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Corolla's cool but could be better equipped

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C. E. White - 27 Dec 2007 14:04 GMT
Corolla's cool but could be better equipped

Mark Rechtin
Automotive News
December 24, 2007 - 12:01 am ET

DURHAM, N.C. - Toyota needed an extra year to redesign the Corolla because
too many engineers were tied up on other projects. The long wait for the new
Corolla raised expectations. But while some of the changes are impressive,
the effect of cost cutting is apparent in several key places.

The redesigned 2009 Corolla goes on sale in February, and it's no ordinary
debut. This is, after all, the No. 3 selling car in the land when paired
with its five-door variant, the Matrix.

The Corolla/Matrix, now in their sixth year on the market, outsell the Ford
Focus, Chevrolet Cobalt and all their variants combined.

In 2006, Corolla/Matrix sales rose 13.5 percent to 387,388. Through November
of this year, sales are running 4.2 percent behind 2006. Loyalty is strong.
One out of every three buyers replaces a Corolla with another one.

The basics: The wheelbase and length are about the same as the old Corolla,
but U.S. product planners managed to get 2.4 inches more width for the new
edition. That's a big deal, since Japan typically has the final say. In the
past, home market width regulations have constricted the car's girth.

Designing a much wider Corolla for a foreign market means Toyota no longer
is building a world car with slight regional variations. A different width
means different assembly procedures for the North American version.
Notable features: U.S. buyers will have a choice of two engines: a 1.8-liter
with a four-speed automatic for better fuel economy and a 2.4-liter with a
five-speed automatic for more performance. A five-speed stick shift will
still be available with both engines.

The base Corolla features 15-inch wheels, a trip computer, air conditioning,
a purse hook, intermittent wipers, daytime running lights, remote keyless
locks, a tilt/telescoping steering wheel, upper and lower glove boxes and a
four-speaker CD audio system with iPod jack.

All versions have six airbags, antilock brakes, brake assist, traction
control and a vehicle stability control system that can be deactivated.

More power, space

                   2009 Corolla    2008 Corolla
Wheelbase   102.4 in.           102.4 in.
Length          178.7 in.           178.3 in.
Width           69.3 in.             66.9 in.
Height          57.7 in.             58.3 in.
Base engine  1.8-liter I-4      1.8-liter I-4
Horsepower 132@6k rpm   126@6k rpm
Torque lb-ft.128@4.4k rpm 122@4.2k rpm
Opt. engine   2.4l 158 hp      n/a
Curb weight  2,723 lbs.        2,530 lbs.
Base price    TBA                $15,065*
On sale        February          Now
*Includes shipping

What Toyota says: "This required a complete departure from the traditional
and convervative influence of the Japan domestic market, the previously
sacred ground, to a style that was youthful and sporty and far more
European," Shinichi Yasui, Corolla's chief engineer, said at the media
introduction here. "We focused on specific top-class aspects from each
region from the beginning."

Compromises and shortcomings: The standard rear drum brakes, base four-speed
automatic transmission and Stone Age rear suspension are all cost-cutting
casualties when compared to the better-equipped Honda Civic and Mazda3. To
get uprated parts on the Corolla, a shopper must get the top trim level. The
car gained nearly 200 pounds in the redesign.

The market: Toyota hopes the new Corolla and Matrix will sell about 360,000
units next year as sales ramp up, with the Corolla taking about 80 percent
of the total. The company expects to reach 380,000 to 390,000 in 2009 and
beyond.

Nearly 25 percent of Corolla buyers are over 60 years old. With the 2009's
styling, Toyota aims to capture more youth buyers.

The skinny: That new styling indeed may attract younger buyers, but the 2009
Corolla still is more conservative than the Civic and Mazda3. And young
buyers compare specification charts. They'll see where the Corolla comes up
short. It seems Toyota's value and performance camps were at war in creating
this car.
EdV - 27 Dec 2007 16:48 GMT
> Corolla's cool but could be better equipped
>
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> short. It seems Toyota's value and performance camps were at war in creating
> this car.

Based on the photos alone, the only thing I don't like is the styling
of the rear. Its still the same as the 2008 corolla. Not a complete
redesign of the exterior. Maybe its cost cutting and save on tooling
of plastic parts
Ray O - 27 Dec 2007 17:56 GMT
>> Corolla's cool but could be better equipped
>>
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> redesign of the exterior. Maybe its cost cutting and save on tooling
> of plastic parts

Designing and marketing a car is a tricky business.  Auto enthusiasts and
car buff magazines like more advanced features like independent rear
suspension, double wishbone front suspension, 4 wheel disc brakes, etc. but
the majority of the car buying public has no idea what that stuff is and
don't care whether a car has it.  The average car buyer cares about style,
performance, fuel economy, comfort, safety, content, reliability, and
utility.  The automakers want to make money selling their cars, and no other
automaker, regardless of technical sophistication of their products, is as
good at making money as Toyota is.  It looks like Toyota is going after the
larger population of average car buyer with the new Corolla and is willing
to let Honda and Mazda have more of the niche buyers.
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Cathy F. - 27 Dec 2007 19:01 GMT
> Corolla's cool but could be better equipped
>
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> is building a world car with slight regional variations. A different width
> means different assembly procedures for the North American version.

It also means it'll be more difficult to fit into the tiny parking spaces it
can now fit into...  Boo, hiss, IMO.

> Notable features: U.S. buyers will have a choice of two engines: a
> 1.8-liter with a four-speed automatic for better fuel economy and a
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>
> All versions have six airbags,

Side curtain bags in the mix, then?

Cathy

antilock brakes, brake assist, traction
> control and a vehicle stability control system that can be deactivated.
>
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> comes up short. It seems Toyota's value and performance camps were at war
> in creating this car.
Ray O - 27 Dec 2007 22:41 GMT
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>> The basics: The wheelbase and length are about the same as the old
>> Corolla, but U.S. product planners managed to get 2.4 inches more width
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> It also means it'll be more difficult to fit into the tiny parking spaces
> it can now fit into...  Boo, hiss, IMO.

If the wheelbase and length are about the same, then it should be able to
fit in the same parking spaces as the current model.  More width shouldn't
make it harder to park.

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>> All versions have six airbags,
>
> Side curtain bags in the mix, then?
>
> Cathy

Probably driver and front passenger front and side airbags plus side
curtain.
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Hachiroku ハチロク - 27 Dec 2007 23:35 GMT
>> It also means it'll be more difficult to fit into the tiny parking
>> spaces it can now fit into...  Boo, hiss, IMO.
>
> If the wheelbase and length are about the same, then it should be able to
> fit in the same parking spaces as the current model.  More width shouldn't
> make it harder to park.

(yer talking to a woman Ray...   ;)
Cathy F. - 28 Dec 2007 00:40 GMT
>>> It also means it'll be more difficult to fit into the tiny parking
>>> spaces it can now fit into...  Boo, hiss, IMO.
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>
> (yer talking to a woman Ray...   ;)

You better duck for cover.  Quickly.

Cathy
Ray O - 28 Dec 2007 06:05 GMT
>>> It also means it'll be more difficult to fit into the tiny parking
>>> spaces it can now fit into...  Boo, hiss, IMO.
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>
> (yer talking to a woman Ray...   ;)

I guess some women are more concerned about length than width ;-)
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EdV - 28 Dec 2007 13:42 GMT
> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>
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> Ray O
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BWAHAHAHA, I didn't see that coming
Cathy F. - 28 Dec 2007 16:18 GMT
>> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>>
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>
> BWAHAHAHA, I didn't see that coming

I'm not biting. ;-P

Cathy
Hachiroku ハチロク - 29 Dec 2007 02:17 GMT
>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>>>
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>
> Cathy

THANK GOD!!!!!    

(RUN AWAY!!!!!)
Hachiroku ハチロク - 29 Dec 2007 02:16 GMT
>>>> It also means it'll be more difficult to fit into the tiny parking
>>>> spaces it can now fit into...  Boo, hiss, IMO.
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>>
> I guess some women are more concerned about length than width ;-)

<SNERK!>
Cathy F. - 28 Dec 2007 00:39 GMT
> <snipped>>
>
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> fit in the same parking spaces as the current model.  More width shouldn't
> make it harder to park.

Then is it only extra *interior* width?

> <ssnipped>
>>> All versions have six airbags,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Probably driver and front passenger front and side airbags plus side
> curtain.

That was my guess...

Cathy
Ray O - 28 Dec 2007 06:06 GMT
>> <snipped>>
>>
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>
> Then is it only extra *interior* width?

I doubt it.  Most likely, the exterior is 2.4 inches wider.
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Cathy F. - 28 Dec 2007 16:17 GMT
>>> <snipped>>
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>
> I doubt it.  Most likely, the exterior is 2.4 inches wider.

That was what I was originally assuming.  If a parking space is "x" inches
wide, then a wider (exterior dimension) car will be more difficult to get
into a narrow parking space than a narrower car.  No matter the if the
wheelbase & length of the new version is the same as the older version.
Less wiggle room.

Cathy
Ray O - 28 Dec 2007 18:15 GMT
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>>>>
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>
> Cathy

I generally try not to squeeze into narrow parking spaces because the people
on either side are pretty sure to ding my car with their doors!
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nm5k@wt.net - 29 Dec 2007 08:56 GMT
On Dec 28, 12:15 pm, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom>
wrote:

> I generally try not to squeeze into narrow parking spaces because the people
> on either side are pretty sure to ding my car with their doors!
> --
>
> Ray O
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LOL... I'm the same way.. I'll park 2 miles away at the far end of
the parking lot if thats what it takes to avoid door dings..
I had one guy that was with me comment on it one day.
I told him I was just saving some persons life by parking so
far away. IE: avoid death by strangulation by a livid door
dented car owner. I've had the current corolla since Feb..
Still not a single door dent in that car. Knock on wood..
I've had people ding my doors while I was sitting in the car!
They just don't give a #$%@...
I decided they are not getting the chance on this one
if I can help it.
MK
Cathy F. - 29 Dec 2007 11:42 GMT
>>>>> <snipped>>
>>>>>
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> I generally try not to squeeze into narrow parking spaces because the
> people on either side are pretty sure to ding my car with their doors!

Parking at (my) work has no such option!  Space is at a premium.  Esp. in
the winter, when the custodians don't plow the snow completely off the
parking lot, & then there are even fewer parking spaces left, & so what's
left of the lot renders narrower & narrower parking spaces.

Cathy
Dave Dave - 29 Dec 2007 13:51 GMT
when i can i park on the end in a parking lot  next to a concrete curb .
that way only one side of you car is exposed . have a 06 camry  and a 97
corolla . the camry to date has no dings and the corolla has only 2
small ones.   of course it is a longer walk but to me it is worth it.
Ray O - 29 Dec 2007 16:57 GMT
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>
> Cathy

I see your point, but then you can get an even smaller car like the Yaris
and get into even more spots! ;-)

Or, get to work earlier when there are more parking space choices (something
I admittedly am not good at)

Or, post pictures of the idiots who can't park between the stripes where
everyone can see, like the employee lunch room in hopes of shaming them into
being more considerate.
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Cathy F. - 30 Dec 2007 00:15 GMT
>>>>>>> <snipped>>
>>>>>>>
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> I see your point, but then you can get an even smaller car like the Yaris
> and get into even more spots! ;-)

True.  But I don't want a Yaris.

> Or, get to work earlier when there are more parking space choices
> (something I admittedly am not good at)

Something I am terrible at.  Then... lots of others who use that lot drive
vans & SUV's - they'd have an even more diffcult time...

> Or, post pictures of the idiots who can't park between the stripes where
> everyone can see, like the employee lunch room in hopes of shaming them
> into being more considerate.

<eg>  Well, when one can *see* the stripes - during the winter they're often
obliterated by snow.

Cathy
Ray O - 30 Dec 2007 03:09 GMT
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>> Or, post pictures of the idiots who can't park between the stripes where
>> everyone can see, like the employee lunch room in hopes of shaming them
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>
> Cathy

One of my pet peeves is people who take up multiple spots when the stripes
are covered by snow.  It takes a lot of willpower to not key their cars or
let the air out of their tires!
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Cathy F. - 30 Dec 2007 03:26 GMT
> <snipped>
>>
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> are covered by snow.  It takes a lot of willpower to not key their cars or
> let the air out of their tires!

I hate it when people leave ~half of a car's width between their car & the
one they parked next to.  Esp. when they -know- the parking lot has limited
space.  Grrrr.   But retribution... would be liable to make for a lousy work
environment.  The more cohesive the faculty/staff is, the better.

Cathy
Ed White - 29 Dec 2007 15:43 GMT
> If the wheelbase and length are about the same, then it should be able to
> fit in the same parking spaces as the current model.  More width shouldn't
> make it harder to park.

You must not have to deal with narrow parking spaces and SUVs. One nice
thing about my Fusion compared to the SUV I used to drive - I have lots of
room to open the doors.

Ed
Ray O - 29 Dec 2007 16:52 GMT
>> If the wheelbase and length are about the same, then it should be able to
>> fit in the same parking spaces as the current model.  More width
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Ed
Good point - the same is true when comparing our Sequoia to the Avalon or
Lexus, but more due to the Sequoia not having a tight a turning radius as
the cars.  I was thinking more in terms of parallel parking and maneuvering
into a parking stall with an additional 2.4 inches.
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Hachiroku ハチロク - 27 Dec 2007 19:56 GMT
> DURHAM, N.C. - Toyota needed an extra year to redesign the Corolla because
> too many engineers were tied up on other projects. The long wait for the
> new Corolla raised expectations. But while some of the changes are
> impressive, the effect of cost cutting is apparent in several key places.

Have a look at a Scion tC: the hatch hinges are cheap, the A-Pillar flexes
if the door is opened too hard (like with the car pointing down an incline...)

It's not only an effort to make ,ore affordable cars, but also to keep
fuel economy figures high. But the cars suffer in the long run.
 
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