problems with the engine, it depends on how the chip gains the
>> additional Hp.  Diesels are pretty robust, but you may have trouble
>> passing periodic emissions inspections
>
>I found an "add-on" which sends "wrong" pressure signals to the engine
>computer and obtains more fuel. 90hp is the whole power after it.

 How much is the stock engine output?  If you start at 70 HP, 90 HP
at full throttle is a reasonable boost to expect.  But if the baseline
is 50 HP, they may be asking too much of the engine.

 Watch for visible smoke from the tailpipe at wide open throttle, on
a diesel that is a sure sign of incomplete combustion.  Too much fuel
for the engine speed and load, or not enough fresh air - a restricted
air filter or air intake or exhaust system.

 Whatever you do (ECU computer memory chip or add on signal
converter) get it in writing that the company putting out this
modification takes responsibility as a supplement to the factory
warranty in case the engine has problems, at least for the first six
months to a year.  If you don't have problems by then, you probably
never will.

 That's how we weed out the bad 'fly by night' companies from the
responsible ones - the good ones always stand behind their products.
The bad ones stand off to one side, and always have a ten-foot head
start if they need to run.  ;-)

    --<< Bruce >>--
EdV - 28 Aug 2007 22:29 GMT
Is it a new chip or just a software downloaded via ODB?
Peppino - 29 Aug 2007 07:12 GMT
I mean this
http://www.ricambituning.it/en/product1.asp?id=211&cat=25&mn=TOYOTA&sr=Yaris&md=954

> Is it a new chip or just a software downloaded via ODB?
Ray O - 29 Aug 2007 07:55 GMT
>I mean this
> http://www.ricambituning.it/en/product1.asp?id=211&cat=25&mn=TOYOTA&sr=Yaris&md=954
>
>> Is it a new chip or just a software downloaded via ODB?

The device may or may not work.  Does the 18 month warranty include getting
your money back if you are not satisfied?
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Peppino - 29 Aug 2007 08:40 GMT
I think it doesn't include money back. and they do not cover damages caused
by the device.

>>I mean this
>> http://www.ricambituning.it/en/product1.asp?id=211&cat=25&mn=TOYOTA&sr=Yaris&md=954
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> The device may or may not work.  Does the 18 month warranty include
> getting your money back if you are not satisfied?
Ray O - 30 Aug 2007 02:26 GMT
>I think it doesn't include money back. and they do not cover damages caused
>by the device.

Hmm, those would be two big negative flags to me.
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Peppino - 30 Aug 2007 06:25 GMT
yes actually.
they say they are only resellers and they do not produce the add on

>>I think it doesn't include money back. and they do not cover damages
>>caused by the device.
>
> Hmm, those would be two big negative flags to me.
Peppino - 29 Aug 2007 07:13 GMT
I mean this
http://www.ricambituning.it/en/product1.asp?id=211&cat=25&mn=TOYOTA&sr=Yaris&md=954

>>"Ray O" scritto...
>>> "Peppino" <aaa@bbbb.org> wrote...
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>
>     --<< Bruce >>--
Ray O - 29 Aug 2007 05:51 GMT
>I found an "add-on" which sends "wrong" pressure signals to the engine
>computer and obtains more fuel. 90hp is the whole power after it.

Bruce's advice is right on the mark (as usual).
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>
>>> hello
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>> additional Hp.  Diesels are pretty robust, but you may have trouble
>> passing periodic emissions inspections
 
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