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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Cars / October 2007<OT> Disappointment about California fires
I know its only been a week since these fires began but I am not sure we were told any of the truth about them. After all, There were no firemen shot, we only saw pictures of them doing their jobs and getting "atta boys" from the populace. We were denied the pictures of Jesse and Al arriving to show their support and voice their outrage that not enough was being done. The rioting at Qualcom Stadium wasn't shown, only obviously fake mockups of people being sheltered. No wonderful action pictures of people breaking into stores to steal survival items such as big screen tvs, sneakers, clothes, jewelry, etc. No one but Barbara Boxer whining about the way the fires were handled without the National Guard equipment that was in Iraq. No policemen beating up on anybody.. None of the aircraft were shot at. It was as if these nearly 1 million people and responders knew exactly what had to be done and did it. Could this be due to planning and training? I didn't see ONE of the "leaders" from congress show up or complain about it. So all in all is it possible this disaster was handled properly by local officals from the beginning? I hate to say it but this is what I remember from other disasters in California. Ron in Ca. > I know its only been a week since these fires began but I am not sure we > were told any of the truth about them. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > The rioting at Qualcom Stadium wasn't shown, only obviously fake mockups > of people being sheltered. snip / / / / / / Bush was here with his phony photo op but there were none of the Blackwater or Haliburton whores. Yet. > I know its only been a week since these fires began but I am not sure we > were told any of the truth about them. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Ron in Ca. Bush's fault, it's all Bush's fault.  Signature"It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is." Bill Clinton >I know its only been a week since these fires began but I am not sure we >were told any of the truth about them. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Ron in Ca. In all fairness, the CA fires came upon us without warning in just a few hours, and stayed for a week. The storms in New Orleans, et al, were the focus of several government departments for many days, and every major news outlet for days more, and took a more than week to get there, then were gone in a few hours. Can you imagine the loss of life if the fires moved slower and gave more people more time to get out of the way ... Wait, that's your point, huh? > In all fairness, the CA fires came upon us without warning in just a > few hours, and stayed for a week. The storms in New Orleans, et al, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > more people more time to get out of the way ... Wait, that's your > point, huh? <g> Yep, sort of my tongue in cheek point. The people in Florida and the Caribbean get hit all the time with hurricanes and they manage to get to high ground, especially with a weeks warning. The people of east Texas got "Rita'd" just after Katrina and took care of business pretty well. Mexico and Central America get smacked regularly yet they get back to as normal as they can pretty darn quick without all the massive dollars we spend on our disasters. I guess my point is that the level of competence should be looked at and see where responsibility lies. But wait, lets propose more programs and spending to reward um! I still remember images of flooded buses and several cars, flooded, in most driveways in NO. Ron >> In all fairness, the CA fires came upon us without warning in just a few >> hours, and stayed for a week. The storms in New Orleans, et al, were the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > <g> > Yep, sort of my tongue in cheek point. You're about as "tongue in cheek" as the Klan. snip bullshit / / // > I guess my point is that the level of competence should be looked at and > see where responsibility lies. It lies with Bush and his privatizing theology and good ol boy politics. > But wait, lets propose more programs and spending to reward um! I still > remember images of flooded buses and several cars, flooded, in most driveways > in NO. You should do a little homework before you make such a fool of yourself. >> Yep, sort of my tongue in cheek point. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > It lies with Bush and his privatizing theology and good ol boy politics. It's Bush's fault that people living below sea level don't get in the car and drive away with something on the order of ten days notice that the hole they live in is about to fill up? Even if the levees held up, living in the flooded parts of New Orleans is something that everybody else in the country recognizes is somewhere to NOT be when a huge storm comes ashore. It is not Bush's fault at all. It is not the Administration's fault. The fact that the stadium was filled to capacity with people that did not leave town shows just how much the people themselves are to blame for their plight. Having said that, once the people got to the stadium, it is pretty clear that the ball was dropped in bringing in food and water. But, no matter who you aim your crooked little finger at in that disaster, nobody in San Diego collected up their own choice in survival gear -- to include big screen TV sets and Nike shoes. Indeed, there are a few reports of low life individuals going into evacuated homes and taking big screen televisions from the owners, huddling in camps at the stadium. Take your KKK crap out of here and stop enabling the criminals. You can not claim that the huricane came without any warning. You can not claim the loss of a home. All of the things that made the looting justified in New Orleans existed in San Diego -- except the week and a half of lead time -- but none of the problems cropped up there. The issue is not racial, idiot, it's socio-economic. Poor people react one way, affluent people another. It's the most basic of right-and-wrong. Wrong is wrong all of the time, and economic status does not change that. > I still remember images of flooded buses and several cars, flooded, in > most driveways in NO. My favorite was the NO police officer stealing a television. >> I still remember images of flooded buses and several cars, flooded, in >> most driveways in NO. > > My favorite was the NO police officer stealing a television. Never mind televisions. Here are the pigs skullfucking the constitution. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-368034430006732400 Mindless soldiers, following orders from criminals. >>> I still remember images of flooded buses and several cars, flooded, in >>> most driveways in NO. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Mindless soldiers, following orders from criminals. Yup. The last I read of this crap had the feds writing legislation to prevent this anti-Second Amendment garbage. >>> I still remember images of flooded buses and several cars, flooded, in >>> most driveways in NO. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Mindless soldiers, following orders from criminals. Joey, those 'pigs' have you under surveillance. Be very careful with your drug use.... SignatureScott in Florida >>>> I still remember images of flooded buses and several cars, flooded, in >>>> most driveways in NO. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Be very careful with your drug use.... Pigs skullfucking the constitution, with complete approval from fools like you, who think the constitution has a clause saying "You can ignore all this if the ground is wet." >>>>> I still remember images of flooded buses and several cars, flooded, in >>>>> most driveways in NO. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >you, who think the constitution has a clause saying "You can ignore all this >if the ground is wet." You are under investigation.... SignatureScott in Florida Talk about non-sequiturs. You are amazing. You (liberals) want the cops to do everything to save human life, then complain about the way they do the job. If one of those rich people had shot and killed a poor person coming to take the TV, you (liberals) would complain that the cops did not disarm the citizens. I happen to agree with you that the cops taking weapons away is a bad thing, but I (conservatives) are not the one complaining that poor people deserve that which the wealthy can afford for themselves. The irony here is that you (liberals) are complaining about a wealth redistribution program that the government is putting into place. >>> I still remember images of flooded buses and several cars, flooded, in >>> most driveways in NO. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Mindless soldiers, following orders from criminals. >>>> I still remember images of flooded buses and several cars, flooded, in >>>> most driveways in NO. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> Mindless soldiers, following orders from criminals. > Talk about non-sequiturs. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > The irony here is that you (liberals) are complaining about a wealth > redistribution program that the government is putting into place. I'm not a liberal. I have no idea where you came up with that, and neither do you. Back to the guns: If someone enters another person's house to steal, that is equal to an explicit request to be shot dead. Even the best ammo is cheap. It would be really selfish not to honor a burglar's request to be shot dead, since you can oblige for less than two bucks. Less than one buck, if you're an amazing shot. The cops stole guns, pure and simple, and the courts agreed. But, many legal gun owners still haven't gotten their firearms back. I don't care about the conditions (hurricane, fires, floods) - the cops broke the law. >>>>> I still remember images of flooded buses and several cars, flooded, >>>>> in most driveways in NO. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > legal gun owners still haven't gotten their firearms back. I don't care > about the conditions (hurricane, fires, floods) - the cops broke the law. There is no point in discussing the taking of the guns, we are in agreement that taking guns is bad. >>>>>> I still remember images of flooded buses and several cars, flooded, >>>>>> in most driveways in NO. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > There is no point in discussing the taking of the guns, we are in > agreement that taking guns is bad. Oh. Then, most of what you said in your previous message was verbal puke that you wish you'd never said. >> I still remember images of flooded buses and several cars, flooded, in >> most driveways in NO. > >My favorite was the NO police officer stealing a television. Dims in charge of dims. SignatureScott in Florida >> I know its only been a week since these fires began but I am not sure >> we were told any of the truth about them. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > Can you imagine the loss of life if the fires moved slower and gave more > people more time to get out of the way ... Wait, that's your point, huh? "In all fairness" sure had a short shelf life. >>> I know its only been a week since these fires began but I am not sure we >>> were told any of the truth about them. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > "In all fairness" sure had a short shelf life. Please, point out aything that is not fair. Okay, point out anything that is not accurate. You may not agree withthe fairness of it all, but it is accurate. CALIFORNIA FIRES No Warning. Hundreds upon hundreds of square miles of land laid to waste. Years, if not decades, of rebuilding - some of which has already begun. (not even talking about infrastructure) One half million plus evacuated. No looting, muggings, or any other crime for that matter. Well, there has been a small amount of crime -- people have been going to the vacant homes of the evacuees and taking stuff but none of the evacuees has done any reported crime. A disaster that took a week or more to unfold -- it is still unfolding 9 days later with no clear sign of ending. HURRICANE KATRINA They watched it approach for at least ten days. A few city blocks flooded out. Years later, rebuilding has yet to start. What was the evacuation count, several tens of thousands? Looting, mugging, and other crimes are rampant -- mostly committed by the evacuees. A disaster that took two weeks to blow ashore and was gone in a matter of hours. In all fairness, the fire disaster went much differently than the huricane disaster. Can you imagine how badly the fires would have been if there was just more time to prepare? Wait, more time to prepare should make the situation better ... Never mind, I'm not being fair. > I know its only been a week since these fires began but I am not sure > we were told any of the truth about them. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > local officals from the beginning? I hate to say it but this is what I > remember from other disasters in California. You're not insinuating that the conduct of our people in San Diego county is more civilized than in N.O., are you? I didn't think so. >> I know its only been a week since these fires began but I am not sure >> we were told any of the truth about them. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > I didn't think so. How pathetic you are. How funny that you fail to notice how you resemble the negative liberal stereotype. Elitist, condescending etc.. Capitalizing on a tragedy to grandstand your simple minded prejudices. Clap, clap, clap..... > You're not insinuating that the conduct of our people in San Diego > county is more civilized than in N.O., are you? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Capitalizing on a tragedy to grandstand your simple minded prejudices. Why would I? The demographics of those affected by the fires were full spectrum. The largest areas included lower to middle-class neighborhoods, illegals, blacks, hispanics, and just about every other color of the rainbow. The obvious difference was their conduct when compared to the same races in NO. The only nasty or snooty fire victims on television happened to be those in the richest city in the county. They were upset at being "evicted" from their $300.00 per night hotel rooms previously booked by convention attendees. One particularly humorous appearance was by a doctor well-known to be a prig. You'd like him. So, yet again, you step in a pile of your words and just can't escape your stink. No amount of heel scraping is going to change your ilk. Once a troll, always a troll. > Clap, clap, clap..... <taking a bow> >> You're not insinuating that the conduct of our people in San Diego >> county is more civilized than in N.O., are you? [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > <taking a bow> How pathetic you are. Milking tragedy. Here's to Karma, may you find yours soon. > How pathetic you are. Milking tragedy. Here's to Karma, may you find > yours soon. It isn't me who's pathetic, troll-boy. You can't grasp even the most obvious facts. I'm proud of how our county responded, and is taking care of those in need. Every community would do well under similiar unfortunate circumstances. If that pride, and our example, is "milking" tragedy, then NO and others would do well to get their act together similarly. You, otoh, are simply relegated to the cheap seats, being easily bitch-slapped yet again. I know I've said this before, but I still don't learn my lesson. Trying to reason with someone of your ilk is certainly akin to teaching pigs to fly. Adios, chump. >> How pathetic you are. Milking tragedy. Here's to Karma, may you find >> yours soon. > I'm proud of how our county responded, and is taking care of those in > need. Every community would do well under similiar unfortunate > circumstances. If that pride, and our example, is "milking" tragedy, > then NO and others would do well to get their act together similarly. Liar. What you practice in your innuendos about New Orleans is called ritual defamation. You sarcastically wrote: "You're not insinuating that the conduct of our people in San Diego county is more civilized than in N.O., are you? Ritual defamation, try to be a man and admit you regularly practice it. In order for a ritual defamation to be effective, the victim must be dehumanized to the extent that he becomes identical with the offending attitude, opinion or belief, and in a manner which distorts it to the point where it appears at its most extreme. The power of ritual defamation lies entirely in its capacity to intimidate and terrorize. It embraces some elements of primitive superstitious belief, as in a "curse" or "hex." It plays into the subconscious fear most people have of being abandoned or rejected by the tribe or by society and being cut off from social and psychological support systems. The weakness of ritual defamation lies in its tendency toward overkill and in its obvious maliciousness. Like all propaganda and disinformation campaigns it is accomplished primarily through the manipulation of words and symbols. Look into the mirror, Witless. >>> How pathetic you are. Milking tragedy. Here's to Karma, may you >>> find yours soon. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Look into the mirror, Witless. Ritual defamation--honed to an art by the LIEbrawl socialists! > Ritual defamation--honed to an art by the LIEbrawl socialists! And usnet trolls. Notice the "clever" misspelling of my moniker. A troll is a troll is a troll. They're so completely predictable. >> Ritual defamation--honed to an art by the LIEbrawl socialists! > > And usnet trolls. Notice the "clever" misspelling of my moniker. > > A troll is a troll is a troll. They're so completely predictable. Name calling is handy when you lack a coherent rebuttal. And *so* grade school. You can't point to a single troll. |
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