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tak - 15 Jan 2008 17:29 GMT
Wondered if you have any observations on Siennas (and mini-vans, in general)
as safe, durable vehicles after they have their floors cut and dropped for
handicapped access.

Facing this purchase in the next few months to a year.
A Dodge Sprinter looks like the only likely choice without having to cut and
lower the floor and/or raise the roof.

Thanks in advance, Tom
mrsteveo - 15 Jan 2008 21:52 GMT
> Wondered if you have any observations on Siennas (and mini-vans, in general)
> as safe, durable vehicles after they have their floors cut and dropped for
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> Thanks in advance, Tom

I'm no expert nor am I RayO.  That being said, I would think the
answer has more to do with how good of a job the fabricator does,
wouldn't it?  That'd be my guess.  I would try to shop around for
someone whose done something like that before or go for the safest bet
-- one you do not have to modify.

That would be what I would do.

Good luck!
Wickeddoll - 15 Jan 2008 22:05 GMT
"tak" ...
*snipping/hijacking Tak's message*

Where have you been, dude?

:-)

Natalie
tak - 15 Jan 2008 22:45 GMT
> "tak" ...
> *snipping/hijacking Tak's message*
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> Natalie

Hi yourself, I've mostly just been reading the mail and resisting (most)
temptation.
Ray O - 16 Jan 2008 00:12 GMT
> Wondered if you have any observations on Siennas (and mini-vans, in
> general) as safe, durable vehicles after they have their floors cut and
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>
> Thanks in advance, Tom

Tom,

I do not have personal first hand experience with van durability after the
floors have been modified for handicap access.  The only first hand
experience I have is with conversion vans, and most of them were fair to
terrible.

Toyota has a mobility program where they have approved some of the equipment
installers and will reimburse up to $1000 for the conversion.  If I were in
the market for such equipment, I would go to one of those installers because
Toyota is usually pretty good about choosing companies that will modify
their vehicles and possible affect customer perception.  Go to
http://www.toyota.com/html/mobility/ for information.  If the link doesn't
work, go to www.toyota.com, click on the "Owners" link, then click on the
"Accessories" link, then click on the "Toyota Mobility" link.

I believe that all of the major automakers have similar programs if you
don't like Toyota's.  A Dodge Sprinter is also a possibility, but take a
look at overall cost of acquisition, fuel, and maintenance.  The Sprinter is
basically a Mercedes commercial vehicle, and while it should be very
durable, it might not be the most cost-effective way to go.

Hope this helps!
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tak - 16 Jan 2008 01:49 GMT
>> Wondered if you have any observations on Siennas (and mini-vans, in
>> general) as safe, durable vehicles after they have their floors cut and
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> Hope this helps!
Thanks for the links, I have that reservation about messing with the
structure which is why the Sprinter is an outside possibility. The company
that would modify the Sienna has a long and good reputation in doing these
conversions, but am still cool to the idea of that much structural change.
Dave L - 16 Jan 2008 02:59 GMT
>>> Wondered if you have any observations on Siennas (and mini-vans, in
>>> general) as safe, durable vehicles after they have their floors cut and
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> that would modify the Sienna has a long and good reputation in doing these
> conversions, but am still cool to the idea of that much structural change.

Those Sprinters are also BIG, especially when compared to a Sienna.  As RayO
mentioned, the Sprinter is basically a commercial vehicle.  You see places
like UPS or DHL using them or maybe a contractor.  Not very practical,
especially if you order a new one.  Made in Germany, disassembeled for
shipping and reassembled in the US.  That's my understanding.

-Dave
Ray O - 16 Jan 2008 05:15 GMT
>>> Wondered if you have any observations on Siennas (and mini-vans, in
>>> general) as safe, durable vehicles after they have their floors cut and
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> that would modify the Sienna has a long and good reputation in doing these
> conversions, but am still cool to the idea of that much structural change.
I think that Toyota has 2 different mobility partners.  Look at the
modifications that they are proposing - perhaps they do not need to do
extensive modifications for the application you need.

The Sienna has a monocoque, or unibody chassis so modifications will
probably affect the structural strength of the vehicle.  If you need the
additional headroom, you might be better off with a body-on-frame vehicle,
which is easier to modify.  Besides the Sprinter, which is pretty large,
check out the Ford Club Wagon and the Chevy/GMC full size vans and the Dodge
full size van.
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Bruce L. Bergman - 16 Jan 2008 05:56 GMT
>"tak" <takirch@frontiernet.net> wrote...

>> Wondered if you have any observations on Siennas (and mini-vans, in
>> general) as safe, durable vehicles after they have their floors cut and
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>> A Dodge Sprinter looks like the only likely choice without having to cut
>> and lower the floor and/or raise the roof.

 Well, at least you know better than to consider a Caravan...  ;-)

 The Sprinter would probably last you because it's a commercial
chassis, but consider the roof height - you can forget about getting
into most underground parking and parking structures.

 Even the parking structures where there's one excess height floor
you'll fit in, before the upper floors start with reduced clearance -
that's the parking spaces closest to the door, and all the lazy
a.sholes in the Mercedes and Porsche and BMW sedans fill those spaces.

 I'm tempted to put up signs at the one parking structure like that
I've tried to use:

"All passenger cars belong on the upper floors, these spaces are
specifically reserved for oversized vehicle parking ONLY.
 If your SUV, Truck or Van is NOT at least 6' 6" tall, or any
passenger car is found parked here before the entire structure
upstairs is full to capacity, it will be towed and may be CRUSHED INTO
A COFFEE TABLE SIZED CUBE at the owner's expense."

 And to seal the deal, put one of those "compact(ed) car" cubes into
that dead space in the corner as pop art.  The sign over that corner
reads: "And this guy didn't believe we were serious..."

>I do not have personal first hand experience with van durability after the
>floors have been modified for handicap access.  The only first hand
>experience I have is with conversion vans, and most of them were fair to
>terrible.

 That's more a problem of the reliability of the base vehicle.
Unless the floorboards split and dump you on the freeway, of course.
That's the problem with making custom mods to a vehicle, you are kind
of stuck with it for the long haul, till it's flat worn out.  You keep
spending to fix it when it breaks, rather than sell/junk it at a huge
loss, and spend a lot to buy and modify another new car.  

 An old Toyota "Two Slice Toaster" Van would be perfect choice for
"can't kill it except by a direct hit with a Howitzer" reliability,
except for that stupid mid-engine hump in the way...  ;-P

>Toyota has a mobility program where they have approved some of the equipment
>installers and will reimburse up to $1000 for the conversion.  If I were in
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>work, go to www.toyota.com, click on the "Owners" link, then click on the
>"Accessories" link, then click on the "Toyota Mobility" link.

 Take the "new car" for a test drive over to a trusted body shop, and
let them inspect the work quality of the body modifications just like
you would take a used car to a mechanic for a once-over.  A trained
eye should be able to spot really bad design or really sloppy work
that will fall apart - you can only hide so much with Bondo.

 --<< Bruce >>--
tak - 16 Jan 2008 23:01 GMT
>>"tak" <takirch@frontiernet.net> wrote...
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>  --<< Bruce >>--

Good point- the smallest version is about 96 inches tall, ground to roof.
 
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