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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Cars / February 20082008 Accord looks great
Just when Toyota thinks they dominated the sedan market with Camry, Honda comes out with the brand new Accord to make a challenge. Toyota already loses the Civic vs. Corolla war, not sure if they want to lose Camry vs. Accord either. Then again Toyota is making so much money around the world that US market might not mean that much to them as it used to. > Just when Toyota thinks they dominated the sedan market with Camry, > Honda comes out with the brand new Accord to make a challenge. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Then again Toyota is making so much money around the world that US > market might not mean that much to them as it used to. You should post that in the NG where it matters, Honda NG. > Just when Toyota thinks they dominated the sedan market with Camry, > Honda comes out with the brand new Accord to make a challenge. > > Toyota already loses the Civic vs. Corolla war, not sure if they want > to lose Camry vs. Accord either. Dunno. I had my pick of many civics and corollas parked side by side to compare. I ended up going with the corolla. I couldn't adapt to the dark "goth" interiors on the civic. Too gloomy and somewhat cheap looking. I also liked the higher seating platform of the corolla. Makes it feel bigger than it is, and is safer in a crash to small extent. Yes, the car is somewhat gay looking from the rear, but I sit in the inside, not the outside. :/ BTW, I'm not anti honda either.. Said corolla replaced an older accord. Also, I saw the commercials of the new accord, and didn't look too special to me.. Basically just another typical Sazuhondayota as far as I could tell... :/ MK > Just when Toyota thinks they dominated the sedan market with Camry, > Honda comes out with the brand new Accord to make a challenge. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Then again Toyota is making so much money around the world that US > market might not mean that much to them as it used to. Lets see if the Accord gets the Motor Trend Car of the Year =) > Just when Toyota thinks they dominated the sedan market with Camry, > Honda comes out with the brand new Accord to make a challenge. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Then again Toyota is making so much money around the world that US > market might not mean that much to them as it used to. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The rear tail lights look like the tail lights from a 2000 Sable.  SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) On Jan 24, 11:12 pm, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote: > > Just when Toyota thinks they dominated the sedan market with Camry, > > Honda comes out with the brand new Accord to make a challenge. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Ray O > (correct punctuation to reply) And Honda has to come up with a hybrid to compete with the Camry. They do have a coupe which is winner by default =) > On Jan 24, 11:12 pm, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > And Honda has to come up with a hybrid to compete with the Camry. They > do have a coupe which is winner by default =) The Solara is the coupe version of the Camry. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >> On Jan 24, 11:12 pm, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > The Solara is the coupe version of the Camry. Like he said, the Accord coupe is a winner by default :) Ed On Jan 25, 8:17 am, "C. E. White" <cewhi...@removemindspring.com> wrote: > >> On Jan 24, 11:12 pm, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> > >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Ed I was thinking of a 2007 version for the Solara. By the way, The new Accord is much bigger and will be like the Avalon. In Australia and Asia they have the Aurion (slightly bigger than the Camry) which was initially, I dont know if up to now, called the most powerful FWD car, still a 4 dr sedan. > On Jan 25, 8:17 am, "C. E. White" <cewhi...@removemindspring.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > initially, I dont know if up to now, called the most powerful FWD car, > still a 4 dr sedan. My guess is that the most powerful FWD car, at least sold in the U.S., is the V8 Impala. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > My guess is that the most powerful FWD car, at least sold in the > U.S., is the V8 Impala. I think you are right, but barely, Buick sells the same engine in a LaCrosse, but in that application it is only rated at 300 Hp. Here is a partial list of front wheel drive cars with at least 200 Hp. I had no idea their were so many (and some othese are available with AWD in addition to FWD). Chevrolet Impala V-8 - 303 Hp Cadillac DTS - 275 Hp Acura TL - 286 Hp Audi A3 - 250 Hp Audi A4 - 255 Hp Audi A5 - 265 Hp Audi A6 - 255 Hp Audi TT - 200 Hp Buick LaCrosse - 300 Hp Buick Lucerne - 292 Hp Chevrolet Malibu - 252 hp Chrysler Pacifica - 253 Hp Chrylser Sebring - 235 Hp Dodge Avenger - 235 Hp Dodge Caliber - 280 Hp Ford Edge - 265 Hp Ford Fusion / Mercury Milan - 221 Hp Ford Taurus / Mecury Sable - 263 Hp Honda Accord - 268 Hp Hyundai Azera - 263 Hp Hyundai Sonata - 234 Hp Lexus ES - 272 Hp Lincoln MKZ - 263 Hp Mazda6 - 212 Hp Mini Cooper - 207 Hp Mitsubishi Eclipse - 263 Hp Mitsubishi Galant - 258 Hp Mitsubishi Lancer - 295 Hp Nissan Altima - 270 Hp Nissan Maxima - 255 Hp Pontiac G6 - 252 Hp Saab 9-3 - 280 Hp Saab 9-5 - 250 Hp Scion tC - 200 Hp Toyota Avalon - 268 Hp Toyota Camry - 268 Hp Volkswagen GTI - 250 Hp Volkswagen Passat - 265 Hp Ed There have been FWD cars with => 200 HP for some time. I think the Ford Contour SVT had 200 HP, and the Ford Taurus SHO had 300 HP. >> My guess is that the most powerful FWD car, at least sold in the >> U.S., is the V8 Impala. [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Ed On Jan 29, 9:30 am, "C. E. White" <cewhi...@removemindspring.com> wrote: > > My guess is that the most powerful FWD car, at least sold in the > > U.S., is the V8 Impala. [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Ed great list The Aurion, supercharged V6 camry, is 323 Hp but not sold in the US. It doesn't come with AWD. > On Jan 29, 9:30 am, "C. E. White" <cewhi...@removemindspring.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > The Aurion, supercharged V6 camry, is 323 Hp but not sold in the US. > It doesn't come with AWD. That would top the list! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > > On Jan 29, 9:30 am, "C. E. White" <cewhi...@removemindspring.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > That would top the list! Someone should calculate the amount of HP needed for safety as opposed to the amount of HP available, (see above) then find out how much fuel savings would amount to over say a years time. It appears cars have too much HP and waste too much fuel because of it, ( drivers tend to like the feel of acceleration for example). Can we do better? Signature"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton >Someone should calculate the amount of HP needed for safety as opposed >to the amount of HP available, (see above) then find out how much fuel >savings would amount to over say a years time. It appears cars have too >much HP and waste too much fuel because of it, ( drivers tend to like >the feel of acceleration for example). Can we do better? You can't legislate common sense. Too many fools out there who would deliberately break that law, just like they ignore all the current ones, just to get to the next red light faster than you. I WANT to have more power than I really need - not to use every day, since I have to pay the gasoline bills. For when I see one of the fools above coming at me engrossed in an animated conversation on his cell while driving in the curb parking lane to pass traffic driving at (or slightly above) the speed limit - or worse, texting while driving, and not even looking up... I want to mash the pedal and get the heck out of the way long before he gets where I am. --<< Bruce >>-- <snipped> > Someone should calculate the amount of HP needed for safety as opposed > to the amount of HP available, (see above) then find out how much fuel > savings would amount to over say a years time. It appears cars have too > much HP and waste too much fuel because of it, ( drivers tend to like > the feel of acceleration for example). Can we do better? I guess that depends on one's definition of "better." Even if "better" means balancing fuel economy and performance, then everyone buying a car has to agree on how much performance is "enough." Someone living in the flat Midwest would probably be satisfied with less performance than someone who lives in a mountainous area. ;-) SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > <snipped> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I guess that depends on one's definition of "better." Better for me would be a diesel engine with more torque and not horsepower. And since diesel have better fuel economy, make it RWD or AWD, perhaps on a Solara Convertible. > Even if "better" means balancing fuel economy and performance, then everyone > buying a car has to agree on how much performance is "enough." Someone [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Ray O > (correct punctuation to reply) >> <snipped> >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > horsepower. And since diesel have better fuel economy, make it RWD or > AWD, perhaps on a Solara Convertible. I think we will start to see more diesel engines, particularly on European brands that have already developed diesels. I think the American public's last widespread experience with passenger car diesels were GM vehicles that were unfortunately not very durable. Once people accept that smaller diesels can be efficient, clean, and durable enough to justify the premium cost, they may start to sell in larger numbers. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > I think the American public's last widespread experience with passenger car > diesels were GM vehicles that were unfortunately not very durable. Once [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Ray O > (correct punctuation to reply) premium cost and higher cost of diesel fuel. In other countries, I believe diesel is more affordable than regular unleaded. >> My guess is that the most powerful FWD car, at least sold in the U.S., is >> the V8 Impala. [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Ed Holy horsepower Batman! I had no idea there were so many FWD vehicles with so much horsepower either! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) On Jan 29, 9:30 am, "C. E. White" <cewhi...@removemindspring.com> wrote: > > My guess is that the most powerful FWD car, at least sold in the > > U.S., is the V8 Impala. [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Ed + Mazda Speed 3 263Hp > > Mitsubishi Lancer - 295 Hp > > Nissan Altima - 270 Hp > > Nissan Maxima - 255 Hp > > Saab 9-3 - 280 Hp > > Saab 9-5 - 250 Hp Does anyone else find the numbers a bit odd? On Jan 31, 11:07 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Mitsubishi Lancer - 295 Hp > > > Nissan Altima - 270 Hp [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Does anyone else find the numbers a bit odd? Now that you mention it, Mitsubishi Lancer with that level of horsepower is only available on the Evolution models and are all rally inspired AWD, and not FWD. > On Jan 31, 11:07 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > horsepower is only available on the Evolution models and are all rally > inspired AWD, and not FWD. The Altima has more power than the Maxima? The 9-3 has more power than the 9-5? <snipped> >>> And Honda has to come up with a hybrid to compete with the Camry. They >>> do have a coupe which is winner by default =) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Ed I like the nose of the Accord Coupe but not the back end. The Solara needs a freshening, now that the Accord Coupe is out, the Solara will probably get a facelift. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > On Jan 24, 11:12 pm, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > And Honda has to come up with a hybrid to compete with the Camry. They > do have a coupe which is winner by default =) Yeah - they sport tuned their previous generation Accord Hybrid but it wasn't fuel efficient. I think that killed it. Their '04 & '05 tail lights were butt ugly, too. A friend said it looked like the lights from a Buick. Freshened for '06 & '07 but still not great. New Accords are too big.. More power from the same 2.4 engine and gas mileage goes down. What is Honda thinking?! (And this is coming from an Accord owner). -Dave > Their '04 & '05 tail > lights were butt ugly, too. A friend said it looked like the lights from a > Buick. He was 100% correct on THAT one. > New Accords are too > big.. More power from the same 2.4 engine and gas mileage goes down. What > is Honda thinking?! (And this is coming from an Accord owner). sigh. You aren't paying a BIT of attention to the EPA gas mileage ratings, are you. We'll be fighting this misperception for years. OK, here goes: the EPA reformulated how it figures gas mileage. As a result, the reported figures overall went down for 2008. That's right. Even for cars that stayed exactly the same between 07 and 08 showed 08 stickers with lower gas mileage figures. That the 08 Honda showed lower gas mileage isn't Honda's doing. It simply shows a different formulated number than it would have under the old formula, the one used in 07 and earlier. >> Just when Toyota thinks they dominated the sedan market with Camry, >> Honda comes out with the brand new Accord to make a challenge. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The rear tail lights > look like the tail lights from a 2000 Sable. The first time I saw the TV ad for the new 4 Door Accord, I thought it was a Saturn Aura, i.e., DULL. However, the new 2 Door Accord is very attractive. Unfortunately they must not be particularly eye catching - I don't recall seeing either a new 4 door or 2 door Accord on the local roads, but then it might be hard to pick them out when I am surrounded by thousands of Camrys. Ed <snippws> > I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The rear tail lights >> look like the tail lights from a 2000 Sable. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Ed Now that you mention it, the new 4 Dr. Accord and Saturn Aura do look very similar. There are a few Accords running around the northwest suburbs of Chicago, and one is parked in the lot at my office. I haven't seen any new Accord coupes, but from the photos on their web site, the nose looks like a Scion tC to me. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) |
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