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President - Barack Obama VEEP - Chris Dodd US Attorney General - John Edwards Ed S. > President - Barack Obama > VEEP - Chris Dodd > US Attorney General - John Edwards > > Ed S. If those are his choices, that alone would be enough to know exactly what he's all about. > President - Barack Obama > VEEP - Chris Dodd > US Attorney General - John Edwards > > Ed S. Would these be your choices also? On Jan 31, 7:04 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote: > edspyhil...@yahoo.com, 1/30/2008,11:33:53 PM, wrote: > > President - Barack Obama [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Would these be your choices also? Department of Health & Human Services Oprah Winfrey =) On Jan 31, 7:04 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote: > edspyhil...@yahoo.com, 1/30/2008,11:33:53 PM, wrote: > > President - Barack Obama [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Would these be your choices also? My choice dropped out - John Edwards. BTW, Huckabee says things I agree with. I wish he would loose the evangelical bent. Evangelicals worry me because they want to meld religion & government. His idea of adding 2 lanes to I-95 from Maine to Florida to generate jobs makes much more sense than spending 150+ billion on a "Stimulous" package. I also liked what he had to say last night. Ed S. On Jan 31, 7:04 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote: > edspyhil...@yahoo.com, 1/30/2008,11:33:53 PM, wrote: > > President - Barack Obama [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Would these be your choices also? My choice dropped out - John Edwards. BTW, Huckabee says things I agree with. I wish he would loose the evangelical bent. Evangelicals worry me because they want to meld religion & government. His idea of adding 2 lanes to I-95 from Maine to Florida to generate jobs makes much more sense than spending 150+ billion on a "Stimulous" package. I also liked what he had to say last night. Ed S. ========================= I missed that highway idea. He really suggested the 2-lane thing? What a stupid friggin' idea, but not surprising for a guy who, like Bush, probably doesn't read much. > <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > What a stupid friggin' idea, but not surprising for a guy who, like Bush, > probably doesn't read much. His suggestion was to ADD 2 lanes to the existing lanes of I-95. Not a bad idea. I think public works programs are the way to go instead of giving everyone a feel-good check before the election. Ed S. > I think public works programs are the way to go instead of giving > everyone a feel-good check before the election. How do you feel about unnecessary public works programs. I.e., bridges and highways in areas very infrequent, if ever, travelled? Robert Byrd is the champion of that kind of pork. > On 2008-01-31 07:35:18 -0800, "edspyhil...@yahoo.com" > <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> said: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Robert Byrd is the champion of that kind of pork. All pork-barrel spending and all earmark spending should be in individual bills for each spending request. Stop the omnibus bills and hidden spending. Have public hearings so we can know who is spending money on bridges to nowhere and highways to areas owned by same politicians. I don't know what it will take short of a revolution to get congress's spending under control. It may be time for We The People to organize and force changes. As far apart as most of us here seem to be I bet we can find common ground on how to spend our taxes. While we are at it let's put the Iraq war spending into the budget. Ed S. > All pork-barrel spending and all earmark spending should be in > individual bills for each spending request. Stop the omnibus bills [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > While we are at it let's put the Iraq war spending into the budget. As long as we include entitlement spending, you've got a deal. The war is a wreck as it's currently being fought, but the money for it would not be driving our budget into the red IF tax dollars were not being spent incorrectly on pork and entitlements. On Jan 31, 10:37 am, witfal <nos...@all4.me> wrote: > On 2008-01-31 07:35:18 -0800, "edspyhil...@yahoo.com" > <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> said: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Robert Byrd is the champion of that kind of pork. All pork-barrel spending and all earmark spending should be in individual bills for each spending request. Stop the omnibus bills and hidden spending. Have public hearings so we can know who is spending money on bridges to nowhere and highways to areas owned by same politicians. I don't know what it will take short of a revolution to get congress's spending under control. It may be time for We The People to organize and force changes. As far apart as most of us here seem to be I bet we can find common ground on how to spend our taxes. While we are at it let's put the Iraq war spending into the budget. Ed S. =================== I'll add something which unfortunately will never happen: Make it legal for the NSA to monitor phone conversations and all financial transactions for one group of people: Politicians. A lot of these pork barrel projects are so nonsensical, there has to be monetary gain involved for the slimeballs who sponsor them. Let's find out. Related - do you enjoy vomiting? Enjoy this: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/us/15court.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin > Have public hearings so we can know who is > spending money on bridges to nowhere and highways > to areas owned by same politicians. Great idea, hiding the pork in plain sight where the public will ignore it Pay me the bribe, I mean contribution, on your way out. > > I think public works programs are the way to go instead of giving > > everyone a feel-good check before the election. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Robert Byrd is the champion of that kind of pork. Not really, because without those projects, there wouldn't be much in West Virginia. >> > I think public works programs are the way to go instead of giving >> > everyone a feel-good check before the election. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Not really, because without those projects, there wouldn't be much in > West Virginia. They all do it. Some of them do stupider things than others. For instance, Arlen Spector got lots of pork financing for a long list of organizations to teach abstinence. Of course, research is revealing that teaching abstinence doesn't work. While Virginia was cutting off public financing for abstinence programs, Spector was seeking more funding for the same thing. Have fun here. It's disgusting: http://earmarkwatch.org/ >>> I think public works programs are the way to go instead of giving >>> everyone a feel-good check before the election. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Not really, because without those projects, there wouldn't be much in > West Virginia. Pork is pork, regardless of the justification. > >>> I think public works programs are the way to go instead of giving > >>> everyone a feel-good check before the election. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Pork is pork, regardless of the justification. But not all government spending is pork, not even Robert Byrd's. >> Pork is pork, regardless of the justification. > > But not all government spending is pork, not even Robert Byrd's. Likely true. But in his case, you've got to swallow a very big oyster to find that very small pearl. > >>> I think public works programs are the way to go instead of giving > >>> everyone a feel-good check before the election. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Pork is pork, regardless of the justification. If McCain is president there will be an end to the pork and to moveon.org and their ilk. Count on it, but keep your hat on it, (don't tell the dims).  Signature"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton >> >>> I think public works programs are the way to go instead of giving >> >>> everyone a feel-good check before the election. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > moveon.org and their ilk. Count on it, but keep your hat on it, (don't > tell the dims). Why not tell the democrats? Are democrats the only legislators who play the earmark game? > >> >>> I think public works programs are the way to go instead of giving > >> >>> everyone a feel-good check before the election. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Why not tell the democrats? Are democrats the only legislators who play the > earmark game? No, but dimmies count on earmarks to hold power. Republicans count on earmarks to help people. Signature"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton >> >> >>> I think public works programs are the way to go instead of giving >> >> >>> everyone a feel-good check before the election. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > No, but dimmies count on earmarks to hold power. Republicans count on > earmarks to help people. Can you provide examples of each category of earmark? Here's a web site that will help make it easy: www.earmarkwatch.org > >> >> >>> I think public works programs are the way to go instead of giving > >> >> >>> everyone a feel-good check before the election. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > www.earmarkwatch.org The dimmies will do anything to gain power, over you. Keep that in mind. Signature"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton >> >> >> >>> I think public works programs are the way to go instead of >> >> >> >>> giving [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > The dimmies will do anything to gain power, over you. Keep that in > mind. That last statement does not address the myth you mentioned earlier, which remains a myth until you go to that web site and come up with specific examples of legislation which prove your point. > >> >> >> >>> I think public works programs are the way to go instead of > >> >> >> >>> giving [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > remains a myth until you go to that web site and come up with specific > examples of legislation which prove your point. Stand-by, I have a large fish on my hook and I'm reeling it in. It is fighting, but the hook is set really good. I don't think it will get away. Signature"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton >> >> >> > In article <fnten1$27a$1@news.albasani.net>, witfal >> >> >> > <nospam@all4.me> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > fighting, but the hook is set really good. I don't think it will get > away. No. What happened here is that you are drunk, and once again, you made a statement you can't back up with facts. > >> >> >> > In article <fnten1$27a$1@news.albasani.net>, witfal > >> >> >> > <nospam@all4.me> [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > No. What happened here is that you are drunk, and once again, you made a > statement you can't back up with facts. Don't drink, don't smoke. How about you? Signature"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton On Jan 31, 9:33 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborea...@yahoo.com> wrote: > <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > What a stupid friggin' idea, but not surprising for a guy who, like Bush, > probably doesn't read much. His suggestion was to ADD 2 lanes to the existing lanes of I-95. Not a bad idea. I think public works programs are the way to go instead of giving everyone a feel-good check before the election. Ed S. ==================== Just one problem: Widening highways often creates even more urban sprawl than we already have. It's a trend some city planners would love to put a stop to. > <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > than we already have. It's a trend some city planners would love to put a > stop to. Widening highways, building bridges, tunnels would generate jobs, lets hire more illegals to work on these projects. And to speed up the projects, They should get the guys responsible for the big dig in MA. >> <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > And to speed up the projects, They should get the guys responsible for > the big dig in MA. Such projects also generate an annuity for construction companies. Not only do they get contracts to build highways, but in many places, they get contracts to maintain them, pretty much forever. > Such projects also generate an annuity for construction companies. Not > only do they get contracts to build highways, but in many places, they get > contracts to maintain them, pretty much forever. More multi-multi-multi lane highways is just what we DON'T need. It only allows longer and longer commutes. I used to think it was only Southern California that was so afflicted, but it's now nation wide, in and near any and every largish city. People want to live in a nice roomy affordable area, but work "downtown" so they drive 50-60-70 and more miles each way to reach their workplace. It wastes fuel, time and the energy of the workers beyond reason to make these long drives each way, and soon the desirable home people wanted now seems like an unfulfilled dream, since the workers are so tired from their two or three hours' commute each day that they simply fall into bed exhausted. I think about all the millions of gasoline wasted daily in this endeavor, the cars, old beyond their years because the owners are putting 2000 or 3000 miles a month on them, the total waste of time doing this, and making people old before their time. How about taking an example from Europe and Japan, and constructing modern rail systems instead, if indeed we cannot do the social engineering necessary to get these millions of workers closer to their occupations? Our public transportation systems are in most cases are so out of date that calling them merely "obsolete" doesn't half describe them. >> Such projects also generate an annuity for construction companies. Not >> only do they get contracts to build highways, but in many places, they >> get contracts to maintain them, pretty much forever. > More multi-multi-multi lane highways is just what we DON'T need. It only > allows longer and longer commutes. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Our public transportation systems are in most cases are so out of date > that calling them merely "obsolete" doesn't half describe them. Thousands of people commute via train between Manhattan and Westchester or Connecticut, but that works because the rail lines were in place before available land became occupied & scarce. The system works very nicely. To create the same thing in some other cities would involve quite a contentious process. I think it should go ahead anyway, but not many people agree. You've probably seen all the negative remarks made about mass transportation in this newsgroup. >> Such projects also generate an annuity for construction companies. Not >> only do they get contracts to build highways, but in many places, they [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Our public transportation systems are in most cases are so out of date > that calling them merely "obsolete" doesn't half describe them. Interesting links here: http://www.sierraclub.org/sprawl/transportation/index.asp On Jan 31, 7:04 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote: > edspyhil...@yahoo.com, 1/30/2008,11:33:53 PM, wrote: > > President - Barack Obama [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Would these be your choices also? My choice dropped out - John Edwards. BTW, Huckabee says things I agree with. I wish he would loose the evangelical bent. Evangelicals worry me because they want to meld religion & government. `````````````````` These last two sentences: exactly my thoughts. Cathy ``````````````````````` His idea of adding 2 lanes to I-95 from Maine to Florida to generate jobs makes much more sense than spending 150+ billion on a "Stimulous" package. I also liked what he had to say last night. Ed S. Sounds simple, until they would try to do it. In the first place 150 billion would not get in done, in a few states, let alone all of its length. Secondly current environmental law would not ALLOW it to happen. It took nearly twenty years and 15 billions in nineteen eighties dollars, to build 20 miles of I-476 from the PA Turnpike to I-95 because of the environuts changing the laws, after the Interstate system started in the fifties LOL > BTW, Huckabee says things I agree with. I wish he would loose the > evangelical bent. Evangelicals worry me because they want to meld [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Ed S. > Sounds simple, until they would try to do it. In the first place 150 > billion would not get in done, in a few states, let alone all of its length. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > - Show quoted text - It wasn't environuts that held up the Blue Route, I-476, it was landowners not wanting to give up their property to imminent domain. We almost got the "202 Bypass" here but people in 2 townships stopped the project because they were afraid of brown people getting off the new highway in their backyards. But of course they used environmental arguments even though the leaders and citizens of both townships are republican to the core. Ed S. That may be but it was primarily the new case law environmental restrictions, as set by the courts to settle suits against the EPA, that lead to changes in the federal interstate construction regulations the allowed for sharper turns and allowed compound curves, sound barriers as well as steeper grades and few lanes of traffic, all in efforts to lessening, the so called light, noise and air pollution, that now are the criteria for all roads in Pennsylvania and future Interstate highways. In addition we have wet land and species "preservation" to contend with, something that were not there in the fifties sixties I doubt if we could afford to build the current system with the currently overly restrictive laws. It is a matter of record that the last of the interstates cost five times as much in inflation adjusted dollars, per mile to build I can only imagine what will happen when we try to build a hydrogen distribution system throughout the country LOL On Feb 1, 11:56 am, "Mike hunt" <mikehun...@lycos.com> wrote: > Sounds simple, until they would try to do it. In the first place 150 > billion would not get in done, in a few states, let alone all of its [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > changing the laws, after the Interstate system started in the fifties > LOL > > His idea of adding 2 lanes to I-95 from Maine > > to Florida to generate jobs makes much more sense than spending 150+ [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > - Show quoted text - It wasn't environuts that held up the Blue Route, I-476, it was landowners not wanting to give up their property to imminent domain. We almost got the "202 Bypass" here but people in 2 townships stopped the project because they were afraid of brown people getting off the new highway in their backyards. But of course they used environmental arguments even though the leaders and citizens of both townships are republican to the core. Ed S. > That may be but it was primarily the new case law environmental > restrictions, as set by the courts to settle suits against the EPA, that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > addition we have wet land and species "preservation" to contend with, > something that were not there in the fifties sixties I am grateful that we have these regulations that protect both animals and plants. As you may recall, the Philadelphia Zoo animals had lead poisoning from all the lead in the air from the Skulkill Expressway (route 76) in the '70s. In addition, these regulations protect the quality of life for the people who live near the highways. These are often people who lived near where the highway and moved in before the highway was built. The wetlands are what help filter our water and help prevent flooding. Again, I am grateful to the government for protecting us and other life forms. > I doubt if we could afford to build the current system with the currently > overly restrictive laws. It is a matter of record that the last of the > interstates cost five times as much in inflation adjusted dollars, per mile > to build Some of them were in congested areas, like route 676 (the Vine St. Expressway) which is right next to the Art Museum, Philadelphia Public Library, a Hospital and Medical school, the Franklin Institute, a cathedral, a high school, and in the middle of an urban area. It also involved at least one suspension bridge. The costs of building 476 included rerouting other highways and buying land, something that has also gone up, especially as more and more areas were settled and developed. > I can only imagine what will happen when we try to build a hydrogen > distribution system throughout the country LOL Hopefully, someone will realize that hydrogen as a fuel source is idiotic, because of all the CO2 that goes into the atmosphere when one generates H2 from methane, and put a stop to it. > On Feb 1, 11:56 am, "Mike hunt" <mikehun...@lycos.com> wrote: >> Sounds simple, until they would try to do it. In the first place 150 [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Ed S. We are glad you are greateful. Once again you prove you like to pick out a part of a thread so you can comment on every subject, since what you like has nothing to do with the point that adding two lanes to I-95 will likely never happen with laws in place today LOL >> That may be but it was primarily the new case law environmental >> restrictions, as set by the courts to settle suits against the EPA, that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> In addition we have wet land and species "preservation" to contend with, >> something that were not there in the fifties sixties . >> I doubt if we could afford to build the current system with the currently >> overly restrictive laws. It is a matter of record that the last of the >> interstates cost five times as much in inflation adjusted dollars, per >> mile to build> . >> I can only imagine what will happen when we try to build a hydrogen >> distribution system throughout the country LOL > I am grateful that we have these regulations that protect both animals and > plants. . > The wetlands are what help filter our water and help prevent flooding. > Again, I am grateful to the government for protecting us and other life > forms > Hopefully, someone will realize that hydrogen as a fuel source is idiotic, > because of all the CO2 that goes into the atmosphere when one generates H2 [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >>>> billion on a "Stimulous" package. I also liked what he had to say >>>> last night. >>> That may be but it was primarily the new case law environmental >>> restrictions, as set by the courts to settle suits against the EPA, that [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >>>>> billion on a "Stimulous" package. I also liked what he had to say >>>>> last night. > We are glad you are greateful. Once again you prove you like to pick out > a part of a thread so you can comment on every subject, since what you > like has nothing to do with the point that adding two lanes to I-95 will > likely never happen with laws in place today LOL greateful??? > That may be but it was primarily the new case law environmental > restrictions, as set by the courts to settle suits against the EPA, that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > addition we have wet land and species "preservation" to contend with, > something that were not there in the fifties sixties You just mentioned a list of fantastically positive improvements in the way we build highways. For people who'd prefer to live in a place where nothing much changes as the decades pass, there's Russia. It appears our friend Jeff was the not the only one for whom the comment, that we could not add two laines to I-95 under current law, went over their head LOL >> That may be but it was primarily the new case law environmental >> restrictions, as set by the courts to settle suits against the EPA, that [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > way we build highways. For people who'd prefer to live in a place where > nothing much changes as the decades pass, there's Russia. >>> That may be but it was primarily the new case law environmental >>> restrictions, as set by the courts to settle suits against the EPA, that [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> way we build highways. For people who'd prefer to live in a place where >> nothing much changes as the decades pass, there's Russia. > It appears our friend Jeff was the not the only one for whom the comment, > that we could not add two laines to I-95 under current law, went over > their head LOL Maybe you're right. 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