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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22329065/ Maybe by the time I'm a senior citizen (16 years), it'll be perfected. :-) Natalie > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22329065/ > > Maybe by the time I'm a senior citizen (16 years), it'll be perfected. Slows it when the gas is hit for no reason? I see people on the road every day of all ages that should have that one mandated for them. <g> > >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22329065/ > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I see people on the road every day of all ages that should have that > one mandated for them. <g> And maybe sliding doors such that it doesn't hit the car parked beside them. "EdV" < witfal Wickeddoll" >> <wickeddollnofeckingspam1...@yahoo.com> said: >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> Slows it when the gas is hit for no reason? Yeah - I wondered how they'd manage that. How does the car know there's "no reason" - sounds rather "Hal"-like to me. >> I see people on the road every day of all ages that should have that >> one mandated for them. <g> Amen! > And maybe sliding doors such that it doesn't hit the car parked beside > them. LOL Natalie > "EdV" < > witfal [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Yeah - I wondered how they'd manage that. How does the car know there's > "no reason" - sounds rather "Hal"-like to me. I can hear it now.... "What's the matter with this consarned car? I floored it and the damn thing is shutting down on me!" A voice emanates from the instrument panel, next to a little round light that scans the cabin. "I'm sorry, Dave, but I can't let you get into trouble, so I'm taking control away from you for a while, because I think you need to separate your desires for speed from the prudent values I know you have. So I'm shutting down the engine for a while, just until you learn to control yourself. While we're waiting for you to cool off, would you like to hear me sing a song? It's called "Daisy". Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer, do...." >>>> Slows it when the gas is hit for no reason? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > "What's the matter with this consarned car? I floored it and the damn > thing is shutting down on me!" I think it's ideal for most of the morons I observe daily: Accelerate for no reason. Slow for no reason. Brake for no reason. Straddle the lines for no reason. Drive with the signal on for no reason. Travel in the fast lane at 10+ mph UNDER the limit for no reason. Sit at a green light for no reason. Change lanes right in front of your clear lane, effectively blocking you, for no reason. Do you want to understand and see first-hand how road rage gets triggered? Come to California where it's far too easy to get, and keep, a driver's license. "witfal" , "mack" : >>>>> Slows it when the gas is hit for no reason? >>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Come to California where it's far too easy to get, and keep, a driver's > license. What about Arizona? The "Cal-Zones" come from California, get an AZ license, then they don't have to renew it until they turn *65*! I kid you not. Natalie >> Do you want to understand and see first-hand how road rage gets triggered? >> Come to California where it's far too easy to get, and keep, a driver's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > license, then they don't have to renew it until they turn *65*! I kid you > not. Man, that explains a lot. One of my sisters-in-law lives in Az. I'm amazed when I see just how badly people drive there. > "witfal" > , "mack" : [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Natalie Right on, Nat. You drive around Phoenix and Tempe (especially Tempe) for a weekend, and before long you think every third car is not driving in your direction, his intention is to hit you. > > "witfal" > > , "mack" : [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > weekend, and before long you think every third car is not driving in your > direction, his intention is to hit you. I've never been to AZ, and I'm intrigued with their road rage driving style. I want them to visit NJ and drive to NY during the rush hour and then during the weekend, look for a decent parking space in the malls. "EdV" "mack" wrote: >> "Wickeddoll" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > and then during the weekend, look for a decent parking space in the > malls. I wouldn't visit either of those states! If possible, I'll drive *around* them! Natalie, been there, done that, never again >> > "witfal" >> > , "mack" : [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > and then during the weekend, look for a decent parking space in the > malls. Best to park near the edge of the malls, slightly away from other vehicles. Most of us need the walk, anyways! "Wickeddoll" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:fkbth8.2qo.1@news.evilcabal.org... > "witfal" > , "mack" : [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Natalie Ya the Arizona DMV makes the California DMV seem like some evil monster stalking me by comparison. You can even do stuff like make your ATV (4 wheel dirt bike) street legal and registration's some flat fee of like $17 for anything in Arizona. Here in California you can not even make your new out of state car street legal. Not to mention the annual fees of several hundred dollars typically... Dan "Danny G."... > "Wickeddoll" >> "witfal" [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Dan Yup - that's why we claimed Florida residency (we're a military family) while we lived in California. Natalie "mack" ... > "Wickeddoll" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > me sing a song? It's called > "Daisy". Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer, do...." ROFL! Natalie > "mack" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Natalie Which then took me off on a tangent & thought of "Driving Miss Daisy". Maybe she could've used one. ;-) But then, the plot of the story would've gone down the drain... Cathy >> "EdV" < >> witfal [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > me sing a song? It's called > "Daisy". Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer, do...." Nice song! Far better than the New Age crap that most LIEbrawls whack off to. "sharx35" ... > "mack" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Nice song! Far better than the New Age crap that most LIEbrawls whack off > to. Um, Sharx - we're referring to a scene from "2001: A Space Odyssey" Natalie "mack" ... > "Wickeddoll" >> "EdV" < [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > me sing a song? It's called > "Daisy". Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer, do...." Speak of the devil: http://cagle.com/working/071220/sherffius21.jpg Natalie >> Slows it when the gas is hit for no reason? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And maybe sliding doors such that it doesn't hit the car parked beside > them. Don't get me started on those idiots. > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22329065/ > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Natalie Does it have a turn signal that keeps signalling left for at least five miles? That's mandatory on old fart cars, you know.  SignatureTegger "Tegger"... > "Wickeddoll" > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Does it have a turn signal that keeps signalling left for at least five > miles? That's mandatory on old fart cars, you know. And a Fedora to wear while driving. Natalie > "Tegger"... >> "Wickeddoll" [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Natalie A crash helmet might be a better idea. >> "Tegger"... >>> "Wickeddoll" [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > A crash helmet might be a better idea. And a defibrillator, to boot. Sharx--getting old enough to qualify. >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22329065/ >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Does it have a turn signal that keeps signalling left for at least five > miles? That's mandatory on old fart cars, you know. I don't know what bugs me more, the turn signals on all the time or the complete lack of using them. "Worn out Retread"... > "Tegger"... >> "Wickeddoll" : [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I don't know what bugs me more, the turn signals on all the time or the > complete lack of using them. Turn signals are apparently against the law in New England. Bet the bulb never burns out, because it's never used! Natalie > Toyota to make special cars for old-farts They already do. They haven't made an exciting car for a couple years now. "Hachiroku ????" Wickeddoll wrote: >> Toyota to make special cars for old-farts > > They already do. They haven't made an exciting car for a couple years now. Meee-yow Natalie >> Toyota to make special cars for old-farts > > They already do. They haven't made an exciting car for a couple years now. They used to compare the plain jane Japanese cars with the glamorous cars of General Motors as they would compare women. The Japanese cars were like your Aunt Emma, who could whip up a scrumptious dinner blindfolded, tuck you in at night, sweep the front stoop every morning and always saved ten bucks a week to put in the Christmas Club. She had a 50 inch waist and could fill a loveseat where she sat down, but she was always dependable. The GM cars were like a Hollywood star, with a gorgeous rear end, wasp waist and her front end made Jayne Mansfield look like a tubercular boy. She had dropped your engagement ring down the disposal, didn't know what a vacuum cleaner was, wondered what that funny little room in the house was for, with those big white boxes in there and a linoleum floor, and said that the bank was wrong to say her checking account was overdrawn, because she had plenty of checks left.... She was a dream in the bedroom, but couldn't get out of bed in the morning to make coffee. So after a while with the GM girl, you went home for a good meal and to get your laundry done at Aunt Emma's. >>> Toyota to make special cars for old-farts >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > So after a while with the GM girl, you went home for a good meal and to > get your laundry done at Aunt Emma's. Heh, that DOES apply to women, too. I've certainly observed some high maintenance ones. However, I have also observed some guys who spend much of the family budget on THEIR toys. > Heh, that DOES apply to women, too. I've certainly observed some high > maintenance ones. However, I have also observed some guys who spend much > of the family budget on THEIR toys. Yep, almost every day I see a huge pickup on a raised chassis with a trailer hauling a pair of ski-doos to the Colorado river and wonder if the guy driving isn't about six weeks away from having his house go into foreclosure proceedings. >> Heh, that DOES apply to women, too. I've certainly observed some high >> maintenance ones. However, I have also observed some guys who spend much [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > guy driving isn't about six weeks away from having his house go into > foreclosure proceedings. I find the financial condition of some of my clients to be absolutely incredible. One family has a family income of about $250,000....yet their net worth is far less than mine. Believe it, our income is a puny fraction of that. >> Toyota to make special cars for old-farts > > They already do. They haven't made an exciting car for a couple years now. I don't use my car for "excitement" it is just 4 wheels to get my a.s from point A to point B. The less exciting the ride the better. "Worn out Retread" ... > "Hachiroku ????" , Wickeddoll wrote: >>> Toyota to make special cars for old-farts >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I don't use my car for "excitement" it is just 4 wheels to get my a.s from > point A to point B. The less exciting the ride the better. *high-five* Natalie > "Worn out Retread" ... >> "Hachiroku ????" [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Natalie hmmm...wonder how you feel about your...never mind... "Hachiroku ????" , Wickeddoll wrote: >> "Worn out Retread" ... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > hmmm...wonder how you feel about your...never mind... Husband = excitement Car = transportation. Any questions? Natalie > "Hachiroku ????" > , Wickeddoll wrote: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Natalie No: *EVERYTHING*=excitement Why do you think I'm "Hachiroku"? "Hachiroku ????" , Wickeddoll wrote: >>>> "Worn out Retread" ... >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Why do you think I'm "Hachiroku"? Because you are in desperate need of a life? Natalie > "Hachiroku ????" > , Wickeddoll wrote: [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Natalie Now, now Natalie. Was THAT in the true spirit of the Solstice? "sharx35" ... > "Wickeddoll" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Now, now Natalie. Was THAT in the true spirit of the Solstice? Well, since I'm a not a pagan, I don't have any Solstice spirit. :-D The guy named himself after a *car*, Sharx! Roll that around in your head for a bit... Natalie > "sharx35" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > Natalie Are you suggesting that Hachi isn't operating on all cylinders? When Hachi said he was "bored", I assumed that he meant that nothing interested him. Little did I know that he was referring to some internal surgical procedures! Merry Christmas Natalie......and Hachi "sharx35" ... > "Wickeddoll" ... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > Little did I know that he was referring to some internal surgical > procedures! He's a complex case, indeed. > Merry Christmas Natalie......and Hachi backatcha! Natalie >> "sharx35" ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > Merry Christmas Natalie......and Hachi Bwahahaha! NO! I didn't say *I* was bored! I said I don't wnat to spend the 6-8 hours a day I spend in a car in a boring car! There are too many affrdable examples of cars that bring out the best in a driver to drive an appliance. Maybe for some, they don't care. But I spend a lot of time on nice, twisty backroads that I have all to myself. Why drive them in some stoic sedan when I can take one of my coupes and have some fun?! When I was driving 60 miles one way to go to work I often had the whole road to myself. This was when the 'hachiroku' was on the road and running quite well. At 5:30 AM doing 65-70 in a 50 a lot of the cops would *WAVE* at me as I drove by! They also knew that if I did get in any traffic I would slow down and play it safe. Yeah, that was fun! So much of our lives is drudgery. I like to have fun where I can and when I can, and driving is one of my favorite things. Maybe some people like driving their living room, but I like something that makes me feel ALIVE while I'm driving! Oh, and Merry Christmas to you, too! > "Hachiroku ????" > , Wickeddoll wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Natalie If'n I had any more of a life It'd probably kill me. "Hachiroku ????" Wickeddoll wrote: >>>>>> "Worn out Retread" ... >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > If'n I had any more of a life It'd probably kill me. No, them coffin-nails are gonna kill you :-P Natalie > "Hachiroku ????" > Wickeddoll wrote: [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Natalie Probably true. > "Worn out Retread" ... >> "Hachiroku ????" [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Natalie Right back at you. *high-five* >>> Toyota to make special cars for old-farts >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I don't use my car for "excitement" it is just 4 wheels to get my a.s from > point A to point B. The less exciting the ride the better. hmmm...wonder how you feel about your wife... >>>> Toyota to make special cars for old-farts >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > hmmm...wonder how you feel about your wife... How I feel about my car has absolutely nothing to do with how I feel about my wife or anything else for that matter....I have a life and the car is just a machine to get me around from place to place. >> hmmm...wonder how you feel about your wife... > > How I feel about my car has absolutely nothing to do with how I feel about > my wife or anything else for that matter....I have a life and the car is > just a machine to get me around from place to place. For the last 17 years I have spent about 2+ hours in a car, either getting to and from work, or *AS* work. I currently drive a minimum of 100 miles a day, and sometimes 200. Why would I want to do it in something boring? I like to have a little fun while I drive. I guess you could say I'm an 'enthusiast'. I like driving something a little more than just an engine with 4 seats and tires. Perhaps my driving skills are a little better than yours? "Hachiroku ????" Worn out Retread wrote: >>> hmmm...wonder how you feel about your wife... >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Perhaps my driving skills are a little better than yours? Probably not, since you're puffing away, while you're behind the wheel, chimney-man. :-P Natalie > "Hachiroku ????" > Worn out Retread wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Natalie Shoot, I can puff away, drink a coffee and talk on the phone, all at the same time. "Hachiroku ????" Retread wrote: >>>>> hmmm...wonder how you feel about your wife... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Shoot, I can puff away, drink a coffee and talk on the phone, all at the > same time. Then dump your ashtray in the parking lot... Natalie > "Hachiroku ????" > Retread wrote: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> Shoot, I can puff away, drink a coffee and talk on the phone, all at the >> same time. One of these days it'll be near the end of a month, & there'll be a cop... > Then dump your ashtray in the parking lot... OMG - I *hate* that. Gross, gross, gross. Cathy [who thinks driving a Prius would be fun. Practical, but fun. Driving my Corolla is practical, too, but boring - esp. since it's my 4th one in a row. My first one - the '84 liftback - was rather fun, though.] Both the Prius & Corolla would be reliable for getting from point A to point B, but one would be more fun. IMO. Because the one is a bit different.] > Natalie >>> Shoot, I can puff away, drink a coffee and talk on the phone, all at >>> the same time. > > One of these days it'll be near the end of a month, & there'll be a cop... The cops all know me... >> Then dump your ashtray in the parking lot... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Driving my Corolla is practical, too, but boring - esp. since it's my 4th > one in a row. My first one - the '84 liftback - was rather fun, though.] NOW you're talking. But I forget...you had the Corolla SR-5 version or the version that was also sold as a Nova (4-door)? The Corolla version (2-door) is almost the same as my Hachiroku, but with a carb'd engine and different suspension. >>>> Shoot, I can puff away, drink a coffee and talk on the phone, all at >>>> the same time. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The cops all know me... That used to be the case with me, too, when I was younger. >>> Then dump your ashtray in the parking lot... >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > (2-door) is almost the same as my Hachiroku, but with a carb'd engine and > different suspension. >>>>> Shoot, I can puff away, drink a coffee and talk on the phone, all at >>>>> the same time. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > That used to be the case with me, too, when I was younger. Um, I mean in a *GOOD* way!!!! ;) (I don't get too many breaks when I gots my 'racing shoes' on...) >>>> Shoot, I can puff away, drink a coffee and talk on the phone, all at >>>> the same time. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > (2-door) is almost the same as my Hachiroku, but with a carb'd engine and > different suspension. It was a 4-door. My first car - a '72 Plymouth Duster - was a 2-door, & I vowed to avoid 2-door deals after that. Doors were too heavy, back seat was a PITA to get stuff/people (get your mind out of the gutter!!) in & out of, etc. That Corolla liftback was also a bit different looking than the other cars on the road at the time (like the Prius, only less so) - maybe another reason I loved it. Besides its usefulness & reliability. Cathy >> NOW you're talking. But I forget...you had the Corolla SR-5 version or >> the version that was also sold as a Nova (4-door)? The Corolla version [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the other cars on the road at the time (like the Prius, only less so) - > maybe another reason I loved it. Besides its usefulness & reliability. That's what I thought. As far as people in the back seat, remember, I'm advocating FUN driving here, so what people in the back seat (try your two sisters-in-law in the back seat from Hartford to Toronto! But they were short girls and faired OK...). As far as stuff, most 2-doors are Hatchbacks, so the stuff goes in the rear...if there's room next to the stereo components... I *REALLY* like driving...! "Hachiroku ????" , Cathy F. wrote: >>> NOW you're talking. But I forget...you had the Corolla SR-5 version or >>> the version that was also sold as a Nova (4-door)? The Corolla version [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > I *REALLY* like driving...! We got that... Natalie >> That's what I thought. As far as people in the back seat, remember, I'm >> advocating FUN driving here, so what people in the back seat (try your [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Natalie What was the first clue? > "Hachiroku ????" > Retread wrote: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Natalie AAAAARGGGHH. No. There are already enough inDUHviduals who empty their ashtrays in public places, rather than spend a few seconds to use a waste container. "sharx35" ... > "Wickeddoll"... >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > ashtrays in public places, rather than spend a few seconds to use a waste > container. Hachi *admitted* doing that - guess you missed our tar-and-feathering of him for that. Natalie > "sharx35" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Natalie Ah, probably forgot it. The memory, you know! > "sharx35" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Natalie I did it ONCE a long, LONG time ago. That's not what I got tarred and feathered for... I don't *USE* my ashtray! "Hachiroku ????" >> "sharx35" ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > I don't *USE* my ashtray! That's actually WORSE, because you're moving! *heating up the tar* Natalie > "Hachiroku ????" >>> "sharx35" ... [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Natalie This DOES call for the denuding fork, too. >> "Hachiroku ????" >>>> "sharx35" ... [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > This DOES call for the denuding fork, too. ONLY if she wears the bikini! > "Hachiroku ????" >>> "sharx35" ... [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > Natalie I was hoping for the denuding fork, but you can ONLY use that if you're wearing a bikini.... "Hachiroku ????" < Wickeddoll wrote: >>>> "sharx35" ... >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > I was hoping for the denuding fork, but you can ONLY use that if you're > wearing a bikini.... Rules, rules, rules. Natalie >> "sharx35" ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > I don't *USE* my ashtray! Are one of those evil ones who simply flicks the cig out the window? Hey, Mr. GRINCH...we have some work for you on Christmas Eve.....!!!!!! >> I did it ONCE a long, LONG time ago. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Are one of those evil ones who simply flicks the cig out the window? Hey, > Mr. GRINCH...we have some work for you on Christmas Eve.....!!!!!! Seems to me Mark Digital mentioned something about this, too... >> "Hachiroku ????" >> Retread wrote: [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > ashtrays in public places, rather than spend a few seconds to use a waste > container. I saw a guy empty his ashtray in a parking lot one time and there was a cop right behind him....empty ashtray that had to be cleaned off of the parking lot and a ticket for littering. This got lots of laughs all round. >>> "Hachiroku ????" >>> Retread wrote: [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > cop right behind him....empty ashtray that had to be cleaned off of the > parking lot and a ticket for littering. This got lots of laughs all round. Cool. Hee, hee, hee. "Worn out Retread" ... > "sharx35" >> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > cop right behind him....empty ashtray that had to be cleaned off of the > parking lot and a ticket for littering. This got lots of laughs all round. PERFECT! Wish I'd seen that! Natalie > "Worn out Retread" ... >> "sharx35" [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > Natalie There was just the right cop for the job involved. He made sure that every last bit of ash was wiped up before he let the guy leave the parking lot. It was a real hoot. "Worn out Retread" >>> "sharx35" >>>> [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > last bit of ash was wiped up before he let the guy leave the parking lot. > It was a real hoot. Oh man, that's priceless! Natalie >>> "Hachiroku ????" >>> Retread wrote: [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > cop right behind him....empty ashtray that had to be cleaned off of the > parking lot and a ticket for littering. This got lots of laughs all round. I think I may have clapped - applause for the cop. :-) Cathy >>>> "Hachiroku ????" >>>> Retread wrote: [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Cathy On this, I'd have to agree...for change! > "Hachiroku ????" > Retread wrote: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Natalie Nope. "Hachiroku ????" Wickeddoll wrote: >> Retread wrote: >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Nope. You *admitted* that - right on this NG! Natalie > "Hachiroku ????" > Wickeddoll wrote: [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Natalie Once when I was 16 or so. What I got blasted for was NOT using the ashtray AT ALL!!!! It stinks up the car! >> "Hachiroku ????" >> Wickeddoll wrote: [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > It stinks up the car! That may well be..but to throw butts out the window, even IF fully extinguished, is to give the finger to the rest of us who like a clean environment. "sharx35" ... > "Hachiroku ????" Wickeddoll wrote: >>>>> Retread wrote: >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > extinguished, is to give the finger to the rest of us who like a clean > environment. Hear, hear! Natalie >>> "Hachiroku ????" >>> Wickeddoll wrote: [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > extinguished, is to give the finger to the rest of us who like a clean > environment. You'll never even see them. A lot of the time I smoke Camel Straights, and they disintegrate almost upon impact. >>>> "Hachiroku ????" >>>> Wickeddoll wrote: [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > You'll never even see them. A lot of the time I smoke Camel Straights, and > they disintegrate almost upon impact. Back in militia days, for filter cigs, we were taught to rip up the filters in a certain way so that "enemy" scouts couldn't find tell-tale evidence where we had been. On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:11:50 GMT, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote: >Once when I was 16 or so. What I got blasted for was NOT using the ashtray >AT ALL!!!! > >It stinks up the car! How the (heck) can you tell? You almost certainly stink worse than the ashtray, and your nose has gone on strike from smoke overload. Unless you are in a wind tunnel there's no way to smoke cigarettes and not end up immediately identifiable by smell from 50 feet downwind. I never realized how good we have it in California till I took a trip to Las Vegas, where smokers can still light up wherever they want. Walk in the front door of the restaurant, hit the brown cloud rolling out of the bar (and right into the "Non-Smoking Section") and start wheezing, turn around and walk right back out. If you want to commit slow suicide, please leave me out of it. Use the ashtray instead of flicking it out the window - around here that gets you a $100-plus ticket, they start brush fires. And when you empty the ashtray, do it into a trash can. --<< Bruce >>-- "Bruce L. Bergman" Hachiroku ???? <> > wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > start wheezing, turn around and walk right back out. If you want to > commit slow suicide, please leave me out of it. I'm in North Carolina - tobacco is the main crop, so there are very few smoke-free places, but it's getting better. Having said that, I do think people should be able to smoke in bars and nightclubs. Just not sit-down restaurants. > Use the ashtray instead of flicking it out the window - around here > that gets you a $100-plus ticket, they start brush fires. And when > you empty the ashtray, do it into a trash can. > > --<< Bruce >>-- Hey, good luck with that. He says his Camels disintegrate quickly. Natalie > "Bruce L. Bergman" > Hachiroku ???? <> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Natalie Out in the bush, a fully extinguished NON-filter cigarette, will quickly disappear. However, in most cities, runoff from sidewalks, streets, parking lots, etc. goes directly into the storm sewer system and STRAIGHT to a stream, river or ocean. Storm water is seldom filtered or treated. So, the LESS crap put on the streets, the better. "sharx35"... > "Wickeddoll" >> "Bruce L. Bergman" [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > to a stream, river or ocean. Storm water is seldom filtered or treated. > So, the LESS crap put on the streets, the better. And it *looks* nasty. Natalie >> I never realized how good we have it in California till I took a >> trip to Las Vegas, where smokers can still light up wherever they want. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > people should be able to smoke in bars and nightclubs. Just not sit-down > restaurants. Thanks! Here in Mass the no-smoking in bars BS has killed the 'entertainment' indutry. You can still get hired at a reduced rate and play to 5 people. >>Once when I was 16 or so. What I got blasted for was NOT using the >>ashtray AT ALL!!!! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > you are in a wind tunnel there's no way to smoke cigarettes and not end up > immediately identifiable by smell from 50 feet downwind. LOL! 5 degrees below zero...if a cigarette's lit, the window's down. > I never realized how good we have it in California till I took a > trip to Las Vegas, where smokers can still light up wherever they want. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > --<< Bruce >>-- >> "Hachiroku ????" >> Worn out Retread wrote: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Shoot, I can puff away, drink a coffee and talk on the phone, all at the > same time. Yes...but not drive safely. >>> "Hachiroku ????" >>> Worn out Retread wrote: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> > Yes...but not drive safely. I ALWAYS drive safely! Beats the time I saw a girl dancing in her car, foot on the brake coming to a line of stopped cars, no hands on the wheel... >>>> "Hachiroku ????" >>>> Worn out Retread wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Beats the time I saw a girl dancing in her car, foot on the brake coming > to a line of stopped cars, no hands on the wheel... Heh, heh. I INTEND to always drive safely. In reality, it might be a tad under 100%. >>>>> "Hachiroku ????" >>>>> Worn out Retread wrote: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Heh, heh. I INTEND to always drive safely. In reality, it might be a tad > under 100%. A lot of us do. However, some of us just don't have the BRAINPOWER for that! I can pay attention to about three things at once, no problem. Beyond that I get lost. So, while driving, I drive and drink coffee, or drive and talk on the phone (this DOES take some learning!! Practice on an empty road!) or drive and smoke. Driving and smoking and talking on the phone is about the limit, but when the phone rings I usually throw the butt out the window (uh-oh...here it comes...). However, if I'm driving one of my more 'exciting' cars, especially with my 'racing shoes' on, I have more of a tendancy to ignore the other things and pay a lot more attention to driving. >>> "Hachiroku ????" >>> Worn out Retread wrote: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> > Yes...but not drive safely. (I'm exaggerating...slightly...) >>>> "Hachiroku ????" >>>> Worn out Retread wrote: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > (I'm exaggerating...slightly...) Well, I have to admit that sometimes I drive while distracted. Not a good idea. > Perhaps my driving skills are a little better than yours? It's been my experience that most, or at least many, of those who condemn driving fun vehicles are of lower skill levels. "witfal" < , Hachiroku ???? said: >> Perhaps my driving skills are a little better than yours? > > It's been my experience that most, or at least many, of those who condemn > driving fun vehicles are of lower skill levels. Probably true, since most of us don't have *time* to use "fun" vehicles, as a rule. Natalie > "witfal" < > , Hachiroku ???? said: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Probably true, since most of us don't have *time* to use "fun" vehicles, as > a rule. I did say MOST, but certainly not all. And you might be on to something with that analysis. I'll be in the <sniff> Bimmer. ;-) "witfal" "Wickeddoll" >> , Hachiroku ???? said: >>>> Perhaps my driving skills are a little better than yours? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I did say MOST, but certainly not all. And you might be on to something > with that analysis. Heh - well, we need it to get to our jobs, but I'm sure we hope a car will be fun to drive. Our old Corolla FX 16 certainly was. My 2000 Echo is no slouch, either. VVTi is cool! :-) > I'll be in the <sniff> Bimmer. ;-) I forget - is that the motorcycle or the car? Natalie, running like hell >> I did say MOST, but certainly not all. And you might be on to something >> with that analysis. > > Heh - well, we need it to get to our jobs, but I'm sure we hope a car will > be fun to drive. Our old Corolla FX 16 certainly was. Yup. Sure was. GRRRRRR.... >> I'll be in the <sniff> Bimmer. ;-) > > I forget - is that the motorcycle or the car? > > Natalie, running like hell <g> > "witfal" < > , Hachiroku ???? said: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Natalie What difference does that make? Hey, I had the Honda Accord and the Dodge Caravan and the Corolla 4-door, but I also had the GT-S and an SR-5. If you're going to have 2 cars, make ONE of them worthwhile! For going to and from work for one person, nothing beats an MR2. > For going to and from work for one person, nothing beats an MR2. For a Toyota, that is. >> For going to and from work for one person, nothing beats an MR2. > > For a Toyota, that is. This is a TOYOTA newsgroup, you know, NOT a BMW one. >>> For going to and from work for one person, nothing beats an MR2. >> >> For a Toyota, that is. > > This is a TOYOTA newsgroup, you know, NOT a BMW one. Somewhere above there must be me comparing a BMW with an MR2, but I just don't see it. >>>> For going to and from work for one person, nothing beats an MR2. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Somewhere above there must be me comparing a BMW with an MR2, but I just > don't see it. And a hearty BAH Humbug and the best in 2008! >>>>> For going to and from work for one person, nothing beats an MR2. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > And a hearty BAH Humbug and the best in 2008! And to you as well, sir. Here's hoping for an Osama victory in the primaries. ;-) >>>> For going to and from work for one person, nothing beats an MR2. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Somewhere above there must be me comparing a BMW with an MR2, but I just > don't see it. You're right. There is no comparison! The Toyota spends it's time on the road, the BMW spends it's time on the lift! ;) "Hachiroku ????" witfal wrote: "sharx35" >>>>> For going to and from work for one person, nothing beats an MR2. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > You're right. There is no comparison! The Toyota spends it's time on the > road, the BMW spends it's time on the lift! ;) Oh boy... Natalie >>> This is a TOYOTA newsgroup, you know, NOT a BMW one. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You're right. There is no comparison! The Toyota spends it's time on the > road, the BMW spends it's time on the lift! ;) I'm the antithesis to that scenario. Our Camry has spent more time in the shop, with more replacement parts, than both of our BMWs together. "witfal" <nospam@all4.me> wrote in message Hachiroku ????said: >>>> This is a TOYOTA newsgroup, you know, NOT a BMW one. >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I'm the antithesis to that scenario. Our Camry has spent more time in the > shop, with more replacement parts, than both of our BMWs together. Wow, I thought it was the Avalon that sucked. Natalie > "witfal" <nospam@all4.me> wrote in message > Hachiroku ????said: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Wow, I thought it was the Avalon that sucked. No brand is perfect. Our Camry has been certainly less than. I sold my 2002 BMW 530i several months ago, with about 60K on the odo. That vehicle was about as flawless as anything I've ever owned. It just wasn't what I wanted. Too big. The Camry is my wife's work vehicle. It's got almost 210K on the odometer, with the engine itself (no peripherals) being the only thing that hasn't been replaced at least once. The worst was the tranny at 107K, and we never, ever missed any scheduled maintenance. "witfal" "Wickeddoll" >> Hachiroku ????said: >>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > that hasn't been replaced at least once. The worst was the tranny at > 107K, and we never, ever missed any scheduled maintenance. Well, at least you didn't get the-word-I-will-not-use-and-get-the-whiners-going. Natalie >>> I'm the antithesis to that scenario. Our Camry has spent more time in >>> the shop, with more replacement parts, than both of our BMWs together. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > was about as flawless as anything I've ever owned. It just wasn't what I > wanted. Too big. WHAT?!?!?! I got to drive one of those a couple years ago. What a nice car, and decent examples can be had for $20K or less. Smaller than my Chrysler LHS, but handled better than the Supra (about the same size, give or take). NICE. I still miss my LHS. That was a nice car, and handled almost as well as the Celica GTS I had a couple years ago. >> No brand is perfect. Our Camry has been certainly less than. I sold my >> 2002 BMW 530i several months ago, with about 60K on the odo. That vehicle [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Chrysler LHS, but handled better than the Supra (about the same size, give > or take). NICE. It was a great car and handled well for its size, particularly with the Dinan suspension. But I tried to make it into what I should have purchased to begin with. A 5 series is never going to handle like an E36 M3. The really interesting thing about BMW engines is how 225 hp feels like so much MORE than other brands. But it's a little short in a 3600 pound vehicle. >>>> This is a TOYOTA newsgroup, you know, NOT a BMW one. >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I'm the antithesis to that scenario. Our Camry has spent more time in the > shop, with more replacement parts, than both of our BMWs together. That is a shame. My first wife is on her third tranny (who at BMW ever got the idea of putting GM ATs in a Bimmer should be shot. What ever happened to Getrag?) >>> You're right. There is no comparison! The Toyota spends it's time on the >>> road, the BMW spends it's time on the lift! ;) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the idea of putting GM ATs in a Bimmer should be shot. What ever happened > to Getrag?) Our current BMW has a French-made GM licensed tranny. It's been flawless, as was the German-made version in the 5. They're fine as long as you don't take the "lifetime" fluid claim seriously. Service them every 40-50K, and you'll get a good service life. Internally it's the same tranny you'll find in many vehicles from different countries. >> For going to and from work for one person, nothing beats an MR2. > >For a Toyota, that is. Here's the Toyota _I_ want: <http://www.elisecentral.com/> >>> For going to and from work for one person, nothing beats an MR2. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > <http://www.elisecentral.com/> One horse for every ten pounds of curb weight? Oh, yeah. That ought to be (sorry Natalie) fun. "witfal"... "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)" Hachiroku ???? >>>> For going to and from work for one person, nothing beats an MR2. >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > That ought to be (sorry Natalie) fun. BOYS Natalie >>> For going to and from work for one person, nothing beats an MR2. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > <http://www.elisecentral.com/> This summer I had the choice of driving an Esprit or riding in an Elise. *RIDING?!?!?!* Forget it! I chose the Esprit! If there had been more time on the owner's part I would have ridden in the Elise (Actually, it was an Exige) but he was working at the time. >> For going to and from work for one person, nothing beats an MR2. > > For a Toyota, that is. <AHEM!> That what this NG is!!! >>> For going to and from work for one person, nothing beats an MR2. >> >> For a Toyota, that is. > > <AHEM!> That what this NG is!!! Does my son's 1986 AE86 count? Too bad he got hit. 'Twas fun to drive. >>>> For going to and from work for one person, nothing beats an MR2. >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Does my son's 1986 AE86 count? Too bad he got hit. 'Twas fun to drive. Did you ever mention before your son had a Hachiroku? (I think you did a long time ago...) Where is it? Is it gone? I could use some parts... >>>> For a Toyota, that is. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Did you ever mention before your son had a Hachiroku? (I think you did a > long time ago...) I've never mentioned it. It just never came up until the "fun" vehicle thread started. > Where is it? Is it gone? I could use some parts... Long gone. He drives a Tacoma now. His drifting days are over as he needs a truck to carry his mountain bikes. >>> hmmm...wonder how you feel about your wife... >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Perhaps my driving skills are a little better than yours? No, you only think that they are and then put everyone else in jeopardy by driving foolishly. If you need excitement in the car hire a driver and find a willing young lady to share the back seat with. >>>> hmmm...wonder how you feel about your wife... >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > driving foolishly. If you need excitement in the car hire a driver and > find a willing young lady to share the back seat with. I never drive foolishly. There's a difference between driving 'spiritedly' and driving like an a-hole. I save my antics for open roads with little traffic and never exceed the limits of the car. >>>>> hmmm...wonder how you feel about your wife... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > and driving like an a-hole. I save my antics for open roads with little > traffic and never exceed the limits of the car. With the number of single car accidents in this area where it was a miracle that no one other than the driver was hurt it shows that far too many people think that they can drive better than they actually can. They only find out that they are not so hot when they and their car are peeled off of a tree or telephone pole. "Worn out Retread" ... > "Hachiroku ????" >>>>>> hmmm...wonder how you feel about your wife... [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > only find out that they are not so hot when they and their car are peeled > off of a tree or telephone pole. Yup - that reminds me of a young male patient who hit a tree with his truck. He refused to see a doctor at the time of the accident, but came to see us about a week later, because his neck was sore. Well, it turns out he had not just a fractured (cracked) neck, but a *broken* one! The orthopedic surgeon said that if he had moved his neck even *slightly* the wrong way (while sleeping, even), he would have died nearly instantly! So, that's a good lesson in being checked out after an accident, even if you think you're "fine"... Natalie >> I never drive foolishly. There's a difference between driving >> 'spiritedly' and driving like an a-hole. I save my antics for open roads [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > miracle that no one other than the driver was hurt it shows that far too > many people think that they can drive better than they actually can. You said "think". I know. Basic driver's course. Advanced Driver's course Defensive dirver's course Same kind of training State Police get. And I know my limitations and never approach the car's limits. And my driving record and abundance of un-bent non-boring cars proves it. "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message news:QIFaj.22885$1R1.20116@trndny02... >> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> >> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > hmmm...wonder how you feel about your > wife... LOL Toyota to make special car for old-fart to get his a.s from point A to point B. "Danny G." ... > "Hachiroku ????" >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Toyota to make special car for old-fart to get his a.s from point A to > point B. Works for me. Natalie > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22329065/ > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Natalie As far as I can see, that should be standard equipment on all cars. A test for impairment should be added at the same time to keep impaired drivers off the road. > >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22329065/ > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > for impairment should be added at the same time to keep impaired drivers off > the road. Most impaired drivers are just given a handicap tag for parking space. Some cities offer free bus rides to elderly people so they wont have to drive anymore. >> >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22329065/ >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Some cities offer free bus rides to elderly people so they wont have > to drive anymore. I've never heard of that. Most impaired drivers around here are when caught thrown in jail, have their drivers licence suspended and their cars impounded for a time. The rest of them are just plain hazards on the road. Driving is hazardous enough without having to dodge the drunks and drug addicts who are behind the wheel. To top it off, not every place has public transportation. "Worn out Retread" ... > "EdV" ... >>> "Wickeddoll" ... [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > To top it off, not every place has public transportation. Yup - and even the ones that do have public transportation, have lousy routes. Hours between pickup/drop-off. Most people need something timelier than that. Natalie > "Worn out Retread" ... >> "EdV" ... [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Natalie It seems that public transportation is a hap-hazard schedule from nowhere to no place. "Worn out Retread"... > "Wickeddoll" >> "Worn out Retread" ... >>> "EdV" ... [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > It seems that public transportation is a hap-hazard schedule from nowhere > to no place. Depends on where you are, though. Orlando and especially Denver, have fantastic bus service. Very short wait times for the next bus, and they go way out of the city. At least they used to, when I used them in the 70s and 80s, respectively. Natalie > "Worn out Retread"... >> "Wickeddoll" >> "Worn out Retread" ... [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Natalie Well, where I live it is about 40 miles to the nearest bus stop. >> "Worn out Retread"... >>> "Wickeddoll" >> "Worn out Retread" ... [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >> Natalie > Well, where I live it is about 40 miles to the nearest bus stop. I'd have to take a Greyhound to get to where I need to be. >>> >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22329065/ >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > To top it off, not every place has public transportation. Too f.cking bad. Maybe if the potential drunk driver THOUGHT about all the walking or biking that he/she would be doing they wouldn't drive drunk???!!! >>>> >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22329065/ >>>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > walking or biking that he/she would be doing they wouldn't drive > drunk???!!! Agreed! plus, t he cost of the fines, attorney's fees, and a monumental jump in insurance rates, I've heard, can be as much as 10 Grand for a first offense. Being as tight with a buck as I am, I wouldn't even have a glass of O'Doul's before driving! > To top it off, not every place has public transportation. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Being as tight with a buck as I am, I wouldn't even have a glass of O'Doul's > before driving! Agreed. Have a limit. You're driving? One drink. And you wait at least one hour before getting behind the wheel AFTER you finish completely. Want more? Take a cab or stay home. >>>>> >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22329065/ >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Being as tight with a buck as I am, I wouldn't even have a glass of > O'Doul's before driving! Alas, I speak from personal experience--27 plus years ago. It was a PITA back then to get caught--with penalities a lot less back then. >>>> >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22329065/ >>>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > walking or biking that he/she would be doing they wouldn't drive > drunk???!!! The trouble is that when someone is impaired, they are not thinking and if they are it isn't very useful thinking. "Worn out Retread" ... > "sharx35" .. >>> "EdV" < [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > The trouble is that when someone is impaired, they are not thinking and if > they are it isn't very useful thinking. Exactly - impaired means they have bad judgment, as well as really bad motor skills. Natalie On Dec 21, 1:00 pm, "Wickeddoll" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1...@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Worn out Retread" ... > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > - Show quoted text - The best way to deal with senior drivers, especially as us boomers approach and get beyond 65, is to set up testing to get a baseline of motor skills, responses, eyesight, etc at 60. Then test seniors at 65, 70, 75, 80 and beyond. If the results get worse - take their licenses. With all us boomers it will look like a demolition derby out there. <edspyhill01@yahoo.com> "Wickeddoll" wrote: > "Worn out Retread" ... > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > - Show quoted text - The best way to deal with senior drivers, especially as us boomers approach and get beyond 65, is to set up testing to get a baseline of motor skills, responses, eyesight, etc at 60. Then test seniors at 65, 70, 75, 80 and beyond. If the results get worse - take their licenses. With all us boomers it will look like a demolition derby out there. espy I totally agree - but you have the seniors groups who will fight that tooth and nail. This is a good example of why watching seniors more closely is a good idea: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22348532/ Natalie >>>>> >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22329065/ >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > The trouble is that when someone is impaired, they are not thinking and if > they are it isn't very useful thinking. Well, weren't they CAPABLE of thinking BEFORE the FIRST drink? "sharx35" > "Worn out Retread" ... >>>> "EdV" [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Well, weren't they CAPABLE of thinking BEFORE the FIRST drink? Oh, come on - you know that people, especially young people, think they can overcome anything. They think "I can handle a couple more drinks." They're wrong, of course. Natalie > "sharx35" >> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Natalie Been there, done that, got the DWI's....... >>>>>> >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22329065/ >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Well, weren't they CAPABLE of thinking BEFORE the FIRST drink? Their capabilities go down very quickly from there. I personally have no sympathy for them. A new program has started here in Ontario where drivers are being pulled over during the morning rush hour to have a breathalyser test....drivers are still drunk from the night before. This should have been done years ago. >>>>>>> "Wickeddoll" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1...@yahoo.com> wrote in >>>>>>> message [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > are still drunk from the night before. This should have been done years > ago. Yeah, I remember going to work with still part of a load on...a LONG time ago. "sharx35" ... > "Worn out Retread... >>>>>> "EdV" [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > Yeah, I remember going to work with still part of a load on...a LONG time > ago. Damn, that takes some power-drinking! I have never been drunk in my life - just didn't ever look like fun. I've been buzzed, but that's it. Natalie The only thing drunk driving laws have accomplished is stopping most of the social drinkers from driving. Ask any cop and they will tell you the real drunks are still driving and teh only differance is they are now driving uninsured and unlicensed. One cop told me he arrested a drunk who he know was suspended until 2034. Since he has never been in an accident or convicted of a moving violation, the only thing happened was the judge added $10 to the monthly amount he is paying to pay off his accumulated fines and court costs. >>>>> "Wickeddoll" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> Too f.cking bad. Maybe if the potential drunk driver THOUGHT about all >> the walking or biking that he/she would be doing they wouldn't drive >> drunk???!!! > > The trouble is that when someone is impaired, they are not thinking and if > they are it isn't very useful thinking. > The only thing drunk driving laws have accomplished is stopping most of the > social drinkers from driving. Ask any cop and they will tell you the real [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the only thing happened was the judge added $10 to the monthly amount he is > paying to pay off his accumulated fines and court costs. In my state, repeat drunk drivers go to prison, not jail. > >>>>> "Wickeddoll" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > The trouble is that when someone is impaired, they are not thinking and if > > they are it isn't very useful thinking. Signature"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the president." Hillary Clinton >> The only thing drunk driving laws have accomplished is stopping most of >> the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > In my state, repeat drunk drivers go to prison, not jail. What happens if they are caught driving sober, while suspended? >> >>>>> "Wickeddoll" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1...@yahoo.com> wrote in >> >>>>> message [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> > if >> > they are it isn't very useful thinking. > >> The only thing drunk driving laws have accomplished is stopping most of > >> the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > What happens if they are caught driving sober, while suspended? When I get time I'll look it up, but I'm pretty sure they will go to the slammer. There has been some high profile cases where a person has been caught numerous times for drunk driving, getting off or with just a fine, repeating the offense and killing some innocent person while drunk driving yet once again. The people said ENOUGH! Now the state is much tougher on repeat drunk drivers. > >> >>> .. > >> >>>>> "Wickeddoll" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1...@yahoo.com> wrote in [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >> > if > >> > they are it isn't very useful thinking. Signature"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the president." Hillary Clinton >>> The only thing drunk driving laws have accomplished is stopping most of >>> the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > What happens if they are caught driving sober, while suspended? Send them to jail to serve the sentence that they should have received in the first place. > The only thing drunk driving laws have accomplished is stopping most of > the social drinkers from driving. Ask any cop and they will tell you the > real drunks are still driving and teh only differance is they are now > driving uninsured and unlicensed. This seems to be exactly what it is like now, here in Alberta. Since there are few or no statutes of limitations in Canada, I can't discuss my personal knowledge, back 30 years ago, about such things. I will say, though, that it was far cheaper to bugger off if you were drunk and in an accident as the fines for Leaving the Scene were far less than for DWI or, as we call it in Canada, "Impaired Driving". > One cop told me he arrested a drunk who he know was suspended until 2034. > Since he has never been in an accident or convicted of a moving violation, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> The trouble is that when someone is impaired, they are not thinking and >> if they are it isn't very useful thinking. > The only thing drunk driving laws have accomplished is stopping most of > the social drinkers from driving. Ask any cop and they will tell you the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the only thing happened was the judge added $10 to the monthly amount he > is paying to pay off his accumulated fines and court costs. The only things that drunk driving laws have shown is that we have lousy weenies for judges. Pull someone over for driving drunk, send the car to the car compacter and the drunk to jail for several years.....second offence....he never gets out. > The only thing drunk driving laws have accomplished is stopping most of the > social drinkers from driving. Gee. The only thing? That is a big thing. IIRC, the death rate from drunk drivers went down, as did the total number of drivers driving drunk. > Ask any cop and they will tell you the real > drunks are still driving and teh only differance is they are now driving > uninsured and unlicensed. Or they are not driving at all. Different states have different drunk driving laws. > One cop told me he arrested a drunk who he know was suspended until 2034. > Since he has never been in an accident or convicted of a moving violation, > the only thing happened was the judge added $10 to the monthly amount he is > paying to pay off his accumulated fines and court costs. In some states, there are more effective penalties. IMHO, repeat offenders should have their cars taken away, too. Jeff >>>>>> "Wickeddoll" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> The trouble is that when someone is impaired, they are not thinking and if >> they are it isn't very useful thinking. "Worn out Retread" ... > "Wickeddoll"... >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22329065/ [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > for impairment should be added at the same time to keep impaired drivers > off the road. Actually, Toyota is trying to develop a car that has a built-in Breathalyzer - if you flunk, it won't start. Natalie > "Worn out Retread" ... >> "Wickeddoll"... [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Natalie That would be a very good idea in this county. Driving at night is very hazardous due to drunk drivers. > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22329065/ > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Natalie How long will it be before ... Hello, Mrs. Strtickland? This is your husband's car. I'm parked in front of Hooters. 14 people honked at him in the 8 miles from your house, he made 2 dozen lane changes, and had O'Reilley on the radio the whole way. Uh oh, he's coming back. I'll call you again next time he parks ... Bye. Gotta go. "Jeff Strickland" ... > "Wickeddoll" ... >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22329065/ [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Bye. Gotta go. ROFLMAO I wish... Natalie >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22329065/ > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Natalie Too funny. ;-) whitefordtruck@gmail.com |
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