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As industry retreated, so did Toyota's stock price

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C. E. White - 28 Jan 2008 13:57 GMT
As industry retreated, so did Toyota's stock price

Hans Greimel
Automotive News
January 28, 2008 - 12:01 am ET
Toyota's Watanabe: Toyota will eke out a 1 percent sales gain in North
America in 2008.

Something just doesn't add up when you look at Toyota's stock price.

It tumbled nonstop in 2007, losing nearly a quarter of its value.

But at the same time, Toyota was leaping from sales record to sales record
and booking record profits. It overtook Ford as the No. 2 automaker in the
United States and has pulled virtually even with General Motors in the race
for the world sales title.

To assuage investors, the company even raised its midterm dividend by 30
percent.

So what gives?

In 2007, it turns out, Toyota was largely a victim of forces beyond its
control: Widespread fear of a U.S. economic slowdown, the yen's rising value
against the dollar, a domestic auto market in steep decline, soaring
gasoline prices worldwide.

That all spooked investors not only away from Toyota but away from any
carmaker with big exposure to the United States or Japan. Like a ship on the
ebb tide, Toyota's stock retreated with the industry.

Time to buy?

But lots of financial analysts say that now might be the time to take
another look at Toyota shares.

"I think it's all an overreaction," says Tatsuo Yoshida, a Tokyo-based
analyst with UBS Warburg. "If you have a longer-term horizon, like a year or
more, it's a good time to accumulate."

He sees Toyota's shares rocketing by 80 percent to 8,900 ($83.86) in the
next 12 months. Just be wary over the first half-year or so as the U.S.
subprime loan problem shakes out, he warns. Toyota sells 35 percent of its
cars in North America.

Toyota President Katsuaki Watanabe isn't among the worrywarts.

U.S. slowdown or not, he says, Toyota still will outperform its rivals and
eke out a 1 percent sales gain to 2.64 million units in North America in
2008.
And the real Toyota bulls say the United States is beside the point. Factor
in the rest of the world, and Toyota is forecasting total sales to climb by
5.1 percent to 9.85 million units next year.

The bar goes higher still in 2009, to 10.4 million.

BRIC building

To get there, Toyota's not banking on the United States. Instead, it's
salivating over big-time growth potential in the so-called BRIC nations:
Brazil, Russia, India and China. In China alone, Toyota thinks it will hit 1
million vehicles a year by the early 2010s. That's up from around 400,000 in
2007.

In fact, analyst Takaki Nakanishi of JPMorgan predicts Toyota will dial down
its offerings in stagnating markets like the United States as it turns to
tantalizing growth potential elsewhere.

"Japan's automobile industry is set to see a reduction in its reliance on
the U.S., which has been the main source of expansion, and embark on its
second growth phase as companies achieve globalized earnings structures," he
wrote in a report issued this month.

Just look at Suzuki Motor Corp. It ranked fifth worldwide among automakers
in the Automotive News/PricewaterhouseCoopers Total Shareholder Return
rankings last year, way ahead of its Japanese compatriots. That was largely
thanks to Suzuki's unrelenting focus on India.

Yet global conquest raises its own red flags for Toyota.

Skeptics wonder whether the Japanese company can sustain expansion and
maintain quality.

New factory

The company just opened a factory in St. Petersburg, Russia, and is planning
two more in Woodstock, Ontario, and Blue Springs, Miss. Not only does that
raise the specter of overcapacity, but it also could stretch the company's
engineering and managerial resources dangerously thin.

Despite the potential quality problems, Koji Endo, an analyst with Credit
Suisse in Tokyo, has a "buy" rating on Toyota, with a lofty target of 10,000
($95.23).

The catch: a three-year time frame. And it's anybody's guess when the buying
will begin.

"Personally, I think the downside is very limited," Endo says. "But how
cheap is cheap enough, we still don't know."
Scott in Florida - 29 Jan 2008 00:53 GMT
>As industry retreated, so did Toyota's stock price

Oh profit of doom....

From Yahoo Finance today...

GM   26.53

1 year stock price chart

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=GM&t=1y
             

TM  (Toyota)  102.20

1 year stock price

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=TM&t=1y


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JoeSpareBedroom - 29 Jan 2008 02:14 GMT
> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:58:05 -0500, "C. E. White"
> <cewhite3@mindspring.com>
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>
> Oh profit of doom....

Nothing in the article suggested "profit of doom". Nothing. Nada.
Scott in Florida - 29 Jan 2008 02:30 GMT
>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:58:05 -0500, "C. E. White"
>> <cewhite3@mindspring.com>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Nothing in the article suggested "profit of doom". Nothing. Nada.

Please pay attention.  I know it is hard for you, but try....

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JoeSpareBedroom - 29 Jan 2008 02:39 GMT
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:14:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> <dishborealis@yahoo.com>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Please pay attention.  I know it is hard for you, but try....

Find two examples of "profit of doom" in the article. Copy & paste your
evidence in your next response.
Scott in Florida - 29 Jan 2008 03:18 GMT
>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:14:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
>> <dishborealis@yahoo.com>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>Find two examples of "profit of doom" in the article. Copy & paste your
>evidence in your next response.

Obviously you didn't pay attention, but that isn't anything new....

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JoeSpareBedroom - 29 Jan 2008 03:35 GMT
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:39:08 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> <dishborealis@yahoo.com>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Obviously you didn't pay attention, but that isn't anything new....

The story is about a company shifting some of its focus to what it believes
will be stronger markets in the future. What's interesting is that you agree
with them, but you don't know it at the moment.
Charles Pisano - 29 Jan 2008 04:00 GMT
Re: As industry retreated, so did Toyota's stock price  

Group: alt.autos.toyota Date: Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 3:35am (EST+5) From:
dishborealis@yahoo.com (JoeSpareBedroom)
"Scott in Florida" <JustAskl@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:on6tp35ema9mv1nbsievig5rdp41tl4t9q@4ax.com...
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:39:08 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
<dishborealis@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <JustAskl@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:mt3tp3tjsmg6vej8b6sfcid8s6ui3okjl6@4ax.com...
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:14:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
<dishborealis@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <JustAskl@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vvtsp35mlo27jn2r8ji0ao2la3g4bn0vdh@4ax.com...
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:58:05 -0500, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3@mindspring.com>
wrote:
As industry retreated, so did Toyota's stock price
Oh profit of doom....
Nothing in the article suggested "profit of doom". Nothing. Nada.
Please pay attention. I know it is hard for you, but try....
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Scott in Florida
Find two examples of "profit of doom" in the article. Copy & paste your
evidence in your next response.
Obviously you didn't pay attention, but that isn't anything new....
--
Scott in Florida
The story is about a company shifting some of its focus to what it
believes will be stronger markets in the future. What's interesting is
that you agree with them, but you don't know it at the moment.

============

Ok... you 2 need to have sex and get it over with .. Come on, you know
you want to..

Scott in Florida - 29 Jan 2008 04:16 GMT
>Ok... you 2 need to have sex and get it over with .. Come on, you know
>you want to..

LOL....

Actually all Joey needs to do is pay his debt and I'll leave him alone.

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Scott in  Florida

JoeSpareBedroom - 29 Jan 2008 04:17 GMT
>>Ok... you 2 need to have sex and get it over with .. Come on, you know
>>you want to..
>
> LOL....
>
> Actually all Joey needs to do is pay his debt and I'll leave him alone.

The story is about a company shifting some of its focus to what it
believes will be stronger markets in the future. What's interesting is
that you agree with them, but you don't know it at the moment.
beerspill@whoever.com - 29 Jan 2008 07:14 GMT
> Actually all Joey needs to do is pay his debt and I'll leave him alone.

Get your head out of your a.s and come up with a new joke.
C. E. White - 29 Jan 2008 20:33 GMT
> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:58:05 -0500, "C. E. White"
> <cewhite3@mindspring.com>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=TM&t=1y

What I got from the article is that Toyota stock is undervalued, because of
general weakness in the automotive industry. It suggested to me that it
might be a good time to buy Toyota stock. I hardly looked at it as a prophet
of doom article.

Ed
JoeSpareBedroom - 29 Jan 2008 20:34 GMT
>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:58:05 -0500, "C. E. White"
>> <cewhite3@mindspring.com>
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>
> Ed

That's because you are not an idiot.
Scott in Florida - 29 Jan 2008 20:39 GMT
>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:58:05 -0500, "C. E. White"
>> <cewhite3@mindspring.com>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
>Ed

Neither did I.

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Scott in  Florida

JoeSpareBedroom - 29 Jan 2008 20:41 GMT
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:33:16 -0500, "C. E. White"
> <cewhite3@mindspring.com>
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>
> Neither did I.

Really? The other Scott from Florida typed this in response to Mr. White's
original post:

>As industry retreated, so did Toyota's stock price

Oh profit of doom....
Scott in Florida - 29 Jan 2008 20:42 GMT
>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:33:16 -0500, "C. E. White"
>> <cewhite3@mindspring.com>
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
>
>Oh profit of doom....

I know your IQ is below average....but please pay attention.

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Scott in  Florida

JoeSpareBedroom - 29 Jan 2008 20:47 GMT
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:41:21 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> <dishborealis@yahoo.com>
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
>
> I know your IQ is below average....but please pay attention.

What did you mean, then, when you typed the words "Oh profit of doom"? The
article made it pretty clear that the stock did not reflect the positive
financial situation of the company, so any mention of "profit" was largely
irrelevant to the word "doom".

I know you meant it as a play on words, but it didn't work very well.
Scott in Florida - 29 Jan 2008 21:00 GMT
>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:41:21 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
>> <dishborealis@yahoo.com>
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
>
>I know you meant it as a play on words, but it didn't work very well.

I know this is quite hard for you, Joey.....

but think......

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Scott in  Florida

Ed White - 30 Jan 2008 04:24 GMT
>>I know you meant it as a play on words, but it didn't work very well.
>
> I know this is quite hard for you, Joey.....
>
> but think......

A clever play on words isn't so clever if you are the only one who thinks
it's clever. While I agree that you can profit from the current under
valuation of Toyota Stock, I am not sure where the doom part comes in. In
fact, I think the article was the opposite of "doom."  If anything it was
the sort of article that should prompt people to buy Toyota stock. By the
way, if you wanted to make money on auto stocks this week, Ford was the
better play - up over 12% in one week. I am not sure why, as far as I can
tell things aren't noticeably better for Ford today than they were last
week. But then, I never really have understood the stock market.

Ed
 
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