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As industry retreated, so did Toyota's stock price
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C. E. White - 28 Jan 2008 13:57 GMT As industry retreated, so did Toyota's stock price
Hans Greimel Automotive News January 28, 2008 - 12:01 am ET Toyota's Watanabe: Toyota will eke out a 1 percent sales gain in North America in 2008.
Something just doesn't add up when you look at Toyota's stock price.
It tumbled nonstop in 2007, losing nearly a quarter of its value.
But at the same time, Toyota was leaping from sales record to sales record and booking record profits. It overtook Ford as the No. 2 automaker in the United States and has pulled virtually even with General Motors in the race for the world sales title.
To assuage investors, the company even raised its midterm dividend by 30 percent.
So what gives?
In 2007, it turns out, Toyota was largely a victim of forces beyond its control: Widespread fear of a U.S. economic slowdown, the yen's rising value against the dollar, a domestic auto market in steep decline, soaring gasoline prices worldwide.
That all spooked investors not only away from Toyota but away from any carmaker with big exposure to the United States or Japan. Like a ship on the ebb tide, Toyota's stock retreated with the industry.
Time to buy?
But lots of financial analysts say that now might be the time to take another look at Toyota shares.
"I think it's all an overreaction," says Tatsuo Yoshida, a Tokyo-based analyst with UBS Warburg. "If you have a longer-term horizon, like a year or more, it's a good time to accumulate."
He sees Toyota's shares rocketing by 80 percent to 8,900 ($83.86) in the next 12 months. Just be wary over the first half-year or so as the U.S. subprime loan problem shakes out, he warns. Toyota sells 35 percent of its cars in North America.
Toyota President Katsuaki Watanabe isn't among the worrywarts.
U.S. slowdown or not, he says, Toyota still will outperform its rivals and eke out a 1 percent sales gain to 2.64 million units in North America in 2008. And the real Toyota bulls say the United States is beside the point. Factor in the rest of the world, and Toyota is forecasting total sales to climb by 5.1 percent to 9.85 million units next year.
The bar goes higher still in 2009, to 10.4 million.
BRIC building
To get there, Toyota's not banking on the United States. Instead, it's salivating over big-time growth potential in the so-called BRIC nations: Brazil, Russia, India and China. In China alone, Toyota thinks it will hit 1 million vehicles a year by the early 2010s. That's up from around 400,000 in 2007.
In fact, analyst Takaki Nakanishi of JPMorgan predicts Toyota will dial down its offerings in stagnating markets like the United States as it turns to tantalizing growth potential elsewhere.
"Japan's automobile industry is set to see a reduction in its reliance on the U.S., which has been the main source of expansion, and embark on its second growth phase as companies achieve globalized earnings structures," he wrote in a report issued this month.
Just look at Suzuki Motor Corp. It ranked fifth worldwide among automakers in the Automotive News/PricewaterhouseCoopers Total Shareholder Return rankings last year, way ahead of its Japanese compatriots. That was largely thanks to Suzuki's unrelenting focus on India.
Yet global conquest raises its own red flags for Toyota.
Skeptics wonder whether the Japanese company can sustain expansion and maintain quality.
New factory
The company just opened a factory in St. Petersburg, Russia, and is planning two more in Woodstock, Ontario, and Blue Springs, Miss. Not only does that raise the specter of overcapacity, but it also could stretch the company's engineering and managerial resources dangerously thin.
Despite the potential quality problems, Koji Endo, an analyst with Credit Suisse in Tokyo, has a "buy" rating on Toyota, with a lofty target of 10,000 ($95.23).
The catch: a three-year time frame. And it's anybody's guess when the buying will begin.
"Personally, I think the downside is very limited," Endo says. "But how cheap is cheap enough, we still don't know."
Scott in Florida - 29 Jan 2008 00:53 GMT >As industry retreated, so did Toyota's stock price Oh profit of doom....
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JoeSpareBedroom - 29 Jan 2008 02:14 GMT > On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:58:05 -0500, "C. E. White" > <cewhite3@mindspring.com> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Oh profit of doom.... Nothing in the article suggested "profit of doom". Nothing. Nada.
Scott in Florida - 29 Jan 2008 02:30 GMT >> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:58:05 -0500, "C. E. White" >> <cewhite3@mindspring.com> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Nothing in the article suggested "profit of doom". Nothing. Nada. Please pay attention. I know it is hard for you, but try....
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JoeSpareBedroom - 29 Jan 2008 02:39 GMT > On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:14:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" > <dishborealis@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Please pay attention. I know it is hard for you, but try.... Find two examples of "profit of doom" in the article. Copy & paste your evidence in your next response.
Scott in Florida - 29 Jan 2008 03:18 GMT >> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:14:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" >> <dishborealis@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Find two examples of "profit of doom" in the article. Copy & paste your >evidence in your next response. Obviously you didn't pay attention, but that isn't anything new....
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JoeSpareBedroom - 29 Jan 2008 03:35 GMT > On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:39:08 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" > <dishborealis@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Obviously you didn't pay attention, but that isn't anything new.... The story is about a company shifting some of its focus to what it believes will be stronger markets in the future. What's interesting is that you agree with them, but you don't know it at the moment.
Charles Pisano - 29 Jan 2008 04:00 GMT Re: As industry retreated, so did Toyota's stock price Group: alt.autos.toyota Date: Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 3:35am (EST+5) From: dishborealis@yahoo.com (JoeSpareBedroom) "Scott in Florida" <JustAskl@verizon.net> wrote in message news:on6tp35ema9mv1nbsievig5rdp41tl4t9q@4ax.com... On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:39:08 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote: "Scott in Florida" <JustAskl@verizon.net> wrote in message news:mt3tp3tjsmg6vej8b6sfcid8s6ui3okjl6@4ax.com... On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:14:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote: "Scott in Florida" <JustAskl@verizon.net> wrote in message news:vvtsp35mlo27jn2r8ji0ao2la3g4bn0vdh@4ax.com... On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:58:05 -0500, "C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote: As industry retreated, so did Toyota's stock price Oh profit of doom.... Nothing in the article suggested "profit of doom". Nothing. Nada. Please pay attention. I know it is hard for you, but try....
 Signature Scott in Florida Find two examples of "profit of doom" in the article. Copy & paste your evidence in your next response. Obviously you didn't pay attention, but that isn't anything new.... -- Scott in Florida The story is about a company shifting some of its focus to what it believes will be stronger markets in the future. What's interesting is that you agree with them, but you don't know it at the moment.
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Ok... you 2 need to have sex and get it over with .. Come on, you know you want to..
Scott in Florida - 29 Jan 2008 04:16 GMT >Ok... you 2 need to have sex and get it over with .. Come on, you know >you want to.. LOL....
Actually all Joey needs to do is pay his debt and I'll leave him alone.
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JoeSpareBedroom - 29 Jan 2008 04:17 GMT >>Ok... you 2 need to have sex and get it over with .. Come on, you know >>you want to.. > > LOL.... > > Actually all Joey needs to do is pay his debt and I'll leave him alone. The story is about a company shifting some of its focus to what it believes will be stronger markets in the future. What's interesting is that you agree with them, but you don't know it at the moment.
beerspill@whoever.com - 29 Jan 2008 07:14 GMT > Actually all Joey needs to do is pay his debt and I'll leave him alone. Get your head out of your a.s and come up with a new joke.
C. E. White - 29 Jan 2008 20:33 GMT > On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:58:05 -0500, "C. E. White" > <cewhite3@mindspring.com> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=TM&t=1y What I got from the article is that Toyota stock is undervalued, because of general weakness in the automotive industry. It suggested to me that it might be a good time to buy Toyota stock. I hardly looked at it as a prophet of doom article.
Ed
JoeSpareBedroom - 29 Jan 2008 20:34 GMT >> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:58:05 -0500, "C. E. White" >> <cewhite3@mindspring.com> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Ed That's because you are not an idiot.
Scott in Florida - 29 Jan 2008 20:39 GMT >> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:58:05 -0500, "C. E. White" >> <cewhite3@mindspring.com> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >Ed Neither did I.
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JoeSpareBedroom - 29 Jan 2008 20:41 GMT > On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:33:16 -0500, "C. E. White" > <cewhite3@mindspring.com> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Neither did I. Really? The other Scott from Florida typed this in response to Mr. White's original post:
>As industry retreated, so did Toyota's stock price Oh profit of doom....
Scott in Florida - 29 Jan 2008 20:42 GMT >> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:33:16 -0500, "C. E. White" >> <cewhite3@mindspring.com> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > >Oh profit of doom.... I know your IQ is below average....but please pay attention.
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JoeSpareBedroom - 29 Jan 2008 20:47 GMT > On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:41:21 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" > <dishborealis@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > I know your IQ is below average....but please pay attention. What did you mean, then, when you typed the words "Oh profit of doom"? The article made it pretty clear that the stock did not reflect the positive financial situation of the company, so any mention of "profit" was largely irrelevant to the word "doom".
I know you meant it as a play on words, but it didn't work very well.
Scott in Florida - 29 Jan 2008 21:00 GMT >> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:41:21 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" >> <dishborealis@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > >I know you meant it as a play on words, but it didn't work very well. I know this is quite hard for you, Joey.....
but think......
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Ed White - 30 Jan 2008 04:24 GMT >>I know you meant it as a play on words, but it didn't work very well. > > I know this is quite hard for you, Joey..... > > but think...... A clever play on words isn't so clever if you are the only one who thinks it's clever. While I agree that you can profit from the current under valuation of Toyota Stock, I am not sure where the doom part comes in. In fact, I think the article was the opposite of "doom." If anything it was the sort of article that should prompt people to buy Toyota stock. By the way, if you wanted to make money on auto stocks this week, Ford was the better play - up over 12% in one week. I am not sure why, as far as I can tell things aren't noticeably better for Ford today than they were last week. But then, I never really have understood the stock market.
Ed
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