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Because the budget is so far out of whack, we need someone to cook...er, balance the books again! (C'mon...you should have KNOWN that me putting "I'm voting for Hillary" in a subject line was leading to a jab...) > Because the budget is so far out of whack, we need someone to cook...er, > balance the books again! > > (C'mon...you should have KNOWN that me putting "I'm voting for Hillary" in > a subject line was leading to a jab...) You gots to be kidding. She will only make it much worse in the long term. She might come up with some feel good, but they won't last.  Signature"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton >> Because the budget is so far out of whack, we need someone to cook...er, >> balance the books again! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You gots to be kidding. She will only make it much worse in the long > term. She might come up with some feel good, but they won't last. If you could explain her budget ideas IN YOUR OWN WORDS, I might believe you. Isn't that a funny thought? You, explaining something in your own words. > >> Because the budget is so far out of whack, we need someone to cook...er, > >> balance the books again! [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Isn't that a funny thought? You, explaining something in your own words. Do you want your taxes raised, yes/no? Signature"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton >> >> Because the budget is so far out of whack, we need someone to >> >> cook...er, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Do you want your taxes raised, yes/no? Of course not. Oh wait...that was too many words for you. NO. Is that her entire plan? yes/no > "dbu" <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote in message > > Do you want your taxes raised, yes/no? > > Of course not. I rest my case. Signature"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton >> "dbu" <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I rest my case. Is a tax increase her entire plan? yes/no Or, is that all you were told to think about? >>> "dbu" <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Or, is that all you were told to think about? I find it passing strange that whenever I hear a Republican speak about how awful a Democrat president and/or congress would be, it's always the old refrain "He (and they) will raise taxes! Do you want that to happen?" They talk as if a raise in taxes would send them to the poorhouse or keep them from putting food in their children's mouths, yet to the average wage earner, the increase in taxes would likely amount to another $50 to $250 a year....and I pity anyone who's in such dire straits financially that it would bankrupt them. If we could ever get rid of the nonsensical items in the budget like the bridges to nowhere, the $700 million (and counting) embassy in Baghdad which isn't even completed yet and the untold massive expense of occupying Iraq, plus armored MRAPs at a cost of $1.5 million apiece, and start putting money into fixing our rusting infrastructure, we would feel more friendly toward paying taxes, Republicans included. >>>> "dbu" <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > year....and I pity anyone who's in such dire straits financially that it > would bankrupt them. But when taxes are decreased, revenue to the government increases. This is entirely too complex of an issue to look at only one piece -- taxes -- but by all accounts a tax increase is always bad for the economy as a whole. Or, hole, depending ou how you look at it. When government raises taxes, it not only digs deeper into your pocket, it intrudes deeper into your life. That's bad. > If we could ever get rid of the nonsensical items in the budget like the > bridges to nowhere, the $700 million (and counting) embassy in Baghdad > which isn't even completed yet and the untold massive expense of occupying > Iraq, plus armored MRAPs at a cost of $1.5 million apiece, and start > putting money into fixing our rusting infrastructure, we would feel more > friendly toward paying taxes, Republicans included. Do you realize you just made the leap from criticizing the Administration for not providing the troops with adequate protection to criticizing the Administration for spending too much to provide adequate protection to the troops? You can not have it both ways, either the troops are exposed or we spend money to protect them. Personally, I'll spend the money, they are worth every penny. Every President for as long as I can remember has wanted a Line Item Veto so he could cut the $700 million bridge to nowhere, but the President does not have this valuable tool, so you have to blame your Congressman for this sort of sh.t. >>>>> "dbu" <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote in message >>>> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Administration for spending too much to provide adequate protection to the > troops? I don't see where he criticized the admin for not providing adequate equipment. If you disagree, be a linguist and explain where you see the words that prove me wrong. > But when taxes are decreased, revenue to the government increases. Yeah, but only if the top rate is 90%, not the 36% it is now. > This is entirely too complex of an issue to look at only one piece -- taxes -- but > by all accounts a tax increase is always bad for the economy as a whole. Not so. It worked in 1993. Read about "crowding out." > >>> In article <5M1mj.2774$7d1.2...@news01.roc.ny>, > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > - Show quoted text - blah blah blah. Tax cuts drain the treasury. Endless wars of adventure drain the treasury. Tax cuts COST, and never pay for themselves. Put down that stupid juice. If someone making $200,000+ doesn't want to pay an extra $1000.00 in taxes then that person in not a patriot. http://www.cbpp.org/7-11-06bud.htm http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2006/07/11/do-tax-cuts-pay-for-themselves/ Ed S. >> Is a tax increase her entire plan? yes/no >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > old refrain "He (and they) will raise taxes! Do you want that to > happen?" They talk as if a raise in taxes w Who cares about the taxes? You gotta pay them anyway. What scares me is "change". Yeah, I had change last time the Clintons were in office. That's ALL I had was CHANGE. I lost two good high paying jobs thanks to their policies. No thanks...I've had all the change I can handle... >>> "dbu" <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Or, is that all you were told to think about? It's not in the plan she's telling us about. Of course, if she were to be elected, after the first 180 days or so: "We have found the deficit to be much larger than reported, and will have to take action to stem the debt." Think back 16 years... >>>> "dbu" <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Think back 16 years... You're thinking of Bush-1: Read my lips. No new taxes. >>>>> "dbu" <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote in message >>>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > You're thinking of Bush-1: Read my lips. No new taxes. Nah, I'm thinking Bill (through George Stephanopolous, who has since come to his senses...) "We have found the deficit to be much larger than reported, and will have to take action to stem the debt." That's almost verbatim... >>>>>> "dbu" <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote in message >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > That's almost verbatim... OK. So you're pretending Bush-1 never made his "no new taxes" pledge, and then broke it. Or, you forgot the rules here: You can't criticize a behavior unless you openly acknowledge any other instance of the same behavior when it is shown to you. >Or, you forgot the rules here: You can't criticize a behavior unless you >openly acknowledge any other instance of the same behavior when it is shown >to you. Joey Joey Joey. Not only don't you make the rules....nobody pays any attention to you when you blather. You are truly a legend in your own mind....LOL SignatureScott in Florida >If you could explain her budget ideas IN YOUR OWN WORDS, I might believe >you. ROFLMAO ROFLMAO SHE can't explain her ideas in any words...... ROFLMAO What a dork. SignatureScott in Florida > On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:40:08 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" > <dishborealis@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > What a dork. Calm down, Sot. You're spitting all over your cell mate. >> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:40:08 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" >> <dishborealis@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Calm down, Sot. You're spitting all over your cell mate. Sorry....Joey Didn't mean to spit all over ya..... SignatureScott in Florida > >If you could explain her budget ideas IN YOUR OWN WORDS, I might believe > >you. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ROFLMAO Your laughter doesn't hide your envy of her, you non-valedictorian. >>> If you could explain her budget ideas IN YOUR OWN WORDS, I might believe >>> you. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Your laughter doesn't hide your envy of her, you non-valedictorian. I nominate this for understatement of the year...in advance. >>>> If you could explain her budget ideas IN YOUR OWN WORDS, I might believe >>>> you. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >I nominate this for understatement of the year...in advance. ROFLMAO I OWN Witless...... SignatureScott in Florida "Hachiroku" ... > Because the budget is so far out of whack, we need someone to cook...er, > balance the books again! > > (C'mon...you should have KNOWN that me putting "I'm voting for Hillary" in > a subject line was leading to a jab...) http://cagle.com/working/080123/horsey.jpg :-D Natalie > "Hachiroku" ... > > (C'mon...you should have KNOWN that me putting "I'm voting for Hillary" in > > a subject line was leading to a jab...) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Natalie Very accurate. All fundamentalists think of Methodists that way.. <richard-foreskin@null.net> ... Wickeddoll® wrote: > "Hachiroku" ... > > (C'mon...you should have KNOWN that me putting "I'm voting for Hillary" > > in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Natalie Very accurate. All fundamentalists think of Methodists that way.. RF Aren't they all supposed to believe in essentially the same thing? What is it about Methodists that alarms people - I never got that. I'm Catholic, if that matters. Natalie > <richard-foreskin@null.net> ... > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Natalie Glory be, may the Lord be with you and the tiny URL. I am too. Signature"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton "dbu" , >> <richard-foreskin@null.net> ... >> > "Hachiroku" ... [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > I am too. LOL Peace be with you. Natalie Hillary Clitoris is quaazzy and Barack is whiter than I am. And Hillary is mobbed up as much as Barack is.. Taxes ARE a big issue. We are already being double and triple taxed. Taxed at earning and taxed at use. Taxed for using highways.. We're taxed for having sex. Imbalanced divorce laws see to that. Try telling your wife (hooker) you don't want to buy her something... The sex tax is one that's sure to climb if Hillary and Pelossi get together. Two bitter bitches.. > Taxes ARE a big issue. We are already being double and triple taxed. > Taxed at earning and taxed at use. Taxed for using highways.. > > We're taxed for having sex. Then you're not doing it right, or you're charging for it. > Imbalanced divorce laws see to that. Try > telling your wife (hooker) you don't want to buy her something... > > The sex tax is one that's sure to climb if Hillary and Pelossi get > together. Two bitter bitches.. OTOH I don't detect any bitterness in you. > "dbu" , >> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Natalie Gee, Natalie, next thing you know you'll be giving out Irish blessings like: May you be in heaven a half an hour before the devil knows you're dead. SignatureCharles the Curmugeon Bring back the Rotary Dial and the days when no one had to press 1 to continue in English. > "Wickeddoll®" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > May you be in heaven a half an hour before the devil knows you're dead. Well, since I'm married to a Pole, the blessing would more likely be Polish. :-) Natalie > Well, since I'm married to a Pole, the blessing would more likely be > Polish. > > :-) > > Natalie Really! So am I. My Pole is from southwest Poland (technically, MY pole comes from Torrance, CA. but that's a bit more personal than you want to know), in the corner near East Germany and the Czech republic. She still has parents and a brother in Poland, and we are helping a brother and his wife and kids emigrate, and another brother has been here long enough to get citizenship. Dude, we could be related! Maybe not, you're too smart to get hooked up with anybody that my gene pond is soaking in. "Jeff Strickland" ... > "Wickeddoll®" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > kids emigrate, and another brother has been here long enough to get > citizenship. Hubby is one of three of his parent's kids born in the U.S., the two eldest were born in a WWII refugee camp. Email me, and I'll send you the URL that tells their whole story, but my in-laws were among the Polish citizens captured by the Nazis. I forget what village they were from, but my mother-in-law said it was near Krakow. I have pix of my daughter wearing my MIL's folk costume. > Dude, we could be related! Maybe not, you're too smart to get hooked up > with anybody that my gene pond is soaking in. LOL Well, if they emigrated around the end of WWII, you never know... :-) Natalie > "Jeff Strickland" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > :-) During the war, my wife's uncle (brother of her dad) was a soldier. At the end of the war, he took advantage of a US offer to immigrate. He, and others came to Conneticut -- Rutledge, I think -- and eventually came to San Diego. My MIL's family was given a farm in what was formerly German-occupied Poland, and they moved from east Poland to the western part where they still live. My FIL and MIL married and raised the kids on the farm. My FIL came to San Diego in '78, to visit his brother, and stayed for about 9 months. When he went home, he told his daughter -- the eldest of 4 kids, and the only girl -- to go to the USA. He could see that life in Poland was a bad deal due to the communist society. She arrived in '80 with the change from a $20 bill and a suitcase. Her uncle helped her get started, and she and I met in '83, and married in "84. Krakow is a port city in the west of Poland. I do not recall that my wife has relatives from that region -- which would indicate we are not distant cousins, and you can long after me without worrying about the gene pool. (sorry, my dilusions of granduer got in the way again.) Actually, on second thought, the farm where my in-laws live is on land that the Germans over ran during the war, my wife is from a city south and a little west of Legnica. You can find Legnica on GoggleEarth. It is in Western Poland, but south of Krakow. Her ancesteral home is in East Poland. We used to go to Polish festivals, normally held at a Catholic church, and watch the folk dances and eat far too much Polish food. We don't hang out much with the Polish community, and don't do the festivals verty often anymore. She still likes to cook mountains of Polish food for the holidays, and she now has two brothers here -- nearby -- that also contribute into the food piles. The latest arrival's wife is a very good cook, and her faves are the desert dishes. They also make kielbasa as if there is no tomorrow. "Jeff Strickland" ... > "Wickeddoll®"... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > cook, and her faves are the desert dishes. They also make kielbasa as if > there is no tomorrow. We attended some festivals when we lived in New England, and since we plan to retire there, will probably see more of them. Natalie >We attended some festivals when we lived in New England, and since we plan >to retire there, will probably see more of them. > >Natalie Retire to COLD country? You still have time to re think that....LOL SignatureScott in Florida "Scott in Florida" "Wickeddoll®" wrote: >>We attended some festivals when we lived in New England, and since we plan >>to retire there, will probably see more of them. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You still have time to re think that....LOL Let me tell you in a way you can understand: Read...my...lips...NO HOT CLIMATES. Got it? Good. Natalie, a shiverer, not a perspirer > "Scott in Florida" > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Natalie, a shiverer, not a perspirer I'm a firm proponent of the Pemberton-Wilkins Ice Diving law: I refuse to dive in water that's had ice on it in the last 10,000 years. And the Pemberton Corolary: If water is below 72 degrees, it's had ice on it sometime in the last 10,000 years. I hope to be able to retire to Florida someday. The good part, not the FloriDUH part. SignatureCharles the Curmugeon Bring back the Rotary Dial and the days when no one had to press 1 to continue in English. <n5hsr@comcast.net> ... > "Wickeddoll®" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > If water is below 72 degrees, it's had ice on it sometime in the last > 10,000 years. So, I guess you're not a "Polar Bear" huh? Those people are nuts. > I hope to be able to retire to Florida someday. The good part, not the > FloriDUH part. There's a *good* part? Where is it, and why wasn't I told?! Natalie, Floridian "expatriate" > <n5hsr@comcast.net> ... >> "Wickeddoll®" ... [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Natalie, Floridian "expatriate" I thought anywhere there weren't Cubans and Dimocrats was OK. I saw some of the good parts on my trip in 1994 to north of Gainsville. SignatureCharles the Curmugeon Bring back the Rotary Dial and the days when no one had to press 1 to continue in English. > I thought anywhere there weren't Cubans and Dimocrats was OK. I saw some > of the good parts on my trip in 1994 to north of Gainsville. You hate Cubans as well as women. Why is that? >> I thought anywhere there weren't Cubans and Dimocrats was OK. I saw some >> of the good parts on my trip in 1994 to north of Gainsville. > > You hate Cubans as well as women. Why is that? Only women can be Democrats? And, there are no women Republicans? (this is germane because he infers that he likes Republicans, but since you assert that he hates women, both can not be true.) How, exactly, does that work? Alternatively, explain how you are not an idiot. >>> I thought anywhere there weren't Cubans and Dimocrats was OK. I saw >>> some of the good parts on my trip in 1994 to north of Gainsville. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > How, exactly, does that work? Alternatively, explain how you are not an > idiot. Try reading for comprehension, professor. >>>> I thought anywhere there weren't Cubans and Dimocrats was OK. I saw >>>> some of the good parts on my trip in 1994 to north of Gainsville. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Try reading for comprehension, professor. HE SAID " ... anywhere there weren't Cubans and Dimocrats was OK." To which YOU SAID, "You hate Cubans as well as women. Why is that?" How much is there to comprehend? He likes to stay away from Democrats, and you assert he hates women, as if all Democrats are women. I suggest to you that myreading comprehension is fine, your ability to articulate is in serious question though (which feeds my argument that you are an idiot). >>>>> I thought anywhere there weren't Cubans and Dimocrats was OK. I saw >>>>> some of the good parts on my trip in 1994 to north of Gainsville. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > that myreading comprehension is fine, your ability to articulate is in > serious question though (which feeds my argument that you are an idiot). About the women: You have apparently missed many of the hateful things he's said about them in the past. That's why you're not comprehending what's going on here. >>>>>> I thought anywhere there weren't Cubans and Dimocrats was OK. I saw >>>>>> some of the good parts on my trip in 1994 to north of Gainsville. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > he's said about them in the past. That's why you're not comprehending > what's going on here. I follow that, but he did not say he had a good time, except where there were Cubans and women. YOU are the one that tied democrats and women together. Women were not part of this discussion until you came along. I am not questioning what he likes or dislikes, I'm questioning how you tied all of this together. >>>>>>> I thought anywhere there weren't Cubans and Dimocrats was OK. I saw >>>>>>> some of the good parts on my trip in 1994 to north of Gainsville. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > am not questioning what he likes or dislikes, I'm questioning how you tied > all of this together. I know you're questioning it. It's simple: In the recent past, he revealed his hatred of women. Now, he's revealing his hatred of Cubans. >I know you're questioning it. It's simple: In the recent past, he revealed >his hatred of women. Now, he's revealing his hatred of Cubans. That is just simply not true....but truth never seems to sway you..... SignatureScott in Florida > >> I thought anywhere there weren't Cubans and Dimocrats was OK. I saw some > >> of the good parts on my trip in 1994 to north of Gainsville. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > And, there are no women Republicans? What about Ann Coulter? >> I thought anywhere there weren't Cubans and Dimocrats was OK. I saw some >> of the good parts on my trip in 1994 to north of Gainsville. > > You hate Cubans as well as women. Why is that? No, I don't hate Cubans, but I can't for the life of me figure why they want to vote DimoCrapic. SignatureCharles the Curmugeon Bring back the Rotary Dial and the days when no one had to press 1 to continue in English. >>> I thought anywhere there weren't Cubans and Dimocrats was OK. I saw >>> some of the good parts on my trip in 1994 to north of Gainsville. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > No, I don't hate Cubans, but I can't for the life of me figure why they > want to vote DimoCrapic. I thought Cubans in Florida tended to vote Republican because that's the party the Cubans pay to maintain our stupid policy toward Cuba. Maybe the Democrats are now being paid to maintain the stupid policy. I might have the parties reversed, but it doesn't matter. Cubans vote for whoever talks loudest about Castro. <n5hsr@comcast.net> ... > "Wickeddoll®" ... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > I thought anywhere there weren't Cubans and Dimocrats was OK. I saw some > of the good parts on my trip in 1994 to north of Gainsville. OK, I'm just going to distance myself from that highly bigoted remark... Natalie > <n5hsr@comcast.net> ... >> "Wickeddoll®" ... [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Natalie I don't like places where any of the Hispanic groups are trying to 'reconquista' the rest of us. I'm tired of having to press 1 to continue in English. And Chicago never was Spanish. French, yes. English, yes. But the Spanish only got the WEST side of the Mississippi River in 1763. I'm also sick and tired of ethnic groups that want to speak something other than English and don't want to learn English, and expect me to learn their language instead HERE in AMERICA. It's bad enough with all the tech support people that I have to deal with to have to deal with so many Indians that speak English in such a way that I have to have them repeat things twice and three times. My ancestors had to learn English when they came over. (A couple of them had to learn English when the English came over, but that's a horse of a different color.) SignatureCharles the Curmugeon Bring back the Rotary Dial and the days when no one had to press 1 to continue in English. <n5hsr@comcast.net> ... > "Wickeddoll®" ... >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > when they came over. (A couple of them had to learn English when the > English came over, but that's a horse of a different color.) You cannot blame Hispanics for the bilingual menu thing. That's a business decision, to reach as many customers as possible. In New Hampshire, we had English/French menus, since many of them are Canadian émigrés. Nobody is trying to "force" anything; businesses just choose to make themselves more accessible. You, and many others are under the incorrect impression that Hispanics *demanded* bilingual media. I have never, ever seen that among their political agenda. Ever. There are many Hispanics who speak perfectly good English, but prefer to speak their native language. I see nothing wrong with that (personally, I think it's a gorgeous language, and plan to learn it someday), but I agree that anyone who emigrates to *any* other country should learn the language, as my Polish-born in-laws did. Blanket statements, which you unfortunately make regularly, are rarely accurate, Charles; it may speak for a segment of whatever group you're commenting on, but it's not fair to lump *everyone* of that group into any pigeonholes. Natalie > <n5hsr@comcast.net> ... >> "Wickeddoll®" ... [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > > Natalie Unforunately, I rarely get to see the ones that seem to be the exceptions. Just the ones that give their groups a bad name. For instance I know people that are from the Subcontinent that speak English quite clearly and understandably, but I never ever seem to run into one on tech support lines, which I'm on a lot. The whole idea of communication is to be understood by the party that's hearing you. That's part of the reason my ancestors and your husband's ancestors learned English when they got here. The landlord and his wife at the place I grew up in Chicago were from Germany, they came over after the hyperinflation of 1923. But they said, We are Americans now, we speak English. The only time I ever heard them use German was when some of their relatives came over from Germany to visit. How did the others survive before we had bilingual iron maidens? It's not like we have a huge state the size of Quebec in the middle of the country that speaks another language dividing the East from the West, or that we have Language Nazis just like the Canadians do. Why does Californication have drivers tests in 27 different languages? SignatureCharles the Curmugeon Bring back the Rotary Dial and the days when no one had to press 1 to continue in English. >> <n5hsr@comcast.net> ... >>> "Wickeddoll®" ... [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] > that we have Language Nazis just like the Canadians do. Why does > Californication have drivers tests in 27 different languages? I'm much more concerned about people who were born and raised here, but still can't speak English. You should be more concerned about them, too. People like that have no excuses. > I'm much more concerned about people who were born and raised here, but > still can't speak English. You should be more concerned about them, too. > People like that have no excuses. Several years ago, when I was still eating fast food, I encountered this with an employee who wasn't fluent in her native language of English. I'll call her "Wendy": Me: "I'd like a cheeseburger and a plain cheeseburger." Wendy: "One cheeseburger." Me: "Two cheeseburgers, one regular, one plain." Wendy: "You said, 'one cheeseburger.'" Me: "I said, 'a cheeseburger and a plain cheeseburger.'" Wendy: "That's one cheeseburger." >> I'm much more concerned about people who were born and raised here, but >> still can't speak English. You should be more concerned about them, too. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Wendy: "That's one cheeseburger." My son was at a Taco Bell last year, and they had some sort of special new item shown on a poster. It had no price, so he asked the cashier, who had no idea. Apparently, nobody had sold one yet, so as she asked her cohorts, nobody else had a clue, either. My son said "Ring it up on the register and the price should show, right?" The cashier said "Don't give me none of your smart mouth, young man!" He left. "JoeSpareBedroom" ... > "larry moe 'n curly" .. >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > He left. They were idiots (and terrible with customer relations), but having survived being a fast food drone while in high school, I think it's only fair to tell you that you cannot just check prices on that stuff. Once you hit it, it rings up, and has to be either voided or paid. Natalie > "JoeSpareBedroom" ... >> "larry moe 'n curly" .. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Natalie So, void it! That was the idea my son assumed the idiot was aware of. What other choices were there? Find the manager, who was probably picking his zits in the boy's room? Or, not order the food that looked interesting? "JoeSpareBedroom" ... > "Wickeddoll®" ... >>> "larry moe 'n curly" .. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > other choices were there? Find the manager, who was probably picking his > zits in the boy's room? Or, not order the food that looked interesting? I don't know how things are now, but anything to do with the cash register was a big deal, and voids were a debit to your record. So even doing what you said would cause grief. Micromanagement is the watchword for fast-food jobs - at least it was back in my high school days. Also, the keys on that register is usually a picture of the food, and whatever the window person rings, becomes an order immediately. You not only would have to void it, you'd have to yell for it to be canceled in the back. Once that's done, it's thrown out, if it had been started, which it usually has. You get yelled at for that. Having said all that, though, they should have just asked the manager. They handled the entire thing all wrong. Natalie > "Wickeddoll®"... >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] > that we have Language Nazis just like the Canadians do. Why does > Californication have drivers tests in 27 different languages? As I said, I believe anyone coming to this country should learn the language. There are all sorts of free courses available, so there really is no excuse. I never heard of a driver's license test being in more than two languages. That's just dumb, since our signs are in English. Also, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Of *course* you'd hear from the more militant members of a given group. It's still not fair to judge the ones (the majority) who *aren't* rabble-rousing. Like it or not, bilingual menus are here to stay, but despising Spanish-speaking people because of this, is like hating the Japanese because Toyotas are becoming more dominant in sales. (hey, how about that on-topic switch?) :-) Natalie >> "Wickeddoll®"... >>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 107 lines] > is no excuse. I never heard of a driver's license test being in more than > two languages. That's just dumb, since our signs are in English. No excuse? Natalie, call your nearest primary school and spend 5 minutes on the phone with the speech therapist. He/she will explain the science behind learning language. It doesn't include excuses. It's a matter of brain development. Fact: Language is easily learned by kids under 8 or 10 years old. In the adult years, it's usually a real bitch to learn a second language. Not everyone coming to this country is under 8 or 10 years old. I'd like to see Bill Cosby try olympic pole vaulting, but he's a bit old for that. In the same vein, you can expect to hear foreign languages spoken in all immigrant families until the little kids grow up and the old folks are dead. We have lots of Puerto Ricans here. I'll try Spanish with them, and many say "I don't speak it. My parents were the last in my family to use it around the house." That's how it works. "JoeSpareBedroom" ... > "Wickeddoll®" ... >>>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 112 lines] > behind learning language. It doesn't include excuses. It's a matter of > brain development. Of course I didn't mean people with speech delays, Joe - come on, you're just being facetious. A person of average ability and IQ can learn a new language at any age. I'm not buying what you're selling here. > Fact: Language is easily learned by kids under 8 or 10 years old. In the > adult years, it's usually a real bitch to learn a second language. Not [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > them, and many say "I don't speak it. My parents were the last in my > family to use it around the house." That's how it works. You're just repeating what I said - that sometimes they prefer to speak their native country's language, and pass that language on to their children. I also said I think that's just fine; why should their heritage be eliminated? You'll have to come up with a much better reason for people not learning a new language, than speech pathology in some. Natalie > "JoeSpareBedroom" ... >> "Wickeddoll®" ... [quoted text clipped - 141 lines] > > Natalie I guess I wasn't clear about something: All people (again **ALL PEOPLE**) learn language much more easily below the age of 8 or 10. This is a well known FACT about human development. It has nothing to do with "speech delays" at all. Nothing. Kids who learn a 2nd language beginning in high school have a much bigger challenge than kids who learned at earlier ages, and for adults, it can be like climbing a mountain. I mentioned speech pathologists because your belief in learning a new language is a strong one, and can only be disassembled by speaking to someone whose business it is to know these things. The human brain is far more receptive to new languages at a younger age, which is why parents who use baby talk with babies should be whacked upside the head with a brick. That's when kids' brains are like sponges for language. I'm not saying that immigrants shouldn't try to learn English, but the fact is, it's a bitch to do for the vast majority of older people. The best way is immersion - being surrounded by the language you're trying to learn. Immersion includes being challenged to interact. That means conversation, not just exposure to signs, TV and menus in English. That doesn't force you to respond. But, bi-lingual signs and menus may be the an excellent learning tool for the very people Charles loves to hate. We're exposed to these things at times when we need to interact, like get off the highway or order food. Not as good a tool as speaking to someone, but still, a useful tool. I saw an interesting phenomenon a few years ago. A friend had moved here from Puerto Rico to go to grad school when she was 21. They take English in high school in PR, but she was still pretty rusty. She had to get up speed quickly, or waste the full scholarship she'd won, and she did an amazing job of it. When I met her, she spoke English with a level of precision that was astounding. One night, at a party, she had way too many cocktails. She ran out of snacks, and was looking for someone sober enough to go get more. She was asking people in Spanish, though, and after a few minutes, she got panicky because nobody could respond and she thought it was weird. I finally managed to say "speak more slowly" in Spanish, and figured out that due to her drunken state, she couldn't speak English! I found this very interesting, and on a rare day when my ex (a speech pathologist) wasn't pissed off at me, I asked her about it. She gave me a textbook which described how PET scans are used to determine what parts of the brain are lighting up during various common activities. (This was in a section of the book about brain damage, like strokes). To make a long story short, a second language involves more intentional effort and more parts of the brain, compared our first language, which is almost completely automatic. Booze, drugs and injuries can affect that part of the brain. My friend had temporarily lost the ability to speak her 2nd language for that reason. It's not as easy as you imagine. "JoeSpareBedroom" ... > "Wickeddoll®" ... >>>>>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 149 lines] > school have a much bigger challenge than kids who learned at earlier ages, > and for adults, it can be like climbing a mountain. I never said it was easy. I just said that everyone who moves to a new country should learn the language. They may never get it down pat (hell, most American-born people can't do that), but I don't think they should expect me to learn their language, in order to care for them (bilingual nurses are in huge demand). My mother-in-law was in her late 20s when she came to the U.S., and still has a very thick Polish accent. She pretty much learned enough to get by, with a little to spare. My father-in-law learned barely enough to get by, and after he had a stroke, he lost what little English he had spoken. They, and many other immigrants at the time, learned English without any assistance whatsoever. My point is that if they could do that, with little or no formal education before coming here, then *any* immigrant should learn the language of the country in which they choose to live. I'm well aware that the English language is the most difficult to learn (at least from what I hear), with all our silly rules, such as "i before e except after c" - but that doesn't mean that you should be here for decades and still need an interpreter for everyday life. Sorry, but to me, that's bullshit. > I mentioned speech pathologists because your belief in learning a new > language is a strong one, and can only be disassembled by speaking to > someone whose business it is to know these things. The human brain is far > more receptive to new languages at a younger age, which is why parents who > use baby talk with babies should be whacked upside the head with a brick. > That's when kids' brains are like sponges for language. I'm well aware that children learn language more easily, so that's a moot point for me. > I'm not saying that immigrants shouldn't try to learn English, but the > fact is, it's a bitch to do for the vast majority of older people. The [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > off the highway or order food. Not as good a tool as speaking to someone, > but still, a useful tool. Agreed - I personally don't have a problem with bilingual aids, I think it's a good idea, but most people who immigrate (from Mexico, anyway) are usually under 30 years old, many are still in their teens, since making the journey is very dangerous and physically demanding. > I saw an interesting phenomenon a few years ago. A friend had moved here > from Puerto Rico to go to grad school when she was 21. They take English [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > was weird. I finally managed to say "speak more slowly" in Spanish, and > figured out that due to her drunken state, she couldn't speak English! I understand that in parts of Europe, kids are required to learn a second language, often English. I think that's a good idea. I think kids in this country should be required to learn at least one foreign language (not necessarily Spanish). Just to make us better global citizens. > I found this very interesting, and on a rare day when my ex (a speech > pathologist) wasn't pissed off at me, I asked her about it. She gave me a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the brain. My friend had temporarily lost the ability to speak her 2nd > language for that reason. :-) Interesting, but not my point. > > It's not as easy as you imagine. See above. Natalie > "JoeSpareBedroom" ... >> "Wickeddoll®" ... [quoted text clipped - 231 lines] > > Natalie At the moment, I'm reminded of a guy here in Rochester who wanted to take Eastman Kodak to court because they wouldn't promote him to a new position: Communicating in person and in writing with the Wall Street investment community. They wouldn't promote him because obviously, the job required the ability to speak English. His first language was ebonics. I don't recall the exact details, but I think the newspaper said the judge advised the guy's attorney to tell him "You must be kidding." The case never got past step one. We should fix our own problems. "JoeSpareBedroom" ... > "Wickeddoll®" *snipped for brevity* > At the moment, I'm reminded of a guy here in Rochester who wanted to take > Eastman Kodak to court because they wouldn't promote him to a new [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > We should fix our own problems. Hoo boy. I'm embarrassed for my people. Natalie > "JoeSpareBedroom" ... >> "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Natalie I would've liked to ask him where he even got the idea that anyone who talks like Snoop Dogg had ever done the kind of job he wanted. Envision the annual shareholder's meeting. It nuts to even imagine. Perfect for a sit-com, though. A really bad sit-com. > "JoeSpareBedroom" ... >> "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Natalie (Stealing a line from Blazing Saddles) Are we awake? That depends. Are we black? Yes we are. Then we are awake but very very confused. Ok, I've read bits and pieces of Frederik Douglass, G.W. Carver, Booker T. Washington and others in school They could communicate in Engilsh as well as any white man.(Better than some!) Dr King, too. Look at his "I have A Dream" speach. In some way Dr King could turn a phrase as well as Winston Churchill, and uses many of the same tools to inspire, to exhort, to make us want to work toward that better status, that better tomorrrow. Every schoolchild and prospective new citizen should learn good English. If there is time, (and I think with 12 years of school there ought to be time somewhere) to teach the glories of English. Not just the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Gettysburg Address, but Shakespeare and others who wrote and spoke in majestic, regal English. Maybe some of Churchill's speeches, too. They'll cover the "I Have A Dream" speech, of course, but maybe they might take time to discover some of the roots of that speech. Not only linguistically but culturally. Stretch the kids' minds, reach out and touch the better part of ourselves. (Now, Joe, that isn't your better part. . . .) Maybe even dust off that old Book that Joe and his ilk have been trying to ban since the 60's. There's some pretty good stuff in there. SignatureCharles the Curmugeon Bring back the Rotary Dial and the days when no one had to press 1 to continue in English. > "Wickeddoll®" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Then we are awake but very very confused. hehehehe - that movie rawks. > Ok, I've read bits and pieces of Frederik Douglass, G.W. Carver, Booker T. > Washington and others in school They could communicate in Engilsh as > well as any white man.(Better than some!) Dr King, too. Look at his "I > have A Dream" speach. In some way Dr King could turn a phrase as well as > Winston Churchill, and uses many of the same tools to inspire, to exhort, > to make us want to work toward that better status, that better tomorrrow. Good communication can be so lovely. > Every schoolchild and prospective new citizen should learn good English. > If there is time, (and I think with 12 years of school there ought to be [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > and his ilk have been trying to ban since the 60's. There's some pretty > good stuff in there. I don't remember seeing Joe advocate book-banning. :-) Natalie >> "Wickeddoll®" ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > Natalie Charles has been firmly instructed to believe someone wanted to ban a certain book. He must obey his masters and repeat the rumor. "JoeSpareBedroom" ... > "Wickeddoll®" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > Charles has been firmly instructed to believe someone wanted to ban a > certain book. He must obey his masters and repeat the rumor. Just guessing, I think he may mean the Bible. Natalie >> "Wickeddoll®" ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > Natalie Joe hates Christianity and anybody of that ilk. Therefore he must hate the Book that is their guide. Since I don't read his Troll messages anymore, I suspect he will berate it as a book of stories and fairy tales. (The only "fairy" tale in there is the one about Sodom and Gomorrah, that's why it's legally called sodomy.) SignatureCharles the Curmugeon Bring back the Rotary Dial and the days when no one had to press 1 to continue in English. >>> "Wickeddoll®" ... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > Joe hates Christianity and anybody of that ilk. Therefore he must hate the > Book that is their guide. No, you moron. Hating a book would be a waste of energy. But think (if possible) about this for a moment: Anyone can concoct a religion, invent a reason for a geographic location to be considered special, and declare themselves holy. Since anyone can do these things, that shrinks the factual importance of religion down to size. You will now disagree with this. You will now begin foaming at the mouth, and you will type another one of your insane messages. Before you do so, maybe you can tell me how a 14 year old kid concocted a religion that been very much in the news lately, and why a town on the Erie Canal in NY is a holy place to followers of this religion. >> "JoeSpareBedroom" ... >>> "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > and his ilk have been trying to ban since the 60's. There's some pretty > good stuff in there. Which book has someone been trying to ban since the 60s??? > The human brain is far more receptive to new languages at > a younger age, which is why parents who use baby talk with > babies should be whacked upside the head with a brick. > That's when kids' brains are like sponges for language. That's why my mother always disapproved of using baby talk, even when speaking to the dog and cat. >> The human brain is far more receptive to new languages at >> a younger age, which is why parents who use baby talk with [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > That's why my mother always disapproved of using baby talk, even when > speaking to the dog and cat. How did the pets turn out? Great vocabulary? > The human brain is far more receptive to new languages at > a younger age, which is why parents who use baby talk with [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > How did the pets turn out? Great vocabulary? I think they each understood about 20 words, and the dog frequently went "rooooooooo" instead of barking. It also learned to turn on the old TV by pulling out the knob, so my father made a remote control with 2 big buttons and trained the dog to use it by wiping each button with meat. >> The human brain is far more receptive to new languages at >> a younger age, which is why parents who use baby talk with [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > with 2 big buttons and trained the dog to use it by wiping each button > with meat. rooooooo? The dog was trying to say "roux". It wanted some kind of sauce on its dinner. Maybe the humans needed a better vocabulary. :-) >> The human brain is far more receptive to new languages at >> a younger age, which is why parents who use baby talk with [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > That's why my mother always disapproved of using baby talk, even when > speaking to the dog and cat. There's ample evidence that baby talk stunts child development. My wife and I never did so with our three, and all are intelligent, eloquent speakers. >>> The human brain is far more receptive to new languages at >>> a younger age, which is why parents who use baby talk with [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and I never did so with our three, and all are intelligent, eloquent > speakers. I used to read to mine when he was a month old. One relative used to tell me that was dumb. But, she also used to show objects to her 10 month old niece and ask "What's this, honey?" When the kid didn't come up with the right word, she'd complain that she had some sort of vocabulary or speech problems. She'd be showing a kid a pair of pliers or a can opener. Right. Every kid is born knowing those words. :-) This is the same woman who once said to someone's fiancée "It's gonna so interesting to have a Jew in the family. I'm so excited!" Anyway, it's never too early for words. >> There's ample evidence that baby talk stunts child development. My wife >> and I never did so with our three, and all are intelligent, eloquent [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > This is the same woman who once said to someone's fiancée "It's gonna so > interesting to have a Jew in the family. I'm so excited!" Apparently her "up-bringing" didn't include tact or manners. > Anyway, it's never too early for words. <\serious mode> True. I'm excited to have a Jew on our usenet group. </serious mode> "witfal" < "JoeSpareBedroom" said: >>> There's ample evidence that baby talk stunts child development. My wife >>> and I never did so with our three, and all are intelligent, eloquent [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > </serious mode> Oh brother. Is he a credit to his faith, too? *rolling eyes* Natalie >> Apparently her "up-bringing" didn't include tact or manners. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > *rolling eyes* No, but he's got rhythm. "witfal" "Wickeddoll®" said: >>> Apparently her "up-bringing" didn't include tact or manners. >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > No, but he's got rhythm. *fwap* Natalie > "witfal" > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > *fwap* Thank you, ma'am. May I have another? "witfal" "Wickeddoll®" >> said: >>>>> Apparently her "up-bringing" didn't include tact or manners. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Thank you, ma'am. May I have another? Forget it, Neidermeyer. Natalie >>>> No, but he's got rhythm. >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Forget it, Neidermeyer. Sorry. I bear no resemblance to Metcalf. The guy is a bean pole with no muscle. Have you seen him lately? That guy looks OLD. "witfal" "Wickeddoll®" said: >>>>> No, but he's got rhythm. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Have you seen him lately? That guy looks OLD. I think he looks pretty good for 62 - sheesh, give him a break! Natalie >> Have you seen him lately? That guy looks OLD. > > I think he looks pretty good for 62 - sheesh, give him a break! Just so you keep us comfortably separated, dear. "witfal" "Wickeddoll®" said: >>> Have you seen him lately? That guy looks OLD. >> >> I think he looks pretty good for 62 - sheesh, give him a break! > > Just so you keep us comfortably separated, dear. *rolling eyes* Natalie > "witfal" > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > *rolling eyes* Oh-oh. > "witfal" > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Natalie I thought that was Kevin Bacon. Definitely a pork product Charles the Curmudgeon. <n5hsr@comcast.net> .. > "Wickeddoll®" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Charles the Curmudgeon. Bacon's character *was* the person who uttered the line, but I didn't want Wit's ego to get out of control. Natalie > Bacon's character *was* the person who uttered the line, but I didn't want > Wit's ego to get out of control. That's not very nice, Natalie. I'm crushed. I'm sure you know that. "witfal" "Wickeddoll®" > said: >> Bacon's character *was* the person who uttered the line, but I didn't [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'm crushed. I'm sure you know that. Yeah. I'm just sick about it. Natalie > "witfal" > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I'm just sick about it. <g> SignatureCharles the Curmugeon Bring back the Rotary Dial and the days when no one had to press 1 to continue in English. > > <n5hsr@comcast.net> .. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Natalie Wit's just crushed because he missed out on pledge week and couldn't even get into Delta Tau Chi. Actually Wit couldn't even pledged to a woman's sorority. SignatureCharles the Curmugeon Bring back the Rotary Dial and the days when no one had to press 1 to continue in English. > On 2008-01-30 10:53:23 -0800, "Wickeddoll�" > <wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> said: > >> Apparently her "up-bringing" didn't include tact or manners. > >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > No, but he's got rhythm. And he's one of the good ones. witfal wrote: > On 2008-01-30 10:53:23 -0800, "Wickeddoll?" > <wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> said: > >> Apparently her "up-bringing" didn't include tact or manners. > >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > No, but he's got rhythm. And he's one of the good ones. ================= Stand back. I'm gonna bust a move right now. "JoeSpareBedroom" ... > "Johnny Hageyama" ... > > witfal wrote: "Wickeddoll?" said: >> >> Apparently her "up-bringing" didn't include tact or manners. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Stand back. I'm gonna bust a move right now. *blinded by all the whiteness* Natalie > "JoeSpareBedroom" ... >> "Johnny Hageyama" ... [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Natalie Hey! No comments from the peanut gallery, chocolate face! :-) I can say that because my son just called and said "yo vanilla face" because the Borat movie is still part of teenage culture. "JoeSpareBedroom" ... > "Wickeddoll®" ... >>> "Johnny Hageyama" ... [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > I can say that because my son just called and said "yo vanilla face" > because the Borat movie is still part of teenage culture. *rolling eyes* Hubby and son love that tacky movie. Natalie > "JoeSpareBedroom" ... >> "Wickeddoll®" ... [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Natalie Obviously, hubby and son have excellent taste in cinema. What happened to you? :-) "JoeSpareBedroom" ... > "Wickeddoll®" ... >>>>> "Johnny Hageyama" ... [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > Obviously, hubby and son have excellent taste in cinema. What happened to > you? :-) I hang around this place - obviously I have issues. Natalie > "JoeSpareBedroom" ... >> "Wickeddoll®" ... [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Natalie Obviously. I suggest that you rent "Caddy Shack" and "Animal House", and watch them continuously for the next 30 days. "JoeSpareBedroom" ... > "Wickeddoll®" ... >>>>>>> "Johnny Hageyama" ... [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > Obviously. I suggest that you rent "Caddy Shack" and "Animal House", and > watch them continuously for the next 30 days. Loved Animal House - hated Caddy Shack. Go figure. Natalie > "JoeSpareBedroom" ... >> "Wickeddoll®" ... [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > Natalie Oh come on. Rodney's insane pants weren't good enough for you? :-) >> Loved Animal House - hated Caddy Shack. Go figure. >> >> Natalie > > Oh come on. Rodney's insane pants weren't good enough for you? :-) Sorry, Joe. I gotta side with Natalie on this one. A-House was a far better movie. >>> Loved Animal House - hated Caddy Shack. Go figure. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Sorry, Joe. I gotta side with Natalie on this one. A-House was a far > better movie. I loved "Animal House"; tried to watch "Caddyshack" once & turned it off... Cathy >>>> Loved Animal House - hated Caddy Shack. Go figure. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Cathy And you think *I* am a godless heathen??? "I could tell my parents hated me. The first bath toy they gave me was a toaster!" -Rodney "JoeSpareBedroom" ... > "Cathy F." ... >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > toaster!" > -Rodney Love Rodney's one-liners, but he didn't need that movie to make them funny. He was just being himself. I think of Caddy Shack as a "guy's movie" like *any* of the Three Stooges' stuff. I like Curly, but Moe was such a bullying a.shole, he came off as just cruel for no reason. Slapstick can be funny, but not when it's unprovoked. Moe was an effing sociopath, and Larry was a wimp. At least Curly was sweet. Whoa, I'm thinking about this crap too much! Natalie >> And you think *I* am a godless heathen??? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Love Rodney's one-liners, but he didn't need that movie to make them > funny. He was just being himself. He was having a kind of renaissance with this movie. A whole new generation had discovered his humor, and he was getting a 'second wind' when he was cast for this movie. Prior to this he was on Carson and the other night and daytime celeb shows. "Hachiroku" Wickeddoll® wrote: >>> And you think *I* am a godless heathen??? >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > when he was cast for this movie. Prior to this he was on Carson and the > other night and daytime celeb shows. I remember - college kids *loved* him. Natalie >>> Loved Animal House - hated Caddy Shack. Go figure. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Sorry, Joe. I gotta side with Natalie on this one. A-House was a far > better movie. C'mon, you guys! These are the movies I throw the TV Brick at!!!! "JoeSpareBedroom" ... > "Wickeddoll®"... >>>>>>>>> "Johnny Hageyama" ... [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Oh come on. Rodney's insane pants weren't good enough for you? :-) The fake-looking gopher was the best part. Natalie >> Stand back. I'm gonna bust a move right now. > > *blinded by all the whiteness* Pretty fly for a white guy. "witfal" "Wickeddoll®" said: >>> Stand back. I'm gonna bust a move right now. >> >> *blinded by all the whiteness* > > Pretty fly for a white guy. Gawd, you guys are pathetic :-) Natalie > "witfal" > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Natalie Nah, we're just uptight whities! ;) > > There's ample evidence that baby talk stunts child development. My wife > > and I never did so with our three, and all are intelligent, eloquent [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > This is the same woman who once said to someone's fiance "It's gonna be so > interesting to have a Jew in the family. I'm so excited!" What happened after the "new Jew" novelty wore off? One way my mother embarasses me in public is by asking if I'm cold, and when I tell her I'm not, she says she knows otherwise and points to my chest for the proof. She's also done that to my wife, but fortunately she isn't offended because her own mother does the same thing. >> > There's ample evidence that baby talk stunts child development. My >> > wife [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > fortunately she isn't offended because her own mother does the same > thing. Well, once she said the Jew thing, it was like Bush saying "Is our children learning?" She earned a permanent idiot stamp on her forehead. She still did stupid things, like arriving at parties coughing and sneezing, but trying to kiss everyone on the lips. I'm very good at looking right through people to the point where they question whether they really exist. It worked well on her, according to my spies. > 'm very good at looking right through people to the point where they > question whether they really exist. It worked well on > her, according to my spies. I've got that same ability. One of my brothers-in-law is my "target". He hates me. I love that. If you've ever read the comic strip "Willy 'n Ethel", my BIL is Willy in real life, just skinny with a pot-belly. "witfal" Johnny Hageyama said: >>> The human brain is far more receptive to new languages at >>> a younger age, which is why parents who use baby talk with [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and I never did so with our three, and all are intelligent, eloquent > speakers. And besides, baby-talk is ANNOYING. Natalie >> "Wickeddoll®"... >>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 120 lines] > > Natalie I don't dislike most of them, just the ones that think I ought to learn their language when I was here FIRST, and I think they ought to learn the language of my country, American English. Hell, I wouldn't even mind if they learned Southern English, just so long as it's English. I don't mind the occasional Y'alls and Fixin' to's. (My dad used to have a fit daily over "fixin' to" What's broke about it? he'd say. And that's from a guy whose Mom was born about 40 miles from Gulfport Mississippi. I don't think you can get too much further South than that, unless you're wearing scuba gear.) We've become multilingual. I've seen health care people from India (mostly good English, I have heard them speaking Hindi to each other), Bulgaria (thick accent but understandable, and they're working on the accent.), Phillipines (sic) (They speak to each other in Tagalog, but their English is good.) The one thing we have in common besides the 3,600,000+ square miles of dirt we're living on is English. If you speak English, the majority will understand your message. (In health care that can get very vital!) Part of the reason I had such trouble with my diet when I was in the rehab unit 5 yers ago is half the kitchen staff couldn't read English. It was 3 days before I was released that the head of dietary came round and asked about why I was such a picky eater. (They thought I wasn't ready to leave.) When I explained about my diet, you could just about see her jaw drop. Didn't have any trouble the last couple days, but I explained the diet to my nurse when they brought me in. 5 weeks before and to everyone that brought me a meal for nearly 5 weeks. I might as well have been speaking Ig-pay Atin-lay. It's almost like instead of reversing the curse of the Tower of Babel, we're repeating it. (I realize JoeNoBedroom is going to make some smart-a$$ remark about God being a magician and confunding the language, etc. But I don't see any of his messages anymore, and if I see one in a reply, I'm ignoring his ignorance from here on out.) Charles SignatureCharles the Curmugeon Bring back the Rotary Dial and the days when no one had to press 1 to continue in English. > As I said, I believe anyone coming to this country should learn the > language. My parents were fluent before they came to the US, but when my siblings and I were growing up there were occasions when we wished they would have spoken to each other in their native language to prevent us from understanding what they were saying. :( >> "Scott in Florida" >> "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >I hope to be able to retire to Florida someday. The good part, not the >FloriDUH part. The West Coast is not Duh.... The Duh in Flori DUH is the Dim controlled localities. SignatureScott in Florida > >I hope to be able to retire to Florida someday. The good part, not the > >FloriDUH part. > > The West Coast is not Duh.... > > The Duh in Flori DUH is the Dim controlled localities. You should work on your messages and rewrite them for 3-4 hours before you post them. > "Scott in Florida" > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Natalie, a shiverer, not a perspirer Yep, one can always add layers of clothing if it's cold. Whereas one can only take off so much clothing before getting arrested for indecency, & one can even get down to bare skin, & -still- be way too hot & uncomfortable! Cathy > > Read...my...lips...NO HOT CLIMATES. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Yep, one can always add layers of clothing if it's cold. But one can add layers of air conditioning if it's not, and to keep that air conditioning working, have it serviced annually by these people: http://tinyurl.com/29glle > Whereas one can only take off so much clothing before getting arrested for indecency, Not those of us regularly work out and use the new Gillette Fusion Back Shaving System. <beerspill@whoever.com> ... Cathy F. wrote: > "Wickeddoll?"... > > Read...my...lips...NO HOT CLIMATES. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Yep, one can always add layers of clothing if it's cold. But one can add layers of air conditioning if it's not, and to keep that air conditioning working, have it serviced annually by these people: http://tinyurl.com/29glle > Whereas one can only take off so much clothing before getting arrested for > indecency, Not those of us regularly work out and use the new Gillette Fusion Back Shaving System. WAY more information than I ever wanted from you. Natalie > Whereas one can > only take off so much clothing before getting arrested for indecency, & one > can even get down to bare skin, & -still- be way too hot & uncomfortable! GET OUT THE BIKINI CAM!!!!!!!!! (or in this case, the Birthday Suit cam????) >"Scott in Florida" > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Natalie, a shiverer, not a perspirer LOL... We will end up with a house in Mass and one in Florida. Can you say....Snow Birds? SignatureScott in Florida >> "Wickeddoll®" >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Can you say....Snow Birds? Snow birds; yet another reason I don't want to move back to Florida. Natalie > Read...my...lips...NO HOT CLIMATES. > > Got it? > > Good. Funny. I plan on retiring in Venice, Fla. "witfal" "Wickeddoll®" said: >> Read...my...lips...NO HOT CLIMATES. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Funny. I plan on retiring in Venice, Fla. More power to ya - hubby isn't wild about cold weather/snow, since he was born/raised in Massachusetts, but he wants to live in a place where the home team is New England-based. So, he's willing to put up with the weather. We'll probably move to New Hampshire, for the tax-free status, and to more easily visit the family (there are very few of his family in the U.S.; my family is huge down in Florida) What can I say? The guy's a sports nut, which for once, is a good thing for me! Natalie >> Funny. I plan on retiring in Venice, Fla. > > More power to ya - hubby isn't wild about cold weather/snow, since he was > born/raised in Massachusetts, but he wants to live in a place where the home > team is New England-based. A method to his madness. ;-) > So, he's willing to put up with the weather. > We'll probably move to New Hampshire, for the tax-free status, and to more [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > What can I say? The guy's a sports nut, which for once, is a good thing for > me! Hmm. I wonder what Freud would say about that last statement. "witfal" "Wickeddoll®" said: >>> Funny. I plan on retiring in Venice, Fla. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > A method to his madness. ;-) Nothing mad about it - New England is cool. >> So, he's willing to put up with the weather. >> We'll probably move to New Hampshire, for the tax-free status, and to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Hmm. I wonder what Freud would say about that last statement. :-P Natalie > We'll probably move to New Hampshire, for the tax-free status, WHAT?!?!?! Have you paid property taxes in NH? Makes up for the lack of other taxes! "Hachiroku" Wickeddoll® wrote: >> We'll probably move to New Hampshire, for the tax-free status, > > WHAT?!?!?! Have you paid property taxes in NH? Makes up for the lack of > other taxes! No it doesn't. Mainly, because the appraisals on homes in NH is nowhere near as preposterous as Taxachusetts. Natalie > "Hachiroku" > Wickeddoll® wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Natalie Perhaps not when you were there. I think I'd have another look... Unless, of course, you're talking about East Overshoe. Have a look at Nashua! "Hachiroku" Wickeddoll® wrote: >>>> We'll probably move to New Hampshire, for the tax-free status, >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Perhaps not when you were there. I think I'd have another look... Maybe on the coast > Unless, of course, you're talking about East Overshoe. Have a look at > Nashua! See above. We'll probably go rural again. Safe, peaceful, clean and cheap. :-) Natalie >> Read...my...lips...NO HOT CLIMATES. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Funny. I plan on retiring in Venice, Fla. Good! There is a great 'cheers' type place for brekky in Venice. SignatureScott in Florida > "Jeff Strickland" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > Natalie I have some nice land I can sell you on the CT river for next to nothing... "Hachiroku" Wickeddoll® wrote: >> We attended some festivals when we lived in New England, and since we >> plan [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I have some nice land I can sell you on the CT river for next to > nothing... Massachusetts? Not in this lifetime. Natalie > "Hachiroku" > Wickeddoll® wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Natalie Why? It's nice here! Things are a lot better than when your husband was in Hell-Hole.. "Hachiroku" Wickeddoll® wrote: >>>> We attended some festivals when we lived in New England, and since we >>>> plan [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Why? It's nice here! Things are a lot better than when your husband was in > Hell-Hole.. Tax-a-chusetts is for the birds. Everything costs way more there than it should. Natalie > "Hachiroku" > Wickeddoll® wrote: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Natalie Some nice things about NH: No sales tax (I go to Keene 2x a week...bet I save my shopping for then! Just don't get gigged coming back across the border, esp w/ciggies!) No Income Tax: When I lived in Nashua, I paid a $10 residency fee at the Town Hall every year. The bad things: Who the HELL designed their road system. The town I want to go to is west from here, so I go west, and wind up at...Dartmouth?!?!? HUH?! Property taxes. With what I pay for property taxes and income taxes here in Taxachusetts, I think I'm actually ahead... "Hachiroku" Wickeddoll® wrote: >>>>>> We attended some festivals when we lived in New England, and since we >>>>>> plan [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Who the HELL designed their road system. The town I want to go to is west > from here, so I go west, and wind up at...Dartmouth?!?!? HUH?! Doncha love how many freaking rotaries there are?! And you start out on a street with a particular name, you drive further up, and it changes names several times. > Property taxes. With what I pay for property taxes and income taxes here > in Taxachusetts, I think I'm actually ahead... Bet you aren't, but hey, to each their own. Hubby and I have no desire to live in Massachusetts, so the matter is settled. LOL Natalie > "Hachiroku" > Wickeddoll® wrote: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > street with a particular name, you drive further up, and it changes names > several times. Sounds exactly like the UK! No wonder you like it. ;-) Cathy >> Property taxes. With what I pay for property taxes and income taxes here >> in Taxachusetts, I think I'm actually ahead... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Natalie "Cathy F."... > "Wickeddoll®" >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Cathy Haven't been there. Yet. Natalie > "Cathy F."... >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Haven't been there. Yet. You'll get there someday. More rotaries than you can count. And esp. in London (where there actually aren't many rotaries - if any, come to think of it...), street names frequently change at intersections. Cathy > Natalie > You'll get there someday. More rotaries than you can count. And esp. in > London (where there actually aren't many rotaries - if any, come to think of > it...), street names frequently change at intersections. Round-abouts (never heard them called rotaries) really work well there. My first driving experience in the UK was in London. Not for the feint-of-heart. I particularly liked the yellow-before-red-and-again-before-green light upon which you may go if conditions permit. Great for aggressive drivers. Most in London qualify. ;-) "witfal" "Cathy F." said: >> You'll get there someday. More rotaries than you can count. And esp. in >> London (where there actually aren't many rotaries - if any, come to think [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > conditions permit. Great for aggressive drivers. Most in London qualify. > ;-) Well, since I won't be driving there, I don't mind how the roads are LOL Natalie > "witfal" > "Cathy F." [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > LOL The roads are actually great. I drove over 1200 miles during our last trip there with no near-anything bad. Drivers, outside of London that is, were very courteous. A single finger lifted off the steering wheel (index, not middle) was a common salutation when driving by someone going the opposite direction on the narrow hamlet roads. >> "witfal" >> "Cathy F." [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > (index, not middle) was a common salutation when driving by someone going > the opposite direction on the narrow hamlet roads. re: the rural roads: That's *if* you could pass without pulling over halfway up the hedge, or backing up into a lay-by to let the other car pass! ;-P Cathy >>> Well, since I won't be driving there, I don't mind how the roads are >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > re: the rural roads: That's *if* you could pass without pulling over halfway > up the hedge, or backing up into a lay-by to let the other car pass! ;-P Exactly! There was nothing but courtesy. Very unusual stuff. ;-) Whaddya mean, Macs are better, sorry, Billy? Hmmmmm? Come on now, speak up!!!! > Whaddya mean, Macs are better, sorry, Billy? Hmmmmm? Come on now, speak up!!!! They are. Particularly my new 24" iMac, just delivered last Friday. 2.8 gHz, etc. on a stable operating system. Good stuff. http://www.apple.com/imac/technology/display.html I'm typing this message on it. >> Whaddya mean, Macs are better, sorry, Billy? Hmmmmm? Come on now, speak >> up!!!! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I'm typing this message on it. A lot of my contacs say, "I've had it!!!! I'm getting a Mac!!!" Girl today (in the GEOLOGY lab! More on that later!) said "These things are EVIL!!!!" >>> Whaddya mean, Macs are better, sorry, Billy? Hmmmmm? Come on now, speak >>> up!!!! [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Girl today (in the GEOLOGY lab! More on that later!) said "These things > are EVIL!!!!" I assume she meant that PCs are evil. Macs just work. >>>> Whaddya mean, Macs are better, sorry, Billy? Hmmmmm? Come on now, speak >>>> up!!!! [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > I assume she meant that PCs are evil. Macs just work. She asked about what ctrl-P did in Excel on a Mac. The guy with me said, "Isn't that "Print"? She said, In the real world, maybe. I made a remark about how I didn't know, since Macs are what they give the kiddies in elementary schools. She didn't say anything. As she was leaving I said, I hope my Mac Attack didn't offend you! That's when she said Macs are evil... >>>>> Whaddya mean, Macs are better, sorry, Billy? Hmmmmm? Come on now, speak >>>>> up!!!! [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > As she was leaving I said, I hope my Mac Attack didn't offend you! That's > when she said Macs are evil... Mac uses the command key. Pretty much for everything. Command-P for print, Command-N for a new browser window. Over all, their keyboard commands make far more sense than WinBlows. >>>>>> Whaddya mean, Macs are better, sorry, Billy? Hmmmmm? Come on now, >>>>>> speak [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Over all, their keyboard commands make far more sense than WinBlows. If they're the exact same commands, how can they make more sense? :-) >> Mac uses the command key. Pretty much for everything. Command-P for >> print, Command-N for a new browser window. >> >> Over all, their keyboard commands make far more sense than WinBlows. > > If they're the exact same commands, how can they make more sense? :-) They're not exactly the same. I've never understood why WinBlows often doesn't use the letter that corresponds to the first within the command word needed. I.E. "P" for print, "C" for copy, etc. OS X is far more instinctual...and stable. >>> Mac uses the command key. Pretty much for everything. Command-P for >>> print, Command-N for a new browser window. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > word needed. I.E. "P" for print, "C" for copy, etc. OS X is far more > instinctual...and stable. Windows uses P for print and C for copy. Can't use P for paste for obvious reasons. It's already used for printing. What does the Mac use for paste? > Windows uses P for print and C for copy. Can't use P for paste for obvious > reasons. It's already used for printing. What does the Mac use for paste? Command-V by default, since P was taken. However key remapping is permitted within the operating system. You can reassign what you want, something not permitted within Windows XP or Vista without a registry hack. >> Windows uses P for print and C for copy. Can't use P for paste for >> obvious [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > something not permitted within Windows XP or Vista without a registry > hack. I understand. The "V" is logical for a Mac, but the same "V" is illogical for a Windoze machine. :-) I got no foither use for dis witness. >>> Windows uses P for print and C for copy. Can't use P for paste for >>> obvious [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I got no foither use for dis witness. You forgot the ability to remap, and make it <something>P for paste if you wish. >>>> Windows uses P for print and C for copy. Can't use P for paste for >>>> obvious [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > You forgot the ability to remap, and make it <something>P for paste if you > wish. What would you use for Print? > What would you use for Print? Your choice. >> What would you use for Print? > > Your choice. I'm thinking "P". :-) Break time: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1693824 >>> What would you use for Print? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Break time: > http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1693824 Freakin' hilarious. >> Windows uses P for print and C for copy. Can't use P for paste for >> obvious reasons. It's already used for printing. What does the Mac use [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > something not permitted within Windows XP or Vista without a registry > hack. CTRL-V is paste in Windows, and actually goes back to WordStar, IIRC... >>> Windows uses P for print and C for copy. Can't use P for paste for >>> obvious reasons. It's already used for printing. What does the Mac use [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >CTRL-V is paste in Windows, and actually goes back to WordStar, IIRC... Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh WordStar........ All that was back when Apple's were toys.... Have they improved? SignatureScott in Florida >>>> Windows uses P for print and C for copy. Can't use P for paste for >>>> obvious reasons. It's already used for printing. What does the Mac use [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> > Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh WordStar........ Shoot...now we're BOTH showing our ages... > All that was back when Apple's were toys.... > > Have they improved? >>> Windows uses P for print and C for copy. Can't use P for paste for >>> obvious reasons. It's already used for printing. What does the Mac use [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > CTRL-V is paste in Windows, and actually goes back to WordStar, IIRC... But WinBlows doesn't permit your remapping the key combos unless you resort to the mentioned registry hack. >>>> Windows uses P for print and C for copy. Can't use P for paste for >>>> obvious reasons. It's already used for printing. What does the Mac use [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > But WinBlows doesn't permit your remapping the key combos unless you > resort to the mentioned registry hack. Oh well. I guess that means you have a bigger dick. :-) >>> CTRL-V is paste in Windows, and actually goes back to WordStar, IIRC... >> >> But WinBlows doesn't permit your remapping the key combos unless you >> resort to the mentioned registry hack. > > Oh well. I guess that means you have a bigger dick. :-) That's beside the point. >> "Cathy F."... >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Cathy ROUNDABOUTS!!!! ROUNDABOUTS!!!! >> Natalie > "Hachiroku" > Wickeddoll® wrote: [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > street with a particular name, you drive further up, and it changes names > several times. In Keene they did away with 3 intersections...and replaced them with rotaries!!!! Everybody else in the world is doing away with them, but here in NE, we build more! >> Property taxes. With what I pay for property taxes and income taxes here >> in Taxachusetts, I think I'm actually ahead... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Natalie You should come out to where I am. "Hachiroku" Wickeddoll® wrote: >>>>>>>> We attended some festivals when we lived in New England, and since >>>>>>>> we plan [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > Everybody else in the world is doing away with them, but here in NE, we > build more! Figures. >>> Property taxes. With what I pay for property taxes and income taxes here >>> in Taxachusetts, I think I'm actually ahead... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You should come out to where I am. Don't get me wrong - there are beautiful parts of Massachusetts (we both love the Cape), and up north there are rural areas, but we don't like the government structure of MA. Not to mention the growth rate; even the nice places will be eaten up over the decades. Natalie >> You should come out to where I am. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Natalie Population in Mass is aging and declining... >>> You should come out to where I am. >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Population in Mass is aging and declining... ............and the number is going down. From the looks of the roads down here, you Mass Holes are headed South. We still have room, Hachi!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SignatureScott in Florida >>>> You should come out to where I am. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > We still have room, Hachi!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like snow at Christmas... I think... >>>>> You should come out to where I am. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >I think... I took pictures......this Christmas. SignatureScott in Florida >>> You should come out to where I am. >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Population in Mass is aging and declining... But apparently giving us the next POTUS. >>> Don't get me wrong - there are beautiful parts of Massachusetts (we >>> both love the Cape), and up north there are rural areas, but we don't [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > But apparently giving us the next POTUS. Say it ain't so... Prediction: Mass Primary will be Obama and McCain... >>>> Don't get me wrong - there are beautiful parts of Massachusetts (we >>>> both love the Cape), and up north there are rural areas, but we don't [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Prediction: Mass Primary will be Obama and McCain... At this point I believe the election is Romney's to lose. > >>>> Don't get me wrong - there are beautiful parts of Massachusetts (we > >>>> both love the Cape), and up north there are rural areas, but we don't [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > At this point I believe the election is Romney's to lose. McCain has a lot of baggage from his time in the Senate, but......I'd take him over the other party. For some reason I don't trust Romney either, but....I'd take him over the other party. Signature"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton >> >>>> Don't get me wrong - there are beautiful parts of Massachusetts (we >> >>>> both love the Cape), and up north there are rural areas, but we don't [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > take him over the other party. For some reason I don't trust Romney > either, but....I'd take him over the other party. That about sums it up, but if it comes down to Hillary/Romney, I think I'll sit my third Pres. election out. Romney's "Health Care For All" mandate is hemmoraging red ink. Hillary thinks it's a good idea. That speaks volumes in itself, eh? Even ROMNEY is running from his "Health Care" plan!!!! > >> >>>> Don't get me wrong - there are beautiful parts of Massachusetts (we > >> >>>> both love the Cape), and up north there are rural areas, but we don't [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Even ROMNEY is running from his "Health Care" plan!!!! That's a big YUK for me too. My guess is McCain spells big trouble for the dimmies even though he has this load of baggage. Remember he sided with some democrats on a few issues, how they gonna counter that. Signature"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton >>>>>>>> Don't get me wrong - there are beautiful parts of Massachusetts (we >>>>>>>> both love the Cape), and up north there are rural areas, but we don't [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > this load of baggage. Remember he sided with some democrats on a few > issues, how they gonna counter that. I like McCain. I think he is a good guy. If he is the Republican candidate in the fall, he may get my vote. I don't think he spells big trouble for anyone. To me, this isn't about right vs. left, but what's best for the country. Jeff > >>>>>>>> Don't get me wrong - there are beautiful parts of Massachusetts (we > >>>>>>>> both love the Cape), and up north there are rural areas, but we don't [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Jeff You may very well be right and I might just agree. Some have heartburn over the illegals coming into the country, but McCain said that we have to secure the borders first. Makes sense to me, otherwise they will just come right back and we'll have wasted manpower rounding them up. Signature"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton > Some have heartburn over the illegals coming into the country, but > McCain said that we have to secure the borders first. Makes sense to > me, otherwise they will just come right back and we'll have wasted > manpower rounding them up. The reality is that any immigration reform will allow a lot, lot more immigrants into the US, legal and, unintentionally, illegal, because there's no other way to placate enough Americans to accept it.. That's the way it was done the last time an immigration bill was passed, during the Reagan administration, and it's why the number of illegals is so much higher now than 20 years ago. >To me, this isn't about >right vs. left, but what's best for the country. Some day you will learn the truth. Left is wrong for any country. SignatureScott in Florida > >To me, this isn't about > >right vs. left, but what's best for the country. > > Some day you will learn the truth. > > Left is wrong for any country. Osama bin Laden agrees with you. >> My guess is McCain spells big trouble for the dimmies even though he has >> this load of baggage. Remember he sided with some democrats on a few >> issues, how they gonna counter that. > > I like McCain. I think he is a good guy. If he is the Republican candidate > in the fall, he may get my vote. The only real caveat I have is his Immigration stance. I think if he tightened it up, he'd get a LOT more Republicans voting his way... > > I like McCain. I think he is a good guy. If he is the Republican candidate > > in the fall, he may get my vote. > > The only real caveat I have is his Immigration stance. I think if he > tightened it up, he'd get a LOT more Republicans voting his way... Maybe the middle and working class Republicans, but plenty of the upper class ones who own businesses just love illegals because they're cheap, drive down everybody's wages, and prevent unions from organizing Just a few weeks ago, one resort company here, which claimed it never knowingly hired illegals, complained loudly about Arizona's new immigration law that fines employers and suspends business licenses for short periods if illegal are found working. Another problem with immigration reform is that about a third of the American-born people here look just like typical illegals, and those American citizens don't like being arrested for lacking green cards. >> >> >>>> Don't get me wrong - there are beautiful parts of Massachusetts >> >> >>>> (we [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > this load of baggage. Remember he sided with some democrats on a few > issues, how they gonna counter that. Duh. Do you think there might be ideas that both parties agree on? Or, would you prefer gridlock? I'm guessing you like gridlock, because it allows you to bitch about the do-nothing congress with low approval ratings. Without gridlock, you'd have to find something else to complain about. > I'm guessing you like gridlock, because it allows you to bitch about the > do-nothing congress with low approval ratings. Without gridlock, you'd have > to find something else to complain about. Some comedian said, "The only two certain things in life are death and taxes. But death doesn't get worse every time Congress meets." > >> >> >>>> Don't get me wrong - there are beautiful parts of Massachusetts > >> >> >>>> (we [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > do-nothing congress with low approval ratings. Without gridlock, you'd have > to find something else to complain about. You have proved to me once again that you have no clue as to how I think or what my opinions are. Because of McCain's forward thinking, he has thrust a sword into the heart of the dimmies before they even considered ducking. A preemptive strike. McCain will make mincemeat out of the dimmies. Just watch. Signature"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton > Because of McCain's forward thinking, he has thrust a sword into the > heart of the dimmies before they even considered ducking. A preemptive > strike. McCain will make mincemeat out of the dimmies. Just watch. People's admiration for McCain is proportional to the distance they live from Arizona, North Phoenix Baptist Church being an exception (because it's inside the event horizon). >> >> >>>> Don't get me wrong - there are beautiful parts of Massachusetts >> >> >>>> (we both love the Cape), and up north there are rural areas, but [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > this load of baggage. Remember he sided with some democrats on a few > issues, how they gonna counter that. We're talking Democrats here, son: "Why don't snakes bite Democrats?" "Professional Courtesy..." > Romney's "Health Care For All" mandate is hemmoraging red ink. Hillary > thinks it's a good idea. That speaks volumes in itself, eh? > > Even ROMNEY is running from his "Health Care" plan!!!! States have been lousy at running health care systems -- look at how badly Medicaid works compared to Medicare, and private insurance companies are the costliest, most bureaucratic administrators of health care, as demonstrated by every Medicare privatization experiment and the fact that Americans, with the most privatized medical insurance system in the world, spend a higher proportion of their incomes on health care than anybody else in the world. The private health insurance system is perfectly capable of bankrupting our country, and most Europeans, including the Economist magazine, have for years considered our health insurance system bankrupt. >>> Prediction: Mass Primary will be Obama and McCain... >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > take him over the other party. For some reason I don't trust Romney > either, but....I'd take him over the other party. Absolutely. I'd love to see Hillary get trounced by Obama for their nomination just for the "pain" factor. I'm no fan of McCain or Romney for that matter, but either gets my vote over either of the former. >>>> Prediction: Mass Primary will be Obama and McCain... >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I'm no fan of McCain or Romney for that matter, but either gets my vote > over either of the former. In an NPR interview, McCain said something I liked a lot. He was talking about how people want someone else to do something about our dependence on oil. Always someone else. He said he'd be happy to use the bully pulpit to tell Americans that we might need to make smarter decisions in certain areas. Not pass a law. Not "control your life". Urge and suggest, something FDR did during WWII, and nobody slammed him for it. > In an NPR interview, McCain said something I liked a lot. He was talking > about how people want someone else to do something about our dependence on [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Urge and suggest, something FDR did during WWII, and nobody slammed him for > it. What bothers me about McCain primarily is his lack of a border control policy. His Hispanic Outreach Director is a man named Juan Hernandez, well known for his 2001 Nightline interview in which he touts a "Mexico First" attitude toward immigration. He also advocates open borders between us and them. Well...more open than they already are. >> In an NPR interview, McCain said something I liked a lot. He was talking >> about how people want someone else to do something about our dependence [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > First" attitude toward immigration. He also advocates open borders > between us and them. Well...more open than they already are. It wouldn't be much different from the crossing into Canada. In places like Niagara Falls/Buffalo, they consider the Canadian side to be just another neighborhood. :) >> What bothers me about McCain primarily is his lack of a border control >> policy. His Hispanic Outreach Director is a man named Juan Hernandez, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Niagara Falls/Buffalo, they consider the Canadian side to be just another > neighborhood. :) It's not the Canuckians that bother me. Well, except for their speech patterns, eh? >>> What bothers me about McCain primarily is his lack of a border control >>> policy. His Hispanic Outreach Director is a man named Juan Hernandez, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It's not the Canuckians that bother me. Well, except for their speech > patterns, eh? I haven't been there in years, but one time, me and three buddies went over the bridge to go to the ballet, as the strip joints are known. The customs guy asked about the purpose of our visit. The driver said "To drink all your beer and steal all your women". The customs guy says "Have fun, and be safe." No ID check, no passports, no nothing. This was the early 1990s. On the way back, we each bought 5 cases of beer, which was beyond the allowable non-duty limit. We did the math and figured "Who cares? We like it." We declared all of it to the American customs guy. He said "Have a safe trip". No ID, no nothing, no tax. Things are different now. If a Pakistani comes from Canada to make a deal to buy maraging steel to make centrifuges, and customs has a perfect sting set up with the help of the manufacturer, someone in the White House will probably warn the buyer about the sting, so all the intelligence work ends up being a waste of time. Read that book I recommended. > >> What bothers me about McCain primarily is his lack of a border control > >> policy. His Hispanic Outreach Director is a man named Juan Hernandez, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > It's not the Canuckians that bother me. Well, except for their speech > patterns, eh? A lot more al Qaeda members entered through Canada than through Mexico. >> >> What bothers me about McCain primarily is his lack of a border control >> >> policy. His Hispanic Outreach Director is a man named Juan Hernandez, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > A lot more al Qaeda members entered through Canada than through > Mexico. That's because we had a LIEbrawl government in power in Canada for much of that time, i.e. 2001 and just before. A LIEbrawl government worships immigrants because most of them, these days, VOTE LIEBRAWL. >>>> What bothers me about McCain primarily is his lack of a border control >>>> policy. His Hispanic Outreach Director is a man named Juan Hernandez, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > A lot more al Qaeda members entered through Canada than through > Mexico. I would not be surprised in the least. Our neighbors to the north are nowhere near their former abilities within military, border control, or police. They're too busy watching out for legal prescription drugs crossing south, or evil American hunters with rifles going north. > In an NPR interview, McCain said something I liked a lot. He was talking > about how people want someone else to do something about our dependence on [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Urge and suggest, something FDR did during WWII, and nobody slammed him for > it. During WWII, FDR didn't merely let people voluntarily accept military service, price controls, rationing, and producing military equipment instead of consumer goods. And judging by what we've done ourselves more recently about ending our dependence on oil -- drive 2-ton vehicles even when carrying just one person and no cargo, voluntary efforts aren't enough. >> In an NPR interview, McCain said something I liked a lot. He was talking >> about how people want someone else to do something about our dependence [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > vehicles even when carrying just one person and no cargo, voluntary > efforts aren't enough. I'm 50/50 about that. Idiots, including some in this newsgroup, like to claim that suggestions are just a step away from being controlled. I'm sure politicians hear that view, so we have yet to see any of them use the bully pulpit to suggest voluntary efforts. Once a president's in office, he can use his media coverage for any purpose he wants. Of course, before he could suggest that people choose smarter cars, he'd need the balls to ignore certain types of lobbyists. And, he'd have to have the balls to remind us of the connection between our gasoline purchases and the terrorists supported by those purchases. That's tough when the Saudis are hovering around you, offering to contribute to your kid's private school and your presidential library. > In an NPR interview, McCain said something I liked a lot. He was talking > about how people want someone else to do something about our dependence [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > offering to contribute to your kid's private school and your presidential > library. Most people care more about money than patriotism, and the last time a president actually did something to cut energy consumption, he became unpopular. OK, that president was Carter, not exactly someone who inspired the nation, but he managed to get the economy to grow without making energy consumption grow as well. It also doesn't help that the media is dominated by untalented journalists (one reason: pay has dropped in half since the 1980s) who can't explain the big, important issues in big, important terms that impress people but only in terms of trivialities and political gossip that appease and entertain us. So I don't think even a President as charismatic as Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, or Ronald Reagan could inspire us much today, except in wartime, and I doubt most Americans care that most of the world's oil, almost 80%, comes from autocratic states.. >> In an NPR interview, McCain said something I liked a lot. He was talking >> about how people want someone else to do something about our dependence [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > vehicles even when carrying just one person and no cargo, voluntary > efforts aren't enough. You sound like a typical Klintoonite..you think that YOU know what's best for everyone else. Clue: mind your OWN f.cking business and somehow the rest of us will mind OURS. >>> In an NPR interview, McCain said something I liked a lot. He was talking >>> about how people want someone else to do something about our dependence [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > for everyone else. Clue: mind your OWN f.cking business and somehow the > rest of us will mind OURS. Thanks for demonstrating the point I made earlier. > McCain has a lot of baggage from his time in the Senate, Nobody cares about his involvement in the Keating 5 scandal, where McCain did his usual sellout job, or his disasterous prediction that a war in Iraq would be over in a matter of days. Instead he'll be swift boated for the right things he tried to do, like reform immigration and campaign laws. > but......I'd take him over the other party. IOW you'd prefer a man who left his first wife, the nurse who helped him recover from his untreated Vietnam war injuries, because an accident turned her into a quadriplegic. That is John McCain, my US Senator. > Well, since I'm married to a Pole, the blessing would more likely be Polish. From what I can see, you're very pole-ish. >> Well, since I'm married to a Pole, the blessing would more likely be Polish. > >From what I can see, you're very pole-ish. You really are the lowest form of pond scum.... ....but we knew that. SignatureScott in Florida "witfal" ... "Wickeddoll®" said: >> Well, since I'm married to a Pole, the blessing would more likely be >> Polish. > > From what I can see, you're very pole-ish. According to hubby, I'm "Polish by injection" MEN! Natalie > "witfal" ... > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > MEN! Exactly what I thought. ;-) >> "Wickeddoll®" ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Natalie Well, as the Poles in Roseland used to say Dziynkuja Dziyn dobry Gene Autry. SignatureCharles the Curmugeon Bring back the Rotary Dial and the days when no one had to press 1 to continue in English. Seriously, If Hillary gets the Party Nod, what do you suppose the chances are that she will select Bill for her VP? Cigars in the White House, again. Instead of Cheney's hunting trips going bad, the media -- okay, Fox News -- will fixate on Bill's dating ... > Because the budget is so far out of whack, we need someone to cook...er, > balance the books again! > > (C'mon...you should have KNOWN that me putting "I'm voting for Hillary" in > a subject line was leading to a jab...) > Seriously, > > If Hillary gets the Party Nod, what do you suppose the chances are that she > will select Bill for her VP? De facto? Unavoidable - they're soulmates in everything but love. De jure? Not constitutionally possible since P and VP each have to be from different states. >> Seriously, >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > jure? Not constitutionally possible since P and VP each have to be > from different states. I'm not so sure that's true, but it is a fact that the Vice President cannot be Willie, because if Hillary were incapacitated or died, he could not become president due to his already having served his limit of two terms. > >> Seriously, > >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > be Willie, because if Hillary were incapacitated or died, he could not > become president due to his already having served his limit of two terms. You don't have to worry about it, she's not going to be the president. Get back to your shuffle-board. Signature"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton >> Seriously, >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > jure? Not constitutionally possible since P and VP each have to be > from different states. Really? I thought the problem would be Term Limits. Bill has already served the number of terms he is limited to serving. If he is selected as the VP, and Hillary turns up dead in the park, then Bill would be the Top Dog once again, and term limits should prohibit that ... I do not recall any stipulation that the Prez and his Right Hand have to be from different states. |
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