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2000 Echo "bass-ackward" defroster
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Wickeddoll - 26 Nov 2007 23:34 GMT It has been pouring rain lately. I took my daughter to work today, and as soon as the car left the garage it fogged up so completely I had to use the wipers and open the windows to see. I turned on the defroster (anterior), opened the vents, but it got even worse. I knew my rear defroster was out, but wasn't willing to shell out the righteous cash they wanted to charge me. (I need to take it to that honest mechanic my son dealt with).
Eventually I just closed the vents, and it started working! The button for defrost clearly says to open the vents, but for some reason, that makes it worse.
I remember you guys saying you should turn on the A/C in the winter, which I thought was pretty weird. I didn't push the cooling button, but just had it re-use inside air. The windows cleared right up.
Any thoughts?
Natalie
dh - 26 Nov 2007 23:49 GMT > It has been pouring rain lately. I took my daughter to work today, and as > soon as the car left the garage it fogged up so completely I had to use [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Natalie The A/C also dehumidifies, removing the moisture and, one hopes, the fog. I don't know what's special about re-using inside air in your case.
JoeSpareBedroom - 26 Nov 2007 23:52 GMT > It has been pouring rain lately. I took my daughter to work today, and as > soon as the car left the garage it fogged up so completely I had to use [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Natalie Push the AC button and turn the temp all the way to hot. The reasoning behind this is obvious.
Scott in Florida - 27 Nov 2007 00:24 GMT >It has been pouring rain lately. I took my daughter to work today, and as >soon as the car left the garage it fogged up so completely I had to use the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Natalie The AC removes the humidity. For the defrost to work you need the AC on.
You can turn the heat up high with the AC on and the problem should be solved.
 Signature Scott in Florida
C. E. White - 27 Nov 2007 00:42 GMT > The AC removes the humidity. For the defrost to work you need the AC on. Not really. Millions of cars without A/C have defrosters that work just fine. And even cars that run the A/C in the defrost mode, don't run the compressor if the outside temperature is below 40 degrees F (the A/C won't actually work if the outside temperature is too low). Just heating the air lowers it's humidity. Starting out with cooler air leaving the evaporator is just more effective since it will have an even lower humidity when heated (cooling the air removes moisture by condensing it, heating the air back up lowers the humidity). However, the more I think about the description of the problem, the more I am convinced that the air was not hot enough. Natalie mentioned that running the wipers helped remove fog from the outside of the windshield. No matter how low the humidity of the air is inside the car, it won't help evaporate moisture from the outside of the windshield unless it is hot enough to warm up the windshield.
Ed
Scott in Florida - 27 Nov 2007 01:15 GMT >> The AC removes the humidity. For the defrost to work you need the AC on. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Ed Here in Florida with high humidity.....not running the a/c compressor does NOT work to remove humidity.
The ONLY way you can take the condensed water off the inside is to run the A/C compressor.
If the temperature is lower than 40, I agree with you.
Turning the heat only on in Florida does not clear the windshield.
 Signature Scott in Florida
Ed White - 27 Nov 2007 02:38 GMT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott in Florida" <JustAskl@verizon.net> Newsgroups: alt.autos.toyota Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:15 PM Subject: Re: 2000 Echo "bass-ackward" defroster
> Here in Florida with high humidity.....not running the a/c compressor does > NOT work to remove humidity. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Turning the heat only on in Florida does not clear the windshield. Come on - you don't really believe this do you? If the air is hot enough it will evaporate the moisture. Having to suffer through very hot air coming out of the vents might not be pleasant, but it will work to defrost the windshield. Just heating the air lowers the humidity. For sure in hot weather using the A/C is a better way, but cars without A/C existed in Florida, at least in the distant past. Usually just heating the windshield up enough to get it above the temperature of the surrounding air is enough to clear the fog from the inside. Of course this might take awhile, but it will do the trick. Raising the temperature of 80 degree 90% RH air to 95 degrees has the same sort of effect on the humidity of the air as raising 40 degree 100% RH air coming from the A/C Evaporator to 80 degrees. Either way you get air with a much lower relative humidity. Of course, one way is unpleasant if it is already hot in the car.
I'll bet you have a different problem in Florida - if you leave the car on defrost for a long time in the summer, you can actually cool the windshield enough so that the outside of the glass starts to fog. When I first got it (long ago..) my old F150 always (and deliberately) diverted some of the air from the HVAC system through the defroster vents. On a long trip at night, this would result in the windshield fogging from the outside. Ford issued a TSB with a fix (they recalibrated something in the system) and fixed this characteristic. I suspect it was not a problem for people in the north or west, but in NC the summer humidity was high enough for the problem to be experienced, especially at night.
Ed
Scott in Florida - 27 Nov 2007 14:22 GMT >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Scott in Florida" <JustAskl@verizon.net> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Come on - you don't really believe this do you? Of course I believe it. I live here!
Turning on the heat does NOT remove humidity from the air to clear the windshield.
To remove humidity the air needs to go thru the air conditioner to cool the air and remove moisture.
Having the air on 're circulate actually adds more moisture to the air (from your breath).
ps No 'normal' person turns the heat on high when the temperature is 90 and the humidity is 90....LOL
>If the air is hot enough it >will evaporate the moisture. Having to suffer through very hot air coming [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >defrost for a long time in the summer, you can actually cool the windshield >enough so that the outside of the glass starts to fog. That is very true, but if you are moving....only a very small area around the vent has a bit of condensation.
>When I first got it >(long ago..) my old F150 always (and deliberately) diverted some of the air [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Ed >  Signature Scott in Florida
EdV - 27 Nov 2007 14:41 GMT > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Scott in Florida" <JustA...@verizon.net> [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > -- > Scott in Florida Hi Nat, check your cabin air filter as well, if its dirty and clogged up, air might not circulate well and cause a delay in dehumidifying the air inside your car. Its worth a try, not sure if it will work, a dirty cabin filter needs to be checked anyway.
JoeSpareBedroom - 27 Nov 2007 14:45 GMT >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Scott in Florida" <JustA...@verizon.net> [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > the air inside your car. Its worth a try, not sure if it will work, a > dirty cabin filter needs to be checked anyway. Suggestion: Take a closer look at the message display in google to be sure you are actually responding to the person who asked the original question.
EdV - 27 Nov 2007 14:55 GMT > Suggestion: Take a closer look at the message display in google to be sure > you are actually responding to the person who asked the original question. Thanks, point taken
Wickeddoll - 28 Nov 2007 00:18 GMT "EdV" , Scott in Florida < , "Ed White"
>> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > the air inside your car. Its worth a try, not sure if it will work, a > dirty cabin filter needs to be checked anyway. Thanks, but it's the *outside* that fog up. The inside was clear. Go figure.
Natalie
JoeSpareBedroom - 28 Nov 2007 00:31 GMT > "EdV" > , Scott in Florida < [quoted text clipped - 92 lines] > > Natalie FWAP! Turn on the wipers, Einstein.
Wickeddoll - 28 Nov 2007 00:58 GMT "JoeSpareBedroom" ...
> "Wickeddoll" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] > > FWAP! Turn on the wipers, Einstein. That's what I did, brain trust. But that doesn't help the side windows, or the rear, where my defroster is busted.
:-P Natalie
C. E. White - 27 Nov 2007 14:50 GMT > On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:38:34 -0500, "Ed White" > <cewhite3@mindspring.com> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > the > windshield. It doesn't "remove" the moisture, but it does change the relative humidity. If you take 77 degree air, 90% relative humidity and heat it to 95 degrees, the relative humidity will drop to something like 45%. This will clear the fog off the windshield. You have fog on the windshield becasue the temperature of the windshied glass is below the dewpoint of air in the car. If the air in the car is 77 degrees and 90% RH, and the glass temperature is below 73 degrees or so, the windshield will fog up on the inside. There are two ways to clear the fog from the windshield - 1) raise the temperature of the glass above the dew point or 2) lower the dew point of the air in the car. Just using the defroster with hot air alone will do both - raise the temperature of the glass and lower the dew point of the air in the car. Using the A/C and not adding heat only does one thing - it lowers the dew point of the air in car. Directing the air through the A/C and then through the heater is the most effective way to clear a windshield of fog, since you can greatly lower the dew point of the air in the car and heat the windshield above the dew point at the same time. Air coming out of the A/C evaporator is actually at or very near 100% relative humidity and 40 degrees F. Heating it back to 80 degrees F lowers the realtive humidity to around 20%. This alone will clear the fog off the windshield, but if you heated the air to 95 degrees you would lower the relative humidity even further (10% or so) and since you are also heating the glass, you would remove the fog much faster.
> To remove humidity the air needs to go thru the air conditioner to > cool the > air and remove moisture. What you say is true, but it is only part of the story. What matters for removing the fog from the windshield is the dew point of the air in the car, not how much moisture is in the air. Heating the air lowers the dew point. Cooling the air to remove moisture and then reheating it, lowers it even further.
> Having the air on 're circulate actually adds more moisture to the > air (from > your breath). I agree 100%. People often don't understand this point and they think using recirculate is better for defogging, but it isn't.
> ps No 'normal' person turns the heat on high when the temperature is > 90 and > the humidity is 90....LOL Honestly, when it is 90 degrees out, do you have much of a problem with the windshield fogging? I agree if it is hot that running the A/C is the way to go. However, if you are in a hurry to defog the windshield, heating the air will do it faster. Once the windshield is clear, just using the A/C should keep it that way. But, if you don't have A/C, heating the air will also defog the windshield. While blowing hot air out of the defroster (defogger) might not be pleasant, seeing beats not seeing every time.
Ed
JoeSpareBedroom - 27 Nov 2007 14:56 GMT >> Having the air on 're circulate actually adds more moisture to the air >> (from >> your breath). > > I agree 100%. People often don't understand this point and they think > using recirculate is better for defogging, but it isn't. Imagine what their bathrooms must look like after a few years of applying the same concept during showers.
C. E. White - 27 Nov 2007 15:02 GMT >>> Having the air on 're circulate actually adds more moisture to the >>> air (from [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Imagine what their bathrooms must look like after a few years of > applying the same concept during showers. LOL - well actually my bathroom does apply this concept. The stupid fan just moves the air around (no outside exhaust) and the room doesn't have a window. On the other hand, I do actually know how to use chemicals to kill the mold and mildew.
Ed
EdV - 27 Nov 2007 15:11 GMT On Nov 27, 10:02 am, "C. E. White" <cewhi...@removemindspring.com> wrote:
> >>> Having the air on 're circulate actually adds more moisture to the > >>> air (from [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Ed On the 2007 Camry, once you turn the dial to have the air blown near the windshield, the recirculate is automatically turned to fresh and cannot be changed.
C. E. White - 27 Nov 2007 15:16 GMT > On the 2007 Camry, once you turn the dial to have the air blown near > the windshield, the recirculate is automatically turned to fresh and > cannot be changed. Score one for Toyota. Actually I suspect a lot of vehicles do this, but don't make it obvious.
Ed
Wickeddoll - 28 Nov 2007 00:19 GMT "JoeSpareBedroom" ...
> "C. E. White" ... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Imagine what their bathrooms must look like after a few years of applying > the same concept during showers. *fwap* gimme a little credit, will ya?
Natalie
Scott in Florida - 27 Nov 2007 15:47 GMT >I agree if it is hot that running the >A/C is the way to go. However, if you are in a hurry to defog the >windshield, heating the air will do it faster. I disagree!!!!
A/C is instantaneous.
Heat....you have to wait for the engine to warm up.
 Signature Scott in Florida
JoeSpareBedroom - 27 Nov 2007 15:51 GMT >>I agree if it is hot that running the >>A/C is the way to go. However, if you are in a hurry to defog the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Heat....you have to wait for the engine to warm up. He doesn't seem to understand that you can have warm air and AC simultaneously. AC doesn't necessarily mean cold.
But, around here, turning on the AC when the engine is cold will often result in ice on the inside of the windshield. Doesn't matter if the AC is instantaneous. With the right combo of humidity (in the car) and temperature, the results can be annoying. You have to wait for the car to warm up.
C. E. White - 27 Nov 2007 17:28 GMT > He doesn't seem to understand that you can have warm air and AC > simultaneously. AC doesn't necessarily mean cold. Sure I do. Go back and read my original post. I said "I agree if it is hot that running the A/C is the way to go.However, if you are in a hurry to defog the windshield, heating the air will do it faster" and "What you say is true, but it is only part of the story. What matters for removing the fog from the windshield is the dew point of the air in the car, not how much moisture is in the air. Heating the air lowers the dew point. Cooling the air to remove moisture and then reheating it, lowers it even further." All A/Cs reheat the defroster air to some extent after it leaves the evaporator. Blowing 40 degree 100% relative humidity air onto the windshield is not a good way to defog a windshield. Blowing 70 degree 40% relative humidity air onto the windshield is a good way to defog it.
It seems to me Scott doesn't want to acknowledge that you can defog the windshield with heat alone. I know, if it is hot, using heat alone is unplesant, but it will work. And of course, as Scott pointed out, you won't have heat until after the engine warms up at least a little. You'll have A/C immeadiately - except if it is cold outside (less than 40 F). In this case, you have to use heat.
> But, around here, turning on the AC when the engine is cold will > often result in ice on the inside of the windshield. Doesn't matter > if the AC is instantaneous. With the right combo of humidity (in the > car) and temperature, the results can be annoying. You have to wait > for the car to warm up. If it is that cold, the A/C won't turn on at all. You might press the A/C on button, and the indicator light (if present) might even claim it is on, but the compressor won't run. All A/C systems have some means of preventing the A/C compressor from running at low ambient temperatures. Otherwise you can have the refrigerant turn to liquid in the compressor - a very bad thing. A/C units are designed to work with temperatures above the freezing point of water. Once the outside temperature is below freezing, they won't work (at least until you get the underhood temperatures significantly above zero).
Ed
C. E. White - 27 Nov 2007 17:44 GMT >>I agree if it is hot that running the >>A/C is the way to go. However, if you are in a hurry to defog the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Heat....you have to wait for the engine to warm up. Duh, I thought that was obvious. And A/C is not instantaneous if it is cold outside.
So how often does the inside of your windshield fog up in Florida? For me, in central NC, I rarely have to worry about fog on the inside of the windshield during the warm parts of the year (say Mid-May to Mid-September) and if I do, then it is because it is cool and rainy and I am already on the road - and a little heat is a good thing. I can't remember the last time I got in my car in warm weather and had fog on the inside of the car the first thing in the morning. In the late spring and early fall, the windshield is likely to be foggy both inside and out in the morning. When the fog is the worst, it is often to cool for the A/C compressor to engage, so the A/C is worthless, and I have to wait for at least a little heat (usually a couple of minutes is enough). In the coldest months, the real problem is frost, or actual ice on the outside of the windshield. The A/C is not an option for this.
Just to be clear - I agree A/C can clear fog off the inside of the windshield, as long as it is warm enough for the compressor to engage. And if it is that warm, it can clear it rapidly. However, you can also clear the fog with just heated air, but of course, you have to wait for the car to warm up.
All this talk has made be nostalgic for my favorite device for clearing a windshield - the Insta-Clear Windshield. It used a high frequency alternating current to directly heat the windshield (the windshield had a very thin nickel coating). I had one, I loved it, they quit selling it (at least on cars I can afford). I hung on to a 1986 Sable for an extra 3 years just because it had that feature. In the morning you got in the car, started it, pressed the windshield defrost button, waited a few seconds, ran the wiper once, and you were off, even if there was frost on the windshield.
Ed
Scott in Florida - 27 Nov 2007 17:56 GMT >>>I agree if it is hot that running the >>>A/C is the way to go. However, if you are in a hurry to defog the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >So how often does the inside of your windshield fog up in Florida? Now that you mention it....not too often.
Normally on cool days (cool for me is anything less than 80...LOL).
> For >me, in central NC, I rarely have to worry about fog on the inside of [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >Ed >  Signature Scott in Florida
C. E. White - 27 Nov 2007 00:29 GMT > It has been pouring rain lately. I took my daughter to work today, and as > soon as the car left the garage it fogged up so completely I had to use [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Natalie Natalie,
Most cars automatically run the A/C compressor when in the defrost mode, even if you don't push the defrost button. If you want to see if yours does, push the defrost button with the engine running, open the hood, take a look, and see if the compressor is engaged. BTW, even cars that run the A/C compressor in the defrost mode, don't run the compressor if the temperature is below 40 degrees F or so.
Which vents are you talking about? Do you mean you switched the system to the recirculate mode, or that you literally closed the vents inside the car? If it is the latter (you closed the interior vents), then the defroster worked better because you forced more air out of the defroster vents by blocking off the other paths for the air.
Where did you set the temperature? Cold air is not as effective at removing moisture. I can think of a few potential factors that might have made your problems worse or confused the issue:
1) The HVAC Mode Door is not properly adjusted (this is the door in the system that direct air to different areas - floor, vents, defroster). As a result insufficient air is directed through the defroster vents. 2) The A/C evaporator case drain hose is plugged, leaving water in the evaporator case, resulting in the air from the defroster having excessively high moisture. 3) You didn't wait for the engine water temperature to get hot, so you were blowing cool moist air onto the windshield - this won't do a good job of defogging the windshield, however, by closing the interior vents, you directed a lot of air onto the windshield which helped. 4) Your problem was actually moisture condensing onto the outside of the windshield (you said running the wipers helped). The only way the defroster (defogger) can clear the outside of the windshield is to heat the glass up enough to evaporate the moisture condensing on the outside. For this application, it is irrelevant whether the A/C is engaged, or whether you are recirculating interior air. The only thing that matter is that the air is hot. I suspect maybe the reason the defogger started working is that while you were trying things, the temperature of the air increased and that by closing the interior vents you directed more air onto the windshield, which warmed it up enough to evaporate the moisture on the inside and outside of the windshield.
In general I think you get the best results from the defroster (defogger really) with the temperature control on full hot, and in the exterior air mode.
What did you mean when you said - "The button for defrost clearly says to open the vents." I've never seen anything like this. I suppose they use the interior vents to defog the side windows.
What's wrong with your rear defroster? If it is a broken "wire" in the grid, you should look at the products available from http://www.frostfighter.com/ .
Regards,
Ed White
Wickeddoll - 27 Nov 2007 00:51 GMT "C. E. White" ...
> "Wickeddoll" ... *snipping for brevity*
> Natalie, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > A/C compressor in the defrost mode, don't run the compressor if the > temperature is below 40 degrees F or so. I don't think the car was that cool. Our high was about 65 today, though it sat in the garage all weekend, and all day yesterday.
> Which vents are you talking about? Do you mean you switched the system to > the recirculate mode, or that you literally closed the vents inside the > car? If it is the latter (you closed the interior vents), then the > defroster worked better because you forced more air out of the defroster > vents by blocking off the other paths for the air. Recirculate - the vents were still open.
> Where did you set the temperature? Cold air is not as effective at > removing moisture. I can think of a few potential factors that might have > made your problems worse or confused the issue: I put it at about medium-high hot.
> 1) The HVAC Mode Door is not properly adjusted (this is the door in the > system that direct air to different areas - floor, vents, defroster). As a > result insufficient air is directed through the defroster vents. Very possible - according to my son, the defroster wasn't working at least a year ago, but since I always drive with the recirculater on, I didn't notice.
> 2) The A/C evaporator case drain hose is plugged, leaving water in the > evaporator case, resulting in the air from the defroster having > excessively high moisture. hmmm
> 3) You didn't wait for the engine water temperature to get hot, so you > were blowing cool moist air onto the windshield - this won't do a good job > of defogging the windshield, however, by closing the interior vents, you > directed a lot of air onto the windshield which helped. OK
> 4) Your problem was actually moisture condensing onto the outside of the > windshield (you said running the wipers helped). The only way the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > onto the windshield, which warmed it up enough to evaporate the moisture > on the inside and outside of the windshield. No, the change was instantaneous. You could see the fog clearing via the normal venting (starting in the corner of the window closest to the defrosting vents)
> In general I think you get the best results from the defroster (defogger > really) with the temperature control on full hot, and in the exterior air > mode. I'll try that, thanks.
> What did you mean when you said - "The button for defrost clearly says to > open the vents." I've never seen anything like this. I suppose they use > the interior vents to defog the side windows. It says to take it off recirculate, actually, now that you've shown me that clarification. All of our Toyotas have had that indicator.
> What's wrong with your rear defroster? If it is a broken "wire" in the > grid, you should look at the products available from [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ed White Thanks for a very helpful reply, Ed (I appreciate the other replies, but this one was the most detailed)
I didn't ask them what the problem was, but I'll certainly look into getting the parts from that site.
Thanks again!
Natalie
JoeSpareBedroom - 27 Nov 2007 02:59 GMT > "C. E. White" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I don't think the car was that cool. Our high was about 65 today, though > it sat in the garage all weekend, and all day yesterday. Natalie, is there anything you're not telling us? Anything you'd like to confess? For instance, did you recently leave the windows open when it rained, so the inside of the car is holding an abnormally high amount of humidity?
Wickeddoll - 27 Nov 2007 03:05 GMT "JoeSpareBedroom" <...
> "Wickeddoll"... >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > rained, so the inside of the car is holding an abnormally high amount of > humidity? Gimme a little credit, Joe. I usually *never* have my windows open, because I blast my iPod, and I hate the city "aroma."
Natalie
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 27 Nov 2007 00:35 GMT > I remember you guys saying you should turn on the A/C in the winter, which I > thought was pretty weird. Because you don't understand what "air conditioning" really is.
Wickeddoll - 27 Nov 2007 00:45 GMT "Elmo P. Shagnasty"...
>> I remember you guys saying you should turn on the A/C in the winter, >> which I >> thought was pretty weird. > > Because you don't understand what "air conditioning" really is. And you didn't tell me. :-)
I'm from Florida - AC means one thing alone: We're no longer miserably hot.
Natalie
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 27 Nov 2007 01:08 GMT > > Because you don't understand what "air conditioning" really is. > > And you didn't tell me. :-) > > I'm from Florida - AC means one thing alone: We're no longer miserably hot. AC isn't about cooling. AC is about removing humidity from the air.
Your body has a natural cooling system--but it doesn't work well when the dew point is high and there's no energy left to remove the moisture that's collecting from your skin.
The goal of AC is to remove moisture so that your body's natural cooling system can work. AC removes moisture by cooling the air.
It's natural to make the mistake of thinking that the primary goal of AC is cool air, but that's just not so.
Here's a thought: imagine a very damp yet cool air that still doesn't allow your body's cooling mechanism--sweat--to be taken away from your body. You may sense cool temperatures, but you also are very, very uncomfortable.
It's not about cooling. Primarily, it's about removing moisture.
"Defrost"--remove moisture.
Wickeddoll - 27 Nov 2007 01:29 GMT "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <
>> > Because you don't understand what "air conditioning" really is. >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > "Defrost"--remove moisture. Much better than your first response, thanks.
:-) Natalie
Jeff - 27 Nov 2007 00:47 GMT > It has been pouring rain lately. I took my daughter to work today, and as > soon as the car left the garage it fogged up so completely I had to use the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > defrost clearly says to open the vents, but for some reason, that makes it > worse. Boy! That must be some big button. The buttons in my car have symbols on them, not words.
> I remember you guys saying you should turn on the A/C in the winter, which I > thought was pretty weird. I didn't push the cooling button, but just had it > re-use inside air. The windows cleared right up. > > Any thoughts? You were pulling in cold, moist air that condensed on the windshield. In my car, the A/C goes on at about 50 F when it is on the defog setting (to dry the air going to the windshield). Below about 50 F, there usually is not enough moisture to fog up the window.
So my guess is that when you closed the vent, the air around the windshield warmed up enough to let the moisture evaporate from the windshield.
Jeff
> Natalie Wickeddoll - 27 Nov 2007 00:53 GMT >> It has been pouring rain lately. I took my daughter to work today, and >> as soon as the car left the garage it fogged up so completely I had to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Boy! That must be some big button. The buttons in my car have symbols on > them, not words. *heating up the denuding fork*
>> I remember you guys saying you should turn on the A/C in the winter, >> which I thought was pretty weird. I didn't push the cooling button, but [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Jeff Hey, if I can get away without having them work on my front defroster, I'm all for it!
:-D Natalie
sharx35 - 27 Nov 2007 01:01 GMT > It has been pouring rain lately. I took my daughter to work today, and as > soon as the car left the garage it fogged up so completely I had to use [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Natalie Reusing inside air is about the worst thing you can do to lessen fogging of your windows. Turning on the AC helps, as it dehumidifies the air.
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