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Wickeddoll - 21 Dec 2007 02:01 GMT
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22349593/

Natalie
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 21 Dec 2007 07:31 GMT
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22349593/
>
> Natalie

Which leads to this article:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22246457/
Wickeddoll - 21 Dec 2007 17:59 GMT
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" ,

>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22349593/
>>
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>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22246457/

Er...okay.

Natalie
Wickeddoll - 21 Dec 2007 18:33 GMT
"Wickeddoll" ...

> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" ,
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>
> Natalie

http://cagle.com/working/071220/beeler.gif

Natalie
JoeSpareBedroom - 21 Dec 2007 19:28 GMT
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22349593/
>
> Natalie

I wonder how many of those same lawmakers were outraged when Cheney crafted
energy legislation using pals from the electric utilities, and refused to
divulge their identities until the courts got all over his case. He actually
classified the information.
witfal - 21 Dec 2007 19:31 GMT
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22349593/
>>
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> divulge their identities until the courts got all over his case. He actually
> classified the information.

Probably no more than were outraged when Clinton relaxed export
controls for Loral Corp., enabling them to use Chinese boosters to lob
their sats into orbit, thereby helping the Chinese accurize their ICBMs
via the "shared" technology.
JoeSpareBedroom - 21 Dec 2007 19:36 GMT
>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22349593/
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> into orbit, thereby helping the Chinese accurize their ICBMs via the
> "shared" technology.

Yep.
witfal - 21 Dec 2007 19:37 GMT
>>> I wonder how many of those same lawmakers were outraged when Cheney
>>> crafted
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>
> Yep.

Good answer. <g>
JoeSpareBedroom - 21 Dec 2007 19:49 GMT
>>>> I wonder how many of those same lawmakers were outraged when Cheney
>>>> crafted
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>
> Good answer. <g>

They all make policy based on the needs of industry, and to make sure there
are favors waiting for them if they leave politics. Did you ever read the
drug war article I posted for you on 12/10? There were no responses to the
message, so I suspect it got lost. It's an excellent article that takes
shots at both political parties.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/17438347/how_america_lost_the_war_on_drugs

Example:

No one is sure what convinced President Clinton to approve such an ambitious
escalation in the War on Drugs. But some observers at the time speculated
that the critical factor was a conversation with Sen. Christopher Dodd, the
Connecticut Democrat, whose state is home to the helicopter manufacturer
Sikorsky Aircraft. In early 2000, Clinton unveiled Plan Colombia - and
Sikorksy promptly received an order for eighteen of its Blackhawk
helicopters at a cost of $15 million each. "Much has been made of the notion
that this was Dodd looking to sell Blackhawks to Colombia," Beers tells me.
He pauses before adding, "I am not in a position to tell you it didn't
happen."
witfal - 21 Dec 2007 20:09 GMT
>>>> Probably no more than were outraged when Clinton relaxed export controls
>>>> for Loral Corp., enabling them to use Chinese boosters to lob their sats
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> They all make policy based on the needs of industry, and to make sure there
> are favors waiting for them if they leave politics.

Best example of that in recent memory is Hazel O'Leary.

>  Did you ever read the
> drug war article I posted for you on 12/10? There were no responses to the
> message, so I suspect it got lost. It's an excellent article that takes
> shots at both political parties.
>
> http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/17438347/how_america_lost_the_war_on_drugs

Example:

No

> one is sure what convinced President Clinton to approve such an ambitious
> escalation in the War on Drugs. But some observers at the time speculated
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> He pauses before adding, "I am not in a position to tell you it didn't
> happen."

Mea culpa.  I did read it, and forgot to comment.  The example you
supplied reminds me of LBJ's wife, Lady Byrd (sp?).  She owned quite a
bit of Bell stock who, I'm sure you know, made the choppers being
downed left and right in Viet Nam.  Wonderful.

Even William F. Buckley, a conservative for those in the Tampa area, is
against the war on drugs as it's being fought.  He's smart enough to
see the futility and waste, all done for political gain and favoritism.

Have a look at similar goings-on in the state of the "distinguished"
Sen. Robert Byrd
 
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