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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Cars / September 2007Bush - not as smart as my four year old.
When my daughter was 3 and would want to stay up late, I'd tell her "ok, but don't go to sleep. Stay awake!" She'd be asleep in minutes. When my daughter was 3 and my wife would put brocolli on her plate it'd sit there until I said "Don't you think of eating that!" She'd pick it up with a big grin and eat it. By the time she was 4, neither of those tactics worked. Now Bin Ladin challenges bush in the same way and he bites just as expected. You'd better get out of iraq, Bush! "No, Bin, I won't cuz I know you want me to!"  Signaturegburnore at DataBasix dot Com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- How you look depends on where you go. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. 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Iraq has been rope a dope from day one. >> When my daughter was 3 and would want to stay up late, I'd tell her >> "ok, but don't go to sleep. Stay awake!" She'd be asleep in minutes. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Iraq has been rope a dope from day one. Only to terrorist lovers and barbarian appeasers like you. >>> When my daughter was 3 and would want to stay up late, I'd tell her >>> "ok, but don't go to sleep. Stay awake!" She'd be asleep in minutes. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Only to terrorist lovers and barbarian appeasers like you. Speakin of dopes. Watch any child porn today Dave? > > Iraq has been rope a dope from day one. > > Only to terrorist lovers and barbarian appeasers like you. Don't underestimate rope-a-dope as a tactic to defeat a more powerful invader. It worked for the Communist Vietnamese, and in the 18th century it worked for George Washington against the British. What do you favor, full frontal attacks? > > > Iraq has been rope a dope from day one. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > century it worked for George Washington against the British. What do > you favor, full frontal attacks? Battle history is full of frontal attacks. Perhaps the U.S. should stop following rules and fight like the terrorists, but that would get the likes of you whining not fair, not fair. People like you are worthless. -- >>>> Iraq has been rope a dope from day one. >>> Only to terrorist lovers and barbarian appeasers like you. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > following rules and fight like the terrorists, but that would get the > likes of you whining not fair, not fair. People like you are worthless. Here comes da judge, here comes da judge. "People like you," LMAO, another Brownshirt tough guy philosopher. > >>>> Iraq has been rope a dope from day one. > >>> Only to terrorist lovers and barbarian appeasers like you. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Here comes da judge, here comes da judge. "People like you," LMAO, > another Brownshirt tough guy philosopher. We are fighting those who don't play by rules, I know, you don't like rules as you are a liberal, but rules of engagement are what most civilized nations play by except for rogue terrorists. If we were to play their game the lefties in this nation would howl and cry foul. The news media and civil liberties club would of course stand up for them. -- >> >>>> Iraq has been rope a dope from day one. >> >>> Only to terrorist lovers and barbarian appeasers like you. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > play their game the lefties in this nation would howl and cry foul. The > news media and civil liberties club would of course stand up for them. Tactically, we can clean up most of the terrorists around the world by throwing away the rule book. Of course, strategically, every country in the world would be our enemy. Would you put that one in the "win" column? Now, Congress does not write the RoE. And, for the most part, they don't micro-manage the military; certainly they had little to say about it until 2007. So why do you suppose the Presidunce didn't just write the RoE you think necessary to "win" the war? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>> Iraq has been rope a dope from day one. >> Only to terrorist lovers and barbarian appeasers like you. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > century it worked for George Washington against the British. What do > you favor, full frontal attacks? For Dave, a full frontal lobotomy would be best. ;) >> When my daughter was 3 and would want to stay up late, I'd tell her >> "ok, but don't go to sleep. Stay awake!" She'd be asleep in minutes. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Iraq has been rope a dope from day one. Now, there's an old, but useful description, courtesy of a pretty cool Muslim. :-) During the 2nd World War the British had their Home Guard organized into secret cells, each not knowing of the others' existence. They were set up to retreat and go into hiding in the event of a German invasion. If the Germans invaded and set up their supply lines, these secret cells were to use guerrilla war tactics to disrupt the supply chain, and make life hell for the Germans. Does this sound familiar? > Iraq has been rope a dope from day one. Do you think its a 'bad thing' that the President does not do what both the Dimocrats and Bin Ladin want him to do in Iraq. LOL mike >> When my daughter was 3 and would want to stay up late, I'd tell her >> "ok, but don't go to sleep. Stay awake!" She'd be asleep in minutes. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Iraq has been rope a dope from day one. >>> When my daughter was 3 and would want to stay up late, I'd tell her >>> "ok, but don't go to sleep. Stay awake!" She'd be asleep in minutes. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >> Iraq has been rope a dope from day one. > Do you think its a 'bad thing' that the President does not do what both > the Dimocrats and Bin Ladin want him to do in Iraq. LOL > > mike I'll make you a deal: You're old enough to remember who coined the phrase "rope a dope", and its meaning. Tell us its meaning, and I'll answer your question. As one would expect you once again answer a question with a question, so what's new? LOL mike >>>> When my daughter was 3 and would want to stay up late, I'd tell her >>>> "ok, but don't go to sleep. Stay awake!" She'd be asleep in minutes. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > "rope a dope", and its meaning. Tell us its meaning, and I'll answer your > question. >>>>> When my daughter was 3 and would want to stay up late, I'd tell her >>>>> "ok, but don't go to sleep. Stay awake!" She'd be asleep in minutes. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> "rope a dope", and its meaning. Tell us its meaning, and I'll answer your >> question. > As one would expect you once again answer a question with a question, so > what's new? LOL > > mike As one would expect, you are terrified of answering questions which you know would turn your argument into dust. Pussy. At least you did not ask another question, again LOL >>>>>> When my daughter was 3 and would want to stay up late, I'd tell her >>>>>> "ok, but don't go to sleep. Stay awake!" She'd be asleep in [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > As one would expect, you are terrified of answering questions which you > know would turn your argument into dust. Pussy. >>>>>>> When my daughter was 3 and would want to stay up late, I'd tell her >>>>>>> "ok, but don't go to sleep. Stay awake!" She'd be asleep in [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> As one would expect, you are terrified of answering questions which you >> know would turn your argument into dust. Pussy. > At least you did not ask another question, again LOL Have you always been such a coward, or is it a recent development? OOPS, back to asking questions again I see. No wonder you are just a joke of this NG LOL mike "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:luXFi.16099 >>>> As one would expect you once again answer a question with a question, >>>> so what's new? LOL [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Have you always been such a coward, or is it a recent development? > "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:luXFi.16099 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> Have you always been such a coward, or is it a recent development? > OOPS, back to asking questions again I see. No wonder you are just a joke > of this NG LOL > > mike Only among you and the other three or four who ROFL when you piss on your shoes. Another brilliant post from one of the NGs goofy lefty kooks. Good thing you are not influencing anybody but the other goofy lefty kooks in this NG LOL mike >> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:luXFi.16099 [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Only among you and the other three or four who ROFL when you piss on your > shoes. > OOPS, back to asking questions again I see. No wonder you are just a joke > of this NG LOL > > mike > > "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:luXFi.16099 This guy ("JoeSpareBedroom") has been rendered impotent, ineffective. -- > This guy ("JoeSpareBedroom") has been rendered impotent, ineffective. Who? Signature"Defeat is worse than death because you have to live with defeat." ~ Bill Musselman > > This guy ("JoeSpareBedroom") has been rendered impotent, ineffective. > > Who? LOL!! Yea.... -- >> > This guy ("JoeSpareBedroom") has been rendered impotent, ineffective. >> >> Who? > > LOL!! Yea.... LOL! That makes two of us, you and I. Let's get secret decoder rings. Idiot. Why did you sign your post with one of DIZZY's aliases? ;) mike >>> > This guy ("JoeSpareBedroom") has been rendered impotent, ineffective. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Idiot. I get the feeling you're one of those people who bartenders cut off because before you've even had a drink, you seem drunk. You walk around bothering people with stupid jokes. When nobody laughs, you repeat them 5 times, louder each time, until you're louder than the jukebox. Any time new people walk in, latch onto them with your stupidity, and the previous bunch is thankful to finally get rid of you. Finally, the bouncer asks you to leave just because you're a fool. > I get the feeling you're one of those people who bartenders cut off > because before you've even had a drink, you seem drunk. You walk [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > you. Finally, the bouncer asks you to leave just because you're a > fool. You seem to speaking from a recent experience. Signature"He can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any man I know." ~ Abraham Lincoln >> I get the feeling you're one of those people who bartenders cut off >> because before you've even had a drink, you seem drunk. You walk [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You seem to speaking from a recent experience. Every bar has one or two. Hunter is the type. Do you think the "LOL" he puts on every message is just a newsgroup habit? No. It's not. One can not help but to laugh at your ridiculous comments in this NG. You obviously do not go anywhere else where you can make the stupid comments you make here daily so others can laugh as well Do you add vodka to your kool-aid? LOL mike >>> I get the feeling you're one of those people who bartenders cut off >>> because before you've even had a drink, you seem drunk. You walk [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Every bar has one or two. Hunter is the type. Do you think the "LOL" he > puts on every message is just a newsgroup habit? No. It's not. > I get the feeling you're one of those people who bartenders cut off because > before you've even had a drink, you seem drunk. You walk around bothering [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > thankful to finally get rid of you. Finally, the bouncer asks you to leave > just because you're a fool. You've been smacked down so many times you are now punch-drunk, LOL. -- >> I get the feeling you're one of those people who bartenders cut off >> because [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You've been smacked down so many times you are now punch-drunk, LOL. LOL. You're drooling again, dbu. LOL You sound like a man who is speaking from personal experience. As for me I do not patronize bars. The fine restaurants that I patronize do not have jukeboxes LOL mike >I get the feeling you're one of those people who bartenders cut off because >before you've even had a drink, you seem drunk. You walk around bothering [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >thankful to finally get rid of you. Finally, the bouncer asks you to leave >just because you're a fool. > You sound like a man who is speaking from personal experience. As for me > I do not patronize bars. Not that you're aware of. Mike Hunter wrote to JoeSpareBedroom: > At least you did not ask another question, again LOL Try answering this question: How are we going to win in Iraq if GW Bush doesn't want to send in nearly enough troops needed for victory? Where have you been? Didn't you hear the report to Congress? He just did that and the General says we are winning over the people, throughout Iraq, there is no more fighting in most of Iraq and 30,000 troops can soon start coming home. LOL mike > Mike Hunter wrote to JoeSpareBedroom: > >> At least you did not ask another question, again LOL > > Try answering this question: How are we going to win in Iraq if GW > Bush doesn't want to send in nearly enough troops needed for victory? > > Try answering this question: How are we going to win in Iraq if GW > > Bush doesn't want to send in nearly enough troops needed for victory? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > there is no more fighting in most of Iraq and 30,000 troops can soon start > coming home. LOL You, a combat veteran, should know better -- a lot better. If GW Bush had sent nearly enough troops in the first place, the mission really would have been accomplished in 2003, and 90% of the casualties wouldn't have occurred after that. Instead he was so out of touch that he thought a country of 25 million people could be taken over with just 160,000 GIs and no help from the defeated local military. Your lack of frankness is appalling and is practically a spit in the eye of each GI in Iraq. Are you for real? You keep harping on the non issue of enough troop. We had all teh troops the Generals wanted and more than enough to defeat Iraqi military. OUR mission was accomplished in short order. Iraq mission of establishing a government is the one that has yet to be completed country wide. You really need to stop drinking the far left kool-aid and get some information from sources besides the move on kooks. Take the time to talk to those that are coming back from Afghanistan and Iraq and find out what is actually happing in that part of the county, WBMA. As one returning sergeant said, there is a far greater change of being murdered in most major American cities than there is in fighting in Afghanistan or Iraq mike >> > Try answering this question: How are we going to win in Iraq if GW >> > Bush doesn't want to send in nearly enough troops needed for victory? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Your lack of frankness is appalling and is practically a spit in the > eye of each GI in Iraq. > > Try answering this question: How are we going to win in Iraq if GW > > Bush doesn't want to send in nearly enough troops needed for victory? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Are you for real? You keep harping on the non issue of enough troop. You call it a non-issue and ask if I'm for real? You, a combat veteran? No wonder the more you type, the more you prove that you're senile. > We had all the troops the Generals wanted and more than enough to defeat Iraqi > military. Then why did Gen. Eric Shinseki, Army Chief of Staff, testify to Congress that we'd need "hundreds and hundreds of thousands" of troops for Iraq, and why, at his "retirement ceremony" (firing ceremony), did he say, "we need more troops"? It's highly, highly unusual for a General to speak that way in such circumstances. Only a senile fool or Republican dupe thinks that we sent enough troops to Iraq and that the generals didn't want any more. > OUR mission was accomplished in short order. What was the score and winner of every Super Bowl game played through 2020? Because unless you're writing from the future, our mission in Iraq still hasn't been accomplished, and the casualties prove this. > Iraq mission of establishing a government is the one that has yet > to be completed country wide. You really need to stop drinking > the far left kool-aid and get some information from sources > besides the move on kooks. You've got to stop making that false accusation because I've mentioned here, more than once, that the only thing I ever saw from MoveOn was a 2002-2003 ad showing an American GI sinking in quicksand representing the Iraq war. > Take the time to talk to those that are coming back from > Afghanistan and Iraq and find out what is actually happing > in that part of the county, WBMA. My father does that, and he said the Iraqi war vets aren't as optimistic as they used to be. > As one returning sergeant said, there is a far greater > change of being murdered in most major American > cities than there is in fighting in Afghanistan or Iraq That was also true of GIs in Vietnam. Really? The death rate was hundreds of times greater in the Vietnam war in one year than it is in Afghanistan and Iraq in four years mike >> > Try answering this question: How are we going to win in Iraq if GW >> > Bush doesn't want to send in nearly enough troops needed for victory? [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > That was also true of GIs in Vietnam. >Where have you been? Didn't you hear the report to Congress? He just did >that and the General says we are winning over the people, throughout Iraq, >there is no more fighting in most of Iraq and 30,000 troops can soon start >coming home. LOL General Petraus presented Iraq casualty figures that contradicted the Pentagon's, namely in that his pre-surge numbers are higher than their's, his post-surge numbers lower. Petraus, like most other political generals (he didn't even have combat experience until the 2003 war), simply can't be trusted. I guess we can we assume you are one of the lefty kook "MoveOn" contributors? LOL mike >>Where have you been? Didn't you hear the report to Congress? He just did >>that and the General says we are winning over the people, throughout Iraq, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > political generals (he didn't even have combat experience until the > 2003 war), simply can't be trusted. >Where have you been? Didn't you hear the report to Congress? He just did >that and the General says we are winning over the people, throughout Iraq, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >I guess we can we assume you are one of the lefty kook "MoveOn" >contributors? LOL Not if you want to be correct. It should be obvious to anyone who possesses even one grain of sense about war that the surge is nothing but bullshit from the no-combat paper pushers at the White House. >>Where have you been? Didn't you hear the report to Congress? He just did >>that and the General says we are winning over the people, throughout Iraq, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > possesses even one grain of sense about war that the surge is nothing > but bullshit from the no-combat paper pushers at the White House. It should be obvious to anyone who possesses even one grain of sense about war that YOU are NOT a twice-elected President nor are you a general. So, STFU about stuff that you know SFA about. Apparently you did not hear the General testimony, since General Petraus disagrees with you opinion LOL mike >>Where have you been? Didn't you hear the report to Congress? He just did >>that and the General says we are winning over the people, throughout Iraq, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > possesses even one grain of sense about war that the surge is nothing > but bullshit from the no-combat paper pushers at the White House. >Do you think its a 'bad thing' that the President does not do what both the >Dimocrats and Bin Ladin want him to do in Iraq. LOL But the president did do what Bin Laden wanted - enter into a large war in the heart of the Muslim world. Can we assume you did not see his latest video? He wants exactly the same things as the Dims. LOL mike >>Do you think its a 'bad thing' that the President does not do what both >>the >>Dimocrats and Bin Ladin want him to do in Iraq. LOL >> > But the president did do what Bin Laden wanted - enter into a large > war in the heart of the Muslim world. >Do you think its a 'bad thing' that the President does not do what both >the Dimocrats and Bin Ladin want him to do in Iraq. LOL [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Can we assume you did not see his latest video? He wants exactly the same >things as the Dims. LOL Don't be so childish and trivial about a matter as important as war. >>Do you think its a 'bad thing' that the President does not do what both >>the Dimocrats and Bin Ladin want him to do in Iraq. LOL [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> > Don't be so childish and trivial about a matter as important as war. It's you asshat LIEbrawls/DEMONrats who continue to be childish and trivial about Iraq. Like little children who want to run home to mama. What a message of cowardice you are passing to the terrorists/insurgents/barbarian fundamentalists around the world. Tell THAT to the current Dim leadership, WBMA mike >>Do you think its a 'bad thing' that the President does not do what both >>the Dimocrats and Bin Ladin want him to do in Iraq. LOL [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> > Don't be so childish and trivial about a matter as important as war. >Tell THAT to the current Dim leadership, WBMA > >mike That will be the day. The Dims are making politics out of the war, making it harder to win. Dim is what they are.... >>>Do you think its a 'bad thing' that the President does not do what both >>>the Dimocrats and Bin Ladin want him to do in Iraq. LOL [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> Don't be so childish and trivial about a matter as important as war. > SignatureScott in Florida trying to cover for OBL's democratic state of the union rebuttal? > When my daughter was 3 and would want to stay up late, I'd tell her > "ok, but don't go to sleep. Stay awake!" She'd be asleep in minutes. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You'd better get out of iraq, Bush! "No, Bin, I won't cuz I know > you want me to!" > trying to cover for OBL's democratic state of the union rebuttal? > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Tell me you don't believe that is bin Laden on the tape. Tell me you understand the text of his speach just a WEE bit too perfectly pro- Iraq war, pro-neocon, pro-republican. That tape is a spoof. SOmebody is going to release "the making of the latest bin Laden message". >Tell me you don't believe that is bin Laden on the tape. Tell me you >understand the text of his speach just a WEE bit too perfectly pro- >Iraq war, pro-neocon, pro-republican. That tape is a spoof. >SOmebody is going to release "the making of the latest bin Laden >message". Here are the conspiracy theories... > >Tell me you don't believe that is bin Laden on the tape. Tell me you > >understand the text of his speach just a WEE bit too perfectly pro- [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Here are the conspiracy theories... I'm surprised you discount conspiracy theories. We could have a multi- layered, multi-double cross, multi-intelligence agency, wag the dog in a house of mirrors. >> >Tell me you don't believe that is bin Laden on the tape. Tell me you >> >understand the text of his speach just a WEE bit too perfectly pro- [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > layered, multi-double cross, multi-intelligence agency, wag the dog in > a house of mirrors. What's interesting is this: Bush has had 6 years to nail OBL, but he hasn't bothered. It's better to have him around to keep the war going while its real purpose plays out. Maybe they'll cut OBL in for a piece of the action. >>>> Tell me you don't believe that is bin Laden on the tape. Tell me you >>>> understand the text of his speach just a WEE bit too perfectly pro- [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > bothered. It's better to have him around to keep the war going while its > real purpose plays out. Maybe they'll cut OBL in for a piece of the action. OBL wanted troops out of Saudi Arabia. Rummy ordered them out the day before "Mission Accomplished." Junior thought he had checkmated OBL and conquered Iraq at the same time. The reincarnation of Caligula. >>>>> Tell me you don't believe that is bin Laden on the tape. Tell me you >>>>> understand the text of his speach just a WEE bit too perfectly pro- [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > before "Mission Accomplished." Junior thought he had checkmated OBL and > conquered Iraq at the same time. The reincarnation of Caligula. I'm sure the Saudis had (and still have) all sorts of leverage. The royals need to protect themselves from their own people. Doesn't matter where they get their weapons. For their purposes, French weapons would do just as well as ours. > > >Tell me you don't believe that is bin Laden on the tape. Tell me you > > >understand the text of his speach just a WEE bit too perfectly pro- [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > layered, multi-double cross, multi-intelligence agency, wag the dog in > a house of mirrors. The latest bin laden tape was constructed by the CIA using a middleeast look-alike actor. Intended to be a demoralizing video for the terrorists, bin laden weak and impotent, (just my theory). -- > The latest bin laden tape was constructed by the CIA using a middleeast > look-alike actor. Intended to be a demoralizing video for the > terrorists, bin laden weak and impotent, (just my theory). Nah. Actors talk. It was cgi. > > The latest bin laden tape was constructed by the CIA using a middleeast > > look-alike actor. Intended to be a demoralizing video for the > > terrorists, bin laden weak and impotent, (just my theory). > > Nah. Actors talk. It was cgi. Not if they work for the CIA. -- > When my daughter was 3 and would want to stay up late, I'd tell her > "ok, but don't go to sleep. Stay awake!" She'd be asleep in minutes. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You'd better get out of iraq, Bush! "No, Bin, I won't cuz I know > you want me to!" That just makes your 4-year old smarter than you. Bush is right, you just can't see it. > When my daughter was 3 and would want to stay up late, I'd tell her > "ok, but don't go to sleep. Stay awake!" She'd be asleep in minutes. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You'd better get out of iraq, Bush! "No, Bin, I won't cuz I know > you want me to!" Bush's flip flopping on Osama is well known. What happened? Try this: What drives Osama? Should be no confusion about that, he wrote it out in capitol letters on his website. A demand made first on Aug 23rd of 96 and again on April 29th 2003 read: "DECLARATION OF WAR AGAINST THE AMERICANS OCCUPYING THE LAND OF THE TWO HOLY PLACES-EXPEL THE INFIDELS FROM THE ARAB PENINSULA." The "two holy places" are Mecca and Medina and their "land" is Saudi Arabia. On the same day Bush was landing on the deck of the Abraham Lincoln, (May 1st, 2003) Donald Rumsfeld quietly announced that he was withdrawing American armed forces from Saudi Arabia. Bush gave Bin Laden exactly what he wanted. Like Reagan removing the troops from Lebanon. So..., who's "mission was accomplished?" Looks like Osama's. So *now* when Bush says "I am truly not that concerned about him" it makes perfect sense. At least to those who know better than to trust corporate (Faux) media. It's all about oil and it can only get uglier. >> When my daughter was 3 and would want to stay up late, I'd tell her >> "ok, but don't go to sleep. Stay awake!" She'd be asleep in minutes. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > It's all about oil and it can only get uglier. IT DAMN well SHOULD be about OIL as our economy is BASED on oil and without we would freeze in the dark. Well worth going nuclear over maintaining our supply of energy...unless of course you are a terrorist-appeasing, limp-wristed isolationist like F.H.. >>> When my daughter was 3 and would want to stay up late, I'd tell her >>> "ok, but don't go to sleep. Stay awake!" She'd be asleep in minutes. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > maintaining our supply of energy...unless of course you are a > terrorist-appeasing, limp-wristed isolationist like F.H.. You're right. Now, tell us why we should not invade the one country which provides terrorists with more financial support than any other. >>> When my daughter was 3 and would want to stay up late, I'd tell her >>> "ok, but don't go to sleep. Stay awake!" She'd be asleep in minutes. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > IT DAMN well SHOULD be about OIL as our economy is BASED on oil and without we would freeze in the dark. So, I guess you would be in favor of telling the world (and especially Americans who are paying for it in blood and cash) that the *REAL* reason we invaded Iraq was for oil instead of all this BS about terrorists? And how about some free gas coupons for the loved ones of those who paid the ultimate price for this oil instead of letting them get bent over by elitists insiders of the Bushwaffe? > Well worth going nuclear over maintaining our supply of energy I call you "MORON" for a reason. Of course its futile to try to educate a "MORON" but if you can keep from nodding off try this: http://www.askquestions.org/articles/oil/ > unless of course you are a terrorist-appeasing, limp-wristed isolationist > like F.H.. LOL, the overweight chickenhawk armchair soldier clucks. > "F.H." <connectu2@verizon.net> wrote in message news:0oMEi.3592(Faux) media. > > It's all about oil and it can only get uglier. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > energy...unless of course you are a terrorist-appeasing, > limp-wristed isolationist like F.H.. Limp-wristed, like GW Bush every time he waves? The official justifications for the Iraq war didn't say anything about oil, only WMDs, terrorism, and repression of the Iraqi people. But if you want nuclear war you'd better consider what Russia, which has thousands of nukes, and China, which has billions of dollars, can and will do in retaliation. Something tells me that you either haven't thought this out very well or have a great need for Viagara. >> "F.H." <connectu2@verizon.net> wrote in message news:0oMEi.3592(Faux) >> media. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Limp-wristed, like GW Bush every time he waves? I was beginning to think I was the only person who had noticed that when Bush waves, all he needs to say is "Yoo Hoo" and he'd look like a choreographer of musicals, or a florist, or an interior decorator....or a high school sophomore girl. >>> "F.H." <connectu2@verizon.net> wrote in message news:0oMEi.3592(Faux) media. >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > say is "Yoo Hoo" and he'd look like a choreographer of musicals, or a florist, or an interior > decorator....or a high school sophomore girl. Faggots like you WOULD attribute such characteristics to such actions. >>> When my daughter was 3 and would want to stay up late, I'd tell her >>> "ok, but don't go to sleep. Stay awake!" She'd be asleep in minutes. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > maintaining our supply of energy...unless of course you are a > terrorist-appeasing, limp-wristed isolationist like F.H.. What a humanitarian you are; happy to kill and kill and kill because somebody's in the way of the oil to feed your bloated lifestyle. Even radical Islamists can kill while claiming to serve a higher purpose. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Bloated lifestyle? Are you really that dumb? How about basic needs? The economies of the whole world run on oil. The US, if necessary, could survive on our own oil but pay a bitter price. If oil should become unavailable or even cut in half the economies of hundreds of countries around the world that do not have their own oil, like those in Europe, would collapse and millions would die of starvation. Stop drinking the Kook-Aid and do a bit of research for goodness sake mike >>> It's all about oil and it can only get uglier. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > What a humanitarian you are; happy to kill and kill and kill because > somebody's in the way of the oil to feed your bloated lifestyle. > Bloated lifestyle? Are you really that dumb? How about basic needs? The > economies of the whole world run on oil. The US, if necessary, could [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > mike I'd ask "are YOU really that dumb," but I know damned good and well that you ARE that dumb. We use FAR more energy, per capita, than the people of any other country except Saudi Arabia (and we still use a little more than the Saudis). And much of it is lifestyle choices, nothing to do with "basic needs." We drive big vehicles to big houses on big lots w-a-a-a-y out in the country. People I work with drive pickups from over 40 and more miles away and moan about the price of gas. Duhhh! >>>> It's all about oil and it can only get uglier. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> What a humanitarian you are; happy to kill and kill and kill because >> somebody's in the way of the oil to feed your bloated lifestyle. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com My goodness you actually are that dumb. I guess we must excuse your ignorance, anybody who does not understand the whole world runs on oil must never had the opportunity to receive an education mike >> Bloated lifestyle? Are you really that dumb? How about basic needs? The >> economies of the whole world run on oil. The US, if necessary, could [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >>> What a humanitarian you are; happy to kill and kill and kill because >>> somebody's in the way of the oil to feed your bloated lifestyle. > My goodness you actually are that dumb. I guess we must excuse your > ignorance, anybody who does not understand the whole world runs on oil > must never had the opportunity to receive an education > > mike I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter than my dog; my dog does not pick fights he can not finish. Read what I read; we use FAR MORE than the rest of the world, per capita, and most of the rest of the world manages, somehow, to eat. Ergo, "basic needs" can be satisfied with MUCH LESS OIL. Get a freakin' clue, will ya? >>> Bloated lifestyle? Are you really that dumb? How about basic needs? >>> The economies of the whole world run on oil. The US, if necessary, [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >>>> What a humanitarian you are; happy to kill and kill and kill because >>>> somebody's in the way of the oil to feed your bloated lifestyle. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>> We use FAR more energy, per capita, than the people of any other country >>> except Saudi Arabia (and we still use a little more than the Saudis). >>> And much of it is lifestyle choices, nothing to do with "basic needs." >>> We drive big vehicles to big houses on big lots w-a-a-a-y out in the >>> country. People I work with drive pickups from over 40 and more miles >>> away and moan about the price of gas. Duhhh! http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/video/shifthappens >I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter than my >dog; my dog does not pick fights he can not finish. Bush is much smarter than you. He is going to leave Iraq for you idiots. ....and guess what.... You won't do worth a crap at it....just like you do in Congress. SignatureScott in Florida > >I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter than my > >dog; my dog does not pick fights he can not finish. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You won't do worth a crap at it....just like you do in Congress. GW Bush created a mess in Iraq -- for no good reason -- and is too stupid, lazy, and cowardly to fix it. A real man would finish the job he started, but GW Bush isn't a real man. Stop praising the coward of the century. > > >I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter than my > > >dog; my dog does not pick fights he can not finish. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > stupid, lazy, and cowardly to fix it. A real man would finish the job > he started, but GW Bush isn't a real man. Good reason. Iraq and saddam harbored terrorists. Saddam himself was a terrorist. Saddam used WMD on his own people and further, Saddam wanted even more WMD. Go back and read hillary's testimony. She also said the same. Now, go back into your hole ya little fart head. -- >> > >I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter than >> > >my [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Now, go back into your hole ya little fart head. fart head? What's next? Cooties? >> > >I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter than >> > >my [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > even more WMD. Go back and read hillary's testimony. She also said the > same. What have you got when you eliminate the reasons that were disproved and the ones that were come up with after the fact? Zilch! And now the little turd wants to hide behind Gen. Petraeus and pass the mess on to the next adminstration! > >> > >I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter than > >> > >my [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > wants to hide behind Gen. Petraeus and pass the mess on to the next > adminstration! We hope it will be a Republican president as they are the only kind which will not cut and run like little cowards the dimmies are with their tails between their skinny legs. -- >>>>>> I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter than >>>>>> my [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > which will not cut and run like little cowards the dimmies are with > their tails between their skinny legs. How unfortunate to be aligned with Bill Kristol. News from the real world: Anti-war sentiment among Republican poll respondents has suddenly increased with 38 percent of Republicans now saying they oppose the war. Moreover, 63 percent of Americans are ready to withdraw at least some troops from Iraq. Forty-two percent of Republicans agree. Fifty-four percent of Americans do not believe U.S. action in Iraq is morally justified. News item #2: Less than 24 hours after Indiana Republican Sen. Dick Lugar broke ranks with the president and urged a change of course in Iraq, fellow GOP Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio has followed suit. > >>>>>> I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter than > >>>>>> my [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > with the president and urged a change of course in Iraq, fellow GOP Sen. > George Voinovich of Ohio has followed suit. Just a minute, I gotta pass some gas. <phaaaaaaart> stinky. That feels better. Anyway, what was I going to say.......Oh yes, change course in Iraq, well is seems as though the president is doing just that. Have not you read the latest headlines? -- >>>>>>>> I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter than >>>>>>>> my [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Just a minute, I gotta pass some gas. <phaaaaaaart> stinky. Classy. Breath deep. > Anyway, what was I going to say.......Oh yes, change course in Iraq, > well is seems as though the president is doing just that. Have not you > read the latest headlines? You mean the headline that read "Bush Vows Indefinite U.S. Military Occupation of Iraq?" No..., I missed that one because it didn't show up anywhere. Despite Bush’s long history of wishful thinking, his delusions, about Iraq, the major newspapers still give Bush the headlines he wants. The New York Times headline read: "Bush Says Success Allows Gradual Troop Cuts." The Washington Post: "Bush Tells Nation He Will Begin to Roll Back 'Surge.'" Readers glancing at the headlines get the impression that Bush was finally moving toward the Iraq exit door when he really was doing all he could to paint the country, and his presidential successor, into a corner. http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9233/surgeog9.gif > >>>>>>>> I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter > >>>>>>>> than [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9233/surgeog9.gif Let's see, headlines, yes .... "O.J. Simpson arrested in alleged burglary" No, that's not it...... "Hsu Cast Wide Net For Clinton Donors" No-no that's not it...... "Gates urges veto of troop-rest measure" Nope...... "Gates, meanwhile, said he disagreed with assertions by former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan in his new book that the Iraq war "is largely about oil." That's not what I was looking for either. It was just headline yesterday and they've already taken it off. Strange. Anyway Bush said that many troops will be changing duties into support rolls rather than front line in the months ahead. I know you won't believe it, but that's tough shxxski. -- > > Less than 24 hours after Indiana Republican Sen. Dick Lugar broke ranks > > with the president and urged a change of course in Iraq, fellow GOP Sen. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > well is seems as though the president is doing just that. Have not you > read the latest headlines? My father is probably about the same age as you, and like you he witnessed killings in Vietnam, but you seem to be a lot more flippant about war and immature than he is. >> > Less than 24 hours after Indiana Republican Sen. Dick Lugar broke ranks >> > with the president and urged a change of course in Iraq, fellow GOP [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > witnessed killings in Vietnam, but you seem to be a lot more flippant > about war and immature than he is. If dbu actually saw killing in Vietnam, then the only possible conclusion is that he's one of the many who need psych care, but slipped through the cracks. My dad's like yours, although his experience was in WWII. He never *ever* discusses war in the flippant way we hear from the fake warriors here. > If dbu actually saw killing in Vietnam, then the only possible conclusion is > that he's one of the many who need psych care, but slipped through the > cracks. My dad's like yours, although his experience was in WWII. He never > *ever* discusses war in the flippant way we hear from the fake warriors > here. My father is a WWII vet, 84 years old, and to this day won't talk about it unless it's a humorous story. A WWII pilot friend of ours is the same way. >> If dbu actually saw killing in Vietnam, then the only possible conclusion >> is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > unless it's a humorous story. A WWII pilot friend of ours is the same > way. Cripes...you're old, too. >>> If dbu actually saw killing in Vietnam, then the only possible conclusion >>> is [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Cripes...you're old, too. We're the same age. >>>> If dbu actually saw killing in Vietnam, then the only possible >>>> conclusion [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > We're the same age. Well, then we're not different ages. Is that what you're saying? >>> Cripes...you're old, too. >> >> We're the same age. > > Well, then we're not different ages. Is that what you're saying? If memory serves, at one time you posted your age at 54. I am too. >>>> Cripes...you're old, too. >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > If memory serves, at one time you posted your age at 54. I am too. This is amazing. >> If memory serves, at one time you posted your age at 54. I am too. > > This is amazing. Why? >>> If memory serves, at one time you posted your age at 54. I am too. >> >> This is amazing. > > Why? Repeat for Joe: Why? >> >> > >I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter >> >> > >than [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > which will not cut and run like little cowards the dimmies are with > their tails between their skinny legs. F***dude proves he's still part of the "Cut and Run" crowd. That's part of how we lost Vietnam, and you would have thought we learned our lesson. This battle is too important to lose. They attacked us on our ground 6 years ago, does he want that again? All of the Left keep making stupid sounds like if we had done something different that they wouldn't hate us so much and that is a complete fallacy. They have always hated us. The only people over here they really like are their buddies the Klintons, whom they've been friends with since at least 1982, who can get them illegal weapons and arms. Charles of Schaumburg >>>>>>> I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter >>>>>>> than [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> which will not cut and run like little cowards the dimmies are with >> their tails between their skinny legs. > F***dude proves he's still part of the "Cut and Run" crowd. That's part of > how we lost Vietnam, and you would have thought we learned our lesson. > This battle is too important to lose. They attacked us on our ground 6 > years ago, does he want that again? All of the Left keep making stupid > sounds like if we had done something different that they wouldn't hate us so > much and that is a complete fallacy. They have always hated us. Take your meds, it should help. > The only people over here they really like are their buddies the Klintons, > whom they've been friends with since at least 1982, who can get them illegal > weapons and arms. Perhaps you meant to say friends of Reagan and Oliver North? >>> >> > >I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter >>> >> > >than [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Charles of Schaumburg Hey Chuck, think you used enough words to prove your irrelevance? > F***dude proves he's still part of the "Cut and Run" crowd. That's part of > how we lost Vietnam, and you would have thought we learned our lesson. Were you there? I was wondering because you sound like those blow hards who've never experienced war, unlike some other right-wingers here who've disagreed with me a lot. > This battle is too important to lose. They attacked us on our ground 6 > years ago, does he want that again? Iraq didn't attack us 6 years ago; one of his enemies, al Qaeda, did. > All of the Left keep making stupid sounds like if we had done > something different that they wouldn't hate us so much and > that is a complete fallacy. I guess you don't know the history of the Middle East because until the Arab-Israeli 1967 war the US was rather admired there. > They have always hated us. The only people over here they > really like are their buddies the Klintons, whom they've been > friends with since at least 1982, who can get them illegal > weapons and arms. You have no credibility when you try to blame someone who was nothing but an Arkansas governor at the time. >> >> > >I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter >> >> > >than [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > which will not cut and run like little cowards the dimmies are with > their tails between their skinny legs. If it is a republican president, then the inevitable pull-out will be called "Planned Force Reductions" or something like that and you will be all for it. > >> >> > >I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter > >> >> > >than [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > "Planned Force Reductions" or something like that and you will be all for > it. The next president, Republican, will carefully take into consideration all the facts. My guess is we will be in Iraq for a long time just as we are in South Korea. This is a good thing truk. History will show that GWB did the right thing. We will have preserved peace in the Middle East for future generations. History will look kindly on GWB, mark my word. -- >> >> >> > >I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter >> >> >> > >than [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > Middle East for future generations. History will look kindly on GWB, > mark my word. History will show that Duhbya either needed to crap or get off the pot. We have never had enough forces over there and this country doesn't have the willingness to devote the portion of our existence that it would take to be "victorious." Bush is a half-assed president who did another half-assed job. > >> >> >> > >I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter > >> >> >> > >than [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > "victorious." Bush is a half-assed president who did another half-assed > job. Who, that is running for president now, do you consider "smart"? Do you feel personally, that you are threatened by terrorism? Are the rules and boarding problems at airports a major concern for you? How do you feel about the Patriot act? Do you feel it is infringing on your personal life in any way? What do you think should be done about immigration? Do you feel the Democrats, or Republicans are on the right side for immigration as far as you are concerned? What is your major concerns regarding your personal life including your family. Taxes, healthcare, terrorism etc.? What is/was your opinion of GWB BEFORE he ran for president? Who in your lifetime do you feel or think was the best president? How old are you? -- You need to get you information from somebody other that the DNC. You keep telling the same lie that they tell, but the fact is the President provided the number of troop the Generals on the ground requested. mike >>> >> >> > >I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was >>> >> >> > >smarter [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > to be "victorious." Bush is a half-assed president who did another > half-assed job. >>>>>>>> I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter >>>>>>>> than [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Middle East for future generations. History will look kindly on GWB, > mark my word. As the inevitable consequences become apparent, the further *into* history we travel, the more obvious it will become that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and whoever else was involved in planing this fiasco were perhaps somewhat insane. Bush and his band of merry travelers misjudged *every* *single* *facet* of what they *thought* would be an easy oil grab. In their fantasy world the mythical miracle force "the free market" would have had Humpty Dumpty back together again in a couple of years. Instead we have dead (79,000 civilians, 3775 Americans), crippled, civil war, more terrorists (for years to come) and a dollar that is dropping like a wounded duck. The 2006 estimate of 2 trillion dollars cost is looking conservative. And the impact on the American economy still hasn't run its course. Not by a long shot. No...., I'm afraid history will *not* look kindly on GWB. > >>>>>>>> I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter > >>>>>>>> than [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > No...., I'm afraid history will *not* look kindly on GWB. Of course we have no way of knowing the what if's, but it's clear to me, maybe not to you that islamic terrorism has been building for years and they want to take over the world. I doubt that will happen with good leaders such as GWB, but it could with bad leaders who don't take this seriously. -- >> >>>>>>>> I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter >> >>>>>>>> than [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > leaders such as GWB, but it could with bad leaders who don't take this > seriously. I suppose Mister F***ing Headcase thinks history will look kindly on Slick Willie? Charles of Schaumburg >>> >>>>>>>> I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was >>> >>>>>>>> smarter [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > > Charles of Schaumburg Compared to Duhbya? By a long shot. This one is right up your alley, Chuck....it's a no brainer. >>>>>>>>>> I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter >>>>>>>>>> than [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > leaders such as GWB, but it could with bad leaders who don't take this > seriously. Percentage wise, religious nuts like you describe are few (we have some too)and have never had the means to take over much of anything. That said, you don't diffuse terrorists by invading their country and taking their resources. Common sense 101. And contrary to what many right wingers (and a few so called Christians) believe, you can't kill all the Muslims. And God ain't gonna to it for America either. As for "taking over the world" a close look at history shows that when it comes to empire building it is the good old USA that leads the pack and its usually economics pawned off as a dire necessity for survival that gets the money and volunteers. >>>>>>>>> I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter than >>>>>>>>> my [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > Americans), crippled, civil war, more terrorists (for years to come) and a dollar that is dropping like > a wounded duck. The 2006 estimate of 2 trillion dollars cost is looking conservative. Liars and/or traitors, such as yourself, conveniently ignore all the deaths and injuries caused by barbarians, insurgents and other Islamic fundamentalist butchers. > And the impact on the American economy still hasn't run its course. Not by a long shot. > > No...., I'm afraid history will *not* look kindly on GWB. >> As the inevitable consequences become apparent, the further *into* history we travel, the more obvious >> it will become that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and whoever else was involved in planing this fiasco were [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> Americans), crippled, civil war, more terrorists (for years to come) and a dollar that is dropping like >> a wounded duck. The 2006 estimate of 2 trillion dollars cost is looking conservative. > Liars and/or traitors, such as yourself, conveniently ignore all the deaths and injuries caused by > barbarians, insurgents and other Islamic fundamentalist butchers. The Internet is wonderful tool for pot bellied cowards like you to hide behind and call people names. You wouldn't call me a liar to my face, would you Dave? As an accountant, you of all people should see the motivation behind the attempted "Democratization" of Iraq. >>> As the inevitable consequences become apparent, the further *into* >>> history we travel, the more obvious it will become that Bush, Cheney, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > would you Dave? As an accountant, you of all people should see the > motivation behind the attempted "Democratization" of Iraq. I don't believe he's an accountant. That takes a rational mind. >>>> As the inevitable consequences become apparent, the further *into* >>>> history we travel, the more obvious it will become that Bush, Cheney, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I don't believe he's an accountant. That takes a rational mind. Well, there *is* a certain regimented, inflexible style of thinking that goes with numbers crunching. Add fear and......... >>>>> As the inevitable consequences become apparent, the further *into* >>>>> history we travel, the more obvious it will become that Bush, Cheney, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Well, there *is* a certain regimented, inflexible style of thinking that > goes with numbers crunching. Add fear and......... ....and you have a guy wandering through a mall in Toronto with two handguns and 200 rounds of ammo. > > If it is a republican president, then the inevitable pull-out will be called > > "Planned Force Reductions" or something like that and you will be all for > > it. > The next president, Republican, will carefully take into consideration > all the facts. There hasn't been any evidence of that in the rhetoric of any of the Republican presidential candidates, so why do you expect at least one to suddenly do a 180 and stop ignoring the facts?. > My guess is we will be in Iraq for a long time just as we are in > South Korea. This is a good thing truk. Not unless we reverse the current dire situation, where the insurgents are getting better faster than we are and where we aren't doing nearly enough to expand our military to handle such an occupation and also leave us strong enough for military necessities elsewhere. I'm talking an extra 200,000-500,000 GIs. > History will show that GWB did the right thing. History will show that GW Bush was in above his head and rolled the dice against history and lost. He'll be the American who started America's decline and handled the leadership of the world over to China. > We will have preserved peace in the Middle East for future > generations. GW Bush made it disintegrate back into chaos and caused the end of US influence in the Middle East. > History will look kindly on GWB, mark my word. It's better to place trust in the people who know the most about war and Middle East history, and they were the ones who told GW Bush to stay out of Iraq and instead concentrate on the war against terrorism. >> > If it is a republican president, then the inevitable pull-out will be >> > called [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Republican presidential candidates, so why do you expect at least one > to suddenly do a 180 and stop ignoring the facts?. Everyone makes mistakes. :-) Which facts, yours or the real facts? mike >>> > If it is a republican president, then the inevitable pull-out will be >>> > called [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Everyone makes mistakes. > :-) >>>>> I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter than >>>>> my [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > wants to hide behind Gen. Petraeus and pass the mess on to the next > adminstration! http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4720/planjq7.gif > > GW Bush created a mess in Iraq -- for no good reason -- and is too > > stupid, lazy, and cowardly to fix it. A real man would finish the job > > he started, but GW Bush isn't a real man. > > Good reason. Iraq and saddam harbored terrorists. Not since the end of the Gulf War, and Republican ex-CIA analyst Larry Johnson said that Saddam was the best anti-terrorist force in the Middle East. Saddam was such a nervous wreck after the Gulf War, especially after Operation Desert Fox in 1998 crushed his remaining dreams of power, that we could have played him for anything we wanted.by just popping a brown paper bag behind his back. But idiots like you misperceived him as a powerful bogeyman and supported stupid Dubya and the stupidest war in US history. > Saddam himself was a terrorist. Not since the Gulf War. > Saddam used WMD on his own people In 1988, which was before the Gulf War. > and further, Saddam wanted even more WMD. What crazy warlord doesn't dream of more WMDs? OTOH Saddam executed the head of his delegation that visited Moscow and came back claiming that Iraq might be able to obtain a nuclear weapon. > Go back and read hillary's testimony. She also said the same. Sorry, I won't fall for your cheap diversions. Stick to the subject, Dbu. > Now, go back into your hole ya little fart head. A person as ignorant as you shouldn't lecture others, especially because: You were wrong about Iraq five years ago. You're wrong about Iraq right now. You always will be wrong about Iraq. You just don't know how to be right. > A person as ignorant as you shouldn't lecture others, especially > because: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "larry moe 'n curly" You always will be wrong about Iraq. > "larry moe 'n curly" You just don't know how to be right. > > A person as ignorant as you shouldn't lecture others, especially > > because: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > "larry moe 'n curly" You always will be wrong about Iraq. > > "larry moe 'n curly" You just don't know how to be right. You didn't even try, Mike, and the amount of effort shows. You just don't understand what a big mistake the Iraqi war is and will be for America. If you believe we do not need to fight the radical Islamic nuts you are dumber than you posts suggest. LOL mike >> > A person as ignorant as you shouldn't lecture others, especially >> > because: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > You just don't understand what a big mistake the Iraqi war is and will > be for America. > If you believe we do not need to fight the radical Islamic nuts you are > dumber than you posts suggest. LOL Truth be told, you have no idea why you so favor fighting and killing "Islamic Nuts." Of course that's not "dumb" it's just an unsophisticated and uneducated mind. Villain's provide the perfect distraction for the disguise of panic in a rigged game where you know someday you will die. LOL ;) > > If you believe we do not need to fight the radical Islamic nuts you are > > dumber than you posts suggest. LOL [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > distraction for the disguise of panic in a rigged game where you know > someday you will die. LOL ;) Count me in with Mike, I favor hunting them down and putting them out of action in one form or another. Do you mean to say you would actually compromise with terrorists??? -- >>> If you believe we do not need to fight the radical Islamic nuts you are >>> dumber than you posts suggest. LOL >> Truth be told, you have no idea why you so favor fighting and killing >> "Islamic Nuts." Of course that's not "dumb" it's just an [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Count me in with Mike, I favor hunting them down and putting them out of > action in one form or another. Simple perspectives for simple............ > Do you mean to say you would actually compromise with terrorists??? If that's what I wanted to say, I would have said it. Stay tuned. > >>> If you believe we do not need to fight the radical Islamic nuts you are > >>> dumber than you posts suggest. LOL [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > If that's what I wanted to say, I would have said it. Stay tuned. Stay tuned for what? -- >>>>> If you believe we do not need to fight the radical Islamic nuts you are >>>>> dumber than you posts suggest. LOL [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Stay tuned for what? A post relevant to "the disguise of panic in a rigged game where you know someday you will die." >> If you believe we do not need to fight the radical Islamic nuts you are >> dumber than you posts suggest. LOL [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >distraction for the disguise of panic in a rigged game where you know >someday you will die. LOL ;) Don't let that dumb a.shole "Hime Hunt" troll you. >>> If you believe we do not need to fight the radical Islamic nuts you are >>> dumber than you posts suggest. LOL [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Don't let that dumb a.shole "Hime Hunt" troll you. Excellent advice. This from a guy that even calls himself DIZZY LOL mike >>> If you believe we do not need to fight the radical Islamic nuts you are >>> dumber than you posts suggest. LOL [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Don't let that dumb a.shole "Hime Hunt" troll you. Apparently you do not live in NYC if that is what you believe. If we stop fighting them where they live, you can get back to us with your opinion after they hit the city in which your reside LOL mike >> If you believe we do not need to fight the radical Islamic nuts you are >> dumber than you posts suggest. LOL [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > disguise of panic in a rigged game where you know someday you will die. > LOL ;) >> A person as ignorant as you shouldn't lecture others, especially >> because: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> "larry moe 'n curly" You always will be wrong about Iraq. >> "larry moe 'n curly" You just don't know how to be right. larry moe 'n curly should be called Joe Besser. Charles of Schaumburg > >> A person as ignorant as you shouldn't lecture others, especially > >> because: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > larry moe 'n curly should be called Joe Besser. The lack of imagination and truthfulness seems to plague you right wing kooks. How years old is the world, Charles? >> larry moe 'n curly should be called Joe Besser. > >The lack of imagination and truthfulness seems to plague you right >wing kooks. > >How years old is the world, Charles? Hehe. Why, it's only about 10,000 years, don't 'ya know. sh.t, the "science" that shows that the Earth is millions of years old is totally bogus! "Science" can't even tell us if butter or margarine is better for us! DUH! Millions? The number you are looking for is BILLIONS. No wonder you call yourself DIZZY! LOL mike >>> larry moe 'n curly should be called Joe Besser. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > is totally bogus! "Science" can't even tell us if butter or margarine > is better for us! > DUH! Millions? The number you are looking for is BILLIONS. No wonder > you call yourself DIZZY! LOL [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> is totally bogus! "Science" can't even tell us if butter or margarine >> is better for us! Well my ancestors ate good old fresh butter for generations. Most of them lived out on farms. Some of them lived to be nearly 90 years old, and this was long before antibiotics and stuff. It seems like since 'modern medicine', my relatives have done less well than before. . . . The oldest male in my family tree in modern times lived to be 79. The oldest female lived to be 90, but this is not a record for my family at all. Some of the stuff I see trotted out in the name of 'science' is pure Junk Science. I stopped beliving some of it when they came out with that piece of junk science about sex causing cancer. Charles of Schaumburg >> DUH! Millions? The number you are looking for is BILLIONS. No wonder >> you call yourself DIZZY! LOL [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Science. I stopped beliving some of it when they came out with that piece > of junk science about sex causing cancer. Maybe it does: Earth has undeniably suffered a rapid deterioration in health over the past few centuries. The symptoms of her illness, including global warming, water pollution, and deforestation, are ever-increasing and cannot be ignored. Dr. William Hern believes he has discovered the culprit behind this malady: Homo ecophagus, a newly-coined label for the present day humans that are devouring the environment in cancer-like fashion. His diagnosis involves drawing parallels between a malignant neoplasm and humans. Although his argument and its correlating implications contain some contradictions, his overall points appear regrettably compelling and difficult to refute. >>> DUH! Millions? The number you are looking for is BILLIONS. No wonder you call yourself DIZZY! >>> LOL [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Although his argument and its correlating implications contain some contradictions, his overall points > appear regrettably compelling and difficult to refute. Spare us your LIEbrawl guilt complex. > Spare us your LIEbrawl guilt complex. Does your wife know you're posting all over the internet about your oral sex fantasies, Dave? >> Spare us your LIEbrawl guilt complex. > > Does your wife know you're posting all over the internet about your oral sex fantasies, Dave? Does YOUR wife that you spill your inability to control her daughter and SIL, all over the internet? >>> Spare us your LIEbrawl guilt complex. >> Does your wife know you're posting all over the internet about your oral sex fantasies, Dave? > > Does YOUR wife that you spill your inability to control her daughter and SIL, all over the internet? You advertise your ignorance buffoon. I have no step daughter its just a convenient figure of speech. My daughter is a college grad and high dollar exec with an international company. Maybe Lech will lend a hand with letting your wife know what kind of trash you spew on the Internet. >>>> Spare us your LIEbrawl guilt complex. >>> Does your wife know you're posting all over the internet about your oral sex fantasies, Dave? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Maybe Lech will lend a hand with letting your wife know what kind of trash you spew on the Internet. Would that be Lech, the master of dysfunctional relationships? >>>>> Spare us your LIEbrawl guilt complex. >>>> Does your wife know you're posting all over the internet about your oral sex fantasies, Dave? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Would that be Lech, the master of dysfunctional relationships? His relationships are none of my business, or yours. >>>> DUH! Millions? The number you are looking for is BILLIONS. No >>>> wonder you call yourself DIZZY! LOL [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Spare us your LIEbrawl guilt complex. The liberals might be right, but as usual, for all the wrong reasons. Lets see. My ancestors ate butter, regular bread, cheese, bacon, lots of red meat and even the kids drank beer at lunch. A lot of them lived to be ripe old ages. Now we're eating margarine, 'healthy' bread, cheese, bacon and red meat are no-nos and kids aren't allowed to drink at all, so they sneak it behind the parent's back. And the average life expectancy has gone down. And the LIEberals keep guilting us even more with slogans like "Meat is murder." Then they wonder why I refer to him as F***ing headcase. Charles of Schaumburg > The liberals might be right, but as usual, for all the wrong reasons. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > gone down. And the LIEberals keep guilting us even more with slogans like > "Meat is murder." What an asinine presumption. Do you not even know the difference between a vegetarian and a political party? > Then they wonder why I refer to him as F***ing headcase. Who is they? Who is "him?" Is there only *one* vegetarian that frightens you so? Perhaps medication would help. Education seems highly unlikely. I'm a vegetarian, but I still eat, beef and pork as well as chicken and fish LOL mike >> The liberals might be right, but as usual, for all the wrong reasons. >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Who is they? Who is "him?" Is there only *one* vegetarian that frightens > you so? Perhaps medication would help. Education seems highly unlikely. That's another thing that seems to be big on liberal's minds. So many of them are sickly looking vegans. Charles of Schaumburg > That's another thing that seems to be big on liberal's minds. So many of them are sickly looking > vegans. > > Charles of Schaumburg Some of them actually look gaunt, usually with a guilty look over something that someone did hundreds or thousands of years ago. Clue: it is NOT my responsibility to right someone else's wrongs. >> That's another thing that seems to be big on liberal's minds. So many of them are sickly looking >> vegans. >> >> Charles of Schaumburg > > Some of them actually look gaunt Unlike you who has admitted being an overweight pot bellied pig. >>> That's another thing that seems to be big on liberal's minds. So many of them are sickly looking >>> vegans. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Unlike you who has admitted being an overweight pot bellied pig. Better to have a fat BODY, than a Fat Head, like you. >>>> That's another thing that seems to be big on liberal's minds. So many of them are sickly looking >>>> vegans. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Better to have a fat BODY, than a Fat Head, like you. Its high school but at least not a denial. Progress. > I'm a vegetarian, but I still eat, beef and pork as well as chicken and > fish LOL [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> Who is they? Who is "him?" Is there only *one* vegetarian that frightens >> you so? Perhaps medication would help. Education seems highly unlikely. F H = F***ing Headcase. JoeSpareBedroom Aka Doug Kanter = JoeNoBedroom, Doug Cancer. Larry, Moe & Curly = Joe Besser And the vegans are on the same side as the Liberals. The WRONG side. Charles of Schaumburg Actually is it up in the US to 77 years from children born today, from 75 in 2005. mike >>>>> DUH! Millions? The number you are looking for is BILLIONS. No >>>>> wonder you call yourself DIZZY! LOL [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > Charles of Schaumburg Any search will reveal people around the world are living longer than ever LOL mike >>>> DUH! Millions? The number you are looking for is BILLIONS. No >>>> wonder you call yourself DIZZY! LOL [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Spare us your LIEbrawl guilt complex. > Any search will reveal people around the world are living longer than ever > LOL > > mike Except in my family tree. . . My mom was 69 when she died. Her mom was also 69. Grandmother was 84. Hmm. Charles of Schaumburg And your point? ;) mike >> Any search will reveal people around the world are living longer than >> ever LOL [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Charles of Schaumburg > And your point? ;) > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >> Charles of Schaumburg My point is that since the turn of the 20th century, my family has been living LESS well overall. Modern medicine doesn't seem to do us much good. The ones that died natural deaths prior to 1900 mostly lived longer than the family members now. Charles of Schaumburg > My point is that since the turn of the 20th century, my family has been > living LESS well overall. Modern medicine doesn't seem to do us much good. > The ones that died natural deaths prior to 1900 mostly lived longer than the > family members now. In a majority of families this is true. Why? We move less and eat more. A myriad of troubles stem from this one fact. What does that have to do with the fact the average life span has been increasing in the US for many years, not decreasing, as was suggest by the poster? mike >> And your point? ;) >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Charles of Schaumburg > What does that have to do with the fact the average life span has been > increasing in the US for many years, not decreasing, as was suggest by the > poster? Be looking for a reversal of that trend. Soon. The Baby Boomer generation, and those following, are fat. They've been fat for more of their lives, meaning they became fatter earlier in life. This comes at a cost, paid for by disease and dysfunction. We're eating more and moving less. Look at the obesity stats for the 1970s versus the late 1990s. Cancer, diabetes, atherosclerosis, chronic low back pain, and several other diseases can directly be attributed to being overweight. Take into account the additional factors of highly refined and over-processed food void of real nutritional value and packed with preservatives, and you're guaranteed a shorter life span. The stats are there; they just haven't been compiled yet. > What does that have to do with the fact the average life span has been > increasing in the US for many years, not decreasing, as was suggest by the [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >> Charles of Schaumburg Dear Mike, Not everyone is benefiting from modern healthcare. For some reason, my family seems to fair less well with modern medicine than with what they had prior to that. Watch for this to become a bigger trend. The medical and drug industry is about money, not necessarily about longer life. Charles of Schaumburg. > Not everyone is benefiting from modern healthcare. For some reason, my > family seems to fair less well with modern medicine than with what they had > prior to that. Watch for this to become a bigger trend. The medical and > drug industry is about money, not necessarily about longer life. It's my firm belief that the increased lifespan we're witnessing is to the detriment of quality of life. Sure modern medicine can keep you alive, but at what cost? My mother-in-law is 86, and on over a dozen prescription meds. There's no possible way that these meds don't interact with each other, and differently between individuals for genetic reasons. Sure she's alive at 86, but the woman is in constant discomfort and subjected to a myriad of side-effects. You're alive, but miserable. Band-aids instead of prevention via lifestyle changes possible only when you're young enough for them to matter. >> Not everyone is benefiting from modern healthcare. For some reason, my >> family seems to fair less well with modern medicine than with what they [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > lifestyle changes possible only when you're young enough for them to > matter. Agreed. My grandmother died at 69. She had a stroke and was dead the same day. My mom had a stroke at 69 and they kept her alive 3 months, until all hope of her getting better was done, but she was miserable and on a respirator for those three months until her internal organs had just had enough and shut down on their own. Charles of Schaumburg >> Not everyone is benefiting from modern healthcare. For some reason, my >> family seems to fair less well with modern medicine than with what >> they had prior to that. Watch for this to become a bigger trend. > The medical and drug industry is about money, not necessarily about > longer life. You're chuck full of silly little idioms aren't you? How is it you speak with such confidence? Certainly the pharmaceuticals are questionable but how is what *is* the "medical industry" anyway? Doctors? Or perhaps just those HMO's and hospital owners doing business the American way? > It's my firm belief that the increased lifespan we're witnessing is to > the detriment of quality of life. Obvious in *some* cases. The that translate to you thinking its somehow costing *you* a few bucks? > Sure modern medicine can keep you alive, but at what cost? IMO, with the exception of clear cases of mental illness, once over a certain age the option of checking out ought to be the individuals. Will your body to the corporate powers, throw a party, read poetry, kiss everyone goodbye. And now.....a commercial message from Soylent red and Soylent yellow, high energy vegetable concentrates, and new, delicious, Soylent green. The miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world. >> The medical and drug industry is about money, not necessarily about >> longer life. > > You're chuck full of silly little idioms aren't you? How is it you > speak with such confidence? And you're an idiot who can't even determine proper attributes on usenet. The words above are not mine. Foolish troll. I hate killfiles. I really do. But your oxygen thievery on this planet tempts me to use one. >>> The medical and drug industry is about money, not necessarily about >>> longer life. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Foolish troll. Heh, the troll label again. > I hate killfiles. I really do. But your oxygen thievery on this planet > tempts me to use one. Hate and intolerance are the main themes of your ramblings. Do me no favors, you seem ineducable anyway. >>>> The medical and drug industry is about money, not necessarily about >>>> longer life. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Heh, the troll label again. If you were anything more than a troll, you'd be apologizing for your stupidity and error. The shoe fits, troll. >>>>> The medical and drug industry is about money, not necessarily about >>>>> longer life. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > The shoe fits, troll. The shoe that fits you is immature Usenet hall monitor. I'll bet you drive the same way. >> If you were anything more than a troll, you'd be apologizing for your >> stupidity and error. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The shoe that fits you is immature Usenet hall monitor. I'll bet you > drive the same way. So I'm a hall monitor because I bitch slapped you on your error? You really are a twat. And I'm done responding to your idiocy. >>> The medical and drug industry is about money, not necessarily about >>> longer life. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I hate killfiles. I really do. But your oxygen thievery on this planet > tempts me to use one. F. H. aka F***ing Headcase has already proven that he's a waste of the 21 % Oxygen he's breathing. And he hasn't figured out I can't see his replies. Don't want to see his stupid-a$$ liberal crap replies. I've been arguing with stupid leftards like him since 1970 and I'm getting tired of having to repeat the same old truths over and over again and having butt-monkeys like him pretend they don't apply in his altered-states universe. Charles of Schaumburg >>>> The medical and drug industry is about money, not necessarily about longer life. >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Charles of Schaumburg I KNOW what you mean. f.ck Head whacks out in several other newsgroups in a similar fashion...spewing out his LIEbrawl garbage like so much polluted cum. >>>>> The medical and drug industry is about money, not necessarily about longer life. >>>> You're chuck full of silly little idioms aren't you? How is it you speak with such confidence? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I KNOW what you mean. f.ck Head whacks out in several other newsgroups in a similar fashion...spewing out > his LIEbrawl garbage like so much polluted cum. Getting back to your favorites eh Dave? Body parts and fluids. Polluted cum? You sick f.ck. > "witfal" <nospam@all4.me> wrote in message >> I hate killfiles. I really do. But your oxygen thievery on this planet >> tempts me to use one. > F. H. aka F***ing Headcase has already proven that he's a waste of the 21 % > Oxygen he's breathing. Time for you two *pals* to get a room. Do what *real* conservatives do, you know, airport sign language. ;) >>> Not everyone is benefiting from modern healthcare. For some reason, my >>> family seems to fair less well with modern medicine than with what they had prior to that. Watch for [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > concentrates, and new, delicious, Soylent green. The miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from > the oceans of the world. Soylent Green, in the movie, was NOT made from plankton. Google can even be YOUR friend...unfortunately, though, Google usually points out your errors far more than it confirms your statements. >>>> Not everyone is benefiting from modern healthcare. For some reason, my >>>> family seems to fair less well with modern medicine than with what they [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > be YOUR friend...unfortunately, though, Google usually points out your > errors far more than it confirms your statements. Every time I see a commercial for Ensure, the first thing that pops into my mind is Charlton Heston yelling "Soylent Green is People!" Charles of Schaumburg > Not everyone is benefiting from modern healthcare. For some reason, my > family seems to fair less well with modern medicine than with what they had > prior to that. What did they have prior? > Watch for this to become a bigger trend. The medical and > drug industry is about money, not necessarily about longer life. The real medical and drug industries are about improving and lengthening life while chiropractors, naturopaths, and herbalists are about money rather than extending lifespans. Obviously not everyone, but the majority certain is living longer. All of the male members of my family died around age 75 from heart attacks. I will be 82 shortly. The reason being I had heart bypass surgery when I was fifty, adding over thirty years to my life Today with the medication available on the market I do not have any heart problems. My blood pressure is around 145/60 and my cholesterol is below 130, down from 220 when I had the bypass surgery. I had the surgery when it was new and today thousands are alive that would have died in the sixties or earlier. Other types of surgery, like transplants that are saving those that would have died from liver and lung diseases. Many types of cancer can be cured as well. Younger children are not subjected to the diseases that killed many in the past, from measles to polio. Many are living a better life as well with the availability to replace knees, hips etc., as well as the ability of reattaching severed limbs The average the life span is more than 15 years longer, for a person born today, than it was in 1926 when I was born. Take a walk through any cemetery and take note of all of the children that died below the age of two and the large percentage of adults that died in their thirties, as just one indicator of the increase in the average life span in the US. mike > Dear Mike, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Charles of Schaumburg. > > My point is that since the turn of the 20th century, my family has been > > living LESS well overall. Modern medicine doesn't seem to do us much [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > increasing in the US for many years, not decreasing, as was suggest by the > poster? Most of the increase in average lifespan has been due to the decrease in infant mortality, not due to adults living longer, but there's no reason to believe modern medicine hasn't contributed positively, a rare exception being its gross overuse of x-rays before the 1960s. > > > My point is that since the turn of the 20th century, my family has been > > > living LESS well overall. Modern medicine doesn't seem to do us much [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > reason to believe modern medicine hasn't contributed positively, a > rare exception being its gross overuse of x-rays before the 1960s. Do you remember the x-ray machines in shoe stores? -- >> > > My point is that since the turn of the 20th century, my family has >> > > been [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Do you remember the x-ray machines in shoe stores? I remember that they had something called a fluroscope at one time, wasn't that a massive dose of X-rays, too? I still think if we are living longer, we are living less well. Again, it's all about the money, boys. The medical industry and the drug industry is making a forturne off of prolonging death. Go look at the occupants of your average nursing home. They may be living longer, but most are miserable. Charles of Schaumburg > >> > > My point is that since the turn of the 20th century, my family has > >> > > been [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Charles of Schaumburg This is the beast: <http://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/shoefittingfluor/shoe.htm> It says they were good for a couple hundred mrems of radiation. Doesn't seem like too much, but if you worked all day around one of these things you got your years worth in short order. -- > I still think if we are living longer, we are living less well. Again, it's > all about the money, boys. The medical industry and the drug industry is > making a forturne off of prolonging death. Go look at the occupants of your > average nursing home. They may be living longer, but most are miserable. I can't imagine my parents accepting any existence that so sapped their individualities and treated them like little children. > > Most of the increase in average lifespan has been due to the decrease > > in infant mortality, not due to adults living longer, but there's no > > reason to believe modern medicine hasn't contributed positively, a > > rare exception being its gross overuse of x-rays before the 1960s. > > Do you remember the x-ray machines in shoe stores? My father knew something about radiation exposure, and when he learned that a shoe-ftting machine in a dept. store used x-rays, he lectured the employees and customers about the dangers, but I don't think anybody listened to him. He said a boy there had looked at his foot for several minutes through the fluoroscope. Many children in the 1950s were treated with x-rays even all kinds of minor ailments, including swollen tonsils, and close to 100% of those kids eventually developed thyroid cancer. > > > Most of the increase in average lifespan has been due to the decrease > > > in infant mortality, not due to adults living longer, but there's no [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > minor ailments, including swollen tonsils, and close to 100% of those > kids eventually developed thyroid cancer. When I was about 9 or 10 my mother took me to a shoe store with an x-ray so I got my foot under the thing for a short time until my mom said "I don't like that thing". That was the one and only time I had my foot x-ray measured. They were very dirty machines also spitting xrays all over the place. Some of the workers that operated the things came down with cancer. I've had radiography training for my work and those things were mentioned in discussion along with dental x-ray. -- A quick search will reveal the problem with the foot X-ray machines was not what hit the foot but the massive leaks from the machine that exposed those that operated them to massive amounts of gamma rays daily. mike >> > Most of the increase in average lifespan has been due to the decrease >> > in infant mortality, not due to adults living longer, but there's no [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > minor ailments, including swollen tonsils, and close to 100% of those > kids eventually developed thyroid cancer. I hope you were wearing your aluminum foil hat while you were reading that crap? LOL mike >>> DUH! Millions? The number you are looking for is BILLIONS. No >>> wonder you call yourself DIZZY! LOL [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > contradictions, his overall points appear regrettably compelling and > difficult to refute. >> DUH! Millions? The number you are looking for is BILLIONS. No wonder >> you call yourself DIZZY! LOL [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Charles of Schaumburg Still, a small part of you must have breathed a sigh of relief! Which world? The real world or YOUR world? LOL mike >> >> A person as ignorant as you shouldn't lecture others, especially >> >> because: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > How years old is the world, Charles? > Which world? The real world or YOUR world? LOL > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >> How years old is the world, Charles? I'm not sure how old Joe Besser's world is at all. My world is at least 6000 years old. It could be older. Nobody was writing things down before then. It's like evolution. "They" claim it's proven, but I've never seen anybody able to replicate the process. I've not seen any apes turn into humans lately. Maybe the other way round. . . . . Charles of Schaumburg >> How years old is the world, Charles? > > I'm not sure how old Joe Besser's world is at all. My world is at least > 6000 years old. It could be older. Nobody was writing things down before > then. "Could" be older. Don't be so disingenuous, Charles. You're one of those kooks who thinks Earth is only a few thousand years old, not the billions of years old that it actually is. > It's like evolution. "They" claim it's proven, but I've never seen anybody > able to replicate the process. Then you can't believe in Creation science or Intelligent Design either because they have far, far less proof. Do you believe in either? > I've not seen any apes turn into humans lately. Maybe the other way round. . . . All humans are classified as great apes. >>I *wish* Bush was smarter than me. Shoot, I wish he was smarter than my >>dog; my dog does not pick fights he can not finish. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You won't do worth a crap at it....just like you do in Congress. Yeah. My dog often leaves messes for others to clean up. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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