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Corolla's cool but could be better equipped
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C. E. White - 27 Dec 2007 14:04 GMT Corolla's cool but could be better equipped
Mark Rechtin Automotive News December 24, 2007 - 12:01 am ET
DURHAM, N.C. - Toyota needed an extra year to redesign the Corolla because too many engineers were tied up on other projects. The long wait for the new Corolla raised expectations. But while some of the changes are impressive, the effect of cost cutting is apparent in several key places.
The redesigned 2009 Corolla goes on sale in February, and it's no ordinary debut. This is, after all, the No. 3 selling car in the land when paired with its five-door variant, the Matrix.
The Corolla/Matrix, now in their sixth year on the market, outsell the Ford Focus, Chevrolet Cobalt and all their variants combined.
In 2006, Corolla/Matrix sales rose 13.5 percent to 387,388. Through November of this year, sales are running 4.2 percent behind 2006. Loyalty is strong. One out of every three buyers replaces a Corolla with another one.
The basics: The wheelbase and length are about the same as the old Corolla, but U.S. product planners managed to get 2.4 inches more width for the new edition. That's a big deal, since Japan typically has the final say. In the past, home market width regulations have constricted the car's girth.
Designing a much wider Corolla for a foreign market means Toyota no longer is building a world car with slight regional variations. A different width means different assembly procedures for the North American version. Notable features: U.S. buyers will have a choice of two engines: a 1.8-liter with a four-speed automatic for better fuel economy and a 2.4-liter with a five-speed automatic for more performance. A five-speed stick shift will still be available with both engines.
The base Corolla features 15-inch wheels, a trip computer, air conditioning, a purse hook, intermittent wipers, daytime running lights, remote keyless locks, a tilt/telescoping steering wheel, upper and lower glove boxes and a four-speaker CD audio system with iPod jack.
All versions have six airbags, antilock brakes, brake assist, traction control and a vehicle stability control system that can be deactivated.
More power, space
2009 Corolla 2008 Corolla Wheelbase 102.4 in. 102.4 in. Length 178.7 in. 178.3 in. Width 69.3 in. 66.9 in. Height 57.7 in. 58.3 in. Base engine 1.8-liter I-4 1.8-liter I-4 Horsepower 132@6k rpm 126@6k rpm Torque lb-ft.128@4.4k rpm 122@4.2k rpm Opt. engine 2.4l 158 hp n/a Curb weight 2,723 lbs. 2,530 lbs. Base price TBA $15,065* On sale February Now *Includes shipping
What Toyota says: "This required a complete departure from the traditional and convervative influence of the Japan domestic market, the previously sacred ground, to a style that was youthful and sporty and far more European," Shinichi Yasui, Corolla's chief engineer, said at the media introduction here. "We focused on specific top-class aspects from each region from the beginning."
Compromises and shortcomings: The standard rear drum brakes, base four-speed automatic transmission and Stone Age rear suspension are all cost-cutting casualties when compared to the better-equipped Honda Civic and Mazda3. To get uprated parts on the Corolla, a shopper must get the top trim level. The car gained nearly 200 pounds in the redesign.
The market: Toyota hopes the new Corolla and Matrix will sell about 360,000 units next year as sales ramp up, with the Corolla taking about 80 percent of the total. The company expects to reach 380,000 to 390,000 in 2009 and beyond.
Nearly 25 percent of Corolla buyers are over 60 years old. With the 2009's styling, Toyota aims to capture more youth buyers.
The skinny: That new styling indeed may attract younger buyers, but the 2009 Corolla still is more conservative than the Civic and Mazda3. And young buyers compare specification charts. They'll see where the Corolla comes up short. It seems Toyota's value and performance camps were at war in creating this car.
EdV - 27 Dec 2007 16:48 GMT > Corolla's cool but could be better equipped > [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > short. It seems Toyota's value and performance camps were at war in creating > this car. Based on the photos alone, the only thing I don't like is the styling of the rear. Its still the same as the 2008 corolla. Not a complete redesign of the exterior. Maybe its cost cutting and save on tooling of plastic parts
Ray O - 27 Dec 2007 17:56 GMT >> Corolla's cool but could be better equipped >> [quoted text clipped - 112 lines] > redesign of the exterior. Maybe its cost cutting and save on tooling > of plastic parts Designing and marketing a car is a tricky business. Auto enthusiasts and car buff magazines like more advanced features like independent rear suspension, double wishbone front suspension, 4 wheel disc brakes, etc. but the majority of the car buying public has no idea what that stuff is and don't care whether a car has it. The average car buyer cares about style, performance, fuel economy, comfort, safety, content, reliability, and utility. The automakers want to make money selling their cars, and no other automaker, regardless of technical sophistication of their products, is as good at making money as Toyota is. It looks like Toyota is going after the larger population of average car buyer with the new Corolla and is willing to let Honda and Mazda have more of the niche buyers.
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Cathy F. - 27 Dec 2007 19:01 GMT > Corolla's cool but could be better equipped > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > is building a world car with slight regional variations. A different width > means different assembly procedures for the North American version. It also means it'll be more difficult to fit into the tiny parking spaces it can now fit into... Boo, hiss, IMO.
> Notable features: U.S. buyers will have a choice of two engines: a > 1.8-liter with a four-speed automatic for better fuel economy and a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > All versions have six airbags, Side curtain bags in the mix, then?
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antilock brakes, brake assist, traction
> control and a vehicle stability control system that can be deactivated. > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > comes up short. It seems Toyota's value and performance camps were at war > in creating this car. Ray O - 27 Dec 2007 22:41 GMT <snipped>>
>> The basics: The wheelbase and length are about the same as the old >> Corolla, but U.S. product planners managed to get 2.4 inches more width [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It also means it'll be more difficult to fit into the tiny parking spaces > it can now fit into... Boo, hiss, IMO. If the wheelbase and length are about the same, then it should be able to fit in the same parking spaces as the current model. More width shouldn't make it harder to park.
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>> All versions have six airbags, > > Side curtain bags in the mix, then? > > Cathy Probably driver and front passenger front and side airbags plus side curtain.
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Hachiroku ハチロク - 27 Dec 2007 23:35 GMT >> It also means it'll be more difficult to fit into the tiny parking >> spaces it can now fit into... Boo, hiss, IMO. > > If the wheelbase and length are about the same, then it should be able to > fit in the same parking spaces as the current model. More width shouldn't > make it harder to park. (yer talking to a woman Ray... ;)
Cathy F. - 28 Dec 2007 00:40 GMT >>> It also means it'll be more difficult to fit into the tiny parking >>> spaces it can now fit into... Boo, hiss, IMO. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > (yer talking to a woman Ray... ;) You better duck for cover. Quickly.
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Ray O - 28 Dec 2007 06:05 GMT >>> It also means it'll be more difficult to fit into the tiny parking >>> spaces it can now fit into... Boo, hiss, IMO. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > (yer talking to a woman Ray... ;) I guess some women are more concerned about length than width ;-)
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EdV - 28 Dec 2007 13:42 GMT > "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Ray O > (correct punctuation to reply) BWAHAHAHA, I didn't see that coming
Cathy F. - 28 Dec 2007 16:18 GMT >> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > BWAHAHAHA, I didn't see that coming I'm not biting. ;-P
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Hachiroku ハチロク - 29 Dec 2007 02:17 GMT >>> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Cathy THANK GOD!!!!!
(RUN AWAY!!!!!)
Hachiroku ハチロク - 29 Dec 2007 02:16 GMT >>>> It also means it'll be more difficult to fit into the tiny parking >>>> spaces it can now fit into... Boo, hiss, IMO. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> > I guess some women are more concerned about length than width ;-) <SNERK!>
Cathy F. - 28 Dec 2007 00:39 GMT > <snipped>> > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > fit in the same parking spaces as the current model. More width shouldn't > make it harder to park. Then is it only extra *interior* width?
> <ssnipped> >>> All versions have six airbags, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Probably driver and front passenger front and side airbags plus side > curtain. That was my guess...
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Ray O - 28 Dec 2007 06:06 GMT >> <snipped>> >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Then is it only extra *interior* width? I doubt it. Most likely, the exterior is 2.4 inches wider.
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Cathy F. - 28 Dec 2007 16:17 GMT >>> <snipped>> >>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > I doubt it. Most likely, the exterior is 2.4 inches wider. That was what I was originally assuming. If a parking space is "x" inches wide, then a wider (exterior dimension) car will be more difficult to get into a narrow parking space than a narrower car. No matter the if the wheelbase & length of the new version is the same as the older version. Less wiggle room.
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Ray O - 28 Dec 2007 18:15 GMT >>>> <snipped>> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Cathy I generally try not to squeeze into narrow parking spaces because the people on either side are pretty sure to ding my car with their doors!
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nm5k@wt.net - 29 Dec 2007 08:56 GMT On Dec 28, 12:15 pm, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
> I generally try not to squeeze into narrow parking spaces because the people > on either side are pretty sure to ding my car with their doors! > -- > > Ray O > (correct punctuation to reply) LOL... I'm the same way.. I'll park 2 miles away at the far end of the parking lot if thats what it takes to avoid door dings.. I had one guy that was with me comment on it one day. I told him I was just saving some persons life by parking so far away. IE: avoid death by strangulation by a livid door dented car owner. I've had the current corolla since Feb.. Still not a single door dent in that car. Knock on wood.. I've had people ding my doors while I was sitting in the car! They just don't give a #$%@... I decided they are not getting the chance on this one if I can help it. MK
Cathy F. - 29 Dec 2007 11:42 GMT >>>>> <snipped>> >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > I generally try not to squeeze into narrow parking spaces because the > people on either side are pretty sure to ding my car with their doors! Parking at (my) work has no such option! Space is at a premium. Esp. in the winter, when the custodians don't plow the snow completely off the parking lot, & then there are even fewer parking spaces left, & so what's left of the lot renders narrower & narrower parking spaces.
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Dave Dave - 29 Dec 2007 13:51 GMT when i can i park on the end in a parking lot next to a concrete curb . that way only one side of you car is exposed . have a 06 camry and a 97 corolla . the camry to date has no dings and the corolla has only 2 small ones. of course it is a longer walk but to me it is worth it.
Ray O - 29 Dec 2007 16:57 GMT >>>>>> <snipped>> >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Cathy I see your point, but then you can get an even smaller car like the Yaris and get into even more spots! ;-)
Or, get to work earlier when there are more parking space choices (something I admittedly am not good at)
Or, post pictures of the idiots who can't park between the stripes where everyone can see, like the employee lunch room in hopes of shaming them into being more considerate.
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Cathy F. - 30 Dec 2007 00:15 GMT >>>>>>> <snipped>> >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > I see your point, but then you can get an even smaller car like the Yaris > and get into even more spots! ;-) True. But I don't want a Yaris.
> Or, get to work earlier when there are more parking space choices > (something I admittedly am not good at) Something I am terrible at. Then... lots of others who use that lot drive vans & SUV's - they'd have an even more diffcult time...
> Or, post pictures of the idiots who can't park between the stripes where > everyone can see, like the employee lunch room in hopes of shaming them > into being more considerate. <eg> Well, when one can *see* the stripes - during the winter they're often obliterated by snow.
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Ray O - 30 Dec 2007 03:09 GMT <snipped>
>> Or, post pictures of the idiots who can't park between the stripes where >> everyone can see, like the employee lunch room in hopes of shaming them [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Cathy One of my pet peeves is people who take up multiple spots when the stripes are covered by snow. It takes a lot of willpower to not key their cars or let the air out of their tires!
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Cathy F. - 30 Dec 2007 03:26 GMT > <snipped> >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > are covered by snow. It takes a lot of willpower to not key their cars or > let the air out of their tires! I hate it when people leave ~half of a car's width between their car & the one they parked next to. Esp. when they -know- the parking lot has limited space. Grrrr. But retribution... would be liable to make for a lousy work environment. The more cohesive the faculty/staff is, the better.
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Ed White - 29 Dec 2007 15:43 GMT > If the wheelbase and length are about the same, then it should be able to > fit in the same parking spaces as the current model. More width shouldn't > make it harder to park. You must not have to deal with narrow parking spaces and SUVs. One nice thing about my Fusion compared to the SUV I used to drive - I have lots of room to open the doors.
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Ray O - 29 Dec 2007 16:52 GMT >> If the wheelbase and length are about the same, then it should be able to >> fit in the same parking spaces as the current model. More width [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Ed Good point - the same is true when comparing our Sequoia to the Avalon or Lexus, but more due to the Sequoia not having a tight a turning radius as the cars. I was thinking more in terms of parallel parking and maneuvering into a parking stall with an additional 2.4 inches.
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Hachiroku ハチロク - 27 Dec 2007 19:56 GMT > DURHAM, N.C. - Toyota needed an extra year to redesign the Corolla because > too many engineers were tied up on other projects. The long wait for the > new Corolla raised expectations. But while some of the changes are > impressive, the effect of cost cutting is apparent in several key places. Have a look at a Scion tC: the hatch hinges are cheap, the A-Pillar flexes if the door is opened too hard (like with the car pointing down an incline...)
It's not only an effort to make ,ore affordable cars, but also to keep fuel economy figures high. But the cars suffer in the long run.
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